Whaddup Ian, deck is sweet. Just a quick 'umm actually' sort of comment 😓- You mentioned at 5:44 that you would only net mana with Mox Amber if you had your commander out, but as a reminder Mox Amber actually can tap for mana from Planeswalkers as well.
As a compliment to Alter of the Brood, Have you thought about using the Initiative? White Plume Adventurer or Sarevok's Tome could work. With infinite ETBs, you can infinitely go into the undercity and go down the path of dealing 5 damage to target opponent. This doesn't get around one ring protection, but could be helpful to actually close games out.
I am so stoked about this deck tech!!! I had a Yorion, Sky Nomad light-stax list which I retired because I was having trouble closing out games. It was so good at controlling the table and setting up outrageous value engines with Yorion + Felidar drawing cards on everyone's turns and resetting all of your mana. I wasn't on Naru Meha or Altar and I think those lines will be just what I need to close out games. Thanks so much! Yorion back on the menu! Love your beach of a deck
I saw this card and thought it was amazing and all my friends thought I was insane. Needless to say I feel validated and I’m thrilled to see what you did with it :)
NGL, I almost would've put money on you showcasing a Rev, Tithe Extractor Cedh deck. I just finished my list a day ago & played a few games. It is actually really viable if you can get her out quickly & she sticks. I know mono-colored decks aren't usually that strong but my reasoning behind it was, she can create treasures each turn & grab spells not normally in her colors to cast. The amount of redundency within the Cedh decks at my LGS means I theoretically could combo out using two exiled spells from two different opponents.
so funny thing is I was doing altar of the brood lines in derevi because of the entire basis of this deck which is flickering infinitely! I really enjoy the idea of this deck and will probably be looking into doing a little more with some ideas from this list because quite honestly, really cool deck tech!
Hey Ian, its a month late and I don’t know if you’ll see or respond, but let’s say you brewed this in a pre-ban world. What would you cut to make room for lotus and crypt? My playgroup doesn’t enforce the bans and i’d love to try this list, but feel it would for sure be a lotus and crypt deck if it could be.
@@arkknight92 He pointed to the amulet as being uncuttable in this deck. I ultimately went with going down one island as you said, and the Talisman of Progress.
Curious if you tested valley flood caller combo? Seems like a decent line. Infinite Mana then last bounces plagon. Replay plagon draw x. Most spells untap the otter to replay plagon then manual through your deck. Also another line to justify blind obedience. But I suppose otter is a bit awkward with 28 creatures. And no sorceries to speak of.
While there are a number of specific inclusions that are looking to exploit the P/T clause of the commander, it's nice just how often Plagon reads "ETB: draw a card for each good creature you control."
I've been toying with a jank CEDH around Volo, Itinerant Scholar and Folk Hero and this list actually gave me ideas to fill in my last 8 slots I just couldn't fill
Plagon is a great piece in Brago, but I’ve been convinced to make the jump to this deck. Loved Raff in testing and managed to pull off a combat win with him.
I started playing something similar in brawl on Arena last week, and had also been looking to dip my toes into CEDH for awhile now. Seems like this might be a good entry point. Thanks!
This video inspired me to actually play Arena for the first time in months and make the deck there for Brawl. Have you ever considered Azure Beastbinder? It's a card that put in work when I played Derevi, and there's a use case for it sniping opposing stax pieces to let you combo off second main phase.
@ComedIanMtg I really like this deck and i’m trying to recreate a budget version of this deck without the really expensive cards like the moxes and the grim monolith and so on. Do you have any suggestion on how i can replace those cards? Thank you!
so do you basically keep drawing until you get altar of the brood? i see the infinite blink effects but it doesnt really end with damage or mill without brood.
Or extorting via blind obedience. In playing this so far Altar of the Brood scares people, but they'll generally let Blind Obedience sit on the table because they're only thinking about the entering tapped part and not the possibility of infinite mana + infinite extorts.
Hey why play archivist of oghma over faerie mastermind? With you playing smothering tithe it seems like mastermind has more upside plus it’s a way to dump excess mana into it if need be. Do you find archivist tends to draw more cards or it is just because it’s more bowmasters proof
Ever thought about doing a build of this deck with persistent petitioners? They're all 1/3, and Plagon could help you find the pieces to win like Bruvac or Intruder Alarm.
Dude this is so spicy, I need to put this together. Any thoughts/opinions on potential flex slots or weak points you think are more cuttable than others, perhaps? I saw GAAIV in the sideboard and I stan that card way too hard lol but I'd love to run it
You've probably seen it, but Relic of Legends is a new take on an old classic: Honor-Worn Shaku. For our intents and purposes, it's the same card except only creates colorless mana.
I initally thought that Naru Meha was Naban, but would you consider Naban in the deck too because a lot of the impactful creatures aree wizards and it is another way to double etb triggers. Great deck tech!
I saw your original list from your top16 and i took it and changed it for me and have been doing fairly well and enjoyed most games with plagon. However i did add Thassa/Lab Maniac for the odd cases you can win with them.
My original thought with Plagon was more artifact leaning, was one of your earlier iterations explore that already since you’re already playing with the three 0drop creatures & Urza/Sai/Emry all have big butts?
Is merchant scroll something you would consider in this deck since it doesn’t have the issue of mystical tutor of giving up the draw step and still grabs blur and ghostly flicker?
It feels like Trinket Mage can have a very good place in this deck….. 🤔🤔 It can search for altar of the brood, any of the zero drop artifact creatures, any of the mana positive rocks, grafdigger’s cage, and is blinkable…. 😇
Btw gilded drake is fr busted in yhis sort of deck. Play og flicker alongside phelia if you arent already. Ive played a lot of abdel adrian. Never had money to go out and do a bunch of tourneys but a lot of this decks layering reminds me of abdel. Heavy air on moxfield if you wanna see the too short history of my noted edits to it.
It should go down in history that Mox Amber and Teferi were made for each other because with Kitty you have infinite blue and white mana with no commander needed to win….. it’s GG because of the mox/2 color planeswalker and you will have the whole deck in your hand already
Been testing it and I agree with comparisons to Nadu and how you storm starving for mana. You said that Hullbreacher may be cut, how about Valley Floodcaller or Isochron for mana combos? Also is there a discord for Plagon?
Floodcaller doesn't win here unfortunately as plagon won't trigger the caller. Infinite mana combos without an outlet in the zone are usually pretty problematically bad
any thoughts on acrobatic maneuver or scrollshift against blur? I feel being a nonblue spell is often pure upside and TECHNICALLY scrollshift can do extra
I'm just starting to dip my toes in CEDH, but why is Plagon a better choice than other blink commanders? Is it mostly because card draw is stapled on it?
Lots of overlap with current "bant" builds. But love the spin and people will love the star fish before the sponge Bob drop. Good timing on this list. Respect
@@ivanjoseph2224 haven’t thought about until now, good call! I think it’s probably a bit worse by a considerable margin but I could see a world where it is still worth testing
@ Thanks for taking the time to reply. I really appreciate your thinking process and approach to the game. Honor worn shaku probably dosen’t make the cut do to the 3 cmc and only tapping for colorless. Either way keep innovating and creating awesome content.
With Scheming Fence you want to barter with the Necro player. Tell them you will let it resolve if they are chill and only draw like 3 cards for the first activation. Step 2: LOL
Ive been tinkering with patrick star I would suggest adding aethervial and or scrollshift Vials help you out casting random creatures and since your curve tops out at 4 it wouldnt be that bad Scroll shift isa redundant copy of blur that isnt that bad
The Patrick secret lair is gonna be baller
Whaddup Ian, deck is sweet. Just a quick 'umm actually' sort of comment 😓- You mentioned at 5:44 that you would only net mana with Mox Amber if you had your commander out, but as a reminder Mox Amber actually can tap for mana from Planeswalkers as well.
It always confuses me, when you're wearing sleeves.
Abdel Adrian and candlekeep sage has been reborn as a meta deck.
This deck looks so fun!
Yo, scheming fence is so slept on. Being able to have a mana vault or one ring copy with zero downside for 2 mana is unreal
As a compliment to Alter of the Brood, Have you thought about using the Initiative? White Plume Adventurer or Sarevok's Tome could work. With infinite ETBs, you can infinitely go into the undercity and go down the path of dealing 5 damage to target opponent. This doesn't get around one ring protection, but could be helpful to actually close games out.
This is one of the most (high-power) casual EDH cEDH lists I've seen you play. I love it.
This is the third deck I've seen in the past month or so running Ornithopter/Sphere/Walker packages. I love this meta.
Is mayonnaise a cEDH viable commander?
I am so stoked about this deck tech!!! I had a Yorion, Sky Nomad light-stax list which I retired because I was having trouble closing out games. It was so good at controlling the table and setting up outrageous value engines with Yorion + Felidar drawing cards on everyone's turns and resetting all of your mana. I wasn't on Naru Meha or Altar and I think those lines will be just what I need to close out games. Thanks so much! Yorion back on the menu! Love your beach of a deck
I saw this card and thought it was amazing and all my friends thought I was insane. Needless to say I feel validated and I’m thrilled to see what you did with it :)
NGL, I almost would've put money on you showcasing a Rev, Tithe Extractor Cedh deck. I just finished my list a day ago & played a few games. It is actually really viable if you can get her out quickly & she sticks. I know mono-colored decks aren't usually that strong but my reasoning behind it was, she can create treasures each turn & grab spells not normally in her colors to cast. The amount of redundency within the Cedh decks at my LGS means I theoretically could combo out using two exiled spells from two different opponents.
so funny thing is I was doing altar of the brood lines in derevi because of the entire basis of this deck which is flickering infinitely! I really enjoy the idea of this deck and will probably be looking into doing a little more with some ideas from this list because quite honestly, really cool deck tech!
Finally!!! I’ve been a Naru Meha enjoyer from day 1. I’m showing my age a bit but she was my 1st cEDH commander and she’s just so darn phenomenal! ❤
Hey Ian, its a month late and I don’t know if you’ll see or respond, but let’s say you brewed this in a pre-ban world. What would you cut to make room for lotus and crypt? My playgroup doesn’t enforce the bans and i’d love to try this list, but feel it would for sure be a lotus and crypt deck if it could be.
That’s interesting! Looking at the deck on moxfield, I’d probably remove an island and jeweled amulet. What do you think?
@@arkknight92 He pointed to the amulet as being uncuttable in this deck. I ultimately went with going down one island as you said, and the Talisman of Progress.
@ yea still good choices!
I love this deck and love the explanation too.
Curious if you tested valley flood caller combo? Seems like a decent line. Infinite Mana then last bounces plagon. Replay plagon draw x. Most spells untap the otter to replay plagon then manual through your deck. Also another line to justify blind obedience. But I suppose otter is a bit awkward with 28 creatures. And no sorceries to speak of.
While there are a number of specific inclusions that are looking to exploit the P/T clause of the commander, it's nice just how often Plagon reads "ETB: draw a card for each good creature you control."
I've been toying with a jank CEDH around Volo, Itinerant Scholar and Folk Hero and this list actually gave me ideas to fill in my last 8 slots I just couldn't fill
Plagon is a great piece in Brago, but I’ve been convinced to make the jump to this deck. Loved Raff in testing and managed to pull off a combat win with him.
I started playing something similar in brawl on Arena last week, and had also been looking to dip my toes into CEDH for awhile now. Seems like this might be a good entry point. Thanks!
This video inspired me to actually play Arena for the first time in months and make the deck there for Brawl. Have you ever considered Azure Beastbinder? It's a card that put in work when I played Derevi, and there's a use case for it sniping opposing stax pieces to let you combo off second main phase.
@ComedIanMtg I really like this deck and i’m trying to recreate a budget version of this deck without the really expensive cards like the moxes and the grim monolith and so on. Do you have any suggestion on how i can replace those cards? Thank you!
Was fun playing against this deck, had a blast trying to figure out what you were doing!
Love the 80s tune at the beginning
so do you basically keep drawing until you get altar of the brood? i see the infinite blink effects but it doesnt really end with damage or mill without brood.
Or extorting via blind obedience. In playing this so far Altar of the Brood scares people, but they'll generally let Blind Obedience sit on the table because they're only thinking about the entering tapped part and not the possibility of infinite mana + infinite extorts.
Omg blinking in cEDH hahaha awesome! I have a Lagrella, the magpie deck and is very similar to this one, but with Pod.
Yess I love schemeing fence its such a great card in a flicker deck.
You're fast, Ian. You beat me to it. I'm still brewing Plagon because his potential is really good!
Hey why play archivist of oghma over faerie mastermind? With you playing smothering tithe it seems like mastermind has more upside plus it’s a way to dump excess mana into it if need be. Do you find archivist tends to draw more cards or it is just because it’s more bowmasters proof
Ever thought about doing a build of this deck with persistent petitioners? They're all 1/3, and Plagon could help you find the pieces to win like Bruvac or Intruder Alarm.
@@daviddickey5023 I think that would be a very sweet casual/high power list but I can’t really see that doing much for cEDh purposes
I saw your list on mtgtop8 and thought it was so sick!! looking forward to building this!!
Is there a specific reason for path to exile over swords to plowshares?
What about dour port mage? Seems good for this strategy!
Came to comment this, seems like it would go hard
Dude this is so spicy, I need to put this together. Any thoughts/opinions on potential flex slots or weak points you think are more cuttable than others, perhaps? I saw GAAIV in the sideboard and I stan that card way too hard lol but I'd love to run it
Would Tishana's Tidebinder be a good interaction piece with the instant speed flicker effects? Or is 3 Mana too much
You ever consider Lonely Arroyo for another way to win with Felidar loops?
Cloud shift having the possibility to be a one mana draw 14 is pretty huge
I love deck techs like this, very nice brew
You've probably seen it, but Relic of Legends is a new take on an old classic: Honor-Worn Shaku. For our intents and purposes, it's the same card except only creates colorless mana.
@@theomcinturff1213 absolutely :)
But colored is wayyyyyyy more important than colorless so it’s most likely not worth the inclusion
@@ComedIanMTG Yes, I figured, hahaha.
You don't even need to have your commander out for the Teferi loop, a planeswalker turns on Mox Amber too.
I initally thought that Naru Meha was Naban, but would you consider Naban in the deck too because a lot of the impactful creatures aree wizards and it is another way to double etb triggers.
Great deck tech!
I saw your original list from your top16 and i took it and changed it for me and have been doing fairly well and enjoyed most games with plagon. However i did add Thassa/Lab Maniac for the odd cases you can win with them.
My original thought with Plagon was more artifact leaning, was one of your earlier iterations explore that already since you’re already playing with the three 0drop creatures & Urza/Sai/Emry all have big butts?
Is merchant scroll something you would consider in this deck since it doesn’t have the issue of mystical tutor of giving up the draw step and still grabs blur and ghostly flicker?
I feel like this list was made for me. I have a casual monowhite Preston deck and this feels like that but with less fat and more gas.
@@dukevulture4562 I’m honored to have brought it to ya 😅
It feels like Trinket Mage can have a very good place in this deck….. 🤔🤔
It can search for altar of the brood, any of the zero drop artifact creatures, any of the mana positive rocks, grafdigger’s cage, and is blinkable…. 😇
@@groundswelllegitcoffeeandb3810 oooh good food for thought!
Btw gilded drake is fr busted in yhis sort of deck. Play og flicker alongside phelia if you arent already. Ive played a lot of abdel adrian. Never had money to go out and do a bunch of tourneys but a lot of this decks layering reminds me of abdel. Heavy air on moxfield if you wanna see the too short history of my noted edits to it.
It should go down in history that Mox Amber and Teferi were made for each other because with Kitty you have infinite blue and white mana with no commander needed to win….. it’s GG because of the mox/2 color planeswalker and you will have the whole deck in your hand already
Have you considered Hall of Heliods generosity or academy ruins? Spellseeker?(sadly she is no 1/2)
Looking forward for some Xyris cEDH deck tech :D
Hey man I love the storm aspect of this. But other than altar of the brood what are the win cons?
@@vyleir ? The video explains it
Been testing it and I agree with comparisons to Nadu and how you storm starving for mana. You said that Hullbreacher may be cut, how about Valley Floodcaller or Isochron for mana combos?
Also is there a discord for Plagon?
Floodcaller doesn't win here unfortunately as plagon won't trigger the caller.
Infinite mana combos without an outlet in the zone are usually pretty problematically bad
any thoughts on acrobatic maneuver or scrollshift against blur? I feel being a nonblue spell is often pure upside and TECHNICALLY scrollshift can do extra
@@aperson3655 non blue is upside against pyro and reb. But downside with pitching to forces or misdirection
Bro this deck is awesome im 100% building this and playing it
Do you have a discord for the deck? I'm about to build him for my pod.
@@51kakashihatake right now I have a channel in my discord for it.
Happy to make one I just never spend time in deck specific discords
Has anyone mentioned Scrollshift? It’s just a white Blur.
I'm just starting to dip my toes in CEDH, but why is Plagon a better choice than other blink commanders? Is it mostly because card draw is stapled on it?
@@ahampe03 yeah, and the cards that allow it to scale are all of high card quality
@ Appreciate the reply! You make great content!
New bloomburrow 1 mana blink (splash portal) it is sorcery though
Eldrazi Displacer?
Does Scheming Fencer shut down the copy of a target permanent?
No. It just affects the target you choose, the same as casting a Lightning Bolt.
This looks like it has a lot of overlap with Derevi
Lots of overlap with current "bant" builds. But love the spin and people will love the star fish before the sponge Bob drop. Good timing on this list. Respect
What are you thoughts on a card like honor word shaku - as a pseudo relic of legends if your deck is mana hungry it could help with consistency
@@ivanjoseph2224 haven’t thought about until now, good call!
I think it’s probably a bit worse by a considerable margin but I could see a world where it is still worth testing
@ Thanks for taking the time to reply. I really appreciate your thinking process and approach to the game.
Honor worn shaku probably dosen’t make the cut do to the 3 cmc and only tapping for colorless. Either way keep innovating and creating awesome content.
Stocks go up on Shaku if Eldrazi Displacer makes it into the list
I have a naru meha deck so I love her on this list
How do you feel about solitude or subtlety in this deck?
@@jakehaas1883 both are very high considerations 100% and have been in the deck at least once in testing :)
You should consider dour port mage
This sounds really fun i definitely want to try it
you should cover the top 16 tournament you played plagon on
He said on mind sculptors
Still confused as to how you win the game? What do you sink infinite mana and card draw into, is it just blind obedience?
Alter of the brood
Gave me ideas for pantlaza flicker 😅
Do you have a list for this? I've been wanting to try this too
as animatou pilot I like this deck
strionic resonator would be hot lol
is Brago to cracky for this archetype?
Cracky?
This is wild! ❤❤❤
Cloudshift 🥰
Going to makw this but my pile of curated abdel adrian tokens i drew as a love letter to the deck will weigh on my heart.
Im a huge jeweled amulet fan.
With Scheming Fence you want to barter with the Necro player. Tell them you will let it resolve if they are chill and only draw like 3 cards for the first activation. Step 2: LOL
@@Exodus1501 or just name necro lolol
@ComedIanMTG. What do you mean? You cant just name something, you have to chose the permanent.
maybe Step Through and cut Hullbreaker Horror
All twelve Naru Meha diehards suddenly crying out "That's what I've been saying!"
Drinking game,
Put 1$ aside every times he says "right".
After 2 videos you'll be able to buy the deck he showing us.
😊
does this mean my brago list is valid now? 😂
Help I'm going to believe in UW again...
I still think phelia is really strong against gilded drake and annoying similar effects and stuff
@pippofelipe6901 it's also really good with it.
When you flicker those creature come untaped so you will have a window to tap them from raff for more card draw
Ive been tinkering with patrick star
I would suggest adding aethervial and or scrollshift
Vials help you out casting random creatures and since your curve tops out at 4 it wouldnt be that bad
Scroll shift isa redundant copy of blur that isnt that bad
reality acid tho
Lol
As soon as he was revealed I dmed my brother saying this would be a new cedh deck lol
I don't like the way he's looking at me 🫵😡