I never thought about retro pc motherboards having value for the retro console sector….You just opened my eyes on what has value left in the aging tech world. Not only for parts but for collectors. I feel like I should have realized that but my mind was stuck on what I only knew. Thank you, sir.
Check the spacing of the ports on the HP motherboard, I won't be surprised if they are non-standard. That means that if the motherboard fails you have no choice but to buy a proper HP board as a standard I/O shield can't be used. That's why there are so many sold.
Any pc from 775 onward can be useful providing people are not obsessed with running windows on it. Personally I think all towers will become retro /vintage / collectable in the very near future as landfills & recycling plants around the world fill up with them. Pc Armageddon is fast approaching so grab em while you can.
I run Linux on a 4th gen core PC and I'm interested in upgrading today. I wouldn't consider anything that doesn't have rebar on it either. NVME and USB 3.1. The last few gens have been such flops the second hand market sucks now though. So I'm holding out a few more years with what I have. I don't want anything brand new. That's problematic with Linux. Plus everything new now sucks. It's really stuffed things up what PCs have been up to lately. Just not a good time.
Came here to suggest that should he want to easily see the details of the machine, just to have a Linux Live USB lying around. Boot from stick quickly, browse around being nosy on the HDD etc.
@@1pcfred Bought a 'brand new' (but not particularly flashy) gaming machine inc. decent graphics for my youngest last year. No particular problems with Linux on it so far. Think we only ever booted it into Windows to check it worked after purchase.
@@OnStageLighting Linux can work on new hardware but I have had issues too. If a hardware manufacturer supports Linux at all generally Linux support is a lower priority than commercial OSes. So drivers take longer to develop for Linux. Sometimes "new" hardware isn't particularly new either and older drivers can run it. I've just added device IDs to drivers and had hardware supported. Those numbers are how the kernel knows what hardware is. If it finds a match then it knows what it is. But none of that is anything I really want to do. I'd rather someone else did it and it just worked for me. So I run Linux on hardware that's got some age to it anymore.
@@OnStageLighting yeah Linux doesn't need any passwords to access Windows partitions. Does Windows even have filesystem encryption? I don't know. Live sessions will mount any partitions they find by default because why not? Maybe that's why Microsoft is insisting on TPM being a requirement now? I don't know what TPM is actually supposed to do. It's some kind of security BS as I understand.
Based on the fact you live on a rock in the middle of the sea, when will have had through your hands all the PC's that have been shipped there since the 90's 🙂
Yup, I did a tour with PB which was to present their new P4 ranges to Dixons Stores Group employees. I feel like those boxes / brands were the kind some Herbert in Curry's sold to your parents.
When you suggested that the first machine could have had a 3.4GHz processor I almost fell off my chair. Not in a Packard Bell! 😅 The graphics card is indeed a radeon 9550, but notice that there's no DVI port. On a fully populated board I believe you could run each port independently (for 2 monitors) so the lack of DVI makes me wonder if the chip has a fault in that part and it was sold as VGA only.
I thought it was a P4 skt478 motherboard due to the style of the heatsink and the mounting bracket. It also is 800MHz FSB so the fastest P4 Skt 478 ever made was the 3.4GHz and they sell for good money. I have one a few years ago from a flea market PC and sold the CPU for £100 on ebay
I never had a P4 system, went from a severeley overclocked 386DX (with an 83Mhz bus) to slot 1 I/II and switched to Athlon XP and 64 systems way back when. Never seen that populair in the Netherlands I think? Love the HP case tho! But will it be retro? I don't know honoustly. To me retro is anything pre x86 since I started with a VC20/C64 and several Amiga's. 🙂
Personally I wouldn't waste my time with anything less than a GTX-750 2gb on PCIe. I like the GTX-980 on my Windows XP retro builds, I'm sure they will all increase in value as they become rarer.
It's nothing to do with performance... from what I have seen of the retro PC collecting scene then often the 'first of a kind' and 'last of a kind' hold good values. Same with 'fastest of a kind'. So for example the most valuable retro AGP graphics cards are the fastest ones ever made which were also the last of their kind. Then there are special cases like voodoo cards... I have a banshee, voodoo 2, 3 and 4 now and the voodoo 4 is by far the more valuable but they are all highly collectable. Look at Socket 7 boards... the most valuable, by a long way, are Super Socket 7 with K6 processors on them. Then there are first of a kind, so the first ever GPU was the Geforce 256, I've found two so far, one I sold for 100 pounds (UK) and the other I kept for myself. Based on that I was projecting that high end (not this one) first generation core i7 motherboards and the first ever GTX cards, which were the GTX260/GTX280 could become valuable collectables in about 10 years, especially the GTX280 due to more scarcity and higher performance. Of course I have no idea what the future will bring, it's just a gut feeling... so I would say if it interests you get one or two of those cards now and speculate. You could also speculate the GTX1080ti the fastest of it's kind/generation could also become more collectable and valuable in the next decade.
I suspect that round about September 2025 a lot of perfectly fine systems will be dumped because they cannot run Windows11. I say perfectly fine, because they'll still be good systems for running Linux or a BSD variant depending on what you use a computer for of course...
I found one like this in a neighbor’s trash. All it needed was a new power supply. Works great.
I actually use an i7-860 for work, simple office tasks, with W10. Works very well, although not my only PC!!
I never thought about retro pc motherboards having value for the retro console sector….You just opened my eyes on what has value left in the aging tech world.
Not only for parts but for collectors. I feel like I should have realized that but my mind was stuck on what I only knew.
Thank you, sir.
Check the spacing of the ports on the HP motherboard, I won't be surprised if they are non-standard. That means that if the motherboard fails you have no choice but to buy a proper HP board as a standard I/O shield can't be used. That's why there are so many sold.
The Packard Bell has a cool case!
Heya, that's the problem we can't see the future. but I guess only the high-end MB will be a collector item maybe
For that early i7 and any AM3 pc of that time they make excellent dual boot machines with both Windows XP 32 bit (play DOS - Late XP games) & Linux.
Any pc from 775 onward can be useful providing people are not obsessed with running windows on it. Personally I think all towers will become retro /vintage / collectable in the very near future as landfills & recycling plants around the world fill up with them. Pc Armageddon is fast approaching so grab em while you can.
I run Linux on a 4th gen core PC and I'm interested in upgrading today. I wouldn't consider anything that doesn't have rebar on it either. NVME and USB 3.1. The last few gens have been such flops the second hand market sucks now though. So I'm holding out a few more years with what I have. I don't want anything brand new. That's problematic with Linux. Plus everything new now sucks. It's really stuffed things up what PCs have been up to lately. Just not a good time.
Came here to suggest that should he want to easily see the details of the machine, just to have a Linux Live USB lying around. Boot from stick quickly, browse around being nosy on the HDD etc.
@@1pcfred Bought a 'brand new' (but not particularly flashy) gaming machine inc. decent graphics for my youngest last year. No particular problems with Linux on it so far. Think we only ever booted it into Windows to check it worked after purchase.
@@OnStageLighting Linux can work on new hardware but I have had issues too. If a hardware manufacturer supports Linux at all generally Linux support is a lower priority than commercial OSes. So drivers take longer to develop for Linux. Sometimes "new" hardware isn't particularly new either and older drivers can run it. I've just added device IDs to drivers and had hardware supported. Those numbers are how the kernel knows what hardware is. If it finds a match then it knows what it is. But none of that is anything I really want to do. I'd rather someone else did it and it just worked for me. So I run Linux on hardware that's got some age to it anymore.
@@OnStageLighting yeah Linux doesn't need any passwords to access Windows partitions. Does Windows even have filesystem encryption? I don't know. Live sessions will mount any partitions they find by default because why not? Maybe that's why Microsoft is insisting on TPM being a requirement now? I don't know what TPM is actually supposed to do. It's some kind of security BS as I understand.
oh geezzz a PACKIT HELL 😂
Yeah but it has an Asus motherboard. I like Asus. I'm running an Asus board right now. I have an Asus Z87-A it's posh.
Based on the fact you live on a rock in the middle of the sea, when will have had through your hands all the PC's that have been shipped there since the 90's 🙂
I didnt think Packard Bell was still around in the P4 Era, My First PC was a Packard Bell 80286
Yup, I did a tour with PB which was to present their new P4 ranges to Dixons Stores Group employees. I feel like those boxes / brands were the kind some Herbert in Curry's sold to your parents.
More videos PCB repair for Aircon please..
next one thursday....
Hi Richard the prev hp pc they used this motherboard because they had issues of getting motherboard from china for hp. Steveb
i like the hp i7 pc pal a bargin for a 10er
When you suggested that the first machine could have had a 3.4GHz processor I almost fell off my chair. Not in a Packard Bell! 😅
The graphics card is indeed a radeon 9550, but notice that there's no DVI port. On a fully populated board I believe you could run each port independently (for 2 monitors) so the lack of DVI makes me wonder if the chip has a fault in that part and it was sold as VGA only.
I thought it was a P4 skt478 motherboard due to the style of the heatsink and the mounting bracket. It also is 800MHz FSB so the fastest P4 Skt 478 ever made was the 3.4GHz and they sell for good money. I have one a few years ago from a flea market PC and sold the CPU for £100 on ebay
I never had a P4 system, went from a severeley overclocked 386DX (with an 83Mhz bus) to slot 1 I/II and switched to Athlon XP and 64 systems way back when.
Never seen that populair in the Netherlands I think? Love the HP case tho!
But will it be retro? I don't know honoustly. To me retro is anything pre x86 since I started with a VC20/C64 and several Amiga's. 🙂
Retro PC is up to Windows XP. P4 was around the time of Athlon 2000-2007 My PC 4 PCs ago was a P4. I had a 2 GHz one. It was OK.
I had a P4 in a laptop which was both massive and loud.
Packard Bell existed into the Windows XP days? I thought it died off after Windows 95.
I upgraded a friend's PB laptop to Win10! Quite a good little machine for its time.
Personally I wouldn't waste my time with anything less than a GTX-750 2gb on PCIe. I like the GTX-980 on my Windows XP retro builds, I'm sure they will all increase in value as they become rarer.
It's nothing to do with performance... from what I have seen of the retro PC collecting scene then often the 'first of a kind' and 'last of a kind' hold good values. Same with 'fastest of a kind'. So for example the most valuable retro AGP graphics cards are the fastest ones ever made which were also the last of their kind. Then there are special cases like voodoo cards... I have a banshee, voodoo 2, 3 and 4 now and the voodoo 4 is by far the more valuable but they are all highly collectable. Look at Socket 7 boards... the most valuable, by a long way, are Super Socket 7 with K6 processors on them. Then there are first of a kind, so the first ever GPU was the Geforce 256, I've found two so far, one I sold for 100 pounds (UK) and the other I kept for myself. Based on that I was projecting that high end (not this one) first generation core i7 motherboards and the first ever GTX cards, which were the GTX260/GTX280 could become valuable collectables in about 10 years, especially the GTX280 due to more scarcity and higher performance. Of course I have no idea what the future will bring, it's just a gut feeling... so I would say if it interests you get one or two of those cards now and speculate. You could also speculate the GTX1080ti the fastest of it's kind/generation could also become more collectable and valuable in the next decade.
Yeah great👍
I'm sure you've been asked many times before but what hardware are you using to capture the video? Many thanks.
I think I've answered this one before 😉 ua-cam.com/video/yrVwkJidC9Y/v-deo.html
I suspect that round about September 2025 a lot of perfectly fine systems will be dumped because they cannot run Windows11. I say perfectly fine, because they'll still be good systems for running Linux or a BSD variant depending on what you use a computer for of course...
I have a soft spot for the BSDs, but dude seriously? I am eating my dinner. 🙂
If that gtx 260 actually has 1.8gb vram it is probably worth more
I only say 1.8Gb because I googled GTX 260 and that was the spec I found
I wouldn't really call the packard bell PC retro
That people that use a pc from XP era up to Windows 10 piss me off, cheapos even have the nerve to sell them when they are already dying.
How rude 🙄
People that use Windows piss me off too. Get a real OS.
@@1pcfred linux is not a real os, is garbage
@@Krushernl sure cheapo
Am safe from your wrath as I stopped at XP. Was not bad. My last XP was a now much maligned netbook which I found really useful at the time.