Oooh, we got some mentions of Iuz, that means we're edging ever so slightly closer to maybe one day doing an episode of Iggwilv The Witch Queen. You can do it guys, I believe in you!
Just discovered you Guys. Halaster Blackcloak, the Mad Mage would give Vecna a run for his Money. Halaster was Sent into hell to rescue Elmister by Mystra And Halaster was just wrecking infernal red dragons, Pit Friends And Other Devils.
@@belainegibsson.2082 not saying that i dont like it, is always good to know there is more cool stuff coming, just that im not that good at the waiting part
Awesome podcast! To me, the humor makes it much more fun and enjoyable. Also really grateful for the explanation of how Vecna returned to the fold. Honestly, D&D should have really really good movies
Food for thought, Vecna knew that Kas would betray him, and gave him a weapon capable of killing him because as a lich he wouldn't ascend after his ritual, it would fail due to his soul not going to the place it would need to after the ritual and just going back to the phylactery. Edit: my poor spelling.
Love this episode, cheers guys! I must admit I thought you would mention (especially when the Voldemort anagram was brought up) that Vecna is an anagram of Vance (Jack Vance), who had a huge influence on Gygax and D&D, most notably on the way magic is used (spell slots etc.) Had fun watching the episode, can't wait for a Planescape episode!
The rearrangement thought is accurate about the name of Vecna, but it’s an anagram of Jack Vance, the writer whose Magic system influenced Gygax’s / D&D’s spellcasting rules.
So we had a campaign 1-20 where at the end we had to bring Vecna down and kill him. To do that we ended up gathering the eye, hand, and the book of vile darkness to preform a ritual to weaken him and allow him to be killed. After attuning to them our Paladin used Ceremony to correct my alignment. It was rad.
One way to use the hand and/or eye of Vecna would be as a way to sort of hype up and connect big bads. The players encounter a nothic who reveals he once had this powerful artifact in the form of an eye or hand (maybe he names it, but reers to it by a specific esoteric title that no one really recognizes), but that it was stolen by this power hungry wizard or necromancer who the party later comes into conflict with. Maybe this was long ago and they are a lich now and this information is somehow important for figuring out how to beat this lich. Later the party battles this antagonist, and upon defeating him, before finishing him off the artifact decides it is done with him and absorbs them, taking their mind and knowledge back to Vecna, preventing the party from potentially interrogating them or whatever. Could be a neat way of building up to eventual conflict with Vecna himself as well.
2nd edition had 10th lvl spells. The book Spells and Magic calls them, true dweomers, and Darksun had them,but they were a combination of psionics and magic.
10:54 when you make the joke about the riddle of his name there's some truth there! Vecna is an anagram of Vance as in Jack Vance whom DnD owes a lot and has frequent homages too. Vecna being the most iconic.
Oooh. That gives me an idea. If it’s implied Vecna had a number of legendary lieutenants but we don’t know about all of them, what if Vecna did have about eighteen different “primarch” like figures? Some were loyal, some betrayed Vecna along with the totally-not-Horus figure of Kaas.
I have liked and commented! I continue to serve the dungeoncast! Even though they definitely have things that set them apart from one another, I find it interesting just how many similarities there are between vecna and orcus. Both started out as mere mortals, both worked there way up to becoming gods (albeit one going back to being a demonlord) both have domains over undeath, both are definitely not a people person so pretty anti social. Also now I really want a lady of pain episode. She sounds interesting. The way she was described in this episode really reminded me of asmo, both being very powerful on their own planes. I wonder who's more powerful both inside and outside of their respective planes of existence, probably asmo if I had to guess,
I actually came up with A) a campaign and B) a morally good character around Vecna and his hand/eye. The campaign is about this avatar of Vecna the player hear about but never see and are working to stop only to find out at the end it was actual one of the PCs the whole time ending the campaign in this big PVP battle. The character was a guy that was forcibly implanted with the hand and eye by a cult (not Vecna’s cult) experimenting with how to use Vecna’s artifacts without the drawbacks and the character is the success of that but escapes and has his left arm and eye sealed (yes he can still use the artifacts but he hates the thought of using them and would rather take them to his grave).
19:25 well gods get their power from street cred right? So maybe people just thought Vecna was so baddass, after pulling that stunt, that he got a bunch more worshippers .
Omg! Jessica Alba is Vecna! She was also in that movie idle hand! It’s a movie about an animated evil hand ! 🤯 I never knew she was also in a movie about using someone else’s eyes… secrets I wasn’t privy to… 😈 but now it all makes sense! 🤔
I think Iggwilv or Baba Yaga could give Vecna a run for his money. Acererak might be able to hold his own if he had to. Wait, now I have an idea for a campaign where those three plot together to overthrow Vecna while simultaneously plotting to overthrow each other. That's why I like watching you guys so much, you give me fun ideas for games while you talk about D&D lore.
El is the absolute best incarnation of what a Mage is supposed to be in any fantasy universe... At least, any Good/Heroic mage that is... LoL. Raist might have ultimately ended his journey with him making a great & heroic self sacrifice; yet you couldn't really say that he lived as a good or heroic person, except for that one time with that one gully dwarf chic, Bumpa I think was it's name.(Yeah, I call gully dwarfs "its", deal.) I would add Manshoon too the list as well... You seemingly simply cannot successfully slay that dude... Hell, his stasis contingency clones are spread over half the planes I bet. I don't know if Midnight fits into this particular discussion, she did start off as a mortal mage though before becoming Mystra, so maybe?
Kelbhen Blackstaff, Melkor for Lord of the Rings lore, definitly Raistlin and Elminster as you mentioned, and possibly the elder evils in Forgotten Realms.Also, question, wasn't he like Aceraks teacher?
Hello, I’m a time traveler from the year 2024. On May 21st of 2024, Wizards of The Coast will release a new campaign module called Vecna: Eve Of Ruin with A LOT more information about his Unholy Majesty Vecna
Vecna gave Kas a powerful sword but the sword goes inert when attacking Vecna. So when Kas turned on his master, Vecna decided to give Kas a hand in killing him and vowed to keep an eye on him.
Well if we're talking all settings, Rick from Rick and Morty could take pre-lich vecna. And before anyone says anything, how different is Rick from a wizard, REALLY.
Hey guys. I was researching for the next mtg set, Adventures in Forgotten Realms, and I found your vídeo. My Channel is in portuguese, however I'm an English teacher here in Brazil. And I would like to invite you guys record a vídeo talking about the possible Forgotten Realms cards would had in this set.
Vance did not work on D&D he was an author who wrote a fantasy novel series that inspired Gygax and the original team to use the magic system D&D has. It's why the magic system is called VANCIAN magic
Karsus. Creator of Carsus' Avatar (the name he gave the spell)/Karsus' Folly (what literally every other character calls it). He's the reason the spellplague happened in Forgotten Realms.
Karsus’ Avatar. Broke the weave, caused the fall of Netheril. Spellplague was caused by Cyric assassinating Mystra. My guy, research or have played the game.
@@robhoteling5552 while I thank you for telling me that my autocorrect screwed me over (an issue which I will fix shortly after posting this reply), you don't need to be a dick about it, let alone make assumptions about me based on a comment regarding the one character you're least likely to hear about unless you actually go to what's left of Netheril and actively seek out information behind what caused the Spell Plague, and even then WotC was quite specific about how the damage was only indirectly caused by Karsus' Folly (the name literally everyone other than Karsus himself calls the spell), as it convinced Mistral (the literal goddess of magic) to allow herself to be killed by Shar, and her death was what caused the damage to the Weave and by extension the Spell Plague, and by further extension the shift from 3.5e to the worst edition (as finding her reincarnation and said reincarnation taking up the mantle is what heals the damage and leads into 5e). Of course, there's still far better-written lore for characters who's active relevance lasts longer than just the transitional period between editions. For example: Mordenkainen, chaotic neutral wizard, creator of Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion and the character played by Gary Gygax himself (and canonically still messing around with the multiverse). -Drizzt, the first good Drow and creator of an archetype (canonically still alive, debuted in novels during the days when 2e was still current). -The Lady of Pain, de-facto ruler of Sigil, one of the few entities that will never get stats and a major force behind what is objectively the best written "edition changing" lore in the game's history (see: Die Vecna Die! and the ensuing shift from 2e to 3e). Unlike how the other settings were canonically untouched by the aftermath of Karsus' Avatar and thus needed a different explanation for the shift, the damage Vecna did to Sigil and the Lady of Pain healing that damage is going to effect every realm it's connected to, which would be all of them.
Krasus did not cause the Spell plague. Krasus killed the original goddess of magic Mystril ending the Netherese Empire. The new goddess of Magic Mystra prevented any spell above 9th level from being cast to prevent this from happening again. She was later killed by Helm who punched her to death during the Time of Troubles. Mystra and the other gods were made mortal except Helm who was left to guard the stairs to the heaven by the Over God Ao. She was replaced by a woman called Midnight who ascended as the new goddess of magic and took the name Mystra to not confuse the already established faith. This Mystra was killed by Cyric who was the god of murder and did what the god of murder does best and murdered Mystra. THIS is what caused the Spellplague of 4e NOT Krasus.
@@shinon748 wow, you really don't know your lore. 1) Mystra allowed herself killed by Cyric mere moments after Karsus cast Karsus's Avatar, and she allowed it to happen because she was the spell's target. 2) The spellcasting limit for mortals being 9th level was AFTER Mystra's death and replacement by Midnight, not beforehand. Karsus was to blame for BOTH, a fact that the sourcebooks go out of their way to make abundantly clear to be the case within the Forgotten Realms.ii If you'd done any research at all instead of just reading a frequently modified wiki entry, you'd know this.
@@robhoteling5552 and Cyric succeeded because Mystra LET him. And the reason Mystra let him was because she knew Karsus picked her for the target of his spell. His killing her even happened SECONDS after he cast it. Ergo Karsus's Avatar caused the spellplague, albeit indirectly You and Syris re the one who needs to either learn the lore or, for once in your lives, play with a DM that *does their research, and doesn't misrepresent the timeline of events* The spell didn't break the weave, Mystra's death broke the weave, as it was Karsus's spell binding him and her that made Mystra CHOOSE to die.
Nah, different worlds. Vecna and his empire are chronologically much older and from the world of Oerth (Greyhawk), while Karsus was from the end of the Netherese empire on Toril (The Forgotten Realms)
YES THE LADY OF PAIN!!!! PLEASE MAKE A EPISODE OF HER!!!!!!!!!!
Oooh, we got some mentions of Iuz, that means we're edging ever so slightly closer to maybe one day doing an episode of Iggwilv The Witch Queen. You can do it guys, I believe in you!
Just discovered you Guys. Halaster Blackcloak, the Mad Mage would give Vecna a run for his Money. Halaster was Sent into hell to rescue Elmister by Mystra And Halaster was just wrecking infernal red dragons, Pit Friends And Other Devils.
Halaster lost! He could not rescue Elminster, and both had to be rescued by Alassra Silverhand, aka THe Simbul, one of the 7 Sisters.
everytime you mention "X thing would provably get an episode later" im just like, "well, theres another topic i have to wait for"
I like it because it ensures the there'll always be content to look forward to.
@@belainegibsson.2082 not saying that i dont like it, is always good to know there is more cool stuff coming, just that im not that good at the waiting part
What's the name of the goddess that all about sharing knowedge
I come back to this one so often, this one is definitely one of my faves.
Awesome podcast!
To me, the humor makes it much more fun and enjoyable. Also really grateful for the explanation of how Vecna returned to the fold.
Honestly, D&D should have really really good movies
Wow Whoever Revamped those!! THOSE NEW THUMBNAILS ARE SERIOUSLY IMPRESSIVE.. Bravo My Dude.
Thank you!
Food for thought, Vecna knew that Kas would betray him, and gave him a weapon capable of killing him because as a lich he wouldn't ascend after his ritual, it would fail due to his soul not going to the place it would need to after the ritual and just going back to the phylactery.
Edit: my poor spelling.
Love this episode, cheers guys! I must admit I thought you would mention (especially when the Voldemort anagram was brought up) that Vecna is an anagram of Vance (Jack Vance), who had a huge influence on Gygax and D&D, most notably on the way magic is used (spell slots etc.)
Had fun watching the episode, can't wait for a Planescape episode!
The rearrangement thought is accurate about the name of Vecna, but it’s an anagram of Jack Vance, the writer whose Magic system influenced Gygax’s / D&D’s spellcasting rules.
So we had a campaign 1-20 where at the end we had to bring Vecna down and kill him. To do that we ended up gathering the eye, hand, and the book of vile darkness to preform a ritual to weaken him and allow him to be killed. After attuning to them our Paladin used Ceremony to correct my alignment. It was rad.
One way to use the hand and/or eye of Vecna would be as a way to sort of hype up and connect big bads.
The players encounter a nothic who reveals he once had this powerful artifact in the form of an eye or hand (maybe he names it, but reers to it by a specific esoteric title that no one really recognizes), but that it was stolen by this power hungry wizard or necromancer who the party later comes into conflict with. Maybe this was long ago and they are a lich now and this information is somehow important for figuring out how to beat this lich. Later the party battles this antagonist, and upon defeating him, before finishing him off the artifact decides it is done with him and absorbs them, taking their mind and knowledge back to Vecna, preventing the party from potentially interrogating them or whatever.
Could be a neat way of building up to eventual conflict with Vecna himself as well.
Vecna is like the doctor doom of DnD
Personally I think asmo is more doctor doom.
Nagash could take Vecna.
Also, I accidentally got a TPK by introducing the party to "The Head of Vecna".
Do you know who came first, Nagash or Vecna?
The greatest act of in-universe trolling in whole D&D - The HEAD of Vecna. thanks for mentioning it.
Nagash is just warhammer vecna
@@tobywri And like everything Warhammer, Nagash is Vecna on PCP.
I like the thumbnail I know you've been doing some of them like that for awhile but they always look so nice.
I like to believe with the Phylactery, that Vecna entrusted it to Kas, as his most trusted warrior
The bards of Vecna sing his song
"Am I evil" by "Diamond head and later covered by Metallica"
See also Evil by Mercyful Fate and Lich King by Lich King
Uhhh new thumbnail design? me likey!
The whole backlog of videos is getting them too. They're all very nice looking.
Love it guys. I look forward to these videos as much as I do the critical role series.
Vecna is not from Fleeth, he is from Flan. Fleeth was a notable kingdom for a time in Flan.
The thumb down is the Thumb of Vecna
2nd edition had 10th lvl spells. The book Spells and Magic calls them, true dweomers, and Darksun had them,but they were a combination of psionics and magic.
10:54 when you make the joke about the riddle of his name there's some truth there! Vecna is an anagram of Vance as in Jack Vance whom DnD owes a lot and has frequent homages too. Vecna being the most iconic.
Oh cool! Also, choice user name
If you rearrange the letters it's Vance as in Jack Vance who onspired the spell system
Lady of Pain sounds freaking awesome. You guys have promised easily another 400 episodes.
I sometimes think that Vecna’s fall was like if the Empire in Warhammer 40k was toppled.
Oooh. That gives me an idea. If it’s implied Vecna had a number of legendary lieutenants but we don’t know about all of them, what if Vecna did have about eighteen different “primarch” like figures? Some were loyal, some betrayed Vecna along with the totally-not-Horus figure of Kaas.
You should detail the books he appeared in that inspires Dnd
I have liked and commented! I continue to serve the dungeoncast!
Even though they definitely have things that set them apart from one another, I find it interesting just how many similarities there are between vecna and orcus. Both started out as mere mortals, both worked there way up to becoming gods (albeit one going back to being a demonlord) both have domains over undeath, both are definitely not a people person so pretty anti social.
Also now I really want a lady of pain episode. She sounds interesting. The way she was described in this episode really reminded me of asmo, both being very powerful on their own planes. I wonder who's more powerful both inside and outside of their respective planes of existence, probably asmo if I had to guess,
Ears go outside the hat my dude! lol Great video guys! Can't wait for the next one.
I actually came up with
A) a campaign and
B) a morally good character
around Vecna and his hand/eye.
The campaign is about this avatar of Vecna the player hear about but never see and are working to stop only to find out at the end it was actual one of the PCs the whole time ending the campaign in this big PVP battle. The character was a guy that was forcibly implanted with the hand and eye by a cult (not Vecna’s cult) experimenting with how to use Vecna’s artifacts without the drawbacks and the character is the success of that but escapes and has his left arm and eye sealed (yes he can still use the artifacts but he hates the thought of using them and would rather take them to his grave).
*Vecna comes home from work* "Oh sweet mail day! My eye is back, lets see what we got today!"
Good afternoon there's larloch, velsharoom.
I like the new thumbnail, almost scrolled past you which would have been a tragedy. Keep it up!
You guys are fountains of knowledge, holy hell. Where do you research this depth of lore? It can't just be rule books and monster manuals right?
19:25 well gods get their power from street cred right? So maybe people just thought Vecna was so baddass, after pulling that stunt, that he got a bunch more worshippers .
I can't wait for the vibrant victory of my viscous villain!
A serpent taught Vecna...
Vecna is Rathma!
Rathma is Vecna!
Einhorn is a MAN!!!
My money would always be on Raistlin Majere.
Possibly the only one capable of taking on the Lady of Pain directly. He'd still lose, but it would be a tough fight.
The Simbul could 6:51 give Vecna a run for his money in her heyday.
Omg! Jessica Alba is Vecna! She was also in that movie idle hand! It’s a movie about an animated evil hand ! 🤯 I never knew she was also in a movie about using someone else’s eyes… secrets I wasn’t privy to… 😈 but now it all makes sense! 🤔
I think Iggwilv or Baba Yaga could give Vecna a run for his money. Acererak might be able to hold his own if he had to. Wait, now I have an idea for a campaign where those three plot together to overthrow Vecna while simultaneously plotting to overthrow each other. That's why I like watching you guys so much, you give me fun ideas for games while you talk about D&D lore.
Acerak was actually a student of Vecna at one point, I guess it would be pretty interesting to see if the student has surpassed the teacher
Who's Iggwilv?
lol Goku in his fight with Frieza haymakered an energy blast that blew up a planet lll
Did he just question if goku could kick a submarine in half under water, when even kid goku is mountain buster level
Most powerful mortal lich? Larloch.
Great video guys! Love you both!!!!
Kas was his general.
Fistandantilus was a pretty BA lich himself. (Dragon lance)
Jessica Alba in Idle Hands, was her best movie.
You mentioned Ioun (subtitles pronounced it Ayan.) I can't find much information on the deity. It would be nice to have a video on her.
Book of vile darkness!!!!!
Evil Ryu: Finally a worthy Opponent!
Goku: Funny headband boi go boom
Here after getting his eye in my head in tonight's game session
El is the absolute best incarnation of what a Mage is supposed to be in any fantasy universe... At least, any Good/Heroic mage that is... LoL.
Raist might have ultimately ended his journey with him making a great & heroic self sacrifice; yet you couldn't really say that he lived as a good or heroic person, except for that one time with that one gully dwarf chic, Bumpa I think was it's name.(Yeah, I call gully dwarfs "its", deal.)
I would add Manshoon too the list as well... You seemingly simply cannot successfully slay that dude... Hell, his stasis contingency clones are spread over half the planes I bet.
I don't know if Midnight fits into this particular discussion, she did start off as a mortal mage though before becoming Mystra, so maybe?
PAAAAIIIIINNNNNN SPEAKSSS TO MEEE
My Yuan-ti 3rd lvl pact of the chain warlock, 17th lvl necromancer wizard with my wished intellect devourer familiar might give it a go.
Kelbhen Blackstaff, Melkor for Lord of the Rings lore, definitly Raistlin and Elminster as you mentioned, and possibly the elder evils in Forgotten Realms.Also, question, wasn't he like Aceraks teacher?
The cult of Vecna reminds me of Hollywood
The Grand Adventure: Advent of the Jerky Hand
Hello, I’m a time traveler from the year 2024. On May 21st of 2024, Wizards of The Coast will release a new campaign module called Vecna: Eve Of Ruin with A LOT more information about his Unholy Majesty Vecna
Vecna gave Kas a powerful sword but the sword goes inert when attacking Vecna. So when Kas turned on his master, Vecna decided to give Kas a hand in killing him and vowed to keep an eye on him.
Acererak?
Will: Vecna, the god of secrets....
Brian: Vecna, the god of....gossip?
Liches are my favourite
Well if we're talking all settings, Rick from Rick and Morty could take pre-lich vecna. And before anyone says anything, how different is Rick from a wizard, REALLY.
Hey guys. I was researching for the next mtg set, Adventures in Forgotten Realms, and I found your vídeo. My Channel is in portuguese, however I'm an English teacher here in Brazil. And I would like to invite you guys record a vídeo talking about the possible Forgotten Realms cards would had in this set.
Still waiting on that lady of pain episode, guys!
Raistlin forever!
Seeing some student becoming the teacher when discussing mortals-turned-gods
It's actually vance (vecna) a guy who worked on dnd
Vance did not work on D&D he was an author who wrote a fantasy novel series that inspired Gygax and the original team to use the magic system D&D has. It's why the magic system is called VANCIAN magic
Aye jiz varam vecna 🤘🤘🤘
Indeed :)
Indeed
Indeed, indeed...
Vecna? Vecyes!
Do *Helm*
how about the other great lich??? larloch??
Greyhawk is not the original setting that Gygex used to create the game. I'm pretty sure that's Mystara.
I'm probably way wrong but I always thought Vecna was from Earth.
Oerth* the planet Grayhawk is on
Karsus could definitely take on vecna. He’d just cast Karsus’ Avatar and instakill him
the favourite wizzo?
👉 Larloch!
The sword of Kaz devours the souls of the beings it slays so maybe Vecnas soul wasn't able to go back to his phylactery.
Ya boy Mordenkainen
Gygax didn't create the D20 system and Blackmoor predates Greyhawk. Other than that great episode.
Although Dave Arneson created Blackmoor, not Gary Gygax.
Raistlin's another that could have become a god
Any chance of a Cyric history and lore???
Could Merlin take Vecna?
Wouldn’t Mordenkainen be on the list of greatest wizards ever? IIRC he is considered to be the most powerful wizard in the Greyhawk setting.
Also a lot of lore seems to imply that he created a demiplane where he kept his phylactery which would explain why he “died” on this plane.
Karsus. Creator of Carsus' Avatar (the name he gave the spell)/Karsus' Folly (what literally every other character calls it). He's the reason the spellplague happened in Forgotten Realms.
Karsus’ Avatar. Broke the weave, caused the fall of Netheril. Spellplague was caused by Cyric assassinating Mystra. My guy, research or have played the game.
@@robhoteling5552 while I thank you for telling me that my autocorrect screwed me over (an issue which I will fix shortly after posting this reply), you don't need to be a dick about it, let alone make assumptions about me based on a comment regarding the one character you're least likely to hear about unless you actually go to what's left of Netheril and actively seek out information behind what caused the Spell Plague, and even then WotC was quite specific about how the damage was only indirectly caused by Karsus' Folly (the name literally everyone other than Karsus himself calls the spell), as it convinced Mistral (the literal goddess of magic) to allow herself to be killed by Shar, and her death was what caused the damage to the Weave and by extension the Spell Plague, and by further extension the shift from 3.5e to the worst edition (as finding her reincarnation and said reincarnation taking up the mantle is what heals the damage and leads into 5e).
Of course, there's still far better-written lore for characters who's active relevance lasts longer than just the transitional period between editions. For example:
Mordenkainen, chaotic neutral wizard, creator of Mordenkainen's Magnificent Mansion and the character played by Gary Gygax himself (and canonically still messing around with the multiverse).
-Drizzt, the first good Drow and creator of an archetype (canonically still alive, debuted in novels during the days when 2e was still current).
-The Lady of Pain, de-facto ruler of Sigil, one of the few entities that will never get stats and a major force behind what is objectively the best written "edition changing" lore in the game's history (see: Die Vecna Die! and the ensuing shift from 2e to 3e). Unlike how the other settings were canonically untouched by the aftermath of Karsus' Avatar and thus needed a different explanation for the shift, the damage Vecna did to Sigil and the Lady of Pain healing that damage is going to effect every realm it's connected to, which would be all of them.
Krasus did not cause the Spell plague. Krasus killed the original goddess of magic Mystril ending the Netherese Empire. The new goddess of Magic Mystra prevented any spell above 9th level from being cast to prevent this from happening again. She was later killed by Helm who punched her to death during the Time of Troubles. Mystra and the other gods were made mortal except Helm who was left to guard the stairs to the heaven by the Over God Ao. She was replaced by a woman called Midnight who ascended as the new goddess of magic and took the name Mystra to not confuse the already established faith. This Mystra was killed by Cyric who was the god of murder and did what the god of murder does best and murdered Mystra. THIS is what caused the Spellplague of 4e NOT Krasus.
@@shinon748 wow, you really don't know your lore.
1) Mystra allowed herself killed by Cyric mere moments after Karsus cast Karsus's Avatar, and she allowed it to happen because she was the spell's target.
2) The spellcasting limit for mortals being 9th level was AFTER Mystra's death and replacement by Midnight, not beforehand.
Karsus was to blame for BOTH, a fact that the sourcebooks go out of their way to make abundantly clear to be the case within the Forgotten Realms.ii
If you'd done any research at all instead of just reading a frequently modified wiki entry, you'd know this.
@@robhoteling5552 and Cyric succeeded because Mystra LET him. And the reason Mystra let him was because she knew Karsus picked her for the target of his spell. His killing her even happened SECONDS after he cast it.
Ergo Karsus's Avatar caused the spellplague, albeit indirectly
You and Syris re the one who needs to either learn the lore or, for once in your lives, play with a DM that *does their research, and doesn't misrepresent the timeline of events*
The spell didn't break the weave, Mystra's death broke the weave, as it was Karsus's spell binding him and her that made Mystra CHOOSE to die.
IF RYU FOUGHT GOKU HE WOULD AWAKEN ULTRA INSTINCT AND THEY WOULD FIGHT AS EQUALS.
Did you guys see last season of critical role, Vecna was the BBEG of the campaign
#Secretivity
Azlin
Goku can kick a fucking universe in half, what are you talking about!?
Where is lady of pain episode?
The Secret Word can be learned by watching Pee-Wee's Playhouse :)
You are chaotic evil for sure, keep watching that world burn.
Merlin
Can you guys fix your audio? It's always way to low.
wait, is vecna and karsus the same person?
Nah, different worlds. Vecna and his empire are chronologically much older and from the world of Oerth (Greyhawk), while Karsus was from the end of the Netherese empire on Toril (The Forgotten Realms)
Dark magician would mess up Vecna!! Lol
I think Dark Mag would poo himself. Especially since he only knows the one move.
Vecna never trusted Kas
Could Mordenkainen beat Vecna?
Philip Hamel Probably not but it'd be a crazy fight, they'd be duking it out across several planes
If he were a Rickainen and not a Morty-kainen, he probably could.
The eight get killed fighting someone with the eye and hand in Vecna Lives. Mordenkainen would get killed.
Mordenkainen was killed by Vecna in an old adventure, along with Bigby, Tenser, and the other members of the Circle of 8
Matt Lynn I know this is late but that's a joke only people with a very high iQ Will het.