Leasing & Charging Her ARIYA For Basically Free! Colorado Makes Driving Electric Crazy Cheap
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Episode 379: On today's episode, a friend of Out of Spec named Lacey sits down with Francie to talk all about how she leased a 2023 Nissan ARIYA for extremely cheap, what she likes and dislikes, how she manages to find free charging all over her town, and talks about all the incentives Colorado offers for consumers looking to drive electric.
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So many incentives on top of much better deals than here in central VA. Makes me wanna move to Colorado. I barely got good lease deal on 2023 Kia Niro EV wind. Was about $250 a month for 10k miles a year for 24 months. But then I wanted it as a business lease so this added about $100 more a month 🙄
Please clarify. The ariya has regent, I believe what you mean is it doesn't have single pedal driving.
It does one have pedal driving called e-step, if you're in adaptive cruise it will stop for you but if you're not in cruise you have to hit the brake to fully stop but I don't really ever hit the brake much. :)
I agree also put it on auto park-brake (Auto-P butto on panel below steering wheel and it will stay still even when you remove foot from the brake). E-pedal slows you rapidly to less than 10 mph so just very light touch to control it to a stop. I was told that this kind of polishes the friction brakes and prevents them from seizing up. You want the friction brakes to work in an emergency at full stopping speed so this makes sense.
Also I’m pretty sure that e-pedal mode over rides Eco and B (brake) mode so try just engaging e-pedal instead of all 3. Agree that it should remember your last setting though.
Love my Ariya done 7000 miles in 3 months including some light towing. I would highly recommend! (UK listener)
Did the dealership show Lacey how to charge the car and show her what to do if the charger handle gets stuck and how to fix it
Agreed, I had to research that for myself on YT; where my emergency release from the charger was on our R1T and Ioniq6. One should also research how to jump the 12V battery if one has a non-Tesla EV.
Can Lacey help get a charging station at my apartments in greeley Colorado at the Trails at Sheep Draw apartments
I'm a bit of on outlier since I can fix cars and have a place to do so. Right now it is cheaper to buy older ICE vehicles, fix them, then sell them in a year or so for break even or profit. I would like an EV and do have a CT reservation. We shall see. Good episode.
When your employer is reimbursing some of your expenses at .67 cents a mile an EV is better option.
@@normt430 That is a great situation and I would do the same.
Nothing is free, someone has to pay the bill
Personally would not buy a Honda, Nissan or Toyota. Japan is super anti EV and I won't support their country's automakers.
Why didn't you get the Tesla model 3? that's allround better and same price
Don’t buy an BEV if you don’t have easy access to charging. Her problems are self inflicted. Nice person but somewhat clueless about BEVs.🤷
I think you're missing the point. In order for EVs to go mass market people who are clueless about EVs need to be able to buy EVs. Mass education, a support system, and/or be dead simple to use (tesla) is a requirement for mass adoption, or are you wanting EVs to be a niche product?
@@benjamindbarr I am fully aware of the situation with charging. I have owned BEVs as my only vehicles since 2017. I use EA and Tesla SC weekly. If you don’t want to put in any effort stuck with Tesla. I have never had any of the issues she mentioned in the video. Buy the appropriate vehicle for you use case and location amenities.
@txxthie yes but use cases change and there are way more variables with EVs right now, to many. My 2015 leaf worked great for my use case, till my oldest got old enough and wanted to play hockey and my wife hated when I stole the tesla and left her with my commuter for long distance. So I have experienced some issues with chademo that eventually made me switch to a bolt... but charging should not be more complicated than gas and right now it very much can be.
@@benjamindbarr I am surprised BEVs and the charging network have advanced so quickly. Credit Covid and supply chain shortages forcing many into EVs prematurely. Bolt and Leaf are commuter cars due to charging speeds, plus lack of active cooling with Leaf. They should be AC charged exclusively. My 2017 bolt didn’t come standard with DCFC. The current Bolt powertrain/ battery is essentially unchanged since 2017. Again, buy the right vehicle for your use case. Too many Niros, Bolts, Kona, and Leafs clogging up the DCFC network. There should be now a minimum 100 kWh charging speed requirement to use 150 kW+ chargers. Also stop with free DC charging plans. Was there ever a time gas was free?
With those incentives I definitely would have bought an ev! 😮
In Colorado, you can stack almost all the incentives. The exception is the Xcel Energy rebate does not stack with the Colorado State tax rebate. Another side not, the State of Colorado does not offer a tax rebate for a used EV. I bought a used lease return Chevy Bolt. The vehicle exchange program gave me $4000 for my old pos. I got $3000 from Xcel & should get another $4000 from Federal on my tax returns. Oh! I also got $1300 from Xcel for having a level 2 charger installed.
Xcel incentives have very strict income requirements (outside of anyone being eligible for $500 credit towards Level 2 EVSE install)
The Xcel rebate is now stackable for income qualified customers ($5000)
29:00 New EV owners need to learn where their emergency release (from fast chargers) are on their vehicles. Also, one time we had to soft reboot and pull the fast charger out while soft rebooting our R1T because even the emergency release failed. Not fun times. Lacey seems like a "trooper" and a determined person.
I am watching Kyle's video with Lacey now. They are discussing all the cool stuff she got with a low trim model. My low trim SE Ioniq 6 has so much cool stuff standard in low trim. It's great what you can find when you take the time to test drive EVs. Good on Lacey and her Mom.
Everytime I get into my Ioniq 6, I have to put it in one pedal and put on lane centering. I don't love that but I do still LOVE Jiselle the Ioniq 6.
I"m not sure about Ariya, but my Nissan Leaf has the option of starting in e-pedal (there's an actual button), and also, starting in ECO (this one is one of the settings switches in the vehicle starting options). Not sure about the B level, in the LEAF, once you have the e-pedal, it will use the "blended" brake and use regen braking which is really one pedal driving. I test drove an Ariya, so I don't for sure, but checking on some forum, they seem to have the option of defaulting to "ON". Here is what I could dig.
To keep e-Step selection persistent, select and set Settings->Driver Assistance->e-Step->Retain Mode to ON.
Thank you for that information.
I have free EA charging for 2 years (Ioniq6).
Love my Ariya, glad there are other happy customers.
Hell, most salesmen at dealerships don't know much about any car they sell. They definitely won't know about EVs!
………… a good one does… let that sink in
I remember the video with Kyle when she got the car. I’m glad the car is mostly working out for her. Nissan is not known for software, but it could not hurt to pressure them for some updates, especially for that charger locking latch bug.
Dealers are such con artists even in that small sample
The prices in CO are so much better than everywhere else. The prices are horrible in Texas. I went into a dealership hoping to even score something within twice of what she paid.
My quotes were as followed
300 month with 9000 down.
or 725 with 0 down.
I'm not even in the same planet as she is on. It was disappointing because I really liked the car.
It's not helpful when an EV podcast conflates regen with 1-pedal operation. For most EVs (other than Teslas), the computer applies regeneration optimally, whether the deceleration SIGNAL comes from pressing the brake pedal or backing off on the accelerator pedal. If you are interested in maximum efficiency, you might want to find an EV that can freewheel (coast with the motor/generator doing nothing).
Sounds like she made an informed decision for her self. . Great to live on free country. Computition is good. I love my model Y. I think best car ever made. I bought with no special incentive exp 7500 credit. If smart young people are choosing EV ovrr ICE good for her. Tesla supercharger makes all the difference for me. Ive had zero problens with tesla charges. The problems you experience have no excuse. You should never get trapped in your car.
Really like the Ariya, and looked at buying one but, they didn't have any AWD options, and they had the short-range battery, which I wouldn't consider. I bought a Tesla Model Y LR, and love it, plan on keeping it until something better comes along.
I've seen the Ariya once in the wild. It looks fantastic.
I won't buy one until they rebrand it as the leaf. This is what the leaf should have been. Curse Chademo.
Lacey, I suggest that you read the Ariya forums and watch videos about the Ariya (owner videos and even Nissan manufacturer videos).
Lacey u like Dave Kyle or Jordan mostest FRANCIE??? 😝
That was a great lease deal for sure. Colorado really has the incentives for EVs. Francie does a great job interviewing as always. It would be great to do a follow up discussion about EV charging options for apartments and condos, sounds like Lacey has some good info about that.
Lacey’s mistake traveling 130 miles away, 260 round-trip, for this 275 mi range EV was not planning in advance where to charge. Unless there is reliable charging nearby, I would never leave my EV at only 15% SoC. She learned a valuable lesson and won’t do it again.
Not when she knows to ABC even if it is overnight on 110v outlet. Plus the .67 cents miles from employer is icing on the cake!
Lacey will never get to Aspen in the winter.
Relevant information ty ladies
Wow this is the story of how a car salesman works to get a good commission.
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Start by lying. Keep lowering until you hit the number she mentioned on another vehicle.
Try test driving then purchase/lease online after trying multiple.
Isn't there an income limit on the vehicle exchange? I considered exchanging my old jeep but I think my wife and I together make to much money.
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Yep - taken from the website: “Income Qualification
Income eligibility is determined by income and household size, based on the index Area Median Income (AMI) in an individual’s county of residence. To meet the income-qualifications for the VXC rebate, your household income needs to be below 80% of the area median income (AMI).”
California, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Virginia have passed right-to-charge laws aiming to streamline the installation of residential community EV charging stations. Also, Illinois recently passed a right-to-charge law specific to new houses or multiunit buildings.
Please do reach out to the energy officials. Very interested to know about the EV rebates in CO and it’s eligibility(income limits,MSRP)
Great video! Such amazing state incentives in Colorado. I'm hoping now that Kempower is in North Carolina that we see the state roll out tax incentives on EV purchases ASAP.
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Driving electric is definitely an adventure, especially when it comes to charging.
If you're not up for the adventure, don't.
Colorado weather is quite quirky. Drove from Aztec NM to Denver. When I got to Denver it was a perfect 70° sunny day. I took a nap for several hours and when I woke up there was an inch of snow on the ground. Then there was the Christmas my brother and I were raking leaves in our shirt sleeves. Fun times in Colorado.
8:00 I must admit the regen (one pedal driving) in my Ioniq6 is not as strong as I would like. A minor flaw in my beautiful Jiselle, the 2024 awd Ioniq6.
Even with all the efforts in Colorado they still didn't meet their air quality goal. The EPA will likely mandate a cleaner gas formula.
how long are they going to pay 400 dollars a month. if it is on going with no limit i would buy the car and have them pay for it.
My impressions of the car is that it’s nice but average. I just don’t see that many of them on the road.
I'm glad the OOS ladies have minds of their own. Thank goodness. I LOVE Jiselle my Ioniq6. My husband kept telling me to get a model Y. I told him I will buy a red 2024 awd Ioniq6 low trim (SE) or I will buy nothing. My husband did help me get an extra $2200 off MSRP once I had picked out the EV ( I got it for 38k so $9700 off MSRP total).
re: "My husband kept telling me to get a model Y. I told him I will buy a red 2024 awd Ioniq6 low trim (SE) or I will buy nothing..." IN YOUR FACE ELON...!!!
@@phillyphil1513 I'm from Philly also! Now I live in North Carolina. Going back to the Jersey shore in July for my summer cheesesteak.
"A blink charging station and I had to wait there all night".
Well, to those of us who may have jobs, pets, families, and other obligations. Or are too old to be happy sleeping in the driver's seat all night. Just *one* incident of this type is enough to assure we won't be touching EVs until there is a robust support network for them.
And when Francie misspoke about not having to worry about flat tires any more? Really, EVs get the same number of flats, but the special tires will be harder to replace. Which can also mean an overnight motel stay while tires are shipped in.
Overall, I'd say this talk only proves that IF there are a boatload of incentives, they can make a great reason to go EV. But when you talk leasing, you also need to discuss cap cost, residual cost open vs closed end leasing. A whole other ball of wax.
There is a robust support network, it's called Tesla Superchargers. Next week, I'm heading from Devon, UK to Dortmund, Germany, for a friend's party. I have an 8 year old Model S 85D, 262,000 miles covered and I know there will be no issues. Virtually no planning required, other than book the channel tunnel. Just like the trip down to Italy, where I spent 6 weeks in Southern Italy last October/November, charging in France, Italy and Switzerland, had covered 5,500+ miles by the time I got home. I did sleep in the car for 2 ½ hours in Northern Italy on the trip down, as I was just too tired to carry on. And had a sleep near Stonehenge for a couple of hours on the way back. I haven't had any issues with getting EV tyres either and a non EV tyre will do just fine if they don't have the same tyre as is fitted to your car. There is definitely no need to book a hotel! I've had to get whatever the fitter had on ICE cars in the past. Life is pretty simple if you don't look to complicate it. I don't miss the regular service schedule of an ICE car or the expense. My car is in the shop today, they are replacing the original front wishbones. They had passed the MOT test a couple of months back, but I figured after 260,000+ miles it was time to start refreshing the suspension.
@@lyfandeth EV do not require “special” or EV specific tires.
Usual advice in Europe is lease new buy used , as the value loss in the first 2 years is huge. You can buy a 2/3 year clean car with low mileage for
Yes the whole new car market is quite volatile at the moment. Get the lease company to take the risk. The used market is settling down a bit this year and there's some good deals to be had.
Tesla depreciation is non existent when th bev gets better w/age over the air updates
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I really hate that full regen thing. My e-Golf has a B mode that is way to strong for me. Just to sensitive when driving manually. If drive along and disengage ACC the car brakes uncomfortably hard.
Normally I use regen 2 of 3 where B is kind of the 4th and strongest. This will give a fairly gradual and comfortable braking.
My dealer actually advised me to just use D mode and actually use the pedal to brake. And especially during rain brake harder to actually engage the friction brakes. This would save the pads and disks from rusting and require replacement. The price for that is quite high and the regen savings would not cover that.
I'm guessing B mode is like "braking mode" while D is "driving mode".
It's really tough for people who don't know anything about cars to buy an EV. There's just a lot to know. Just because there is no throttle lift of regen doesn't mean there's no regen when you press the brake pedal. Nissan has an e-pedal setting somewhere in the screen if that is specifically what you want. Most EVs do.
The e-step sounds like one pedal driving (regen) in a tesla???
These girls have a Vinfast VF8 and a Nissan Ariya. They are brave and willing to try the new stuff. I do agree that leasing is the way to go if you are not buying a Tesla. If for no other reason the fact that in the US we are standardizing on the J3400 charge connector in the next few years and you really don't want to get stuck with a CCS car if you use public charging. On the other hand with all the money available in Colorado it would be great to buy a Tesla if you can afford it and have something to sell at the end of it.
That connector standard is now questionable
@@leviandhiro3596 I think it's still going to happen. Tesla no longer owns it and it's just better for everyone automakers, customers, and charging providers.
CCS connectors will still be around, and using adapters will work just fine. Hell, NACS to ChadeMo adapters for fast charging exist, because Tesla used ChadeMo with a different pin setup for supercharging.
Lease if you want but the connector issue is not really a big deal.
Market failure?
She loved the Model 3, but didn’t get it because Elon makes her sad. So instead she got one of the worst EVs you could buy. She even said she would not get this car again after her lease is up. She let emotions instead of logic guide her in her lease, and now she regrets it. Shocker.
Why worst EV? Tesla fanboy?
Girls go by looks, mostly. Tesla doesn't have that.
it is hardly the "worse EV you could buy."
@@Waltgoeselectric that would the other Japanese company. :)
Wrong the Aryia is not one of them the worst evs. Stop the exaggeration
Lacey, does $400/mo cover both lease payment and insurance, or do you have to add some money? At 256 for lease, 400 only leaves $144 for insurance.
Plus employer paid travel at .67 cents a mile.
@@normt430 Norm, companies give you 67 cents as reimbursement for using your personal vehicle. When travel is very high, they alternatively make payments on a lease car, but NO double dipping. I can't think of justification for paying an additional 67 cents/mi.
@@johnpoldo8817 Correct. Unless it is your company and you are depreciation a car.
I’d like to learn more about this non-profit that wants my donation. Money I give you goes to paying $400/mo perk to employees. I don’t know any other employer that offers to pay for your car, unless you are a traveling salesperson. This is ridiculous.
Hm, not my take at all. Makes sense to me that an organization promoting electric vehicle adoption & driving “clean” wants their employees to live that lifestyle - then they can be the most knowledgeable advocates for it. Why wouldn’t they incentivize it within the org to make sure everyone can? It’s what CPOs should be doing more of imo.
@@heyfrancie As an EV fanboy since 2017 and business owner, I appreciate your take, but feel employee benefits have gone amuk. Using the same logic, should all employees of oil companies also get $400/mo for their ICE vehicle payment. After all, they want to promote greater use of fossil fuel. Many munincipalities want to promote clean air to reduce climate change, so should they give a $400/mo perk to employees too?
Lacey must claim this benefit on her income tax becasue it is not required to do her job. Wouldn't free charging at place of employment be enough? I would never donate to this non-profit after learning how they spend money.
Cheap girl. That does not happens with tesla charger
EV manufacturers and dealers are targeting women, young and old, because their an easy sell. They don't realize the true dangers of Lithium batteries and EMF Radiation to them and their families. The long run cost of operation is outrageous. Please, don't put your family in any EV