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- 🎬 In this FilmSpeak video essay we discuss wha Joker 2 is REALLY about. We also discuss why the Joker 2 trailer is EVERYTHING in this Joker Folie a Deux trailer breakdown and analysis and Joker 2 trailer review.
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Our first look at Todd Phillips’ new film Joker Folie à deux or Joker 2 here, and boy does it look like something! It’s crazy how the rumor that this was going to be a musical was actually true and they’re beautifully leaning into that aesthetic. For better or worse, in my case for better, the Joker movies are ones that really wear their influences on their sleeve, and having the visuals of a classic Hollywood musical fill the screen but like…Jokerfied makes for something fun and exciting, like this weird 70s pastiche crossed with La La Land or as the internet has already dubbed it: “Ha Ha Land.” Director of Photography Lawrence Sher continues to be the MVP of these films (along with presumably Hildur G and her haunting music) filling the frames with striking visuals and allowing the grime and grandeur of this world to seep through the screen. The cinematography, score, and Joaquin Phoenix's unsettling performance worked in unison to carry the first Joker film all the way to the Oscars and presumably, Warner Bros. has the confidence to believe they can do it again with Joker 2 and based on the trailer…there’s no reason to think otherwise seeing as I’m already more in on this wild swing for the fences take on the clown prince of crime than I was in 2019!
Not only are we getting the first non Margot Robbie Harley Quinn with Lady Gaga Harley Quinn, but Folie à deux looks to be the bold, weird, inspired kind of filmmaking I crave from the comic book movie genre. Who knows if we’re going to cap the series at two or if we’re going to get a third Joker movie about him finally meeting Batman? The chronology of this world is insane, but it could still be something interesting, and with a clear vision at the helm, I’m excited to see what Joker Folie à deux has in store for us. Who knows? Maybe it’ll put a smile on our faces.
Griffin (@griffschiller) gives you his Joker 2 trailer reaction, Joker 2 trailer explained, Joker 2 theories, Joker 2 easter eggs video and Joker Folie a Deux trailer review as he breaks down and explains what audiences can expect from the new Joker movie and Batman spinoff. Enjoy this, Joker video essay joker folie a deux!
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Joker 2 is the direct sequel to the 2019 film Joker. Joaquin Phoenix reprises his role as the DC Comics character, the Joker, and Lady Gaga plays Harley Quinn. Zazie Beetz also reprises her role from the first film, while Brendan Gleeson and Catherine Keener join the cast in undisclosed roles. The film is directed by Todd Phillips, who also co-wrote the screenplay with Scott Silver.
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What did YOU think of the Joker 2 trailer?🃏 Did it win you over are you still confused why we need a Joker 2? Comment below!💥
Bonnie and Clyde meets Psycho... It feels unsettling.
Another example of why DC is better than Marvel
@@taykitrleevitt4314 I'm pretty sure that Joker and Harley were actually loosely based on Bonnie and Clyde
I loathe any person pondering why we ever "need" a movie. The studio needs it to make more money, and we want it to be entertained. It's no deeper than that.
The idea of undercover nurse is interesting. Maybe an undercover processor assistant as a way to prove he isn't crazy?
It was the lipstick and smile at the end for me. That was a brilliant moment that just clicked in my brain.
Yeah it's so good! Love it
I dont know why but that scene kinda made me tear up, made me feel that i am not alone and i felt hopeful.. I dont know if it makes any sense or not
Yeah, that shot was the shit. However, when Harley does the whole gun to the head schtick, the look on her face removed any and all doubt.
This could be Mad Love, or a Bad Romance
well played, well played.
“Want your bad romance”
You deserve a like
@@FilmSpeak well played bc you can't read her joker face
Rarara ramama
I was skeptical about a musical Joker film or comic book film in general. However, this trailer sold me that this film is in good hands and everyone is bringing it. In fact, using the musical as a means to portray the themes set up by the first film feels right.
I'm still skeptical. I hate musicals. the trailer looks good and I hope it is good but I'm still skeptical
I was skeptical of the Joker sequel *until* I found out it would be a musical.
I cant stand musicals. I read that this won't truly be a musical... but im still disappointed by this. I absolutely loved Joker. But I might skip this one
@@YoBrand15deadass, made him some dude who just sings now and shit
I was really skeptical at first as well, almost bashing it at points. Then I saw the first trailer and must’ve rewatched it 10 times since. I really like the tone of the trailer. I’m hoping it lives up to the hype of the trailer because, it really got me excited about the movie again.
The original Joker movie broke modern Hollywood.
People certainly got weirdly paranoid!
@@FilmSpeak I hate the fact , Todd Philips chose to make this film a musical ... No one asked for that, It would have been great to have a film, like the first Joker (which wasn't a Musical) to star an older Bruce Wayne but keep Harley Quinn in the storyline
@@michaelhawkins7389 to have an older Bruce Wayne, Joker would probably be dead, or over 120 years old, since Wayne was a little boy in the first film.
While I agree, I cannot express clearly with words just how much I hate that expression
@@michaelhawkins7389making it a musical was a stroke of genius
People should remember that South Park’s first movie was a musical, probably more of a musical than this will be, and it did just fine and is still reviewed favourably. This looks like one of the rare cases where the musical elements are just as much a character as Arthur, not just randomly bursting into song and dance cause they’re happy or sad.
Exactly
I just can't agree with this. Joker didn't even need a "sequel" but I was excited for the possibility. Hearing it has musical elements... kills my excitement. It just doesn't fit imo, especially since we already got a fantastic Joker movie. Idk it seems I'm in the minority but the teaser made me way less excited
@@YoBrand15 you don’t have to “agree” with it. It’s an opinion, you’re more than welcome to your own and not going to the movie cause it isn’t your cup of tea. From my point of view, I trust Joaquin Phoenix and his choice in the roles he takes. He’s one of the rare actors up there with DDL where you know the movie is going to be Oscar nominated if his name is just attached to it, and he’s been clear that he wouldn’t return for a sequel unless the story had to be told.
@mesadrums375 No I know, I was just providing my own opinion. Phoenix is my favorite actor so I agree with that.
To be fair, South Park had all original music. This will be a jukebox musical, so it’s a little different.
My Thought's: Harleen is an actual doctor, and the experiment is sharing the world views of Arthur Fleck and the musical element stuff, is Arthur feeling that he's absolutely sharing a common love with the perfect woman, but the entire film is just a psyche evaluation of his fragmented mind.
From rumors. I wasn't interested in a sequel. Now seeing the trailer. I'm all in and plan to see the movie. Job well done. Will it be good? Who knows. Hopefully its beats any exceptions. Like everyone. That final shot was great.
Thanks man! Loved the final shot! The perfect hook for a film like this.
She’s not a hallucination. She can’t be because Harley and Arthur have the psychiatric disorder “Folie a deux” which is when two people share a hallucination (real disorder).
One person can’t have that disorder, you need two. Harley also has scenes alone, so that’s another reason she’s real.
For some reason I don’t think this is gonna be a musical in the sense that people are thinking, I’d guess the music will be used to show their dive into madness
That last shot in the trailer sold me.
The concept of a musical style movie fits with the unpredictable nature of the Joker, and the fact it uses a song like the one in the trailer shows how much of a dark and sinister sense of humor is involved in even creating the concept. This shit is art!!
Exactly! With how much he danced in the first one, now we get to see what's going on in that head of his.
Music is so structured it has its own language.
Quick theory: Joker sees harley for the first time, creates this entire world of a romantical sort of mad love where, Harley is head of heels in love with him, and becomes the person who helps him in his trial, and in the end it's shown to us that it was all completely fabricated in the jokers mind, and the movie end on the final shot of Dr. Harleen Quinzel speaking to the joker saying that she wants to see the real him (because if you focus on the final shot, it almost looks like she's wearing a white lab coat in the two way mirror). This causes joker to laugh because he likely went though this entirely fabricated relationship that had it's ups and downs, and likely ended with him breaking up with Harley, only for the real Harley to seemingly validate his feels, though it's probably the real harley trying to understand the joker. Which will likely result in an off screen mad love plot that could lead into a third and final movie.
This Film looks like it’s gonna prove that Sequels can be better than the Original. I hope this movies ends up being a “Tragic Love Story”.
There are a few sequels arguably better than their predecessors. The Empire Strikes Back and The Godfather Part 2 are two that come to mind. But I didn't think Joker was good, and I have no interest in the sequel to it.
This teaser was absolutely stunning. Feels like an appropriate continuation of the story while doing some very fresh and original in the genre. That last shot was what its all about!! Love it. Cannot wait for October!
Harley: “I want to see the real you.” 💋 💄
Joker: 🤡
I've been excited for this movie since it's announcement two years ago. Sure, the musical aspect at first threw me off but I got over it because it can be good if done right. Then Lady Gaga was announced as Harley Quinn, never seen her act before and got me even more pumped for this movie. Then that trailer came. So hyped
imagine if todd took the offer of ceo of dc studios when pitched to him, instead of gunn.
I believe in Gunn. The Suicide Squad and GotG were great comic book movies. But I see where you are going.
Gunn, Mat Reeves, and Tod will save DC
Todd Philips is amazing for movies like this.. Not superhero movies. That's for Gunn
Gunn is amazing. His style PERFECTLY fits the DC they're trying to make. We have Reeves and Phillips for elseworlds stuff.
@@doc8013 yall are acting like i said gunns dcu will be bad or sum, i jus thought it would be intresting if the dcu had todds more cinematic, slow burn, visceral vibes to it
I REALLY hope that they pull a blade runner 2049 and rather than giving us answers as to what is real and what isn’t, they just create more questions about what we had seen previously
So excited to share in the psychosis with these two!
I wonder what other elseworld projects DC has planned. I'd love to see more ambitious directors have a go at it. Akin to what we're getting with Todd Phillips' Joker and Matt Reeves' The Batman.
I loved Joker ( 2019) and I'm looking forward to this sequel. ❤
Joker is to Harley Quinn like Werner Herzog is to Klaus Kinski, so I'm dying to see Joker part 2, which seems so good and bizarre. On other hand, I think Gaga is going to play a perfect Harley Quinn and Margot Robbie knows it as well, so good luck Lady Gaga.
Stefani is so sexy...shes a great actress 👍🏻 and Joaquin is absolutely brilliant. This trailer gave me the chills😅 I can't wait to see this. The teaser we saw, of Arthur laughing/crying in the rain, I bet that's the end of the film..I think Harley dies, Arthur gets caught and is back at Arkham where we see him crying/laughing in the rain because he's alone again. That laugh he does is the same type when he was reading those files about his mum and himself. It's the first thing that hit me when I first saw it.
I was thinking the same way, that this film is probably going to be better than the first one.
There is absolutely no way it will be better lol. Especially if it has musical elements. I'm actually surprised people are eating this teaser up honestly. Hopefully the actual trailer is better.
The end with the lipstick was cool though
@@YoBrand15 the whole point is to be surprised and shocked. This is exactly the vibes I’m getting from this trailer. The musical aspects look to elevate this film even more, the colors vibrancy, looks so bad ass !
@jesse1008 yeah I just dont see it that way lol. But hey it's just my bad taste I guess. I'm in the minority here.
@@YoBrand15 it’s all good 👍🏼
@@YoBrand15U know the most successful movie at Oscars is a musical right?
Joker was amazing. Masterpiece of a movie that some people still just don't get. Calling it "shallow" unfortunately fits into that group.
C’mon man, GaGa Land was RIGHT THERE😅
haha Gaga Land is also GREAT. The internet wasn't as clever sadly...
@@FilmSpeakFR i can't wait for this movie i just hope they won't do a Joker Trylogy like Sony did with Venom cause it doesn't need 3 part i think 2 will be enough to close Joker story but maybe Todd could make another R-rated movie about other DC villan maybe Two-Face that also will be in this Joker Universe that would be perfect
"Ha Ha Land" is better as its about the Joker and Harley not Gaga herself..
@@DrangusKahn Dude first wait for the movie then you can critycal
I will tell you that this has made me want to look forward to this year.
I think Harley will be the main antagonist if this story.
Arthur is too weak to think like a leader, so he could easily be manipulated by Harley. I think that it won't end happily, bc Arthur is too much guided by his emotions, while Harley seems like a cold manipulator who would like to take his place as a leader or maybe she wants to establishes a real big anarchy...
I wonder if this film will have that new dc elsewolrd logo James gunn was talking about in the film
well, dc studios is an actual thing now so i would assume so
Honestly I'm still very cautiously optimistic abut the sequel. I loved the first one for the performance from Joaquin and the depressing tone. I personally just hate musicals, but I think this one could win me over as long as the musical numbers are tied into the rest of the movie without being a jarring transition from the rest of the tone.
Yeah, I think “cautiously optimistic” is a perfect way of putting. The trailer looks really good! But, like you, I’m not the biggest fan of musicals. But if they pursue it in the way you described, I think we’re gonna get a good movie.
I really like the set of theories, that have just been mentioned.
My favorite part of the trailer was when Harley said, "I haven't done anything, just like my mother said in the Amazon, right before she died"
I am ten thousand percent here for it! LET’S GO!!!!
Ive heard alot of hate towards the first Joker movie recently. And I understand that I'm higher on that movie than most, I think it's maybe a top 5 comic book movie of all time. But even if I overrate it a little, y'all still hate on that movie too much.
I noticed the trailer makes it seem like Harley is the manipulator. She seems like the one who will be getting Arthur out of Arkham and abusing him and his mind.
I'm pumped. Something with true artistic vision and a confidence to try something bold and different. I find this to be VERY Joker, even more Joker than a movie that is drawing on direct cannon - which is not really cannon at all.
So freaking excited!!
I wouldn't be surprised that at the end of the movie he is just sitting behind bars and just created the entire movie in his head. I think we might see Bruce Wayne but not Batman it feels wrong that Batman would be in this world.
that's weak af since the hallucination twist was used in the first movie like this video says, but either way i guarantee todd phillips isn't *that* creatively lazy even though i can see where you're coming from. This isn't a dig at you im just responding to an ending like that so please don't take offense.
@@joeschmidt6597 Well i could be wrong but we will see at least 50% hallucination. She wearing a pretty dress and singing and him dancing won't be real.
I know visually this movie is gonna be stunning
Yeah, but if the characters or plot are lame, it doesn't mean much.
@@wet-readThat's like your opinion man, I think the characters and plot are amazing
@@norm-bb3bb
Of course. You are entitled to it. I'm just giving mine, the same as everyone else. I do wonder: have you seen Taxi Driver or The King of Comedy? Or both?
@@wet-read Yes, Taxi Driver is one of my favorite movies of all time
Last shot, Lipstick scene 😳
I could imagine Harley being real, but Arthur, thinking back on his delusion in the first movie, thinking at some point she's the same: All in his head. He might lash out at her as a result.
I think you got everything spot on 👏🏻
I have the feeling I'm going to cry at the end of this movie
This trailer, hot damn...I have a thing for a properly enticing movie preview, the cuts and chosen music, its a like a 2 minute music video/short story.
it's going to be like the upside down to Lala Land
gaga looks so good
8:43-9:09 time stamp: You have a very valid point! It would not surprise me if this was spot on once we see the film .
I liked your take of “One Flew Over The Cuckoo Nest by way of Fred Astaire” but I would consider this to be Natural Born Killers meets La La Land with a dash of Chicago.
I love the realism, cinematography and acting of the first movie so I’ll give it the 2nd one a chance. From what I’ve seen, it’s retaining the same aspects I loved about the first. I’ll definitely be watching
I thought the idea of the Joker 2 being a musical so off-putting until I saw the trailer and now I get it and I'm looking forward to it. I don't like musicals at all but I think this movie is going to do some kind of special with the concept like it's all going to be a part of their Madness and as long as it's something that enhances the story and not the whole movie I'll be happy with the musical part. But I really do hope this movie on a different note shows the Joker becoming more of a menace to society than just a crazy guy that's by himself
I really liked the Joker movie, especially because it was really not the Batman Joker and was meant to be a one off. Now it is supposed to be the Batman Joker. Nah,I think this is a big mistake. They should have done another Joker with a proper origin story
They better not shy away from how abusive Joker is! I am so happy we've reached a point where Harley is her own character (maybe even more popular than Joker) and not just the jokers girlfriend. Every story needs to show how this is not an ideal relationship. Otherwise, you're gonna get another Twilight situation. A bunch of people romancing abusive relationships.
The first film ticks the box of the unreliable narrator and the killing joke. It’s a perfect introduction for the character without Batman.
The next best thing was to introduce Harley Quinn and give him what he always wanted, someone who loves him and can make him feel whole again.
The next best step following this film would be Batman but 🤷🏼
(These films can be what Venom is but better)
All you have to do is make ANY damn movie with The Joker character in it nowadays, and WHOEVER portrays him will be acclaimed as a genius. (Well, maybe not Jared Leto.) Jack Nicholson, Heath Ledger, Joaquin Phoenix, all were acclaimed for their interpretations of the role.. It's almost de rigueur to praise any portrayal of The Joker. What does that say about the human psyche?
Joker and Harlequin! What a wonderful crazy match! Mari
9:46 Joker is crazy man, who would do that? Thinking your wbole life with a stranger 😂
Is it weird i want more joker films? Like maybe the next one is a heist movie and then IN THE 4th one we introduce BATMAN. But it’s a horror movie from POV of joker where he is just “living his perfect life” he finally has everything and there it is a horrifying bat figure and Joker can make out if he’s imagining it or it’s real and his obsession with the bat figure as he realises that it’s real, it’s someone just as crazy as him, a potential Partner or a crazy new obsession. Like Flirting with the ghost. It will give us chance to see batman from a POV of a criminal. Be scared of him. We’ve had too many versions of his pov at this point and more by the time, if and when this happens.
Todd Phillips "Joker" And Matt Reeves "the Batman" Series will Deconstruct Not just Comic Book Movies, but also Cinema, Hollywood and of course Maybe Disney.
The Batman will be a hallucination of Joker
GREAT video
Thank you! 😊
1:54 Friends of mine have named it La La Laugh
Haha that's awesome. There's so many play on titles with this one.
Who was the British guy who sold the script for the 2019 Joker movie to Todd Feldman?
i dont necessary want the sequel or joker 2 whatever but im not opposed to it either.. but when i hear its gonna be musical or at least that's what everyone said... im kinda curious because IF we get the sequel i want the sequel TO BE DIFFERENT. my guess is its not gonna be totally "Musical" like school of rock when every scene gonna have singing.. i got a feeling most of the scenes with music are gonna be something that’s happening inside their heads
I think this is gonna be pretty bad. The first Joker was AMAZING but I don't see them living up to that bar.
really enjoyed your take. friendly observation.... @ 6:36 swathes ≠ swaths
Everything about it looks amazing….except that it’s a musical 😢. I’ve got nothing against musicals , I just didn’t want that for a Joker sequel personally
I don't know why people are so against it . The Joker is a showman and he had countless musical numbers over the years especially from Mark Hamill's Joker
Either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the Vaudevillain.
Literally it repeats the same scenes. Wish it showed more variety like the ending.
the chaos in bliss is awesome cinematography , really excited for this , hopefully they dive deeper into mental illness on this one
Joaquin never misses.
This movie will have Harley as the unreliable narrator.
I could definitely see it!
10:11 Sounds like a Zack Snyder's Sucker Punch story :)
They are gonna double down on the shtick of the last movie and when you find out that when the credits roll in the second one that NONE of it was real and 100 percent in his head unlike the first one that actually had a few real moments back and forth, you're gonna realize why we don't do sequels anymore and we don't do good movies anymore.
How is the first film “shallow”
Its depiction of every subject matter is so surface-level and simple-minded that it's hard to be fully immersed in its world. Joaquin Phoenix is fantastic, so is the direction of photography, but Joker as a film is not particularly original or deep.
exactly this^ and I LIKE the first film! I just hope the sequel dives a bit deeper with the script this go around.
@@magicalex95 I still don’t get it - so with the mental health topic, how exactly are they supposed to go deeper? Like what are you expecting? They showed the impact that mental health issues has on a person, they showed the way people with mental health issues can be neglected & treated badly, they showed how it can stem from abuse and trauma etc. What more can they do in a 2 hour film for it not to be considered surface level?
@FlareDope There's no nuance to anything. Arthur gets bullied and discouraged by literally everyone he encounters whether they know of his condition or not. It's a lazy way to make us root for the main character by surrounding him only with even more terrible people than him. Plus the messaging gets kind of iffy by the end, since the director clearly glorifies Arthur's acts as freeing instead of, you know, completely insane. The last scene is a little too fun to watch, and it shouldn't.
@@magicalex95 And is that not realistic? People are shitty, and most were to Arthur. Though not everyone (the dwarf character was nice to him). Also we are watching the Joker. In the Joker’s mind it was freeing. The director doesn’t need to explain to us that killing is bad, it’s like expecting Rockstar to explain to everyone that slaughtering random people in GTA is bad - that’s obvious.
It's going to be the best ever!
nope it's going to be bad
I can see how a Batman with this Joker could fit perfectly. Batman would start to get all eyes and admiration on him which then makes Joker jealous and does crazy things to try and guide the people’s attention back to him. 🤷🏻♂️
Write Joker 3 please-
Imagine if Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker & Lady Gaga’s Harley Quinn appears in Robert Pattison’s The Batman Part 2. That would’ve been an amazing crossover.
I wonder if Bradley Cooper is coming back to produce Joker 2 (since he also directed the first film). This would be the 2nd time he works with Lady Gaga after directing, writing, producing & starting in A Star Is Born (also distributed by Warner Bros Pictures)
in pattinson batman they already have joker unfortunately
I also believe Harley Quinn in this version is also delusional in a way.
She fell in love with Joker, not with Arthur Fleck.
So in a way i do believe she will manipulate Arthur into becoming Joker.
She's obsessed with Joker. And the more she knows Arthur, the more she wants to bring out Joker.
When I saw the original movie I just had one though, it was perfect without another movie, and one year later here we go with this sh*t *ss musical
I wonder if Bruce Wayne is going to be in the movie. Does anyone have any insight if this may be possible?
Jest bardzo realny.
Can I get that thumbnail!!!
Coś w Tym jest.
Is Harley gonna be real? Or completely in aurthers head?
Harley could be the female interpretation of Arthur Fleck's personality disorder.
Anyone watch Chicago the musical?
You feel me?
It's litterally everything, the rest will be musicals
i believe on todd philips thats it!
It would suck if it was all hallucination. It’s a new perception, Harley/gaga is a main character that becomes more or less his equal, who allows him to shine.
Hallucination trope is the laziest and worst. It's a catch all for anything that didn't make sense because in an hallucination there are no laws of physics or anything.
One thing I've grown tired of seeing when it comes to this Joker is the fact peoplewabt him to face Batman, but they say he'd be elderly. Are people seriously forgetting that Joker was an adult who killed Bruce's parents in Batman '89???? He was much older than Bruce already! With that said, this film looks fucking fantastic!
MK Ultra Program!!!
Movie Characters = Multiple Personalities!!!
Joker = Joaquin Phoenix's Dark Alter Ego!!!
The movie isn’t even out yet
Where’s the GG Allin movie
Joker was one of my favorite movies. And although i wanted something different in Joker "2", this direction seems awful. I cant stand musicals so im biased... but still come on. The teaser makes me less excited to watch it, and i feel it wont really have a lot of significance like Joker did. I did read that its not truly a musical, so i really hope thats true.
If it were based on real life. Harley would use Joker as a pawn, manipulating things so that she could take his place. Be the new joker... or face of anarchy to look up to. Steal his role.
although overall i trust todd phillips, im still not buying Gaga as Harley Quinn or as Dr. Harleen Quinzel and her character in general. idk im just not stoked on her portrayal from set photos or the trailer, but either way i still think Joker 2 will be really good
Hate to be that guy but, deux is actually pronounced like “derr”
I can't get past the first minute. The "Joker" is too about the "Joker"?
A musical works perfectly for the Joker and I don’t think people get that. This is Todd Philips’ interpretation of the character and he’s very dramatic with the makeup on and he has constant delusions/hallucinations so who’s to say those moments don’t have music in them to amplify the situation. Don’t know about you guys but that’s my take
It's not HA HA Land, it's GAGA LAND!!!!
Wow I absolutely believed this will be complete garbage and will only damage the original, but your vision for the second part made me excited that this could be another masterpiece.