I can't tell you how happy this video makes me. A Detroit Diesel (best diesel ever made!), a Mark 3 pump and a man who knows about and appreciates both. Classic machinery still being out to use, gotta love it.
@@americanangler94559 Yeah, Detroit is the best if by "best" you mean "cheapest" or maybe "loudest" or "leakiest". They were put in everything back in the day because they were cheap, no other reason.
Being an operating engineer its so nice to stumble upon a channel where someone actually knows hand signals and terminology for picking and setting something !!!!!! Bravo good sir you have earned another subscriber!!!
I love listening to both of you converse. I very much enjoy how you have no desire to appear knowledgeable or like an expert on all topics, and let your 'guest' speak on topics he is passionate about. Many people feel the need to jump in all the time to appear intelligent, and it takes a confident man to simply listen.
This video was more interesting to me than most. It brought back memories of logging our 40 acres in Sluth Carolina when I was a kid. I used to watch the guys make lumber, mountains of sawdust and piles of slabs with this style of sawmill.
The local sawmill got here in the 60's around 66.It was a Frick and would cut 24 foot stuff. Had a 4-71 GM two valve that was made from 1950 to 52 according to the numbers. Pulled the main saw, edger and a cuttoff off a line shaft. We were still in high school and ran the mill after school till dark-30. We graduated in 69. The grandson still runs it but has a 6-71 on it but still has that 4-71 that needs a bottom end overhaul but still runs. A GM has the ideal governor response to keep the blade at a steady speed opposed to a 4-cycle. It'll do well. God Bless Yall
We had a 671 running our 56” frick sawmill. Reworked the governor to hold rpm. After sawing poplar gpa put a red oak on the carriage and cut into it at the same rate. With a thwoooong the blade stopped in the cut, all 6 giant v belts started smoking, my dad scrambled to disengage the clutch and shut it down. Good times
my grandfather s sawmill sounds just about the same...a 3000cc diesel engine that always performed and its pinned in the yard on a concrete piedestal ..there was no electricity in the 40s..and it did the job
My grandfather ran a sawmill and feed store next to my dad's house. They used a supercharged 4v71. That thing would bellow, and probably explains why I love the sound of them as an adult.
Do you mean turbocharged? All 2 stroke diesels have a blower, which is often repurposed as a supercharger on hotrods. A 2 stroke diesel needs this blower to run since there is no vacuum to pull air into the cylinder. The engine is still considered to be naturally aspirated because the blower is sized and geared to match the displacement of the engine. They did have turbocharged versions as well which would be in addition to the blower.
@@chrisevans2645 no, my dad said it was supercharged. Which he's a 40yr GM diesel tech. I'm sure he said it just to say what it was, not as to say it as it was something added on. That wasn't the thing to do back in the mid 80s, at least not on a family owned sawmill. The conversation came up because about a decade ago, some preservation society bought the old sawmill but never did anything with it. They, in the last 9 months or so offered my dad to buy it back and that's when I asked questions about it. I was like 2/3 years old at the time but I remember the bellow of the sawmill. My dad's house was right next to his parent's house and that Detroit screamed when they would cut logs.
I run my mill with an old cat diesel, it does pretty good. But all the videos I watch of Detroits running mills, that is THEE sawmill power unit, they are so snappy responsive!
I got a van with a detroit diesel in it. the old but gold 6.2! I asked about these old diesels once and one guy simply said. They are old, they are inefficient, they are loud, but they do not die and they have a roar like nothing else and that i can attest to. My love for diesels have grown greatly after getting my old 6.2, they have a massive attitude!
@@alexmatthews2332 you are one hundred percent right. these 6.2s are not a Powerhouse or a proper Detroit in that sense, but its very popular in Norway.
You boys got a green/yellow leaker, a Honda, 2 stroke joke, i worked in a Eng shop, did 2 engines a week, a kid bolted them to a Dyno, ran them for 15 minutes, each and every one had a drip on the tube, and the noise, crazy. Everything fron a 2 cyl to a V12 53 to 92 series. Dont miss em, but they we simple, not a 100 sensors like our Tier 4s of yoday.
Two takeaways from this video 1) The Essential Handyman only hangs with guys with suspenders 2) Even if it's 86 degrees and Brady has a sheen, he is still cool under pressure having his work videoed for the masses.
I used to fly an ultralight that used two of those mark 3 water pump engines. (The airplane was a Lazair) They are Rotax 185 - two stroke engines. Each puts out 9.5 hp.
Just about every Amish sawmill here in Northern NY is driven by old Detroit diesels. Inexpensive to buy, easy to get parts for, and easy to keep running. It surprises people that those Amish sawyers are good mechanics, but they have to be, and they are.
I live around Amish and I'm not surprised. Many people have many misconceptions about the Amish. Most of the Amish men in my area work as carpenters and day labor. Lots of roofing, painting, anything. They use power tools while working out in the world but never at home.
@@SebastianKrabs, The explanation I got on a job site where Amish men (and their young boys) were roofing a house in a new development and they were using a power lift on a ladder, was that they could use power equipment as long as they don’t own it.
@@Hoaxer51it all depends on the bishops. Some are allowed to own the equipment but not use it, others use it but not own, some can do both. Some districts are really strict, others pretty lax
@@chrisevans2645 I don't claim to be an expert on the Amish, but I have read the same thing, a lot of the way they do things depends on the interpretations of the local bishops. In some places, electricity is considered to be the evil to avoid, so the Amish furniture builders in that area take the electric motors off the woodworking equipment in their shops and replace them with pneumatic or hydraulic motors, powered by diesel driven compressors or hydraulic pumps. In other areas, the bishop holds that its isn't electricity, per se, that is to be avoided, but being connected and dependent on the outside "English" world, in those communities, they leave the electric motors in their table saws, and just run them off diesel generators.
@@chrisevans2645, After reading a couple comments, I was thinking that in Ohio we have Amish and Mennonites and I’m not real sure how to tell them apart, so I might have been around Mennonites when I heard that about owning and using equipment. I wasn’t aware that different areas had different opinions based on the local church or Bishops opinion.
I strapped an electric tram motor on the old family mill. Cheaper to run and i don't need to wear muffs around the mill anymore. But that's not for everyone. We're in Europe and my brother has an electric farm on a sliver of terrain along the road, so "free" power.
If he has any questions I’m sure Scott from the UA-cam fame of Bus Grease Monkey would have any knowledge he needs. Dudes a wizard keeping these old detroits running.
...eighteen wheels a rollin as I head it on to the interstate I've got thirteen hours to make my destination and I don't want to stop to check my weight. There won't be no sleep for me tonight, no, I've gotta be hitting Tulsa by first morning light!
Gimmy motors when used as a stationary engine are best run full noise. You run them anywhere in between you get problems! That information came from a 50 year veteran in the mining industry over here. They were a popular engine amongst truckies over here & started to die-off in the early 80's due to fuel prices. Emission laws are what eventually killed an otherwise good engine!
Now I have a question Scott, could Matthew have put a 3 phase Motor powered by a generator? How would that be better/worse than a the engine now. (This isn’t to say that the diesel engine is a bad way to go, I personally love it. But wondering if someone could do it with a 3 phase motor )
When someone calls me a boy I ask them how big do they grow men where you come from. In the southeast being called a boy in the wrong context is an insult.
Its kind of funny when you compare to all the auto talk about 4-500hp engines with 4-500 ft# torque..... Would be interesting to hear a little bit about the efficiency of these older engines, as in x gallon/s per hour of run time.
Sounds like it belongs in a plane. I just read an article that 2 stroke engines are popular for light aircraft because the offer more power and less weight. I don't think this 2 stroke diesel is light enough for air travel. (g)
8:34 - suck, squish, bang, blow - a two-stroke combines suck and squish and then does bang and blow on the other stroke. Love from an engineer in Detroit that is the grandson of an engineer who worked for Detroit Diesel probably around the time this engine was made.
Simply the greatest diesel in world history and the BEST! Real diesels are 2 stroke ALWAYS! 😋 These are what is known as Clark cycle 2 stroke engines and are valve-uni-flow scavenged. I also have a super rare Day cycle 4-51 Detroit with NO valves that is loop scavenged exactly like a gas 2 stroke spark ignition engine but a diesel. These are loop scavenged with intake ports on one side of the cylinder and exhaust ports on the other side. They run great as well. They only made these in 2 (2-51) and 4 (4-51) cylinder versions. They only have one rocker per cylinder, for each injector, while the Clark cycle ones have 3 rockers per cylinder-center one for each injector, right and left numbers one and 3 rockers fir the valves. One for each exhaust valve in older 2 valve engines and one fir each 2 valves with a bridge over them to actuate bolt valves off each rocker in the later 4 valve per cylinder engines made for increased air flow. They are mechanical works of art and the best running engines in history. And YES, they are more efficient than 4 stroke diesels, despite what some may think. A well tuned Detroit will NOT smoke. All 4 stroke diesels are prone to pooe combustion and smoking. Detroit diesels are pure genius derived from a 2 stroke Elmore gasoline car engine made in 1912, the year GM bought them out because they were simply WAY too good and reliable! So you are seeing a continuation of an Elmore engine design here! 😋 BEST DIESELS EVER, PERIOD! 👍🏻🤘🤘🤘👌👌👌
Tell that man if and when he has to rebuild get speed of air piston s on it and gapless ring s he will have more torque save fuel to you look all the info on speed of air piston you will be interested
@jamiefraser3814 hate about what? That I'm pointing out that he's constantly reminding us he built a saw mill? Or the fact he's calling the other gentleman in the video a boy? Or making sly remarks when he said, "oh I didn't have a drill press when I made the saw mill, I had to use a plasma cutter when I made it". I use to like this channel until it started becoming a channel for advertisement by a egotistic showoff.
I can't tell you how happy this video makes me. A Detroit Diesel (best diesel ever made!), a Mark 3 pump and a man who knows about and appreciates both. Classic machinery still being out to use, gotta love it.
That's like saying Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer is the best beer ever made. Everyone has a favorite.
YEE! 👍🏻 read my comment above!!! 🤘
@@americanangler94559 Yeah, Detroit is the best if by "best" you mean "cheapest" or maybe "loudest" or "leakiest". They were put in everything back in the day because they were cheap, no other reason.
Love the man from 1:30 onward. Puts gaze on the intake. Checks oil pressure. So much more aware than all the "will it run" vids on other channels.
Being an operating engineer its so nice to stumble upon a channel where someone actually knows hand signals and terminology for picking and setting something !!!!!! Bravo good sir you have earned another subscriber!!!
Your channel is so heartfelt. The zest you have for hard work and life in general is so uplifting. Keep up the great content.
I love listening to both of you converse. I very much enjoy how you have no desire to appear knowledgeable or like an expert on all topics, and let your 'guest' speak on topics he is passionate about. Many people feel the need to jump in all the time to appear intelligent, and it takes a confident man to simply listen.
This video was more interesting to me than most. It brought back memories of logging our 40 acres in Sluth Carolina when I was a kid. I used to watch the guys make lumber, mountains of sawdust and piles of slabs with this style of sawmill.
Excellent video and what a great story. It's very satisfying to watch a homemade sawmill work so well! What a wealth of knowledge...
Matthew, Love your insights and methodical approach to problem solving. Thanks for letting us tag along.
Love an old school circular mill .
Brings back memories .
You guys needed one of those big iron worker spikes to help align those holes.
The local sawmill got here in the 60's around 66.It was a Frick and would cut 24 foot stuff. Had a 4-71 GM two valve that was made from 1950 to 52 according to the numbers. Pulled the main saw, edger and a cuttoff off a line shaft. We were still in high school and ran the mill after school till dark-30. We graduated in 69. The grandson still runs it but has a 6-71 on it but still has that 4-71 that needs a bottom end overhaul but still runs. A GM has the ideal governor response to keep the blade at a steady speed opposed to a 4-cycle. It'll do well. God Bless Yall
My grandfather would love this. Can’t beat old tech.
This is so cool--and terrifying to watch in operation! Stay safe and can't wait to see the upgrade being put to work.
We had a 671 running our 56” frick sawmill. Reworked the governor to hold rpm. After sawing poplar gpa put a red oak on the carriage and cut into it at the same rate. With a thwoooong the blade stopped in the cut, all 6 giant v belts started smoking, my dad scrambled to disengage the clutch and shut it down. Good times
Great video. Long since retired diesel mechanic, worked on many Detroit engines. Great power!
That's pretty awesome knowing where your old mill is!
And that you have a relationship with the new owner.
KUTGW
my grandfather s sawmill sounds just about the same...a 3000cc diesel engine that always performed and its pinned in the yard on a concrete piedestal ..there was no electricity in the 40s..and it did the job
My grandfather ran a sawmill and feed store next to my dad's house. They used a supercharged 4v71. That thing would bellow, and probably explains why I love the sound of them as an adult.
Do you mean turbocharged? All 2 stroke diesels have a blower, which is often repurposed as a supercharger on hotrods. A 2 stroke diesel needs this blower to run since there is no vacuum to pull air into the cylinder. The engine is still considered to be naturally aspirated because the blower is sized and geared to match the displacement of the engine. They did have turbocharged versions as well which would be in addition to the blower.
@@chrisevans2645 no, my dad said it was supercharged. Which he's a 40yr GM diesel tech. I'm sure he said it just to say what it was, not as to say it as it was something added on. That wasn't the thing to do back in the mid 80s, at least not on a family owned sawmill. The conversation came up because about a decade ago, some preservation society bought the old sawmill but never did anything with it. They, in the last 9 months or so offered my dad to buy it back and that's when I asked questions about it. I was like 2/3 years old at the time but I remember the bellow of the sawmill. My dad's house was right next to his parent's house and that Detroit screamed when they would cut logs.
I run my mill with an old cat diesel, it does pretty good. But all the videos I watch of Detroits running mills, that is THEE sawmill power unit, they are so snappy responsive!
History is our most reliable teacher. If we know our history ,we will be able to apply it and learn more.
Good work by good people.
The Kershaw ballast regulator (railroad) that I ran had a Detroit diesel. That thing ran flawlessly summer and winter.
I got a van with a detroit diesel in it. the old but gold 6.2!
I asked about these old diesels once and one guy simply said.
They are old, they are inefficient, they are loud, but they do not die and they have a roar like nothing else and that i can attest to.
My love for diesels have grown greatly after getting my old 6.2, they have a massive attitude!
The 6.2 is a 4 stroke engine, a real boat anchor.
If it does what you need more power to you. But most people dislike those 6.2! They are not anything like a 2 stroke.
@@alexmatthews2332 you are one hundred percent right. these 6.2s are not a Powerhouse or a proper Detroit in that sense, but its very popular in Norway.
You boys got a green/yellow leaker, a Honda, 2 stroke joke, i worked in a Eng shop, did 2 engines a week, a kid bolted them to a Dyno, ran them for 15 minutes, each and every one had a drip on the tube, and the noise, crazy.
Everything fron a 2 cyl to a V12 53 to 92 series. Dont miss em, but they we simple, not a 100 sensors like our Tier 4s of yoday.
What a great video and discussion!
Two takeaways from this video
1) The Essential Handyman only hangs with guys with suspenders
2) Even if it's 86 degrees and Brady has a sheen, he is still cool under pressure having his work videoed for the masses.
Absolutely good times
Great video! They don’t make engines like that one anymore!
Nice.
😂 i live in southern oregon and im a sweater. Im so poaching "i have a pretty low boiling point" thats perfect
hi there nice show . bet to all john
I used to fly an ultralight that used two of those mark 3 water pump engines. (The airplane was a Lazair) They are Rotax 185 - two stroke engines. Each puts out 9.5 hp.
wow that looks like it's cutting wayyyyy faster
Good sounding Detroit! It's not going to be a beast for sure but better than a small block Chevy!
Thanks for the awesome content and all the amazing videos!!
Nice Toys 😁
That thing purrrrs!👍🏻👏
It’s a beast 👍👍👍
Just about every Amish sawmill here in Northern NY is driven by old Detroit diesels. Inexpensive to buy, easy to get parts for, and easy to keep running. It surprises people that those Amish sawyers are good mechanics, but they have to be, and they are.
I live around Amish and I'm not surprised. Many people have many misconceptions about the Amish. Most of the Amish men in my area work as carpenters and day labor. Lots of roofing, painting, anything. They use power tools while working out in the world but never at home.
@@SebastianKrabs, The explanation I got on a job site where Amish men (and their young boys) were roofing a house in a new development and they were using a power lift on a ladder, was that they could use power equipment as long as they don’t own it.
@@Hoaxer51it all depends on the bishops. Some are allowed to own the equipment but not use it, others use it but not own, some can do both. Some districts are really strict, others pretty lax
@@chrisevans2645 I don't claim to be an expert on the Amish, but I have read the same thing, a lot of the way they do things depends on the interpretations of the local bishops. In some places, electricity is considered to be the evil to avoid, so the Amish furniture builders in that area take the electric motors off the woodworking equipment in their shops and replace them with pneumatic or hydraulic motors, powered by diesel driven compressors or hydraulic pumps. In other areas, the bishop holds that its isn't electricity, per se, that is to be avoided, but being connected and dependent on the outside "English" world, in those communities, they leave the electric motors in their table saws, and just run them off diesel generators.
@@chrisevans2645, After reading a couple comments, I was thinking that in Ohio we have Amish and Mennonites and I’m not real sure how to tell them apart, so I might have been around Mennonites when I heard that about owning and using equipment. I wasn’t aware that different areas had different opinions based on the local church or Bishops opinion.
They ran the same engine in the Minneapolis Moline and a cleat track great engine I've had them in boats only 120hp but big horses not pony's
I strapped an electric tram motor on the old family mill. Cheaper to run and i don't need to wear muffs around the mill anymore. But that's not for everyone. We're in Europe and my brother has an electric farm on a sliver of terrain along the road, so "free" power.
Very cool video!!!
Old Detroit's are the best! Fill it up with oil and check the fuel.
Making 'cants' has never been easier with that big diesel engine! Happy milling.
Wow, it’s already that cold up there?
If he has any questions I’m sure Scott from the UA-cam fame of Bus Grease Monkey would have any knowledge he needs. Dudes a wizard keeping these old detroits running.
...eighteen wheels a rollin as I head it on to the interstate
I've got thirteen hours to make my destination and I don't want to stop to check my weight.
There won't be no sleep for me tonight, no, I've gotta be hitting Tulsa by first morning light!
That old motor will puke oil everywhere but will NEVER fail you 😊. I work on the v16 version in locomotives Super super dependable
Awesome engine easy to work on and parts are always available.
Ohh the detroit guys will love it.
If you contact a muffler manufacturer,you can buy a muffler that makes running a Detroit a pleasure. Not a hearing wrecker.
As I was watching this video, I noticed my computer started to leak oil?.
@@joefalmo5528 long as it's leaking it's got oil lol
Lol
Gimmy motors when used as a stationary engine are best run full noise. You run them anywhere in between you get problems! That information came from a 50 year veteran in the mining industry over here. They were a popular engine amongst truckies over here & started to die-off in the early 80's due to fuel prices. Emission laws are what eventually killed an otherwise good engine!
Now I have a question Scott, could Matthew have put a 3 phase Motor powered by a generator? How would that be better/worse than a the engine now.
(This isn’t to say that the diesel engine is a bad way to go, I personally love it. But wondering if someone could do it with a 3 phase motor )
One thing about Detroit Diesels is when they stop leaking oil...they are out of oil.
You need one more arrow on the thumbnail. 😜
Greetings from Palau!Liking first then watch!!! ❤
That's not a boy. He's a grown man.
When someone calls me a boy I ask them how big do they grow men where you come from. In the southeast being called a boy in the wrong context is an insult.
@@MRBoatwrightslike u, little mind, little boy , little tool😢
@@MRBoatwrights thats right.
Great video. All that dry grass around the job site is a fire hazard. Get it mowed!
You love that GM for power.
Honest layman's question here: With a sawmill like this, how common is kickback? And if it happens, how bad does it get?
Its kind of funny when you compare to all the auto talk about 4-500hp engines with 4-500 ft# torque.....
Would be interesting to hear a little bit about the efficiency of these older engines, as in x gallon/s per hour of run time.
ALSO a LOT of WW-2 stuff was running GM engines. Look it up!
Explain to that man that he needs to be on UA-cam… Great content as always
Check out Andy's Little Homestead. He has a detroit powered radial sawmill in michigan. Great channel especially for a laugh.
You will like the 471 Detroit sweet sawmill setup!
I cut many board feet with a Jimmy and a Frick sawmill..
Did you ever turn a profit on your saw mill, or was it a labor of love?
back when things were still built to last
So Mr. Matthew Brady finally gave up on the photography thing I see.
Wanted to see the drive train between the diesel & the sawmill. Next video please?
One more thing word of advice get rid of Fram filters they are junk go to Napa get filters get there brand of filters
Sounds like it belongs in a plane. I just read an article that 2 stroke engines are popular for light aircraft because the offer more power and less weight. I don't think this 2 stroke diesel is light enough for air travel. (g)
Google spud wrench or alignment spud
U tube is being good to ya
They can run backwards too
Is that electric fuel pump a high pressure pump? That engine needs 60 psi at speed or it will be low on power .
8:34 - suck, squish, bang, blow - a two-stroke combines suck and squish and then does bang and blow on the other stroke. Love from an engineer in Detroit that is the grandson of an engineer who worked for Detroit Diesel probably around the time this engine was made.
Not a lot of horsepower there. Its a 2 stroke so it will have to be ran almost wide open all the time.
Simply the greatest diesel in world history and the BEST! Real diesels are 2 stroke ALWAYS! 😋 These are what is known as Clark cycle 2 stroke engines and are valve-uni-flow scavenged. I also have a super rare Day cycle 4-51 Detroit with NO valves that is loop scavenged exactly like a gas 2 stroke spark ignition engine but a diesel. These are loop scavenged with intake ports on one side of the cylinder and exhaust ports on the other side. They run great as well. They only made these in 2 (2-51) and 4 (4-51) cylinder versions. They only have one rocker per cylinder, for each injector, while the Clark cycle ones have 3 rockers per cylinder-center one for each injector, right and left numbers one and 3 rockers fir the valves. One for each exhaust valve in older 2 valve engines and one fir each 2 valves with a bridge over them to actuate bolt valves off each rocker in the later 4 valve per cylinder engines made for increased air flow. They are mechanical works of art and the best running engines in history. And YES, they are more efficient than 4 stroke diesels, despite what some may think. A well tuned Detroit will NOT smoke. All 4 stroke diesels are prone to pooe combustion and smoking. Detroit diesels are pure genius derived from a 2 stroke Elmore gasoline car engine made in 1912, the year GM bought them out because they were simply WAY too good and reliable! So you are seeing a continuation of an Elmore engine design here! 😋 BEST DIESELS EVER, PERIOD! 👍🏻🤘🤘🤘👌👌👌
My son went to OSU with Matt
Tell him Brady says “hi”.
That aint a hammer, it's a yankee screwdriver !!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
And now he will be deaf the rest of his life!
About 7.72L for the real world.
No explosion. It's combustion.
Correction impressed with gapless rings and speed of air pistons
Only thing is, you left too quick with the video. Could have been a 2-hour enjoyable video easily. Lots of connection work to do yet! Thanks.
Tell that man if and when he has to rebuild get speed of air piston s on it and gapless ring s he will have more torque save fuel to you look all the info on speed of air piston you will be interested
You would be better off with a 5 hp Briggs lawn mower engine
This is going to be Whistlindiesel in 30 years
it ain't a MOTOR and it ain't Deetroit
That doesn't seem to be as efficient or as safe as the more modern band-saw style saw mill like Matt Cremona uses.
Dang dude. Ok we get it. You built a portable sawmill. When will you give it up.
Go touch grass moran
Inside voice DUDE! Hater’s going to hate!
@PsychoSinterklaas coming from you who can't spell "MORON" correctly?
@jamiefraser3814 hate about what? That I'm pointing out that he's constantly reminding us he built a saw mill? Or the fact he's calling the other gentleman in the video a boy? Or making sly remarks when he said, "oh I didn't have a drill press when I made the saw mill, I had to use a plasma cutter when I made it". I use to like this channel until it started becoming a channel for advertisement by a egotistic showoff.
You seem upset?