TB has a harder wave structure than TDS, but Survival mode only has one difficulty and wave structure. This makes it less beginner friendly, but less replayable for veteran players.
@@doit6820 shot and enforcer are equal before wave 5 shot is better until wave 11 then enforcer is better bc it has hidden and can stun, but yes currently the meta is shotgun
Enforcer is cheap and decent in my experiences, warden I feel is more of a mid wave tower and it’s price being a bit high for lvl 3 but it’s damage is a bit worth the price.
@@TheGodOfLag pretty much all towers struggle with breakers you either get pyro to kill them or you bomb them with plane, heli, or rocketeer because splash damage is their weakness I seen accelerator and engineer get overwhelmed by large numbers of breakers
Yea man I gotta agree with John in towers battles enforcer is trash cause everyone basically knows that in TB Melee towers are weak cause that game is to hard for it to win on it’s own, I think the only way to even out the vs John is to use the warden in hardcore cause tower battles one singular mode is already hard enough may as well test op tower with more damage and range in a harder mode
Let's be honest, all of us knows that molten is the easiest mode in TDS, but tower battles has only one mode and it's harder than molten, if John played on fallen it will be more fair.
from my experience, enforcer is pretty good in pvp cuz it's very cost efficient and can do big damage to bosses, + the stunning can help you defend against boss rushes cuz it slows them down. not as good in survival though
this was really unfair in many parts, as for one; tower battles in later waves has a HUGE spam of bosses, and bot to mention those bosses come earlier than those in TDS. Alot are also stronger. Instance: TB slow has 16 HP, double that of the TDS slow. Hidden Boss has almost TWICE of that than in TDS. I think the enforcer would've won if the games were fair.
I... Don't see how that's unfair at all. If that's how Tower Battles' modes are balanced, it's towers should be balanced in a way that can defend against that. TDS this year has actually been very good at both balancing old towers and making sure new ones are viable in most situations. TB has a huge problem where a lot of their towers, such as enforcer, are added but not at all viable in the game. In other words, if Enforcer isn't able to beat TB's normal mode, that still means the tower sucks, whether or not TBs normal mode is harder than TDS's molten, because at the end of the day that's how Planet chose to balance those modes.
@@lippa2642 You are talking about TB like everyone should have been talking about TDS AGES ago but TDS just gets a pass because it lets you solo molten mode by only using a single tower? Also, NO. Enforcer is NOT able to beat TB. That DOES NOT mean the tower sucks, it just means it has strengths and weaknesses. You know not a single thing about how the difficulty and core gameplay of TB works yet you still judge it against TDS despite the fact you clearly play TDS a million times more. Enforcer does not suck, it just can't solo. None of the TB towers can solo. That isn't how TB does things. TDS lets you have a single tower and lets you solo using only that tower till you can beat the mode using it. TB has a SINGLE MODE, so it instantly makes it so much harder to compare the two and to say one is better than the other because TDS split the wave structure into 3 different modes while TB kept everything to a single mode, being survival. Do not go around saying "TB HAS THE PROBLEM THAT MOST OF ITS TOWERS AREN'T VIABLE" despite the fact you clearly do not understand how the game works. ALL but a VERY small few towers in TB are viable, they just need to be used in a loadout. Scout and Sniper can go far if you use them properly, but no, they cannot beat the Void. It is unfair to compare the two because the core gameplay of TB, and TDS, are drastic in difference, yet you fail to recognize this. The irony is that, in the instance that you have called the comparison fair, your reasoning is still unfair.
I’m late, but TB is way harder than TDS fallen. It has more health than 3 FALLEN KINGS. Plus towers are much weaker in TB than TDS as they do much less damage.
I wish they just merge tower battles and TDS so TB is for battles mostly and TDS is for survival. So they wont care about copyright or something its really sad that TB is almost dying.
the dev's most likely just wanted a reason to rip off of tower battles again, while also getting the license to at least make a profit out of the name of fanf
This compare is not fair tho If you want to compare both of the tds and tb i think the tds better with the hardcore mode because it is some what the same as Tb gamemode so the warden you need to play in hardcore not molten Edit: Change hardcore mode to fallen mode due to hardcore is hardcore
@@noahkamado4289 TB survival = tds hardcore mode if he wants it fair he can atleast start himself with the amount of money possible to buy enforc- i mean warden
@@anissans-zo1bc tb survival ≠ tds hardcore because the skill cap of hardcore is basically everyone must need golden or gem towers that are so time consuming to get plus you have to deal with ALL bosses from normal molten and fallen witch all have a skill cap if their own and the the fallen sowrd master and I forgot the main boss for hardcore
To have enforcers stun you should put one on both sides since most under boss2 wont even move, so they are aspecially useful against necromancers, since it is so cheap.
@@EnzoNotFerrari21 void reaver is freaking 1.2 million hp. Badlands 2 is maybe the closest mode TDS has to TB.(still 100k hp apart and walks faster.) but, WHO IS GOING TO USE WARDEN TO FIGHT A FREAKING VOID REAVER???
tb enforcer sucks if you don't know how to use it, but its pretty much the pvp meta in tb if you actually know how to use it but great video regardless
tb vs tds
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Hi
tb is more nostalgic so
yes
good video, watched at 15x speed
@UCbgthV4iAkB-mGShOyqCt3w why?
im surprised john made it to wave 39 with enforcer at all
im pretty sure its only because of Commander's Airstrike and the Striker
Yeah when i use enforecer is just the pure garbage
@@Arvl. enforcer*
@@minerdxxd733 yea it was like 90% the commanders the whole time since enforcers are very bad but airstrike is really good
@@Arvl. enforcer isn't really good at suvival, but it is really good on pvp to suvive boss 1 rush, big android and something like that
tbh Tower battles is like the father of all roblox tower defense games and when it died tds inherited (basically) everything from it.
Bloons is the father of Tower Defense games, Tower Battles is the father of all other roblox tower defense games
@@bigpoggers6507 yeah pretty much agree
Roblox tower defense game*
The father of all tower defense game is Bloons Tower defense (AKA BTD)
Yeah "inherited" totally didn't copy almost evrtything off it, totally not an excuse to copy tb
@@serily4524 I love seeing tb fans crying over a game that’s doing better then the original
TB has a harder wave structure than TDS, but Survival mode only has one difficulty and wave structure. This makes it less beginner friendly, but less replayable for veteran players.
Everyone seems to forget that tower battles has stronger enemies
yes, but does tds have zed golden commando and flame thrower for super stalling?
War machine is golden commando and zed is monster, plus golden commando used to be admin so yeah
@spawnerist one flame thrower can’t slow down anymore two gold mini isn’t even as good as gold commando
@@lienesauserde7419 zed is mark v in tds. Monster is completely separate
@@lienesauserde7419 why compare 2 dev only tower gc is now pub and void has been neffed when it has been added, stupidest thing ever
I love the videos where you compare towers, to other towers. It’s really interesting
just remember that enforcer is most cost efficient tower, can get u orchard by wave 5
You can get warden at wave 0-
@@Arrowheaded_Quincy orchard upgrade on wave 5, not the tower
Shotgunner is best for eco
@@doit6820 shot and enforcer are equal before wave 5 shot is better until wave 11 then enforcer is better bc it has hidden and can stun, but yes currently the meta is shotgun
Enforcer is cheap and decent in my experiences, warden I feel is more of a mid wave tower and it’s price being a bit high for lvl 3 but it’s damage is a bit worth the price.
Do you mean he can solo molten with good mystry boss rng
@@TheguestVR yes, although warden heavily struggles with breakers if he joins a map with the beta modifier
@@TheGodOfLag pretty much all towers struggle with breakers you either get pyro to kill them or you bomb them with plane, heli, or rocketeer because splash damage is their weakness I seen accelerator and engineer get overwhelmed by large numbers of breakers
@@flamewolf552 despite rocketeer being bad, it's a good counter for breakers however I don't recommend it
@@TheGodOfLag atleast it's a better tower than mortar
Belownatural when he copied Planetearth: 👍 nothing happened
Belownatural when someone copied him:
idk if he accidently copied, but i think he copied the concept of winter event enemies of tower battles, the mimic
@@hypecosmo5723 he copied everytging tb ever done lol
Yea man I gotta agree with John in towers battles enforcer is trash cause everyone basically knows that in TB Melee towers are weak cause that game is to hard for it to win on it’s own, I think the only way to even out the vs John is to use the warden in hardcore cause tower battles one singular mode is already hard enough may as well test op tower with more damage and range in a harder mode
I mean 800 credict is make sense for TB enforcer how stat he is
and enforcer is not an event tower and just kinda a noobs tower
@@Wendonkski7698 mortar and tuber cost 800 credits too
@Kozma 🥴 exactly, it’s one of or the most cost efficient tower and can counter most boss rushes effectively. Even in tournaments.
"Tb is too hard" maybe, but that does not change the fact that you can get to wave 30 or even longer with just soldier spam
Let's be honest, all of us knows that molten is the easiest mode in TDS, but tower battles has only one mode and it's harder than molten, if John played on fallen it will be more fair.
No way☠️
yeah idk why he did molten lol
That would make fallen more difficult since the speedy boss is replaced with tank which is way faster and has way more health.
@@webIQ162 Not really cause since the tank doesn't have energy immunity, Wardens can stun lock it.
@@brendanliew9598 wdym speedy boss can get stun too
I should admit, even fallen mode isnt that hard as tb survival, and enforcer have done a great job on keeping it so long
99 % of tds towers are basically tower battles towers just with better models 🙏
Yeah some of the towers are copies but tbh they are more quality than the original
13:46 we didnt even survive that long
Wave 39
According to some playlist, this is the 69th Tower Battles video by GDI
from my experience, enforcer is pretty good in pvp cuz it's very cost efficient and can do big damage to bosses, + the stunning can help you defend against boss rushes cuz it slows them down. not as good in survival though
@Sway you clearly have never played tower battles
Sir i think your playing the wrong game.
@@baldmista1907 bro tds doesnt have pvp thats why he was saying that
@@rowenamirasol3792 he said enforcer the comment was talking about tb
@@hoe2861 what
Tip for using enforcer: don’t place it too in the corner since it doesn’t hit the first enemy because enforcer use closes targeting.
3:54 that laugh tho
As soon as I heard about the warden, I went straight to the Enforcer
3:55 Bro turned into Satan for 2 seconds
lets be honest here
tb is like a new and harder gamemode compared to tds fallen and molten
since the bosses are stronger and get spammed alot
tb is older than tds tho
@@zorkan3896 i said new coz tb has entities that tds has never seen before
Best part about TB Enforcer is the fact they sound like a metal orchestra.. and that is it.
I like how when he figures out that Warden is a copy of Enforcer instead of calling Warden the right name he calls it Enforcer
@@xenstence he’s supposed to be a night guard for the pizza place
@@xenstence its not even a joke, its an answer.
@@xenstence but u did talk to him
somebody doesn’t understand when not to use their shitty comebacks
@@xenstence tf you on about?
3:54 That laugh tho
Watch this in 2x😭
@@Nosoull23💀
Being able to solo tds with one offensive tower shows how much of a joke tds's balancing is
and it being a melee tower is just the cherry on top
My dad is my sad
TB enforcer shows how much of a joke they put in their towers
@@Krishnadiadas2011 That doesn’t even make any sense. Enforcer has its roles, it just cant carry itself because the game actually requires strategy
@@Krishnadiadas2011 You’re saying warden is any better? The tower that is a copy from tb lmao?
Now we have 2 wardens, copy of minecraft and copy of tower battles enforcer... GODDAMIT!
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this was really unfair in many parts, as for one; tower battles in later waves has a HUGE spam of bosses, and bot to mention those bosses come earlier than those in TDS.
Alot are also stronger. Instance: TB slow has 16 HP, double that of the TDS slow. Hidden Boss has almost TWICE of that than in TDS.
I think the enforcer would've won if the games were fair.
I... Don't see how that's unfair at all.
If that's how Tower Battles' modes are balanced, it's towers should be balanced in a way that can defend against that. TDS this year has actually been very good at both balancing old towers and making sure new ones are viable in most situations. TB has a huge problem where a lot of their towers, such as enforcer, are added but not at all viable in the game.
In other words, if Enforcer isn't able to beat TB's normal mode, that still means the tower sucks, whether or not TBs normal mode is harder than TDS's molten, because at the end of the day that's how Planet chose to balance those modes.
Eggrypted made a vid on warden vs fallen mode
@@lippa2642 You are talking about TB like everyone should have been talking about TDS AGES ago but TDS just gets a pass because it lets you solo molten mode by only using a single tower? Also, NO. Enforcer is NOT able to beat TB. That DOES NOT mean the tower sucks, it just means it has strengths and weaknesses. You know not a single thing about how the difficulty and core gameplay of TB works yet you still judge it against TDS despite the fact you clearly play TDS a million times more. Enforcer does not suck, it just can't solo. None of the TB towers can solo. That isn't how TB does things. TDS lets you have a single tower and lets you solo using only that tower till you can beat the mode using it. TB has a SINGLE MODE, so it instantly makes it so much harder to compare the two and to say one is better than the other because TDS split the wave structure into 3 different modes while TB kept everything to a single mode, being survival. Do not go around saying "TB HAS THE PROBLEM THAT MOST OF ITS TOWERS AREN'T VIABLE" despite the fact you clearly do not understand how the game works. ALL but a VERY small few towers in TB are viable, they just need to be used in a loadout. Scout and Sniper can go far if you use them properly, but no, they cannot beat the Void. It is unfair to compare the two because the core gameplay of TB, and TDS, are drastic in difference, yet you fail to recognize this. The irony is that, in the instance that you have called the comparison fair, your reasoning is still unfair.
@@treesap9789 literally what I was thinking
@@treesap9789 I play tb and tds and i agree
That laugh made me fall into the backrooms 3:54
hard to decide as tower battles is much harder than tds but at the same time tds has modes
True
I’m late, but TB is way harder than TDS fallen. It has more health than 3 FALLEN KINGS. Plus towers are much weaker in TB than TDS as they do much less damage.
@@firstnameisfirst1614 not that late and yes tb has a large difficulty spike, i have been there when it started.
@@JDR00L especially the slimes man. 125 hp turned lower and lower and doubled the slimes every time you kill one.
I can’t make it past boss 3 normally
I wish they just merge tower battles and TDS so TB is for battles mostly and TDS is for survival. So they wont care about copyright or something its really sad that TB is almost dying.
i feel like he should of done fallen instead since the last boss has the same hp as void
Void has 500k.
Ur off by like 350k but it still works.
Fallen king is faster the void though
That laugh 💀💀💀 3:54
How does tds keep getting away with this 😭
Everyone and their great great great grandmother knows that TDS "copied" tower battles, they aren't getting away with it
@@BarpenterCroot They're getting away scot free
@@krowleyk Scot free and doing it better.
@@krowleyk I see a "OmG tDs CopIedd!!!" comment in every video that is about the warden tower, dont think they're getting away scot free chief
Better damaging towers and erm just buff the hell of the copied towers dats why
The fact that enforcer is old shotgun of tds
What?
@@FormalCarrot1 yeah, its true shotgunner used to be enforcer before he got reworked
@@FormalCarrot1 And also he used to call swat van at max level
1:31 is a true statement and i completely agree👍💯(this is not a joke)
shouldve put warden against fallen mode
2:03 those r wardens not enforcers bro 💀
i love how he doesn't stop comparing things from tds to tb throughout the video
because... thats what the video is about?
did the roblox hacking invasion from yesterday stopped?
Ever since I got the Warden, I already knew former Tower Battle players will get confused between 'Enforcer' and 'Warden'
Lol, but, who cares?
police brutalit-
Me: oh it doesn’t happen to us often anyways my favorite tds towers are enforcer, commando, patrol hey wait a minute
“Im not sure if fallen and tb are the same difficulty”
Literally 5x harder than fallen
Ahhh yes, TDS copping TB again.
"copping"
Yes but this time its kind of a stronger version of it instead of a weaker version like the other towers in tds that were copied from tower battles...
@@Dynaz_2095 still copy
@@Dynaz_2095 still Copy.
@@LuisNinjaXx tb copying real life again
Below on his way to borrow original ideas hits harder every day
the dev's most likely just wanted a reason to rip off of tower battles again, while also getting the license to at least make a profit out of the name of fanf
cause they dumb
Dude the '' warden'' concept isn't a total copy bruh just because they took something in real life which was done before by btb
Have any ideas of a different enforcer uniform?
@@SonikZeta remember in btd6 when the police brutality monkey brutally slaughtered sauda for being asian?
@@e.l.studios455 Sauda isn't Asian, she's Kiwi
The laugh at 3:55 though💀💀💀
This compare is not fair tho
If you want to compare both of the tds and tb i think the tds better with the hardcore mode because it is some what the same as Tb gamemode so the warden you need to play in hardcore not molten
Edit: Change hardcore mode to fallen mode due to hardcore is hardcore
That's just way harder. He will lose to balloons did you forget? adding to this is that the tower costs also increase
Atleast he should do it in fallen
Cuz molten is the most easy gamemode
@@noahkamado4289
TB survival = tds hardcore mode
if he wants it fair he can atleast start himself with the amount of money possible to buy enforc- i mean warden
@@anissans-zo1bc tb survival ≠ tds hardcore because the skill cap of hardcore is basically everyone must need golden or gem towers that are so time consuming to get plus you have to deal with ALL bosses from normal molten and fallen witch all have a skill cap if their own and the the fallen sowrd master and I forgot the main boss for hardcore
To have enforcers stun you should put one on both sides since most under boss2 wont even move, so they are aspecially useful against necromancers, since it is so cheap.
yes the mode with the 70k hp boss is the same diffuclty as the one with a 500k hp one
It doesnt matter. Not like you can spawn the tb boss in tds
@@afantashoon6969 it does matter. He should have spawned in a void reaver or at least a fallen king instead.
@@EnzoNotFerrari21 void reaver is freaking 1.2 million hp. Badlands 2 is maybe the closest mode TDS has to TB.(still 100k hp apart and walks faster.) but, WHO IS GOING TO USE WARDEN TO FIGHT A FREAKING VOID REAVER???
@@afantashoon6969 probably a mad man, but you can use like multiple fallen kings to try match the HP
@@afantashoon6969 I mean like nobody would use enforcer to fight the void either, you got a point though
The enforcers hitting the zombies sounds like a xylophone.
Tower battle enforcer better than the warden from tds
no warden is way better
@@Samiho warden is terrible
Enforcer sucks. It lost on wave 39.
Meanwhile, Warden beat molten mode.
@@Samiho 🤓
@@justsomeguypostingmemes945 dude didnt know tb zombie is stronger
3 years later and they're still takin stuff. crazy.
3 years later and you’re still crying about it. Grow up it doesn’t affect you
@@R12138 At this point its just crazy, you'd think they'd at least try to not rip everything from TB, but nope.
@@verticalpug2026 TB is completely dead. TDS is the completely upgraded version. It's like stealing from a corpse.
everyone be talking about warden but i just want molten mode to get buffed
Miss Golden mode everyday ):
“Where are the kids”
They’re just having fun while bathing
Maybe not oh I'm first
dude I was
John was first
@@kfc9575 true
Who cares bro
No one cares are you first or not
Don't forget the critical hits and stun blocking that warden has
warden is stunning like every boss with that stunstick 💀
I don't know if you have done a video like this with ace pilot and aviator but you should
3:54 laugh
well Tower Battle are more strat based than Tds
since all tower have its drawbacks, so you actually not spam 1 towers ig
John:Find the difference in the thumbnail
Me:There is no difference
“Tower battles is old! They won’t even notice…”
Respect to the pog champs who actuaully did laugh
I love how he says enforcer for warden and warden for enforcer as a dumbass joke
I swear that TB’s set difficulty is at fallen level hard
5:47 its not actually a stupidass upgrade it increases the damage to 8, placing another enforcer would make them deal 6 together
The upgrade is only good against higher hp enemies, placing a second one is for the leaks
tb enforcer sucks if you don't know how to use it, but its pretty much the pvp meta in tb if you actually know how to use it but great video regardless
fr its rlly good
4:00 that made me cry because of how funny it is 😂😂😂
suprised me you even made another video on tb
for sample is
enforcer its a good early game tower
and
warden is just free winner
Haha funny jokes (i mean't it ironic)
"You call this resisting arrest, we call this a difficulty tweak"
A police officer with a protection helmet can see hidden but a high tech sniper with lots of gear can’t?
You should have played on fallen to make it fair
3:54 XD
Tower battles is what started me off on my love for tower defense games I hate to see tds do this
3:54 TO 3:45 WAS SO FUNNY I CRASHED MY HEAD ONTO THE TABLEA ND FELL OF MY CHAIR
you're not an og if you don't remember the enforcer (shotgunner) meta in tds
I love TDS, but I wish it had more original concepts. TDS sniper is the exact same as TB but just higher quality
Same here, but theres isnt there like a ton of original towers that aren't ripped out off tower battles
tb invented the idea of police? wow.
You want me to name 40 other things tds copied?
the point is the upgrades and the models that are extremely similar
Finally somebody noticed it
6:54 bro he called it wardens lol
Amazing video!
john: i need to sell my income to place more enforcers
Me: (has 36k and not a limit of towers)
WAIT IT WAS A MISTAKE OM-
HEY JOHN ME AND MY FRIENDS ARE MAKING A TOWR DEFENSE GAME CALLED TOWER DEFENSE DIMENSIONS WHEN IT COMES OUT PLS PLAY IT AND RATE IT
Lol commanders with the APCs and air strikes are stronger than the enforcers
Tbh tds should get sued for copy right infringement
Bro they Don't own the ideas wth you on unless they own they cant own the idea bruh
@@LionelMessi-10-8 i had a stroke reading that
@@Counltdooku i can see why
Ok John let's just chill ok we all people here
when will you play crim?
Wait why did you’re commander skin change from Bloxy to normal? Did you die and redo? 🤨
2 police brutality officer dueling each other lol. gonna watch with interest
Bro the LAUGH is evil
Couldn’t think of something so called TB “Hey can we use your enforcer?” TB”n…..” TDS “Ok Thx” TB “…”
Enforcer would be at least just as good as tower battles has a harder game mode you should have had warden be tested in fallen
Tower battles:🤨
Tower defense simulator: 👌
Ah yes, the game that copied 60 zombies and towers is better than the orginal game.
me still waiting for targeting system in tb: 😶
Tower Battles normal mode is harder than Fallen btw
there are no mode in tb
boss1: doesn't get stunned
necromancer boss: gets stunned
so true
i love the new intro music
Enforcer stun level plus flamethrower 👌stuns them nearly completely.
If Gladiator and Electroshocker had an baby but no peircing damage
Tower battles really born alot of tower defneces