A neat trick that is sort of irrelevant now - but it does show a nice way to counter Brettonia.. As if you need one. Brettonia vs Chaos - Total War Warhammer Battle
Hey there This build was back before the patch.They removed filth mace from the game and nerfed the forsakens. However vs the Brettonian infantry it doesn't really matter. In any case, I'm sure there are counters out there. But it's going to be really hard to think of one when being limited to tournament rules. This Chaos army is a valid one, and no one would expect anyone to bring 4 chaos knights. Post patch tho, the build is still strong, but not as strong as it used to be.
Then by all means, get a friend to play with the chaos army and let me know how it went. :) The chaos build is not as strong as it used to be. But it's still very strong.
It works against someone who doesn't micro properly - but in a blob of forsaken + chaos knights vs knights of the realm and halberds + filth mace, Chaos wrecks.
I've been seeing a lot of the Brettonian death squad and bowman spam lately, so I started using a chaos build to counter it. I take Kholek, 3x poison warhounds, 5x regular warhounds, 5x Forsaken, and 3x chaos warriors w/ halberds. I deploy my line of Chosen with two halberds on either side and a halberd in the rear with the three poison dogs behind the main line. I then guerilla deploy my regular dogs around their formation but out of their bow range. I'll keep them out of combat until I move my main deployment up, then use the dogs to tie up the archers while my group rushes them. I use the poison hounds to slow any cav that lands or charges around my main group and then get a unit of halberds and Kholek into them. It makes it impossible for them to snipe my general with the death squad and the king can't just cycle stagger Kholek late game because of his mass. The dogs perform really well vs a lot of the low armored units of Bret, and the scaly skin bonus is useful vs their missiles and the fact that they're cav that is as fast as Brettonian cav but doesn't count as large vs the spearmen is also handy. And it makes my OCD happy because it equals exactly 12400 =D is this as viable as the sort of strategy you showed here?
It definitely could be if Brettonia goes bow heavy. Forsaken are fast enough and strong enough to kill anything on foot, and then move on to wreck bowmen, The important thing is to be able to blob Louen so he can't disengage and regenerate and bomb individual units.
Maximus Decimus Meridius Yeah that's what I use the poison dogs for. They have a slow and are fast enough to keep him in combat. Then I blob him with Halberds and Kholek and he can't really get airborne again
Try this army: Bretonia - Lord (hippogryph, potion), Paladin (pegasus, potion) - remove unnecessary magic/skills, 1 men at arms, 6 spears +trebuchet. 4 Realm Knights, 2 Grail knights. Support your spears with paladin, support your cav with men at arms. Could work.
You can try only cavalry with Bretonia. Maunted yeomen can kill enemy infantry if they shoot all of their arrows (and they are cheaper than forsaken). By the way one mounted yeoman can kill even a giant!!! And your cavalry is faster (and cheaper) - you can run around. With grail knights you can beat enemy cavalry. With extra funds you can bring a unit or two of pegasus knight for devastating rear attack or against isolated enemy - and after that fast withdraw. In my opinion knights of the realm sucks - its better to bring two grail knight instead three of them (two grail knights are much better than 3 knights of the realm and its easier to micro them).
Breto build to counter this chaos list : Louen + Paladin (both flying mount) / 5 mens at arms with haleberds + 1 bowmen / 3 knights of the realms / 3 pegasus knights. One of the 2 cav will be stuck vs chaos cav, then the other one charge from behind. Works better when "blobing" with infantry. This build allows breto player to cycle charge when the chaos player can't. That makes the difference. Not my build tho, i just got **** by this list :p (sorry for english mistakes, i'm french. Nice vidz btw, need moar chaos testing :D)
Very good idea, but unit collision in Warhammer is terrible. Mostlikely when you charge your units will get permanently stuck, disabling any cycle charge options ^^
have you tried to manouver your archers to the sides and pimp the forsaken from the flanks while engaged? or when you do the cavalry engage just use the superior number of cav to sneak past chaos and do riercharge on forseken. or else take some yeomen back and sneak them to psicocharge while his cavalry is busy. or else charge his lord with yours so filthy mace is useless while your chavalry is engaged. or taking one less knight of the realm and one paladin to charge forsaken on the back and even engage his lord with 2 heroes
with bretonnia i usually make a chessboard deploy with archers in the holes so they can fire at the side on engaged units and more spear on the back. 6 spearmen 3 polearms 4 archers 3 knight of the realm 1 danzel 1 pegasus hero 1 leon core on flying Let's say _ is spearmen, - is polearms and \ is archer the deploy is _ \ _\ _ \_danzel_\ - _ - a trabuchet with one more polearm and 3 men of the realm on sides and one pegasus hero and leon core on his strange nome thingy. never lost one. what usually happens is that if horses tries to flank or go for archers they found spearmen. if the infantry engages it is held and peppered by archers on sides. just try it out, a constant suppressing fire from peasants bowmen should wreck the sit out of forsaken. This formation has like 15 victories with no losses, in the case of the army you were against a would just move the paladin around his lord and engage on the main front after his charge with my 2 lords than charge his lord again and again. I went against death blobs, full hero army, full steamtank army, full flying hero with a chavalry unit on the ground. death squad, if you want i could challenge you, steam name Snake_in_the_eye
pegasus knights? they would be able to win against chaos knight, and run away. get the charge bonus of the forsaken away, and just charge again and again and again
ive only played warhammer a few times but it feels like the maps are too small to skirmish the same way you would with the parthians or scythians in rome
Dwarfs, actually. At least pre-Update 2. Brettonia is extremely potent at hero sniping with flying death squad (Leoncoeur, 2 Paladins, 1-2 Pegasus). To be frank, this battle shows little in terms of Brettonia strength. Since fielding Mounted Yeomen Archers is basically a waste of money.
Legiro Dwarfs are actually the weakest thanks for the reminder. Flying death squad was way too niche though and only worked against people who weren't familiar w/ Bretonnia
Hey man, I think I can counter that chaos army with bretonnia. Hit me up if you want to give it a go.
Same here. I've been on a Bretonnia winning streak for two days now. No cheese :)
Hey there
This build was back before the patch.They removed filth mace from the game and nerfed the forsakens. However vs the Brettonian infantry it doesn't really matter.
In any case, I'm sure there are counters out there. But it's going to be really hard to think of one when being limited to tournament rules. This Chaos army is a valid one, and no one would expect anyone to bring 4 chaos knights.
Post patch tho, the build is still strong, but not as strong as it used to be.
The army build I have is within pretty much within any tournament rules. Depending on the rules of course.
Then by all means, get a friend to play with the chaos army and let me know how it went. :) The chaos build is not as strong as it used to be. But it's still very strong.
The grail knights should be on par with demigryphs along with Pegasus knights they HAVE MAGIC LANCES AND FLYING HORSES and it's pretty true lore wise
Why not yolo your Knights of the realm into the forsaken? Then blob in your spears after he piles in his knights?
It works against someone who doesn't micro properly - but in a blob of forsaken + chaos knights vs knights of the realm and halberds + filth mace, Chaos wrecks.
I've been seeing a lot of the Brettonian death squad and bowman spam lately, so I started using a chaos build to counter it. I take Kholek, 3x poison warhounds, 5x regular warhounds, 5x Forsaken, and 3x chaos warriors w/ halberds. I deploy my line of Chosen with two halberds on either side and a halberd in the rear with the three poison dogs behind the main line. I then guerilla deploy my regular dogs around their formation but out of their bow range. I'll keep them out of combat until I move my main deployment up, then use the dogs to tie up the archers while my group rushes them. I use the poison hounds to slow any cav that lands or charges around my main group and then get a unit of halberds and Kholek into them. It makes it impossible for them to snipe my general with the death squad and the king can't just cycle stagger Kholek late game because of his mass. The dogs perform really well vs a lot of the low armored units of Bret, and the scaly skin bonus is useful vs their missiles and the fact that they're cav that is as fast as Brettonian cav but doesn't count as large vs the spearmen is also handy. And it makes my OCD happy because it equals exactly 12400 =D is this as viable as the sort of strategy you showed here?
meant to say line of Forsaken but can't figure out how to edit on my mobile app =/
It definitely could be if Brettonia goes bow heavy. Forsaken are fast enough and strong enough to kill anything on foot, and then move on to wreck bowmen, The important thing is to be able to blob Louen so he can't disengage and regenerate and bomb individual units.
Maximus Decimus Meridius Yeah that's what I use the poison dogs for. They have a slow and are fast enough to keep him in combat. Then I blob him with Halberds and Kholek and he can't really get airborne again
Try this army: Bretonia - Lord (hippogryph, potion), Paladin (pegasus, potion) - remove unnecessary magic/skills, 1 men at arms, 6 spears +trebuchet. 4 Realm Knights, 2 Grail knights. Support your spears with paladin, support your cav with men at arms. Could work.
You can try only cavalry with Bretonia. Maunted yeomen can kill enemy infantry if they shoot all of their arrows (and they are cheaper than forsaken). By the way one mounted yeoman can kill even a giant!!! And your cavalry is faster (and cheaper) - you can run around. With grail knights you can beat enemy cavalry. With extra funds you can bring a unit or two of pegasus knight for devastating rear attack or against isolated enemy - and after that fast withdraw. In my opinion knights of the realm sucks - its better to bring two grail knight instead three of them (two grail knights are much better than 3 knights of the realm and its easier to micro them).
Breto build to counter this chaos list : Louen + Paladin (both flying mount) / 5 mens at arms with haleberds + 1 bowmen / 3 knights of the realms / 3 pegasus knights.
One of the 2 cav will be stuck vs chaos cav, then the other one charge from behind. Works better when "blobing" with infantry.
This build allows breto player to cycle charge when the chaos player can't. That makes the difference.
Not my build tho, i just got **** by this list :p
(sorry for english mistakes, i'm french. Nice vidz btw, need moar chaos testing :D)
Very good idea, but unit collision in Warhammer is terrible. Mostlikely when you charge your units will get permanently stuck, disabling any cycle charge options ^^
Could work, the x-factor being unit support. If the Forsaken support the Chaos Knights, Pegasus Knights go down fast.
can't a Damsel cast something to help the infantry in the fight? No one ever brings magic with Bretonnia.
why dont you only bring cavalry? obviously bretonnia's infantry is going to lose
I don't have filth mace with the chaos lord ,did i miss something or this video is pre-patch and they changed it in the patch ?
Why not get a Damsel to debuff the enemy. Curse of the Midnight Wind gives a pretty significant decrease to enemy attack.
Maybe. Tried the Damsel a few times, but mainly used damage spells.
I think they removed the mace from the game
have you tried to manouver your archers to the sides and pimp the forsaken from the flanks while engaged? or when you do the cavalry engage just use the superior number of cav to sneak past chaos and do riercharge on forseken. or else take some yeomen back and sneak them to psicocharge while his cavalry is busy. or else charge his lord with yours so filthy mace is useless while your chavalry is engaged. or taking one less knight of the realm and one paladin to charge forsaken on the back and even engage his lord with 2 heroes
with bretonnia i usually make a chessboard deploy with archers in the holes so they can fire at the side on engaged units and more spear on the back.
6 spearmen 3 polearms 4 archers 3 knight of the realm 1 danzel 1 pegasus hero 1 leon core on flying
Let's say _ is spearmen, - is polearms and \ is archer the deploy is
_ \ _\ _
\_danzel_\
- _ -
a trabuchet with one more polearm and 3 men of the realm on sides and one pegasus hero and leon core on his strange nome thingy. never lost one. what usually happens is that if horses tries to flank or go for archers they found spearmen. if the infantry engages it is held and peppered by archers on sides. just try it out, a constant suppressing fire from peasants bowmen should wreck the sit out of forsaken.
This formation has like 15 victories with no losses, in the case of the army you were against a would just move the paladin around his lord and engage on the main front after his charge with my 2 lords than charge his lord again and again.
I went against death blobs, full hero army, full steamtank army, full flying hero with a chavalry unit on the ground. death squad, if you want i could challenge you, steam name Snake_in_the_eye
pegasus knights? they would be able to win against chaos knight, and run away. get the charge bonus of the forsaken away, and just charge again and again and again
We tried every possible combination we could thing of, including Pegasus knights. Neither of us were able to win vs that Chaos army with Brettonia.
ive only played warhammer a few times but it feels like the maps are too small to skirmish the same way you would with the parthians or scythians in rome
And skirmish cav gets tired too fast!
Why does the thumbnail have demigrif Knights?
Because I'm lazy.
All that bretonnia has is lou.
I can counter this counter but will my counter be a counter against the counter to my counter ?
Filth sword ? could not find it, must make an appointment with Spec Savers.
Make an appointment with CA: patchsavers.
What about like... almost all flying
They have no ranged units
Looking at forsaken stats. It's unpatched version.
did they add the filth mace back?
Not that I've seen!
So I think this settles which faction is lowest tier.
Dwarfs, actually. At least pre-Update 2. Brettonia is extremely potent at hero sniping with flying death squad (Leoncoeur, 2 Paladins, 1-2 Pegasus). To be frank, this battle shows little in terms of Brettonia strength. Since fielding Mounted Yeomen Archers is basically a waste of money.
Legiro Dwarfs are actually the weakest thanks for the reminder. Flying death squad was way too niche though and only worked against people who weren't familiar w/ Bretonnia
Glad the thumbnail is chaos vs empire lol