in the 70's i work many many hours on the Bob Vanvranken restoration of his n3n from the time he found it behind the barn to the day of the first flight!!! What a wonderful experience with many wonderful people!! Thanks for all the knowledge and good times!!
So fun fact, the major way of distinguishing an N3N from an N2S is that the N3N has four ailerons, two on the top wing and two on the bottom. The N2S only has two on the lower wing. That and N3Ns have a bar between the main landing gear whereas the N2S doesn't.
I know a guy who has flown modern aircraft up to and including Boeings. He bought a Pitts Special and promptly ground looped it. Tail draggers are excellent training machines because they make you think. Same for floatplanes.
My freshman algebra and trig prof told me he flew these planes off battleships after his 1934 graduation from the USNA. My father’s commanding officer graduated the same year. Wonder what he flew before guiding the F6F Hellcat flying VF-81 on the Wasp.
We have an N3N at WAAAM (a museum) in Hood River Oregon. It’s even airworthy last I checked. (Been a while) they would sometimes land on the grass with the floats still attached. Cool stuff
Going by the fact it outlasted the Boeing Steerman in service, and a billy sasterd in a Stearman nearly collided with me a couple of years back when it took off without looking to see I was on Final approach, I would suggest there is a strong possibility it would befairly readily restorable if not immediately flyable.
I use to help out Terry and Tom back in the 80's. I have actually flown (not PIC) in the PT-22 they have and I was there when Terry acquired the N3N. It was orginally on wheels and we took it to the annual Evergreen Antique Fly in. We parked it next to Ron Ocks similarly painted N3N and people lost their minds. It was shortly after that when it had the float set installed, it used to be down on the river by the State Police/DMV. Good times!
Just finished reading your book Ed and thoroughly enjoyed. Its a shame there won't be a sequel. Only joking, you've done more than your fair share. Stay safe and keep up the great vlogs.
i don't normally care much about trainer designs but this was a pretty good and very informative video. I had totally forgotten about the "official" naval aircraft factory
I think far too many people dismiss biplanes as anachronisms without realizing things such as the benefits of so much lift.... and without realizing how long the argument of speed vs agility has gone on for, and what shape the argument took back then. addendum: From the depths of hell in silence
@@whyjnot420 Russian nightime flight perfected, flawless mission undetected ! Ah, another man of culture ! :) I wonder if it would be possible to build a STOL biplane today that would have excellent climb and still good enough MPG compared to more modern small aircraft. They have a beauty to them that's hard to explain.
I always thought that everybody from staff to rank & file pilots of modern fighters and stuff, should have to log some time ticking off aerobatics in a reproduction of such a grand old primary training kite. Some of this is from a training video on youtube about inverted spin training. The N3N was the only plane certified for training that maneuver. It's not at all more scary than a regular spin, and the purpose was to repeat it and learn it. The oil system was gravity dependent, the pump drawing from the open sump. After 5-8 seconds inverted, the pump is dry, and you're going to start burning valves and rings. As you're pulling out of the inverted spin, keep the throttle low for a few seconds of your vertical dive and pulling out towards level. If you try to throttle up immediately, your squadron commander will scowl at you because the chief mechanics are scowling at him for all the engines they need to rebuild too soon.
I remember hearing from an N3N pilot that the plane is so sturdy that if you get it going fast then quickly turn it, it will stall when other biplanes might have their wings snap off.
I’ve had 2 flights as a passenger in de Havilland Tiger Moths(an 82 and an 82a) doing aerobatics including loops over Bass Strait, I can only try to imagine what it’s like with 100+ more horsepower!
Lots of planes are beautiful in the air, but I always get a kick out of watching a skilled pilot having fun in a nimble biplane. Some of that old footage almost looked like it was flying backwards and then falling out of the air, only to flip around in a way that seems to defy physics and go right on cruising.
Someone is going to have to explain the N2S nomenclature for the Boeing Stearman to me. Why prefixed with an N instead of B or H? If it's a trainer, why not an N suffix? Colour me confused.
I'll have to check my dad's flight logs, I suspect he flew these in Navy flight school, though he went into the Navy already having his pilot's license.
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Apparently the N3N was designed using the k.i.s.s. acronym, and it worked very well for the Navy. -- K.I.S.S. acronym meaning, "Keep It Simple Stupid", is truly the principle behind for most good design.
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in the 70's i work many many hours on the Bob Vanvranken restoration of his n3n from the time he found it behind the barn to the day of the first flight!!! What a wonderful experience with many wonderful people!! Thanks for all the knowledge and good times!!
So fun fact, the major way of distinguishing an N3N from an N2S is that the N3N has four ailerons, two on the top wing and two on the bottom. The N2S only has two on the lower wing. That and N3Ns have a bar between the main landing gear whereas the N2S doesn't.
I know a guy who has flown modern aircraft up to and including Boeings. He bought a Pitts Special and promptly ground looped it. Tail draggers are excellent training machines because they make you think. Same for floatplanes.
My freshman algebra and trig prof told me he flew these planes off battleships after his 1934 graduation from the USNA. My father’s commanding officer graduated the same year. Wonder what he flew before guiding the F6F Hellcat flying VF-81 on the Wasp.
The N3N is not a "Forgotten Aircraft" in our family. Grandfather was always on about how much better an aircraft it was than the Stearman. ;-)
We have an N3N at WAAAM (a museum) in Hood River Oregon. It’s even airworthy last I checked. (Been a while) they would sometimes land on the grass with the floats still attached. Cool stuff
Going by the fact it outlasted the Boeing Steerman in service, and a billy sasterd in a Stearman nearly collided with me a couple of years back when it took off without looking to see I was on Final approach, I would suggest there is a strong possibility it would befairly readily restorable if not immediately flyable.
WAAAM's N3N is also one of the last original Coast Guard versions.
@@brittboyette8617 yes it is. I used to volunteer a WAAAM a few years back. Loved hanging out there. Life got busy but someday I’ll go back.
I use to help out Terry and Tom back in the 80's. I have actually flown (not PIC) in the PT-22 they have and I was there when Terry acquired the N3N. It was orginally on wheels and we took it to the annual Evergreen Antique Fly in. We parked it next to Ron Ocks similarly painted N3N and people lost their minds. It was shortly after that when it had the float set installed, it used to be down on the river by the State Police/DMV. Good times!
@@brittboyette8617 Awesome.. love that place. Love the PT as well.
Just finished reading your book Ed and thoroughly enjoyed. Its a shame there won't be a sequel. Only joking, you've done more than your fair share. Stay safe and keep up the great vlogs.
I worked on an N3N in 1976. And was given a ride in it as a reward. I was 18 at the time.
i don't normally care much about trainer designs but this was a pretty good and very informative video. I had totally forgotten about the "official" naval aircraft factory
I've been up in an N3N and it's not forgettable for me.
Ah, I love any video that starts w a shot of the Cutlass.
An N3N chases Cary Grant in "North by Northwest", but a Stearman hits the tank truck. I believe only the -3 was certified for inverted spins.
The Warhawk Museum near me has one of these with many of the maintenance panels removed to show the internals. It's a really cool aircraft.
Neat vid Ed . leep up the good work !
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I think far too many people dismiss biplanes as anachronisms without realizing things such as the benefits of so much lift.... and without realizing how long the argument of speed vs agility has gone on for, and what shape the argument took back then.
addendum: From the depths of hell in silence
Bringing the explosive violence
@@seankane8628 Cast their spells, explosive violence.
+1 for understanding the reference though.
@@whyjnot420 Russian nightime flight perfected, flawless mission undetected !
Ah, another man of culture ! :)
I wonder if it would be possible to build a STOL biplane today that would have excellent climb and still good enough MPG compared to more modern small aircraft. They have a beauty to them that's hard to explain.
That was really good thanks, gosh it's hot I'm off for a jump in the sea.
I always thought that everybody from staff to rank & file pilots of modern fighters and stuff, should have to log some time ticking off aerobatics in a reproduction of such a grand old primary training kite.
Some of this is from a training video on youtube about inverted spin training.
The N3N was the only plane certified for training that maneuver.
It's not at all more scary than a regular spin, and the purpose was to repeat it and learn it.
The oil system was gravity dependent, the pump drawing from the open sump. After 5-8 seconds inverted, the pump is dry, and you're going to start burning valves and rings. As you're pulling out of the inverted spin, keep the throttle low for a few seconds of your vertical dive and pulling out towards level.
If you try to throttle up immediately, your squadron commander will scowl at you because the chief mechanics are scowling at him for all the engines they need to rebuild too soon.
I remember hearing from an N3N pilot that the plane is so sturdy that if you get it going fast then quickly turn it, it will stall when other biplanes might have their wings snap off.
5:50 “Stearman”, not “Steadman”. Great video!
steadman...wasn't that Orpah's man toy ?
After military disposal many were converted to Crop Dusters or Forest Firefighting Tankers. Good agile airplane!
I’ve had 2 flights as a passenger in de Havilland Tiger Moths(an 82 and an 82a) doing aerobatics including loops over Bass Strait, I can only try to imagine what it’s like with 100+ more horsepower!
Another really enjoyable video (thanks)
(But 5.55min the Boeing *what* *now* Ed?(
Haha yes, the dangers of word spellchecking just doing its thing without checking with me first.
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Nice video. Thank You. How about one on the Boeing Stearman trainer?
Also, the N3N-3 was approved to get into an inverted flat spin. The N2S/Stearman was not.
And the last one shown features indeed a French registration.
At 4:10.
Yellow Peril. Perfect name.
I had the privilege of riding in one of these beauties.
Lots of planes are beautiful in the air, but I always get a kick out of watching a skilled pilot having fun in a nimble biplane. Some of that old footage almost looked like it was flying backwards and then falling out of the air, only to flip around in a way that seems to defy physics and go right on cruising.
This is like the dh havilland tiger moth
Someone is going to have to explain the N2S nomenclature for the Boeing Stearman to me. Why prefixed with an N instead of B or H? If it's a trainer, why not an N suffix? Colour me confused.
I'll guess it stood for Navy at the time. It's Army equivalent was PT, as in primary trainer. So, there were variants called PT-13 and PT-17 mostly.
There's a privately owned one in Chino Airport, California
I'll have to check my dad's flight logs, I suspect he flew these in Navy flight school, though he went into the Navy already having his pilot's license.
"The only aircraft designed and built by the US government in substantial numbers"
I wonder why.......
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There's no votes to be made if you can't lobby for a factory to be built in the area which elects you or if you can't make a few meag-bucks lobbying for Cronies
@@Farweasel I'd suggest the "I wonder why .......... " was a rhetorical question . You answer is of course correct but the commenter already knew that
Lobbyists shut it down quickly, in the run-up to the feeding frenzy of contractors during the war.
the crop duster in north by northwest
I wonder if the last pilots flying them in 1961 were reluctant to see them go?
Good lookin' bird.
Funny how corporations cry "foul" after lifting their noses at some people when their bellies were full...
Fun video, I had never heard of this plane.
@5:52 - Boeing *Stearman - not ‘Steadman’.
Apparently the N3N was designed using the k.i.s.s. acronym, and it worked very well for the Navy. -- K.I.S.S. acronym meaning, "Keep It Simple Stupid", is truly the principle behind for most good design.
Never heard of it.
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It seems strange that battles and success of WW2 is often due to these bundles of string and canvas...like the silly sword fish
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If your #1 then who is #6? 😆
i love the prisoner reference.. i got lucky and was the first viewer
You should put this on your resume.
Boeing Steadman, it’s what Oprah rides.
Slightly racist nickname but okay