Both the American and Soviet rocket programs were started by captured German scientists. The old joke is that when Sputnik and Explorer passed each other in space, they exchanged greetings in German.
American and Russian rocket programs started in pre-WW1 period. You don't know about R. Goddard? You don't know about works of Pomortsev, Trofimov, Makhonin, Hezhdanovskiy, Tsiolkovslkiy, Korolev, Glushko, before WW2? Korolev created many rockets in pre-war period, "212", "207", etc. You sure, about Soviet rocket program?
Yes it really was . Check out so many inventions "made " shortly after WWII, Semiconductors, Night vision, Lasers,Wire Guided missiles etc. Oh don't forget the Uranium A-bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Which was never tested in the US and only a few months before the US had said , we will never have enough Uranium in time so we will build a Plutonium bomb? Which they tested and dropped on Nagasaki.
I’m sitting in my Brooklyn apartment as I’m watching this... fascinating/terrifying to think about a missile travelling all this way during that period.
I noticed that, as well. I wonder how much of that is convergent evolution imposed by aerodynamics and how much of that comes from common designers or from borrowing.
UA-cam doesn't care as long as Mark doesn't say anything bad about Stalin. We're supposed to pretend that ol' Joe was a good guy and socialism is a great idea.
So the "volunteer" pilot would bail out of the missile and land in the enemy city that he just destroyed. Im sure the local inhabitants would not welcome him very kindly.
Yeah. The whole bailing out thing was probably just to avoid calling it a suicide weapon. Like the Fiesler V1 that you could supposedly bail out of but in practice survival was unlikely.
Given the speeds involved, he'd bail out quite some distance away. Though given the trajectories involved, it might well be over the Atlantic ocean, not the best place to await rescue (probably they intended to use submarines to pick up the pilots and take them home) or capture.
Not really ahead of its time. All the major players in WW2 had everything they needed to make advanced, very deadly and highly accurate weapons - but not too many were able to put 2 and 2 together. America did and won by gettin' the Bomb done first.
The multistage rocket design would evolve to the Saturn V and land man on the moon on July 20, 1969. I built a model of the Saturn V at 12 years old in 1969 and witnessed the moon mission at the same time. Thanks to the German team that aided USA in this effort.
I used to go to the History Channel on TV to see documentaries about WW2 and militaria in general. Now the TV channel only does shows about people who live in swamps and tow truck operators and the rich housewives of Miami. Thanks for stepping into the void.
Nazi Germany had a multi-stage intercontinental ballistic missile under development. Nazi Germany had a low-grade nuclear program in progress. Nazi Germany had low-detectability jet-powered flying wings under development. Nazi Germany had at least two spaceplane designs (the A-9 & Eugen Sänger's). Does anyone realize just how close we were to a very, VERY different world?
Thank you Mark, utterly fascinating! Now I know why Von Braun's designs for Disney's 1955 'Man in Space' look the way they do. They're echos of the A4-B!
Conveniently for von braun, there wasnt very much difference between military rocket development and civilian rocket development. Quite handy to solve multiple needs with one design principle!
Woah. 6 seconds after upload. I will take this time to say, that you are one of the best internet historian, and your videos are very enjoyable to watch.
Fabulous. Have seen all this in bits for decades but good to see it so well presented in one go. A 10 fuel as diesel oil and nitric acid was new however. Great stuff.
@@StalinTheMan0fSteel I also remember one guy from the 80s trying to get private boosters launched in Kenya. He was a german entrepreneur and used nitric acid and kerosene. Nothing came of it though.
Given how long it took both the Soviets and US to build ICBMs *with German help* I'm very dubious that this would have worked on the proposed timetable.
AirEstes's History :- Hitler was against any suicide weapons, so the engineers had to include a method for the pilot to survive, even if the success of ejection was minimal. Even the America bomber had to have a plan to save the crew...no one way trips.
Just imagine if Hitler didn't attack Russia. Used all resources together developing nuclear weapons. Actually had an active Aircraft carrier. Didn't fire, kill, demote his best generals. Or if the V1 and V2 was developed a little bit longer. Oh yeah and the jet technology. One more year or two and everything would have been a different story. The world really is lucky
Always thought this. Could have consolidated, forced Britain to surrender. Ultimately though Hitler knew he was short of time, he felt if he lost the momentum and the element of striking first then events would turn against him. You can see from his perspective why he would feel so bold after the fall of France, the retreat of Britain...
hitler attacked russia partly because he needed recources because germany hardly had anything so they also couldn't build thousands of "wunderwaffen" even if they wanted to
According to Wikipedia the V program cost the Germans 50% more than the Manhattan project cost the Americans. It did almost no military damage. Of the V2 alone more than 5200 have been build. Each for the price of a high end fighter. Each v2 Lauch needed alcohol, that took 30 Tons of potato’s to be fermented. So, if spend on fighters for instance the bombing of Gemany would have been catastrophic for the allies. The same is true for the big warships, for each Bismarck and Tirpitz, Prinz Eugen and Scharnhorst they could have build scores of Uboats. Far more dangerous to shipping and available in 1940 when it mattered most. German high command made a lot of decisions that lucky for us made them lose the war. Interestingly, the development of these Wunder weapons did likely do more damage to the German war economy than a lot of the bombing.
This is one more but not to be neglected lesson of Mark Felton's videos; the sheer amount of guys who earnestly think they had a grip on everything about WWII...
Thomas Dawes I guess I was luckier than you in the range of books in my village library as I read about the A9/A10 concept back in the late 70s/early 80s as they had an encyclopedia of WW2 that mentioned this combination.
My grandfather was a staff sergeant in the luftwaffe and commanded in fall 1944 to the excercice course for becoming a pilot for rhe A9. He told our family only one time at a birthday party about this time. He showed us his war journal and explained a lot. So i know where was the training area and other details. It was not Peenemünde. In January 1945 the luftwaffe dropped this project and the pilots where sent to other duty. For my grandfather the war ended on112.05. close to Olmütz in Bohemia where he survived the last tank battle of the war un europe. I cant tell you mark...
Its mind blowing how far ahead of the rest of the world they were and they almost had the nuclear bomb to put in it, How different would history have been then
Germany was never even close to get a nuclear weapon. German scientist conaidered it a waste of time. They were focusing on getting a workable reactor but did not mearly have enough funding.
Too many ironies in this video. On a non related side note; even old black&white Nazy films we can see the curvature of our ROUND earth. Love your videos.
Brilliant! Loved this, really great info 👍 very well researched. My in laws live by the site in Chiswick, the first V2 hitting London, that’s what made me research into V2’s!
It's utterly terrifying just how close they came.... I love this channel so much... I don't Patreon very much but I think I'll make an exception for yours.
General Walter Dornberger design the rocket he told me when I meet him in 1979 when he lived in El Chante closed to Guadalajara, Mexico, von Braun was the expert in combustion. Martin Dygula German citizen.
Imagine the history books reluctantly listing Nazi Germany as first in space and first man in space. Perhaps changing the importance of the later Cold War space race.
Another year or two of Germany staying in the war - possibly by defeating the landings at Normandy, maintaining a defensive strategy with no Kursk/Zitadelle offensive in mid '43, capturing Malta in '42 or Hitler dies before 1944, allowing the war to be managed by the army might have seen some objectively stunning developments in warfare technology.
The Germans were the first to make inroads into space, they did this in 1918 with the Pariser kanone which had a super long range of approx 121Km. Its shells were the first man made objects to enter space.
Love watching your videos,very informative and is like. A documentary I absolutely love what you do, please keep producing content as such for a good while. You got a voice for this kind of work.
American officer: We're almost done with your debriefing. Just one thing we found, what is the America rocket? Von Brown: Errrrmmm it was a gift, yes a gift! For ... peace... 😬
I'll never understand how one guy can make better content in every regard to the entirety of mass media. Good bloody work.
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Congratulations to Mark Felton!
‘’I aimed for the moon but hit London’’-von Braun
"I just send 'em up, but where they come down, that's not my department!", said Werner Von Braun....Tom Lehrer
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Often! [Got the right comment now.]
BRUH !
Sounds like a Rock&Roll Lyric lolololololololololol
Wow, they actually intended to recover the booster stage. In the 1940s. Impressive.
Both the American and Soviet rocket programs were started by captured German scientists. The old joke is that when Sputnik and Explorer passed each other in space, they exchanged greetings in German.
American and Russian rocket programs started in pre-WW1 period. You don't know about R. Goddard? You don't know about works of Pomortsev, Trofimov, Makhonin, Hezhdanovskiy, Tsiolkovslkiy, Korolev, Glushko, before WW2? Korolev created many rockets in pre-war period, "212", "207", etc. You sure, about Soviet rocket program?
USSR: Make more
Germany: Make bigger
I think you got US and USSR wrong. US had the best economy in the world at the time and was able to consistently fight on two fronts.
France: Make white flags
USA: mount MG's
France: make it faster on reverse xD ....JK
@@kyleshuler2929 HA! My laugh of the day! Thanks!
The German technology was that far advanced it was frightening really
Yes it really was . Check out so many inventions "made " shortly after WWII, Semiconductors, Night vision, Lasers,Wire Guided missiles etc. Oh don't forget the Uranium A-bomb dropped on Hiroshima. Which was never tested in the US and only a few months before the US had said , we will never have enough Uranium in time so we will build a Plutonium bomb? Which they tested and dropped on Nagasaki.
These videos get me through work on a daily basis.
I’m sitting in my Brooklyn apartment as I’m watching this... fascinating/terrifying to think about a missile travelling all this way during that period.
The manned version front section looks quite like the X-15.
I noticed that, as well. I wonder how much of that is convergent evolution imposed by aerodynamics and how much of that comes from common designers or from borrowing.
for good reason :) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Dornberger
X15 look like A0
Mark felton: mentions Hitler
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His work is more valuable than UA-cam's net worth
Not to worry. It's not like those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it.
You are free to mention the Bolsheviks though, their descendants created Google and run UA-cam.
UA-cam doesn't care as long as Mark doesn't say anything bad about Stalin. We're supposed to pretend that ol' Joe was a good guy and socialism is a great idea.
“Here’s your problem. You’ve got some things that happened in the past in your history video.”
So the "volunteer" pilot would bail out of the missile and land in the enemy city that he just destroyed. Im sure the local inhabitants would not welcome him very kindly.
'Anyone have water? I'm a little dehydrated. The air is dry and hot.'
He could say he defected, but the rocket didn't.
Bail out of the missile over the Atlantic after reaching a certain altitude then later picked up by a u-boat would be more realistic.
Yeah. The whole bailing out thing was probably just to avoid calling it a suicide weapon. Like the Fiesler V1 that you could supposedly bail out of but in practice survival was unlikely.
Given the speeds involved, he'd bail out quite some distance away. Though given the trajectories involved, it might well be over the Atlantic ocean, not the best place to await rescue (probably they intended to use submarines to pick up the pilots and take them home) or capture.
Mr Felton never fails to deliver a world class product. Goodbye history channel and hello MF Productions
Amazing, ahead of it's time, completly impractical and a waste of resources. A by the books wunderwaffe.
While true, this whole war was a waste of resources.
nem bene Not so much a waste of resources. It tested the limits of modern day jet aircraft, and many other discoveries were effects of WW2
stay mad tommy
Not really ahead of its time. All the major players in WW2 had everything they needed to make advanced, very deadly and highly accurate weapons - but not too many were able to put 2 and 2 together. America did and won by gettin' the Bomb done first.
@@kristiankonig3195 Yes, much like your post. Ahem.
The multistage rocket design would evolve to the Saturn V and land man on the moon on July 20, 1969. I built a model of the Saturn V at 12 years old in 1969 and witnessed the moon mission at the same time. Thanks to the German team that aided USA in this effort.
This is undoubtedly one of the most interesting topics covered on this channel, and that's saying something.
School should used your videos! They are precise and very entertaining
. School isn't about education.
It's about indoctrination
Mad Mando but Dr Felton says the H word! (Hitler.)
@@MartintheTinman speak for yourself libertarian.
I have no idea how schools can use this when most students lack basic historical knowledge.
There is a VW Bug parked on the dark side of the moon.
I used to go to the History Channel on TV to see documentaries about WW2 and militaria in general. Now the TV channel only does shows about people who live in swamps and tow truck operators and the rich housewives of Miami. Thanks for stepping into the void.
Elon Musk: I make the coolest reusable rockets
Wehrner von Braun: Laughs in german
Amazing how they could still manufacture such complicated weapons that late in the war.
The Jerries out here playing Kerbal Space Program before it was cool
Another 'revelation'... had seen the drawings but never any footage of the A-4B...
Great stuff Mark !.
Imagine sending exploding rockets to someone & be offered a job
Ciuy R hope it pays good! Lmao!
Its crazy they guided these rockets with no computers and only gyroscopes. Amazing as hell.
Nazi Germany had a multi-stage intercontinental ballistic missile under development. Nazi Germany had a low-grade nuclear program in progress. Nazi Germany had low-detectability jet-powered flying wings under development. Nazi Germany had at least two spaceplane designs (the A-9 & Eugen Sänger's). Does anyone realize just how close we were to a very, VERY different world?
This channel is more information than found on cable TV, Fascinating.
Soon UA-cam will become the new cable.
We love your videos here in Singapore Mark. Also, none of your videos are blocked either, which is really cool.
Mate i just want to say thank you. Thank you for making such amazing content. I hope you continue to be successful. :)
""Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down?
That's not my department" say Wernher von Braun."
Thank you Mark, utterly fascinating! Now I know why Von Braun's designs for Disney's 1955 'Man in Space' look the way they do. They're echos of the A4-B!
Conveniently for von braun, there wasnt very much difference between military rocket development and civilian rocket development.
Quite handy to solve multiple needs with one design principle!
Woah. 6 seconds after upload. I will take this time to say, that you are one of the best internet historian, and your videos are very enjoyable to watch.
War Thunder Guy that’s a very nice Mig 29 you got there
ua-cam.com/users/TheImperatorKnight If you're interrested in good historical WWII videos...
9:51 the X-15 if I ever saw it....almost exactly the same profile.
Fabulous. Have seen all this in bits for decades but good to see it so well presented in one go. A 10 fuel as diesel oil and nitric acid was new however. Great stuff.
The Soviet "Nedalin disaster" was "Demon Venom" Hydrazine & Nitric Acid. 😈🔥
StalinTheMan0fSteel that stuff is still used today with minimal changes. Nasty, horrible stuff, but it gets the job done.
@@StalinTheMan0fSteel I also remember one guy from the 80s trying to get private boosters launched in Kenya. He was a german entrepreneur and used nitric acid and kerosene. Nothing came of it though.
I have a scar on my knee from a V2 that fell short of its target on 2nd October 1944.
Fun fact, many fell short due to british double agents tricking rocket engineers with false reports that they were falling long
That’s very interesting. Whereabouts where you at the time?
How it happened?
Congratulations on your narrow escape
I use to be a rocket scientist.... then i took a V2 to the knee...
Very interesting, I didn't know the Germans went that high so long ago.
And your German sounds quite acceptable in this one! Thanks.
Your german pronounciation is really good, keep it going!
same as for any other language. he does his research!
76 years later, we still don’t have a missile that can fire a passenger at America.
Ahh yes, my daily dose of history!
The Germans could have easily been the first to put a man (or Teutonic Knight) in space.
It's not realistic. Not a more realistic than "American put a man in space in 1940th" or "Russian put a man in space in 1940th".
Thank you so much for this video. I have wanted information on the America Rocket for a very long while! Greatly enjoyed it.
*Sees new Mark Felton video*-*Clicks on like button on autopilot*
Fantastic information and awesome narration. Thanks once again mark felton
Given how long it took both the Soviets and US to build ICBMs *with German help* I'm very dubious that this would have worked on the proposed timetable.
Help... Not control
Ma Gr granted the Nazis used slave labor to assemble the V2s, so they may have done it faster
Awesome work as usual, Dr Felton! I can’t believe they would expect the rocket pilot to eject!
AirEstes's History :- Hitler was against any suicide weapons, so the engineers had to include a method for the pilot to survive, even if the success of ejection was minimal. Even the America bomber had to have a plan to save the crew...no one way trips.
Ejection systems were not necessary. The A 10 would have burned up on re-entry.
Why would that be a problem? At that stage the rocket would be a glider and will probably be going at a sub-sonic speed.
Just imagine if Hitler didn't attack Russia. Used all resources together developing nuclear weapons. Actually had an active Aircraft carrier. Didn't fire, kill, demote his best generals. Or if the V1 and V2 was developed a little bit longer. Oh yeah and the jet technology. One more year or two and everything would have been a different story. The world really is lucky
Always thought this. Could have consolidated, forced Britain to surrender. Ultimately though Hitler knew he was short of time, he felt if he lost the momentum and the element of striking first then events would turn against him. You can see from his perspective why he would feel so bold after the fall of France, the retreat of Britain...
Hitler invaded the Soviet Union out of necessity, you should learn more about the reasons behind WW2 before you start your alternate history fantasy.
hitler attacked russia partly because he needed recources because germany hardly had anything so they also couldn't build thousands of "wunderwaffen" even if they wanted to
Holy crap! Dr Felton you are more than great!!!
According to Wikipedia the V program cost the Germans 50% more than the Manhattan project cost the Americans. It did almost no military damage. Of the V2 alone more than 5200 have been build. Each for the price of a high end fighter. Each v2 Lauch needed alcohol, that took 30 Tons of potato’s to be fermented.
So, if spend on fighters for instance the bombing of Gemany would have been catastrophic for the allies.
The same is true for the big warships, for each Bismarck and Tirpitz, Prinz Eugen and Scharnhorst they could have build scores of Uboats. Far more dangerous to shipping and available in 1940 when it mattered most.
German high command made a lot of decisions that lucky for us made them lose the war. Interestingly, the development of these Wunder weapons did likely do more damage to the German war economy than a lot of the bombing.
Vielen Dank!
Excellent research Mr Felton; thank you once again
Amazing video again mark! I consider myself a geek and I’ve never even heard of this!!
This is one more but not to be neglected lesson of Mark Felton's videos; the sheer amount of guys who earnestly think they had a grip on everything about WWII...
Thomas Dawes I guess I was luckier than you in the range of books in my village library as I read about the A9/A10 concept back in the late 70s/early 80s as they had an encyclopedia of WW2 that mentioned this combination.
My grandfather was a staff sergeant in the luftwaffe and commanded in fall 1944 to the excercice course for becoming a pilot for rhe A9. He told our family only one time at a birthday party about this time. He showed us his war journal and explained a lot. So i know where was the training area and other details. It was not Peenemünde. In January 1945 the luftwaffe dropped this project and the pilots where sent to other duty. For my grandfather the war ended on112.05. close to Olmütz in Bohemia where he survived the last tank battle of the war un europe.
I cant tell you mark...
Another awesome video. Brilliant stuff.
Just wanna say thanks Mark. I love your work
Highly interesting video thanks .
von Bran titled his autobiography "I aim for the stars" and Mort Sahl said it should have been subtitled: But sometimes I miss and hit London.
Were any V-Rockets used on the Eastern front?
Yes, by russians after the war.
Iyan Cetro Doubt it, short range terror weapon.
I don't believe so
i'd like to know too
No
Thanks Mark! Love this one. Especially the discussion of the manned A9/A10 rocket.
Great video, thank you for your good work
Fascinating, as always, Mr. F, thank you! Just curious, were V2s ever deployed on the Eastern front?
Beautiful video. I like to watch the videos about the German army with your amazing research and commentary Dr. Felton. Hello from Zagreb / Croatia
Love your videos, you really cover your subject well.
Yet another AMAZING video! Thanks so much!!
Amazing footage to go along w/ the narration 👍
Its mind blowing how far ahead of the rest of the world they were and they almost had the nuclear bomb to put in it, How different would history have been then
Germany was never even close to get a nuclear weapon. German scientist conaidered it a waste of time. They were focusing on getting a workable reactor but did not mearly have enough funding.
Too many ironies in this video. On a non related side note; even old black&white Nazy films we can see the curvature of our ROUND earth. Love your videos.
Great A4b footage I never knew the Germans actually flew one. Thanks Dr. Felton!
Just clicked off homework to watch this. Thanks for the video!
Best one yet mr Felton
Fascinating technology for the time. Equally fascinating presentation ~
Brilliant! Loved this, really great info 👍 very well researched. My in laws live by the site in Chiswick, the first V2 hitting London, that’s what made me research into V2’s!
Your videos are remarkable. Show a lot of reasearch bith verbally and visually. I always check them out. Among the best!
As a long time follower this is another well-reasoned and well-presented episode of history by someone who cares fir the subject. WELL DONE
Another fascinating video - thanks.
The Kerbal’s would love this rocket design! 😂
I know these sorts of "wonder weapons" documentaries are kinda ludicrous, but I'll be damned if I don't watch one as soon as it's recommended to me xD
At least you know if it's coming from Dr. Felton it's not full of inaccuracies and false claims.
Dont wait til its recommended, Subscribe!
I think we are all fascinated by what might have been.
It's utterly terrifying just how close they came.... I love this channel so much... I don't Patreon very much but I think I'll make an exception for yours.
General Walter Dornberger design the rocket he told me when I meet him in 1979 when he lived in El Chante closed to Guadalajara, Mexico, von Braun was the expert in combustion. Martin Dygula German citizen.
Mark, many thanks for all the amazing work you share on youtube. If we meet, all the beers are on me!
Those guidance systems are impressive. I still find it crazy that they could hit anything from so far away!
I see a new mark Felton video I watch that's all you need to know never disappointed.
Imagine the history books reluctantly listing Nazi Germany as first in space and first man in space. Perhaps changing the importance of the later Cold War space race.
We can only dream about it sadly
They were the first in space, just not to have a person there.
tannks for this mr Felton
Another year or two of Germany staying in the war - possibly by defeating the landings at Normandy, maintaining a defensive strategy with no Kursk/Zitadelle offensive in mid '43, capturing Malta in '42 or Hitler dies before 1944, allowing the war to be managed by the army might have seen some objectively stunning developments in warfare technology.
#1...nice - Mark, love your videos. Best intro music.
Dr Felton could you pls make a video about the first stealth uboat. It was a german typ 7 uboat U-480. It could not be detectec by sonar.
The V2 is still being used today. The Soviets improved the V2 and it is known as SCUD missile.
Can you make a video on the Soviet zond or n1 moon program I love it when you make space videos
I would really be curious to see a story on the XF5U that was cancelled post-war.
Andromeda Gerat is probably the most ambitious of their planned Wunderwaffe.
The Germans were the first to make inroads into space, they did this in 1918 with the Pariser kanone which had a super long range of approx 121Km. Its shells were the first man made objects to enter space.
Love watching your videos,very informative and is like. A documentary I absolutely love what you do, please keep producing content as such for a good while. You got a voice for this kind of work.
Awesome video
Mark Felton video in 2030 looking back on historical Mark Felton videos....
This is my video where I got my millionth subscriber.😉
2:39 looks like the shelters worked.
Sort of knew this story but had no idea of the array of weapons being developed, chilling to think how this story might have ended.
Yes!!! With mechanical controls and guidance system :-)
thumbs up Mark.Did you notice a ww11 pilot died today ,made me think none of this was that long ago.
cheers
THANK YOU Mark for correctly pronouncing "Braun" and not like the amerians with their "Brawn"
American officer: We're almost done with your debriefing. Just one thing we found, what is the America rocket?
Von Brown: Errrrmmm it was a gift, yes a gift! For ... peace... 😬
Thank you Mark.