For anyone thinking about attending the seminar with Cade and Cliff, I highly recommend it. I hunted bear with them this spring and learned a lot. It was a great time and I'd be happy to share my experience from the hunter's perspective if anyone is curious.
@@yungskullivan No bear. Cade and I found a monster sow with cubs on day one and we covered a ton of country the rest of the trip looking for a bear. Time management was one of the bigger lessons for me. Seeing how Cliff and Cade break down the day was pretty valuable.
Just listened to this on my 3 mile walk with 35lbs on my back (daily) since February. Drew elk and mule deer archery inColorado. I backpack into wilderness area by my self only mile or two from trailhead while everyone else is going way back in. It’s amazing how many elk and mule deer are not that far up. They are where people are not. Actually going to try spike camping this year. Great podcast keep them coming. 🏹🏹🏔️🌲⛺️
Reminds me of riding in on dirt bikes. Everybody thinks riding a dirtbike in on single track steep and rocky trail with a heavy pack on is easy. Riding in on a dirtbike is at least as hard as walking time wise. So 2 hours on a dirt bike is at least as hard if not harder than 2 hours walking. Its just that you get farther with a dirtbike. Hop off the dirtbike after the ride in, and you are already beat. Then you have to do it in the dark both ways. Sounds similar to riding horseback. Most of us wish we had that option, but sounds like it is way more work than we realize.
Great podcast! I enjoyed the discussion at the end about gear. Here's my opinion....I think folks who are always out there are less obsessed with nice gear because they're always out in it. Does that make sense? A farmer, crop consultant, logger, packer etc. has seen it all. Those folks see some wild things while they are at work. They don't make things any harder or less practical than they need to be. On the other hand, you take a guy like me, that works within the confines of a barbed wire fence and a turnstile, it's different. When you live on a quarter acre lot and you pay homeowners association dues, you might be more inclined to buy nice gear because it makes you feel connected to hunting and the outdoors while you live and work in town. I think some people buy high end stuff because they are filling a void packers, foresters, and ranchers experience daily. If anyone has read this far, thank you!
I hear ya. I also think there is just some entertainment value in it for folks. Not so much in hunting, but in other hobbies I have there is an element of enjoying the research on new stuff. I get it.
Here's my top overrated: 1) A binocular harness. I have one that I like, but they're overrated in my opinion. I actually like straps much better. 2) tactical style scopes. These days we are shooting flatter than ever before and we are overcomplicating shots because we think we need to be able to shoot a bottle cap 600 yards away. 3) rifle covers. We buy all this fancy carbon fiber or cerakote, and high end glass with an awesome warranty and we baby it to death with weight and bulk. Here's my underrated: 1) 2 lens wipes per day. 2) an extra headlamp or battery. It isn't about being able to see as much as it is about being seen. 2) a glove kit including insulated gloves, work gloves, and dishwashing gloves.
I did a horse back ride south of Jackson Hole after visiting Yellowstone. I’ll never forget when got to a big bluff and the guide told us we could ride for 30 days in one direction and never see a fence or road. Wyoming is amazing! He’s a lucky man to see it regularly. Great listen.
Great video and information! I have to disagree on the shooting sticks though. I have found mine worth their weight and made shots out to some long ranges with them. And shooting some extreme angles. But as you said it depends what you practice with. I’ve not shot of a pack much and it would eliminate excess gear. 🤙
Good conversation. Much like the previous discussion, it is surprising as to how many people are scared of the dark. Some may use the rationale that they are stuck in their 9-to-5 routine, but I would wager its more the fear of dark. (This has been my experience with hunting with folks from the East coast on backcountry hunts).
Great show Cliff! Gave me more confidence in my approach to backpack spike camping. Hard to believe I’m 99% sure I met you N/W of Durango November of 22. You had your dog with you out walking him near a bedrock of a creek. I was looking for a place to set up camp for the night. You said nobody would f-mess with me in there. I know it was you and I’ve watched most of your videos before then. You’ve really given me confidence in DIY elk hunting through your vids. Wish you could give times of year when you tell these stories. Like the temps Ron was hunting in. I end of with 2nd and 3rd season tags and it’s damn cold out there worrying about water freezing by yourself. Thanks for the great videos Cliff!
Would love if you guys could do an episode on "Bush bulls"! Im from New Zealand, and hope to hunt the Fiordland Elk(We refer to them by the "Wapiti"), do pure Breed Elk live solely in bush or is it something they do only during the rut? If you couldn't get to the tops, but was confined to river basins and low terraces, were would you establish base camp? Upper, middle, or lower valley. Bearing in mind the river side camping is definitely out (12mtrs average yearly rainfall) so using night time catabatic winds and water movement generated wind drift to draw sent downstream/valley, keep it from up stream/valley. And are there any tips to identifying bush bull territory?
I jist saw the video with Evan and it was among the top 2 or 3 instructional podcasts I have ever listened to regarding archery elk hunting. Awesome work and great people!
That was a great point about most guys getting all the way back as far as they can drive, then hunting along with the rest of the crowd. I'm guilty of that and have learned that you need to be where the animals are, not where you think they should be.
I'm 47. I've ridden horses my whole life. I competed in college. I've ridden English and Western. I still take lessons. The best advice I can give is pack the ego. Learn to adjust the saddle, find your seat, and be an active rider. A lump of skeleton and flesh gets dumped at the least...sore.
Funny story I once took a couple of shots Prone off of my backpack at a bull elk. Unfortunately I did not account for the rise in the slope I was shooting behind\off of...I had a clear line of sight through the scope of the elk. However when I took the shot my bullets grazed the Snowy ground in front of me and I ended up missing the shot twice.
I found the part about unpressured elk acting differently to calls really interesting. A buddy and I got into some high altitude elk last year, we got pinned by some cows for a while but they didn't spook. They eventually moved up over a ridge, and I bugled. A satellite bull came back and started barking. Everything I've read and watched and experienced told me our game was over. But he kept doing it and after 3 or 4 I figured what the heck I'll just bark back and see what happens. Well after the first he came our way a little and barked again! So we exchanged barks until he gave my buddy a broadside shot. It was such a a weird experience.
Awesome to see Cade using a scout rifle setup and aperture sights. The simple way is my favorite way which has worked for 100’s of years. Great video guys
Great points all around but you hit the nail on the head with the gear today. Marketing has worked well in the hunting & backcountry hobby/sport. Thanks Cliff & Cade🤜🏻
Thanks for having Cade on. It’s refreshing to have someone with the perspective of ask me about bedding habits/feeding sources not wear these boots. I’d definitely listen in to another one of your guys talks.
Great interview.Ive been bowhunting elk hunting since 1985 with success. Yes I own a lot of nice gear "now " however we started out with army surplus wool , rain ponchos , boonie hats and the like. Still have my old Kelty backpack. Guess what. I think we were more successful then. Less hunters / pressure . This year Colorado will quit otc tags for nonresidents in 2025. Which is also me . from WI. Thanks for the share, great content.
I hunted Idaho last fall in two zones because my son and I had different zones. We were shocked at the hunting pressure, even backpacking in a few miles. In northern Maine I usually hunt all season without seeing another hunter in the woods. Of course, there aren't many deer here either.
I’ve hunted places here in Idaho where we wouldn’t see anyone for days only 3-4 miles in but I’ve also hunted places where you can pinpoint 3-4 other camps within a 3-4 mile radius. I don’t mind seeing other hunters out there though as I do seeing people just out hiking and camping. Those people are not concerned at all with being quiet and not blowing out the whole zone.
Just throwing this out there...I can't say I've heard much talk about it , or seen any videos addressing this, other than old school "lead 'em by a fence post" . Am I the only guy that came up shooting at running game...? Mulies and bull elk? Man, I know that may be the only shot (chance to shoot) I get all season... And if a guy had to wait on getting a perfect rest on a stationary target, get used to eating paper. You either get proficient or become vegetarian by default. I loved hunting so much that a missed opportunity, well shit, all missed opportunities still hurt. I remember, even after I had some success and wasn't a kid anymore, listening to hunters tell their why they missed the big one stories...so listen up around camp. I took the sling off my gun and won't wear gloves that don't easily fit in the trigger guard. I figured out I was a much better shot with a knee on the ground. Tried to keep my scope dialed down to low magnification and the glass somewhat clean. Put a piece of tape over the end of my barrel. Started the season with a new box of bullets. Shooting clay pigeons a few times over the summer really helped the hand eye trigger coordination. It takes a lot of work to get lucky. Great show.
Loved this one Cliff. I hope I can get up with Kade on a hunt. Wyoming is on my bucket list. I'm an avid archer but not above harvesting an Elk with rifel.
Packs are great for shooting off of but light shooting sticks like “swagger” shooting sticks are great. A glassing tripod to me is still better and practical if your glassing. Bipods are nice but add weight; and you generally shoot down hill or into a valley. Bipods are more of a bench shooting tool, not a field hunting practical tool (at least not not a high % utilization). Save your money on the bipods. Shoot off your pack or glassing tripod. Great conversation 👍🏻😃
I actually outfit in the Thorofare. It’s big country. Definitely gets a reputation for being remote but I would say the Gros Ventre and the Wind Rivers are a bit rougher.
I hunt with a Native American style bow I build from branch off tree , bow string of twisted pronghorn antelope hide , river cane arrow tipped with a stone arrowhead I flint knapp all my life .I have also done it with old scool flintlock rifles I build .I make everything I need from what the wilds provide.I can live quute comfortably in the wilds and make everything I need.I live more like the ancients once lived
For anyone thinking about attending the seminar with Cade and Cliff, I highly recommend it. I hunted bear with them this spring and learned a lot. It was a great time and I'd be happy to share my experience from the hunter's perspective if anyone is curious.
thanks man, really appreciate it!
Awesome! What was your biggest takeaway? Did you end up getting a bear?
@@yungskullivan No bear. Cade and I found a monster sow with cubs on day one and we covered a ton of country the rest of the trip looking for a bear.
Time management was one of the bigger lessons for me. Seeing how Cliff and Cade break down the day was pretty valuable.
Just listened to this on my 3 mile walk with 35lbs on my back (daily) since February. Drew elk and mule deer archery inColorado. I backpack into wilderness area by my self only mile or two from trailhead while everyone else is going way back in. It’s amazing how many elk and mule deer are not that far up. They are where people are not. Actually going to try spike camping this year. Great podcast keep them coming. 🏹🏹🏔️🌲⛺️
@@bryanmoorefield8890 absolutely. great comment. good luck on those tags brother!
Reminds me of riding in on dirt bikes. Everybody thinks riding a dirtbike in on single track steep and rocky trail with a heavy pack on is easy. Riding in on a dirtbike is at least as hard as walking time wise. So 2 hours on a dirt bike is at least as hard if not harder than 2 hours walking. Its just that you get farther with a dirtbike. Hop off the dirtbike after the ride in, and you are already beat. Then you have to do it in the dark both ways. Sounds similar to riding horseback. Most of us wish we had that option, but sounds like it is way more work than we realize.
Great podcast! I enjoyed the discussion at the end about gear. Here's my opinion....I think folks who are always out there are less obsessed with nice gear because they're always out in it. Does that make sense? A farmer, crop consultant, logger, packer etc. has seen it all. Those folks see some wild things while they are at work. They don't make things any harder or less practical than they need to be. On the other hand, you take a guy like me, that works within the confines of a barbed wire fence and a turnstile, it's different. When you live on a quarter acre lot and you pay homeowners association dues, you might be more inclined to buy nice gear because it makes you feel connected to hunting and the outdoors while you live and work in town. I think some people buy high end stuff because they are filling a void packers, foresters, and ranchers experience daily. If anyone has read this far, thank you!
I hear ya. I also think there is just some entertainment value in it for folks. Not so much in hunting, but in other hobbies I have there is an element of enjoying the research on new stuff. I get it.
For sure. There’s a big difference between buying stuff that you need and buying stuff because you want it. Which were all guilty of
Here's my top overrated: 1) A binocular harness. I have one that I like, but they're overrated in my opinion. I actually like straps much better. 2) tactical style scopes. These days we are shooting flatter than ever before and we are overcomplicating shots because we think we need to be able to shoot a bottle cap 600 yards away. 3) rifle covers. We buy all this fancy carbon fiber or cerakote, and high end glass with an awesome warranty and we baby it to death with weight and bulk.
Here's my underrated: 1) 2 lens wipes per day. 2) an extra headlamp or battery. It isn't about being able to see as much as it is about being seen. 2) a glove kit including insulated gloves, work gloves, and dishwashing gloves.
I did a horse back ride south of Jackson Hole after visiting Yellowstone. I’ll never forget when got to a big bluff and the guide told us we could ride for 30 days in one direction and never see a fence or road. Wyoming is amazing! He’s a lucky man to see it regularly. Great listen.
It’s beautiful country
I have been blessed to do a couple of high mountain mule deer hunts in the Little Greys River area of Wyoming. It is indeed an awesome place.
Great video and information! I have to disagree on the shooting sticks though. I have found mine worth their weight and made shots out to some long ranges with them. And shooting some extreme angles. But as you said it depends what you practice with. I’ve not shot of a pack much and it would eliminate excess gear. 🤙
**Guide or no guide. I will tell you the number one secret to harvesting elk year after year. HUNT WERE THE ELK ARE.**
Cade is awesome! His videos are very informative!
Thanks man!
Good conversation.
Much like the previous discussion, it is surprising as to how many people are scared of the dark.
Some may use the rationale that they are stuck in their 9-to-5 routine, but I would wager its more the fear of dark. (This has been my experience with hunting with folks from the East coast on backcountry hunts).
Great show Cliff! Gave me more confidence in my approach to backpack spike camping. Hard to believe I’m 99% sure I met you N/W of Durango November of 22. You had your dog with you out walking him near a bedrock of a creek. I was looking for a place to set up camp for the night. You said nobody would f-mess with me in there. I know it was you and I’ve watched most of your videos before then. You’ve really given me confidence in DIY elk hunting through your vids.
Wish you could give times of year when you tell these stories. Like the temps Ron was hunting in.
I end of with 2nd and 3rd season tags and it’s damn cold out there worrying about water freezing by yourself. Thanks for the great videos Cliff!
Would love if you guys could do an episode on "Bush bulls"! Im from New Zealand, and hope to hunt the Fiordland Elk(We refer to them by the "Wapiti"), do pure Breed Elk live solely in bush or is it something they do only during the rut? If you couldn't get to the tops, but was confined to river basins and low terraces, were would you establish base camp? Upper, middle, or lower valley. Bearing in mind the river side camping is definitely out (12mtrs average yearly rainfall) so using night time catabatic winds and water movement generated wind drift to draw sent downstream/valley, keep it from up stream/valley. And are there any tips to identifying bush bull territory?
I jist saw the video with Evan and it was among the top 2 or 3 instructional podcasts I have ever listened to regarding archery elk hunting. Awesome work and great people!
Thanks so much! glad they were helpful!
That was a great point about most guys getting all the way back as far as they can drive, then hunting along with the rest of the crowd. I'm guilty of that and have learned that you need to be where the animals are, not where you think they should be.
I'm 47. I've ridden horses my whole life. I competed in college. I've ridden English and Western. I still take lessons. The best advice I can give is pack the ego. Learn to adjust the saddle, find your seat, and be an active rider. A lump of skeleton and flesh gets dumped at the least...sore.
15 minutes in and im already commenting lol...This is good one. Thx Cliff
thanks Chris!
Funny story I once took a couple of shots Prone off of my backpack at a bull elk. Unfortunately I did not account for the rise in the slope I was shooting behind\off of...I had a clear line of sight through the scope of the elk. However when I took the shot my bullets grazed the Snowy ground in front of me and I ended up missing the shot twice.
Happens to the best of us! I missed a wolf like that one time
I found the part about unpressured elk acting differently to calls really interesting. A buddy and I got into some high altitude elk last year, we got pinned by some cows for a while but they didn't spook. They eventually moved up over a ridge, and I bugled. A satellite bull came back and started barking. Everything I've read and watched and experienced told me our game was over. But he kept doing it and after 3 or 4 I figured what the heck I'll just bark back and see what happens. Well after the first he came our way a little and barked again! So we exchanged barks until he gave my buddy a broadside shot. It was such a a weird experience.
Awesome to see Cade using a scout rifle setup and aperture sights. The simple way is my favorite way which has worked for 100’s of years. Great video guys
Thanks for watching man!
Riding wo prior prep,,,,U will discover, inner thigh and Crotch muscles U didn't know existed,,,take linamint
Great points all around but you hit the nail on the head with the gear today. Marketing has worked well in the hunting & backcountry hobby/sport. Thanks Cliff & Cade🤜🏻
Thanks for having Cade on. It’s refreshing to have someone with the perspective of ask me about bedding habits/feeding sources not wear these boots. I’d definitely listen in to another one of your guys talks.
Great interview.Ive been bowhunting elk hunting since 1985 with success. Yes I own a lot of nice gear "now " however we started out with army surplus wool , rain ponchos , boonie hats and the like. Still have my old Kelty backpack. Guess what. I think we were more successful then. Less hunters / pressure . This year Colorado will quit otc tags for nonresidents in 2025. Which is also me . from WI. Thanks for the share, great content.
thanks!
I hunted Idaho last fall in two zones because my son and I had different zones. We were shocked at the hunting pressure, even backpacking in a few miles. In northern Maine I usually hunt all season without seeing another hunter in the woods. Of course, there aren't many deer here either.
I’ve hunted places here in Idaho where we wouldn’t see anyone for days only 3-4 miles in but I’ve also hunted places where you can pinpoint 3-4 other camps within a 3-4 mile radius. I don’t mind seeing other hunters out there though as I do seeing people just out hiking and camping. Those people are not concerned at all with being quiet and not blowing out the whole zone.
30 miles, in the United States you are out of most wildernesses. Hmmmm
Awesome!
you should leave in the dark and come back in the dark
Who did you guide for in the flat tops? Sable mountain has packed animals out for us before.
Post the video so we can watch it! I missed the caliber you all mentioned
So how do you take care of the horses when you're spiking?
I'll have to get cade back on to cover that one... it can be a bit of a process
What is your glassing tripod?
Just throwing this out there...I can't say I've heard much talk about it , or seen any videos addressing this, other than old school "lead 'em by a fence post" . Am I the only guy that came up shooting at running game...? Mulies and bull elk? Man, I know that may be the only shot (chance to shoot) I get all season...
And if a guy had to wait on getting a perfect rest on a stationary target, get used to eating paper. You either get proficient or become vegetarian by default. I loved hunting so much that a missed opportunity, well shit, all missed opportunities still hurt. I remember, even after I had some success and wasn't a kid
anymore, listening to hunters tell their why they missed the big one stories...so listen up around camp. I took the sling off my gun and won't wear gloves that don't easily fit in the trigger guard. I figured out I was a much better shot with a knee on the ground. Tried to keep my scope dialed down to low magnification and the glass somewhat clean. Put a piece of tape over the end of my barrel. Started the season with a new box of bullets. Shooting clay
pigeons a few times over the summer really helped the hand eye trigger coordination. It takes a lot of work to get lucky.
Great show.
Loved this one Cliff. I hope I can get up with Kade on a hunt. Wyoming is on my bucket list. I'm an avid archer but not above harvesting an Elk with rifel.
Packs are great for shooting off of but light shooting sticks like “swagger” shooting sticks are great. A glassing tripod to me is still better and practical if your glassing. Bipods are nice but add weight; and you generally shoot down hill or into a valley. Bipods are more of a bench shooting tool, not a field hunting practical tool (at least not not a high % utilization). Save your money on the bipods. Shoot off your pack or glassing tripod.
Great conversation 👍🏻😃
This was a great down to earth discussion about the reality of elk hunting both in the field and the cultural aspects. Thank you for sharing.
Awesome podcast! Cliff didn’t you watch cades 80 mile hunt film!? All the gear you need is horse, a bag of rice, a rifle, and a cowboy hat 🤠
Just dont lose your quiver
Awesome
How do you like that duckworth hoodie? I love mine
Awesome conversation guys!
Explore the Thorofare country in WY. If ya wanna get manned up.
I actually outfit in the Thorofare. It’s big country. Definitely gets a reputation for being remote but I would say the Gros Ventre and the Wind Rivers are a bit rougher.
I hunt with a Native American style bow I build from branch off tree , bow string of twisted pronghorn antelope hide , river cane arrow tipped with a stone arrowhead I flint knapp all my life .I have also done it with old scool flintlock rifles I build .I make everything I need from what the wilds provide.I can live quute comfortably in the wilds and make everything I need.I live more like the ancients once lived