I love this troop, but the issues with being in captivity is really apparent. In the wild, Kiyomasa would have left. But in captivity he has no where to go and Shabani is just doing his silverback thing and asserting his dominance for Kiyomasa to stay away from the females. And poor Ai, I get the sense she just isn’t into Shabani. In the wild, females get to pick their silverbacks. Females usually leave their familial troop as well, but in captivity, Ai doesn’t have the option either. These gorillas are behaving by instincts, but being in captivity severely limits them
What a powerful scream AI has and so loud. I actually like watching her let rip and chase Shabani. Makes me think, though, that Nene is in the basement and she must be able to hear her daughter's screams from there. She must surely be either physically contained in an area or else simply not strong enough to climb out the basement because, all those videos in the past we've seen of her, I'm certain she would run over hot coals and climb mountains to join in the chase if she heard her daughter's call. She never once let a Shabani chase go without joining in.
I feel bad for Annie. She’s always in the middle of the fights trying to calm everyone down. I’m afraid she’s gonna get hurt some day and that would be bad.
Kiyo is growing into a handsome silverback just like Gentaro. It’s hard watching both Kiyo and Gentaro on edge with their fathers…Gentaro especially since he doesn’t have nearly as much space at his enclosure…Kiyo at least has room but it’s still a very stressful situation for him and his father…There’s only room for one silverback in each troop.
Actually, that's not entirely true. I mean, it probably is with this troop, but check out this video that I found out here. It's of a big group of wild gorillas that had at least FOUR silverbacks in it that I could see! I was thinking it might be a bachelor group or something, but they have a little scuffle and when some of them start to disperse it sure looks like they have some females and young gorillas in the group too. It's probably pretty rare. But still, it's interesting don't you think? ua-cam.com/video/JpVceS6w_PE/v-deo.html
Hakao is far worse. He wanted to be chased all the time, but worse, he is extremely hard on Momoko and can be very mean. Someone who knew their father, Kibabu said that their father was like this too. IMO Shabani is a far more gentle silverback. But, both Momoko and Nene were hand raised from babyhood and lived through the trauma of being taken from their troupe and it is possible that the ladies don't give a subtle cue of submission that a troupe raised gorilla would and that could be factored in as well. Also, hierarchy is everything to a gorilla and the silverback always asserts his dominance one way or another in all troupes. Shabani has control by not hurting his family though even though he is throwing fear into them. All the zoos are going to have to soon come to terms with the males though. I would hate to see the boys moved to a sub standard zoo though. Japan has some very elderly males where they are well cared for and perhaps they will end up taking one or more of the boys eventually. But being a solitary gorilla is a hard life too.
7:50 😭😭😭 Kiyomasa is obviously very sad & lonely, you can see him shaking with anxiety 😓he’s not only being socially stunted but also physically stunted as well. Why dose this zoo let this continue? They gain nothing from him being tormented.😓
Shabani was on one today! 😡 He has everyone riled up even Annie! They did get their exercise in that's for sure. The chase was in full swing with many angry 😡 participants.
This simply cannot go on. Nene was a formidable Alpha Female during her time with the troop. Ai is fed up and trying to do her best and Annie is to compromised by Shabani keeping her alive and raising her. They can’t even correct Shabani’s behavior though because this is natural. Kiyo is maturing into a Silverback and they cannot co exist. 07:50 I burst into tears. Deplorable look at Kiyo he’s shaking his body and his lip. We often talk about the zoos there but maybe something can be done to contact and appeal to Taronga Zoo who transferred Shabani there. There is no way to know if they were promised certain expansions of enclosures or what went into the decision but they need help regardless. Somebody has to care surely. I don’t know how anyone can look at Kiyo at 07:50 and not be devastated.
It’s heartbreaking😓💔, he shouldn’t have to go through this😭! But unfortunately some individuals love seeing him fear for his life and think it’s perfectly normal & fine. It’s disturbing.😢
It's hard not to compare to human behaviour when you watch gorillas. Watching Shabani and AI in particular, I'm reminded of a school playground of 5 year olds where the tallest (biggest) boy tugs the girls' ponytails, just to tease them and get a reaction. They duly oblige by chasing him off. In this case, Shabani seems to want to be chased round the enclosure and be screamed at by AI. Chase me! Chase me!
@@GrandRegentSScratch It is normal behavior TF. They behave the exact same way in the wild, the only difference is kiyo can't leave because he's in a zoo
@@jasmijncyrine3862 Kiyomasa is not a “new male”? He was always living there. He would have left the troop by now to start his own family but he’s being confined against his will. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about LOL.
@@KINGPHANTOMw85KIYO WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE BY NOW!!! this wouldn’t have happened in the wild because he would have left, so intern it isn’t natural. I get that you people enjoy seeing Kiyomasa getting hurt but this a new level of deranged.🤦🏻♂️
I hope Kiyo and Gentaro can at least form a bachelor group or join one if they can’t start their own families. But I really hope they can find females to place them with and they get on and start families. Would be so sad if they never got to have families of their own. 😢
They are both on the verge on been silverbacks. Well especially Gentaro, he is huge now. Yeah they both need to be put in bachelor group and have Riki and Kintaro join in a couple years
His son is a male who will mate with his mother, or sisters. That's why in the wild males are pushed out of the herd by a certain age in all animals. They don't practice incest like humans.
Omg what is happening to Kiyomasa? I've never seen him shake and do that thing with his lip at the 7:50 mark! What is happening with the troop? Shabani, what are you doing to them?😢❤ This is not a happy troop!
8:03 we have never seen Kyomasa do that with his lower lip, we guess that is a frown and he's very upset,...but wisely kept out of the danger zone. They all looked ticked off, that tight lip is not happiness.
It looks as if Ai is trying to keep Shabani from coupling with Annie. I could be wrong, but it looks like she's attached herself to Annie like some furry chastity belt. LOL
Everyone knows Shabani & Annie have an unbreakable bond. As a child, Nene attacked Annie & Ai did nothing. Shabani protected Annie from Nene. Ai will never control Annie like Nene controlled Ai.
She is feisty,but Shabani wants her to do what he wants and he won't let up while his son is around unfortunately.Just more neglect from the zoo they know Kiyo shouldn't be in that troop anymore and like all Japanese zoos,the animals will be the one's to suffer and just look what they have done to poor Nene.Until Kiyo and Annie are gone it will continue because Ai is the only female now to mate with and she is not having it and they probably have her on the pill,I have never seen her go into oestrus since I ever first began watching this family.
Until they re-home Annie and Kiamosa, they should be put on the pill. Who knows, maybe they are already.I dont think Shebani will survive if Annie left the troop. 😢
To me, kiyo wasn't shaking..he thinks he can do as he wants. Stirs up problems with him there. Shabani probably caught kiyo trying to mate with his sisters again.
These females willingly gave it up to Kiyomasa. Shabani should watch videos of Haoko, so he can learn how to be a boss. These females never respected kind-hearted Shabani.
@@mmaphilosophy Not even close. Djeeco lays the smack down when he needs to, thats why his wives are affectionate. Females of all species hate kind hearted nice guys. This is observable. Maybe shabani realizes this too and is now acting out like a dominant male should
It isn’t Shabani fault , come Sandra! Don’t you remember that people used to say that Shabani was too lenient with Kiyo? For sure you saw those videos, where Nene undermined Shabani and Shabani most of the time didn’t retaliate against her unless it was to defend Annie. I bet you saw Aí and Nene treating Annie terrible and because Nene is sick doesn’t make her a saint too. And it’s terrible that you get together with Shabani’s haters and no keep with the truth and dignity specially yours!
Kiyo is getting hairy forearms,indicating his growth towards full silverback.I’m guessing,but he would surpass Shabani in strength in three years time.,so Shabani is boss until then.The zoo keepers would have an excellent idea of when the takeover will happen.I for one,enjoy watching these boisterous tussles between all the troupe.I loved seeing one of the females hanging on closely to her mother(?),for protection.🌺🤗💕👍🖖
Poor Ai & Kiyo😥😓, Shabani The Bully is back at it again, he sure as hell isn’t protecting anyone, No wonder nobody want’s anything to do with him! He’s not a nice gorilla.
Oh! 😮 There's a lot going on today. 0:42 Mom Ai and daughter Annie are on Shabani's heels, but 🤔 why I wonder. Kiyomasa 1:37 is turning into a magnificent 💪 muscle bound handsome fella 💋. Ok now back to the situation at hand. 2:41 Shabani appears to be in full 🦍 silverback mode/mood today, and 3:00 Ai isn't having any of it. Oh dear 🥴. Wonder what started it. 3:50 Today Kiyomasa is like: Yes you're the head man in charge 🦍 dad. 4:24 😆 Kiyo avoided the hostility, and went 👉 around the corner to fetch a snack. 5:50 Ok round 2. Obviously something happened that we didn't see. Everyone is upset. Shabani 6:37 run for your dear life sweetie, for you have provoked your entire troop. 8:22 Delicious 🍆🥒🍅🥬 food is served. 8:48 Shabani: What? I'm just asserting some dominance making sure to keep everyone on their toes. Me: Ok then 🤷. 10:16 All is calm now. 👋 Hello good keepers Annie wants a treat!
Shabani wasn’t never a dictator, you are the one projecting on him. Shabani most the time playing , loved and defended his kids. Matter of fact People used to say that him was very lenient with Kiyo let him be defended all the time to his mother without retaliate much against her like Genki’s mother killed by silverback. Shabani just running and then stop and don’t do nothing and Aí, Nenê and Kiyo stop and don’t do nothing….. therefore if Shabani relatiated he could kill one of them. Shabani just stop them to defend his daughter Annie that both Aí and Nene used to abuse. Yes abused just watch the video of a “ History of Annie “ a true video that shows Aí and Nene weren’t the angel depicted. The people that have watched the troop for a long time , watched the truth videos!
Ai chasing Shabani reminds me of the good ole' days of Nene.
I love this troop, but the issues with being in captivity is really apparent. In the wild, Kiyomasa would have left. But in captivity he has no where to go and Shabani is just doing his silverback thing and asserting his dominance for Kiyomasa to stay away from the females. And poor Ai, I get the sense she just isn’t into Shabani. In the wild, females get to pick their silverbacks. Females usually leave their familial troop as well, but in captivity, Ai doesn’t have the option either.
These gorillas are behaving by instincts, but being in captivity severely limits them
Ai did not grow up with a silverback. Her dad died and she was raised by Nene and an auntie. This probably affects her relationship to Shabani.
They have said in the past that she was on birth control. If that is still the case that would effect her not wanting to mate.
@ That's true!
I like how the female gorillas don’t let anyone hurt them without putting up a fight. I like Kiyo staying out of the mess.
What a powerful scream AI has and so loud. I actually like watching her let rip and chase Shabani. Makes me think, though, that Nene is in the basement and she must be able to hear her daughter's screams from there. She must surely be either physically contained in an area or else simply not strong enough to climb out the basement because, all those videos in the past we've seen of her, I'm certain she would run over hot coals and climb mountains to join in the chase if she heard her daughter's call. She never once let a Shabani chase go without joining in.
Like mother like daughter~
Kiyo is getting very handsome 🤩🤩 Annie is absolutely adorable 🥰🥰
I feel bad for Annie. She’s always in the middle of the fights trying to calm everyone down. I’m afraid she’s gonna get hurt some day and that would be bad.
I’m afraid AI clinging to her so much is gonna get her hurt too.
@@lady4vols Agreed Annie always right there going come on we are a happy gorilla 🦍 family troop😀
@@lady4vols Wow,, I’m sorry but how? Or because Annie is staying my her mum?
@@ZombieQueen819 AI is staying with Annie. I think she thinks that will keep Shabani away.
Kiyo is growing into a handsome silverback just like Gentaro. It’s hard watching both Kiyo and Gentaro on edge with their fathers…Gentaro especially since he doesn’t have nearly as much space at his enclosure…Kiyo at least has room but it’s still a very stressful situation for him and his father…There’s only room for one silverback in each troop.
Actually, that's not entirely true. I mean, it probably is with this troop, but check out this video that I found out here. It's of a big group of wild gorillas that had at least FOUR silverbacks in it that I could see! I was thinking it might be a bachelor group or something, but they have a little scuffle and when some of them start to disperse it sure looks like they have some females and young gorillas in the group too. It's probably pretty rare. But still, it's interesting don't you think?
ua-cam.com/video/JpVceS6w_PE/v-deo.html
Hakao is far worse. He wanted to be chased all the time, but worse, he is extremely hard on Momoko and can be very mean. Someone who knew their father, Kibabu said that their father was like this too. IMO Shabani is a far more gentle silverback. But, both Momoko and Nene were hand raised from babyhood and lived through the trauma of being taken from their troupe and it is possible that the ladies don't give a subtle cue of submission that a troupe raised gorilla would and that could be factored in as well. Also, hierarchy is everything to a gorilla and the silverback always asserts his dominance one way or another in all troupes. Shabani has control by not hurting his family though even though he is throwing fear into them. All the zoos are going to have to soon come to terms with the males though. I would hate to see the boys moved to a sub standard zoo though. Japan has some very elderly males where they are well cared for and perhaps they will end up taking one or more of the boys eventually. But being a solitary gorilla is a hard life too.
7:50 😭😭😭 Kiyomasa is obviously very sad & lonely, you can see him shaking with anxiety 😓he’s not only being socially stunted but also physically stunted as well. Why dose this zoo let this continue? They gain nothing from him being tormented.😓
Like I said before Ai resembles a young Nene. 🦍💕
I think Kiyo is so stressed out .
Why is there TWO Males
Shabani was on one today! 😡 He has everyone riled up even Annie! They did get their exercise in that's for sure. The chase was in full swing with many angry 😡 participants.
This simply cannot go on. Nene was a formidable Alpha Female during her time with the troop. Ai is fed up and trying to do her best and Annie is to compromised by Shabani keeping her alive and raising her. They can’t even correct Shabani’s behavior though because this is natural. Kiyo is maturing into a Silverback and they cannot co exist. 07:50 I burst into tears. Deplorable look at Kiyo he’s shaking his body and his lip. We often talk about the zoos there but maybe something can be done to contact and appeal to Taronga Zoo who transferred Shabani there. There is no way to know if they were promised certain expansions of enclosures or what went into the decision but they need help regardless. Somebody has to care surely. I don’t know how anyone can look at Kiyo at 07:50 and not be devastated.
It’s heartbreaking😓💔, he shouldn’t have to go through this😭! But unfortunately some individuals love seeing him fear for his life and think it’s perfectly normal & fine. It’s disturbing.😢
It's hard not to compare to human behaviour when you watch gorillas. Watching Shabani and AI in particular, I'm reminded of a school playground of 5 year olds where the tallest (biggest) boy tugs the girls' ponytails, just to tease them and get a reaction. They duly oblige by chasing him off. In this case, Shabani seems to want to be chased round the enclosure and be screamed at by AI. Chase me! Chase me!
0:42 Ai uses Annie as a shield😂
I wonder if nene gets excited when she hears the shrieking.
3:00 Shabani hit Ai inside, probably because of Kiyo. Gorilla relations are so interesting and complicated :D
This isn’t normal behavior.
@@GrandRegentSScratch It is normal behavior TF. They behave the exact same way in the wild, the only difference is kiyo can't leave because he's in a zoo
@@GrandRegentSScratchyes it is! When introducing a new male to families, always goes together with a few slaps here and there by the male....
@@jasmijncyrine3862 Kiyomasa is not a “new male”? He was always living there. He would have left the troop by now to start his own family but he’s being confined against his will. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about LOL.
@@KINGPHANTOMw85KIYO WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE BY NOW!!! this wouldn’t have happened in the wild because he would have left, so intern it isn’t natural. I get that you people enjoy seeing Kiyomasa getting hurt but this a new level of deranged.🤦🏻♂️
6:45 Ai looks so much like her mam here.
To see kiyo like that broke my heart 😢
Is nene ok i miss her
I been wondering the same thing but soooooooo afraid to ask😢 Hoping/praying all is well with her and she getting stronger/better❤❤❤
I would love to see Kiyo grow in a thriving environment and have the opportunity to start his own family and troop. Shabani needs a vacation - solo.
Shabani is doing to Ai what he use to do to Nene. Onery gorilla. LOL
I hope Kiyo and Gentaro can at least form a bachelor group or join one if they can’t start their own families. But I really hope they can find females to place them with and they get on and start families. Would be so sad if they never got to have families of their own. 😢
They are both on the verge on been silverbacks. Well especially Gentaro, he is huge now. Yeah they both need to be put in bachelor group and have Riki and Kintaro join in a couple years
His son is a male who will mate with his mother, or sisters. That's why in the wild males are pushed out of the herd by a certain age in all animals. They don't practice incest like humans.
Shabani is like J.R. Ewing. He's conniving, but this series would be canceled without him.
Where is Nene? What happened to her?
They haven’t said unfortunately I believe she’s still downstairs in her own room being monitored for medicine and nutrition
And also situations like this😢
Would it be possible to “trade” kiyo for a female of similar age?
Omg what is happening to Kiyomasa? I've never seen him shake and do that thing with his lip at the 7:50 mark! What is happening with the troop? Shabani, what are you doing to them?😢❤ This is not a happy troop!
Kiyomasa is at the age where the Silverback throws him out of the troop but the zoo is caring for the troop.
@dancertm Thanks! I understand but it's just( I guess I attach human emotions to it) sad to see Kiyomasa so visibly upset.
Gentaro is going through the same situation in Momotaro troop. I feel so sorry for them both.
@PinkCottonCandy88 I'm sorry to hear that!
@@PinkCottonCandy88 Yes, that's true. The the zoo new this when he was born; there's no excuse for this.
Anyone else think Kiyomasa looks like Hasani Jr from the LA zoo ?
Look out big daddy you did it now,you stepped out of line with the ladies !you better keep running 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🇯🇵🇺🇸🇯🇵🇺🇸🇯🇵🇯🇵🇺🇸
8:03 we have never seen Kyomasa do that with his lower lip, we guess that is a frown and he's very upset,...but wisely kept out of the danger zone. They all looked ticked off, that tight lip is not happiness.
It looks as if Ai is trying to keep Shabani from coupling with Annie. I could be wrong, but it looks like she's attached herself to Annie like some furry chastity belt. LOL
Everyone knows Shabani & Annie have an unbreakable bond. As a child, Nene attacked Annie & Ai did nothing. Shabani protected Annie from Nene. Ai will never control Annie like Nene controlled Ai.
They are actually trying to stop him from getting to Kiyomasa
I agree, I’ve seen Shabani mating with his daughter Annie in other videos so it doesn’t surprise me.
@@maryharris2629nene was protecting her child kiyomasa form an intruder, nothing more.
She is feisty,but Shabani wants her to do what he wants and he won't let up while his son is around unfortunately.Just more neglect from the zoo they know Kiyo shouldn't be in that troop anymore and like all Japanese zoos,the animals will be the one's to suffer and just look what they have done to poor Nene.Until Kiyo and Annie are gone it will continue because Ai is the only female now to mate with and she is not having it and they probably have her on the pill,I have never seen her go into oestrus since I ever first began watching this family.
@@KMichealElite. They are far from stupid and the way they behave is how they communicate.They are smarter than any human.
@@ChristineCole-kl4vu they behave extremely unintelligently,
Why isn't this zoo doing something about getting kiyomasa out of there , thay can't keep living with all this stress, shabani might have a stroke 😢😢
Until they re-home Annie and Kiamosa, they should be put on the pill. Who knows, maybe they are already.I dont think Shebani will survive if Annie left the troop. 😢
They are so bored!
To me, kiyo wasn't shaking..he thinks he can do as he wants. Stirs up problems with him there. Shabani probably caught kiyo trying to mate with his sisters again.
These females willingly gave it up to Kiyomasa. Shabani should watch videos of Haoko, so he can learn how to be a boss. These females never respected kind-hearted Shabani.
@@maryharris2629It will happen to D'jeeco to in the future. He is kind hearted to like Shabani
@@maryharris2629we get it, you HATE Ai and are trying to slander her name, but it won’t work.😉
@@maryharris2629 Just like human females. Don't be A shabani, be a djeeco or haoko.
@@mmaphilosophy Not even close. Djeeco lays the smack down when he needs to, thats why his wives are affectionate. Females of all species hate kind hearted nice guys. This is observable. Maybe shabani realizes this too and is now acting out like a dominant male should
This troop just can't hold it together without Nene. They're so stressed.😕😕
I wholeheartedly agree, Nene put Shabani in his place & reminded him that he can’t just attack and walk all over them whenever he wants.
I totally agree.
It isn’t Shabani fault , come Sandra! Don’t you remember that people used to say that Shabani was too lenient with Kiyo? For sure you saw those videos, where Nene undermined Shabani and Shabani most of the time didn’t retaliate against her unless it was to defend Annie. I bet you saw Aí and Nene treating Annie terrible and because Nene is sick doesn’t make her a saint too. And it’s terrible that you get together with Shabani’s haters and no keep with the truth and dignity specially yours!
@@stevemorris6790we get it, you passionately HATE Ai & Nene and are trying to slander their names. But it will NEVER work.😉
Kiyo is getting hairy forearms,indicating his growth towards full silverback.I’m guessing,but he would surpass Shabani in strength in three years time.,so Shabani is boss until then.The zoo keepers would have an excellent idea of when the takeover will happen.I for one,enjoy watching these boisterous tussles between all the troupe.I loved seeing one of the females hanging on closely to her mother(?),for protection.🌺🤗💕👍🖖
People think Shabani is a nice but he is not, he isn't evil, he is just a gorilla. There is no evolutionary advantage to be nice for most animals.
Shabani got the short end of the stick. They paired Shabani with a controlling mother & a frigid daughter.
@@maryharris2629😂😂😂oh come ON!😂😂😂
@@maryharris2629blah blah blah, everyone knows you hate mature females gorillas.
@@maryharris2629 Wow your not very well in the top paddock are you?
@@maryharris2629 For sure. 2 terrible options. I wish he got iriki and tayari
Poor Ai & Kiyo😥😓, Shabani The Bully is back at it again, he sure as hell isn’t protecting anyone, No wonder nobody want’s anything to do with him! He’s not a nice gorilla.
Oh! 😮 There's a lot going on today. 0:42 Mom Ai and daughter Annie are on Shabani's heels, but 🤔 why I wonder. Kiyomasa 1:37 is turning into a magnificent 💪 muscle bound handsome fella 💋. Ok now back to the situation at hand. 2:41 Shabani appears to be in full 🦍 silverback mode/mood today, and 3:00 Ai isn't having any of it. Oh dear 🥴. Wonder what started it. 3:50 Today Kiyomasa is like: Yes you're the head man in charge 🦍 dad. 4:24 😆 Kiyo avoided the hostility, and went 👉 around the corner to fetch a snack. 5:50 Ok round 2. Obviously something happened that we didn't see. Everyone is upset. Shabani 6:37 run for your dear life sweetie, for you have provoked your entire troop. 8:22 Delicious 🍆🥒🍅🥬 food is served. 8:48 Shabani: What? I'm just asserting some dominance making sure to keep everyone on their toes. Me: Ok then 🤷. 10:16 All is calm now. 👋 Hello good keepers Annie wants a treat!
Get Him Ai💪🏻🦍! Show him that he can’t & will never be able to become the dictator he wants to be! Ai deserves a better silverback.
Woke culture does not exhist in the Gorilla world😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@jasmijncyrine3862nobody said anything about “Woke Culture”, that you’re own projection.🙄
@@jasmijncyrine3862when did the commenter say anything about “Woke Culture”???
Shabani wasn’t never a dictator, you are the one projecting on him. Shabani most the time playing , loved and defended his kids. Matter of fact People used to say that him was very lenient with Kiyo let him be defended all the time to his mother without retaliate much against her like Genki’s mother killed by silverback. Shabani just running and then stop and don’t do nothing and Aí, Nenê and Kiyo stop and don’t do nothing….. therefore if Shabani relatiated he could kill one of them. Shabani just stop them to defend his daughter Annie that both Aí and Nene used to abuse. Yes abused just watch the video of a “ History of Annie “ a true video that shows Aí and Nene weren’t the angel depicted. The people that have watched the troop for a long time , watched the truth videos!
@@jasmijncyrine3862give it a rest 🙄