Where are the Aliens in Dune?
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- In this video, we will be reviewing the subject on where are the aliens Dune. Throughout multiple SCIFI franchise there was other alien species that existed but that's not the case in the Dune franchise. Throughout the 6 books: Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune, God Emperor of Dune, Heretics of Dune, Chapterhouse: Dune. None of the characters faced another intelligent life form besides a humans. We will be finding out why and any other specie of information that was given within the Books and encyclopedia.
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People often forget, that the area called the "universe" in Dune is just a tiny slice of our galaxy and the vast majority of the galaxy is largely unexplored.
Mmmm actually I believe it is the entire Universe, or at least a big chunk of it. I strongly doubt the Milky Way contains a million Earthlike planets.
@@bretthess6376 Just googling it they estimate somewhere between 5 and 40 billion earthlike planets. And one million divided by 5 billion is 0,02%.
I would’ve thought with Fold Space technology traditional borders would be irrelevant. The Empire could include systems close to our homeworld and at the edge of the visible universe. Travel time isn’t the limitation, the ability to explore the endless void is the limitation. The Spacing Guild is known to know of world’s beyond the Imperium’s knowledge that rogue houses can hide on for a price!
I’ve read all the Dune novels but that question never comes up . I don’t know if that question was ever asked of Frank Herbert . Maybe he just purposely excluded aliens from his books . Maybe he just wanted a human only universe story with humans only interacting with other humans.. we can speculate anything from humans have stopped other intelligent aliens from ever evolving to them hiding though that seems impossible. Or that it’s early in the universe and will evolve later..
I think I remember ruins of some mysterious advanced distant society around the Dune “universe”
Readers: can we have aliens?
Herbert: no, but here's a chair-shaped dog
What was bro smoking? 💀
Did you forget the in universe suspicion that the Worms themselves may have been created by unknown intelligent life. And that Dune/Arrakis has been terraformed into a desert world by maybe same intelligent life.
But the Worms were only found on Arrakis, where they were the dominant life form.
@@bretthess6376 they became the dominant lifeform and transformed the world. It use to be much more like Earth. They are not native to the world.
@@bretthess6376 only arrakis because humanity haven't explore much of the galaxy yet
What if the humans are the aliens?
Put it this way, to any other alien race, WE would be the aliens.
Good point.
Technically they are.
Like take me to your leader 😂🤣 as long as it’s dementia sleepy Joe
I always liked that theory of the fermi paradox. I think its a concept not yet used much in sci fi, like humans being the progenitor of the aliens we see in space through evolving.
When I first read through the Dune books I at first thought the great enemy of the Honored Matres that drove them out of the Scattering into the Old Empire may be of alien origin or the two strange characters, Daniel and Marty, who try to ensnare Duncan Idaho’s No-ship. Daniel and Marty, however, seem conclusively to be Face Dancers - humans. I suppose the great enemy could yet be alien, but Frank Herbert’s concern and focus was in humanity and I think the catastrophe, the typhoon struggle, that Leto II saw in his vision that lay ahead for humanity was more the titanic struggle for relevance and continuity for the human race, (aside from the creation of the ultimate Hunter Seekers which was nullified by Siona’s no-gene) a war against stagnation and death from a lack of evolution, and this I think was ultimately achieved through the explosion of potential that was unleashed by the Golden Path. If anything, maybe the Dune chronicles could be looked at as the origins and spreading of intelligent life throughout a universe of infinite possibilities with humanity becoming an originator species that spawns countless “alien” life.
Sound reasoning. 👍
Face dancer just an Assassin Mutant not Alien but
Maybe they used an alien technology
I always liked that theory of the fermi paradox. I think its a concept not yet used much in sci fi, like humans being the progenitor of the aliens we see in space through evolving. Thou i would like to have some legit alien society in a story like that but make them fundamentally different from humans at least idealistically and have a different society and a different kind of intelligence and advancement.
@@jmgonzales7701 The fermi paradox, thank you. I was searching for the term describing the concept, and yes, it would be great to see some other science fiction take the idea and do something creative for storytelling purposes.
@@MROJPC yes i have the same opinion about it
the worms are et life forms
Herbert wanted a sci fi that could explore sci fi without aliens. He was adamant not to ever include aliens in Dune, he did write other sci fi stories with aliens. He just felt that aliens get in way of some stories and are too convenient for other story lines.
I always liked that theory of the fermi paradox. I think its a concept not yet used much in sci fi, like humans being the progenitor of the aliens we see in space through evolving. Thou i would like to have some legit alien society in a story like that but make them fundamentally different from humans at least idealistically and have a different society and a different kind of intelligence and advancement.
@@jmgonzales7701 progenitor? then they'd all be humans because DNA never lie
Something moved the worms to Arrakis, they aren't native to that world.
What’s the evidence for that? I’ve only started the first novel
@manwithnoplan5496 there's several things that point to it, though Herbert never came out and said it. First of all, there hasn't been enough time for the worms to evolve between when it was a wet oceanic world to the one we know. Also the worms are deadly allergic to even small amounts of water. Lastly they are so reliant on the exact environment of Arakis, they can't be transported to other worlds. If they could evolve so quickly on Arakis then they should also be able to adapt to other worlds.
@@jacara1981 but why would we create them? They’re literally a major threat to humans
@@manwithnoplan5496 because the worms create the Spice
@@jacara1981 right but I thought they only found that out later on. That’s what my dad told me but he hasn’t read the books since college
I remember reading long ago some bits from a Dune Encyclopedia that was being written by Frank Herbertz son. In there it is said that in some planets explored and even colonized by mankind artifacts and ruins were found but no live sentient aliens. Also what was found was extremely ancient from even before mankind existed. All of these things eventually went to the Bene Gheserit for study and preservation and the rest of mankind is mostly completely oblivious and/or uninterested in them.
It is also suggested that the BG study concluded that these civilizations had reached some sort of milestone or peak in their development and then became instinct so fast that they didn't even recorded what caused their extinction.
This all falls into the lore of the BG seeing a coming darkness from within the galaxy that will wipe out mankind and the reason why they started to manipulate the bloodlines to try and produce the messiah super being with the vision to see the danger and would save mankind and lead it in a golden path into the future.
The nature of the coming darkness is also unknown. It could be a resurfacing of machine intelligence, a plague, an aggressive sentient alien race, etc. It's also suggested (and seems to be the original thinking of the author but never written) that the darkness is caused by stagnation. Civilizations evolve until they become too satisfied with their lives and comfort and by doing so become weak and a crisis would come and they would be unable to surpass and survive it.
The Butlerian Jihad saved mankind from destruction and came about because humans became too dependent and complacent on machine intelligence.
i don't want to enter into spoilers but i suggest people read more than the first novel. The more you read the more it will make sense.
I always liked that theory of the fermi paradox. I think its a concept not yet used much in sci fi, like humans being the progenitor of the aliens we see in space through evolving. Thou i would like to have some legit alien society in a story like that but make them fundamentally different from humans at least idealistically and have a different society and a different kind of intelligence and advancement.
Honestly it's hard to even consider the Harkonnens human.
🤣
so what made the muadru runes found in the dune universe?
I hypothesize an earlier group of people, enhanced by Melange.
You forgot the Butlerian Jihad. To eradicate thinking machines. Though as we can read in the books, they didn't exactly get eradicated entirely. And you also forgot Norma Cenva. And of course there are the Tleilaxu who make plenty of intelligent lifeforms in their own twisted ways. I suppose it really depends on what you call "human". Cyborgs? Twisted Mentats? The Bene Gesserit? Spacing Guild Navigators?
The Sandworms are Aliens.
I also wondered about this. There are really just two possibilities; 1) there are no aliens, or 2) there are aliens but they are few and far away, and humans have just not expanded enough to encounter them. When I read the last book in Frank Herbert's series they talked about the distant colonists returning, as if they were running away from something they encountered. What is that? His soon took it and made it about sentient machines, but I doubt that was the original intent.
I always liked that theory of the fermi paradox. I think its a concept not yet used much in sci fi, like humans being the progenitor of the aliens we see in space through evolving. Thou i would like to have some legit alien society in a story like that but make them fundamentally different from humans at least idealistically and have a different society and a different kind of intelligence and advancement.
@@jmgonzales7701 I get what you're saying. In most of the entertainment, the aliens generally behave like humans, or like animals. Why is that? Because that's all we have ever seen IRL and aren't familiar with anything else. Like in Star Trek, most of the aliens have the same needs and drives, but what makes them different is their philosophies and culture, moreso than any innate behavior differences. I have a story I have been working on for years where I'm trying to make some aliens that are really different, and behave differently. I think it can be done, but it takes more thought than what most people are ready to give, and to be fair, the average consumer doesn't really care. They just care that the story moves along at a decent pace, and provides them with some escapism/a break from reality.
dont forget AI might be made by humans but its a non human intelligence, AKA a type of alien
just not an extraterrestrial alien
Leto in the God Emperor of dune said his empire is an 'intergalactic empire'
So no, there is no Aliens neither other galaxies. Which means we're alone
I seem to recall a mention of nonhuman beings at the Imperial Court. However, plainly XTs were unable to compete with warlike humans.
What about the Fremen
Alien have but....Space guild don't allow you to contact them
What I know Something or Someone bring The Worms into Arrakis Dune
The Dune books specifically state "The Known Universe" which is only a small section of the Orion Arm, or more accurately the Orion Spur.
Correct, the known universe, in the 60's was believed to be much smaller than we discovered later. And most of the aliens were made by the Tleilaxu (the cat people in the last 2 books), the face dancers and other possible horrors (like the 8 legged thing in the first book). Although they expanded alot after the God-Emperor's death, called the scattering. They didn't go beyond the galaxy.
@@TheH8redd You are correct.
there are no aliens in dune. simple as
I`ve been also curious about the same thing but regarding the Bladerunner, but I`m guessing it merges with the Alien and Predator into one universe
This is a prevailing question, but I don't get it. It's so bizarre that the idea we are the only life in the universe is so strange to so many. There is zero evidence of non-terrestrial life. It's like religion--it's all about faith and hope.
Yea who knows. If aliens are real they will stay far away from us.
Could you do a video on the Triad please? From Babylon 5.
Harkonenn look like aliens to me.