Does this TRICK Pre-Emptive Strike WORK in BAR FIGHTS?... REACTING to Self Defence Videos
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- What TRICKS WORK in BAR FIGHTS? This week we react to a video titled 'Preemptive Strike Tactical Self Defense Trick'. We discuss the idea of playing submissive is a good idea in a bar fight for self defence. It's referred to as the Submissive Surprise Attack. Credit: • Preemptive Strike Tact...
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Being a former bartender in local bars where I was on my own, that means I was the bouncer as well: if you have to go to a bar, go early, leave early. If you take a date to a small bar with lots of testosterone, you will be a target because you made your date a target. Again, 90% of fights happen between 10pm and 2am, leave early if you have to go. As soon as you see predatory action ( behavior) from a group, leave. If your date....and I have seen this more times than I've wanted to...insists you take them to these places...they are putting you in harms way because they enjoy putting you in harms way.
Great post Thomas.
Yep, I don't think I've stayed in a bar after 10pm (unless there's a live band) since a New Years celebration in Palm Springs years ago. Some young kid kept spitting at me trying to start a fight, but his friend hauled him away. Ruined my night, the chick I had been talking to bounced, and there's really nothing interesting or fun happening after that time either.
Great advice Thomas! Everybody please listen to this guy
I read it fast, I thought you meant 10am to 2pm, brunch times lol... I agree though, especially bars that are known to have bar fights or bars you aren't too familiar with, outside of tourists zone depending on countries (in my country of origin, it's the opposite, tourists create more bar fights than locals). Where I live, bar fights are rare in tourist areas even after 10PM but in some other areas of my city, bar fights and shootings can be common after 10PM. I wouldn't stay in an unfamiliar bar I don't feel safe after 10PM. For bars after 10PM, I only go to tourist areas even if I'm not a tourist lol.
Yes Sir, truth to the scenario. I'm from new Orleans and have been to many barrooms, you KNOW who is going to cause the brawl when you see them enter the joint; dudes AND chicks. When out and about with drinks, keep your head on a swivel, PEACE.
The best way to avoid bar fights is to stop going to bars.
Exactly most men full of testosterone and a few shandys later want to roost the rooster impress the opposite sex it's built in our DNA from the caveman mentality
@@renegade-master29 EXACTLY 100%... An for what to win some barfly that you don't even need to impress all those bar flies in the bar are nothing but village bicycles, the ones everybody gets to ride, disgusting tramps...
No the second best way is to run away 🤣
@@newhorizon1355 This is true lol 🤣
@@konakona895 most of those types of women who flirt with other men in the pub just to get their boyfriends jealous and into a confrontation are a very dangerous type of woman and would go as far as to say deadly and some men are that brain dead that they don't even see the shit that she's just caused for him I've known it happen to someone and she ended up getting her boyfriend a smashed pint glass in the throat and he was very lucky to survive and ironically he and the guy who glassed him met in a maturnity ward about 3 years after the incident both bringing new born babies into this world with their partners and they both shook hands and apologiesd and life goes on talk about power of coincidence and synchronization 👌⛅
The best defense is being so ugly that everyone knows you have nothing to lose in a fight. It has worked well for me lol.
You sir, have earned an awesome point.👍
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Nah. The best defense is being friends with the bouncers. That's also the best offense.
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Tip no. 2: Don't take advice from a guy just because he is wearing camo in the dojo.
I think he was right about turning sideways though. Yeah the forward stance is more unsuspecting but way more vulnerable
lol
@@tomtam8789 I've noticed boxer's stance is between front and side.
i didn't even see him he blends in so well
@@topcop147 made me laugh
I've literally walked into a bar got this type of vibe and walked out.
Me too, always pay attention to that little voice in the back of your head!
100, most of these situations are avoidable, we only train for when they're not
SMART MAN!!!👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
@@maz1702 Eaxctly bro.
@@maz1702 y9k
Bj😒🤔n.8..7 has h 70s for a few.6-088j.0 I am am that
If you can’t deescalate the situation look for an out if possible. The issue with a bar fight is sh!t can go bad fast and you can get in a worse situation then the bar fight it’s self. You hit the drunk he hits is head on the hard ground and you’re locked up. No winners there. IMO
No doubt!! I knew a dude that was out with his girl when they saw another guy beating on a female in the parking lot. Dude I knew threw him off of her and he hit his head on the curb. Paralyzed. My buddy got 4 yrs up state. Even when doing the "noble" thing,shit can go South real easy.
@@johnb5640
That sucks. It’s so wrong that the people that have good intentions end up losing in the end. Sometimes it better to mind your own business, even though it’s hard not to do the right thing.
@@dyslo9216 ever wonder where the statements: “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”, “no good deed goes unpunished” come from? These exact stories. Forget doing the right thing…it’s gonna cost you every single time! You do the right thing for you, and you only, to continue living. Life is a dirty two timing game here in the states.🤷🏾
That happened here locally about 10 years ago, I didn't know either couple but one guy spouted something derogatory about the other girl. Simply protecting his woman the guy only tripped the loudmouth who cracked his skull on the concrete and died a week later. The protector got 5-10 years State time for Voluntary Manslaughter. No punches thrown! Bad shit, not fair whatsoever.
@@grlbcc so true. 😕
What's harder than having to fight some prick is the ability to walk away, something you will never understand until after your 20's or maybe 30's.
Agreed. Now in my 50s. I know that all to well.
Where's your kissy heart ?
NOT fighting is always best. I've had to walk away several times while being called pussy and everything else. But I have a lot to lose legally speaking. Its the ones that wont accept simply 'winning' that you have to worry about. This is where systems like Taichi and kungfu are still important in a world of boxing and MMA. These martial arts that everybody makes fun of have techniques that don't look like fighting, and can get you out of situations where bystanders think you didn't do anything. When you understand leverage and body movement you don't have to throw an overt punch to make a person fall down and allow you to escape.
@@HeadCannonPrime Taichi is the park thing, right?
@@Ic3g3org3 watch Ramsey Dewey's interview with the McDojo show... I used to think that about Taichi as well.
Edit: ua-cam.com/video/D_IJNEw-O6Y/v-deo.html
Starts at the 45 minute mark.
When your introduced to violent interactions over a period of time. You pick up little clues, hints. I've been lucky enough to have walked away from altercation, with them cussing me out and saying they will kick my ass. If the drunk person or whatever person is familiar with the spectacle of violence. They will pick up on cues of aggression. Doesn't require training, just familiarity. Totally agree with you on everything you said.
Since I got off drugs and alcohol, I don't even see fights anymore. I guess one of the drawbacks to sobriety =D
Yeah my brother. I'm like, "Why are you drinking in a bar in the first place? 'Good time'? In a bar?
Of course I'm not talking about a bar at an airport or in a restaurant or in a hotel lobby. Places most people don't hang out at after work and spend 4 hours there just drinking.
Yeah, I stopped drinking alcohol years ago, but have still gone to night clubs. And I realize that a bar or club is the worse place to drink alcohol. Places like those are where you really need your sound mind and judgment the most. Not to mention your balance.
@@jbzzey yes. If you go to nightclubs or bars, avoid drinking! You need a sound mind to pay attention to your surroundings.
There is no dishonor in running from a fight. Even if you strike and "win" you could be in a world of legal hell, not to mention emotional guilt. I find that most people who prepare for these kinds of confrontations secretly harbor a wish to lay someone out. It will not end well. If you want to fight, do it as a sport with protective equipment.
Well said, Gregory.
Eloquent and sensible.
Spoken like a Real Coward. Grow a pair and stand up for yourself ya Sissy.
He who strikes then runs away lives to fight another day
Eight years in Corrections, currently seven in security and de-escalation for private clients, and I have yet to strike anyone in my 70 years.
The guy who wins the fight is the guy who loses in court. It is uncanny how these bully types can morph into victims in front of a jury once their orbital has been blown out or their jaw is wired shut. I've seen it first hand and was NOT the aggressor. Another thing is these types will NEVER change, they will continue to bully other people.
I really like to go to places with expensive drinks now. Any place that does Penny drinks or some sort of special only increases the odds of this happening tenfold.
Facts
I go drinking in cheap pub , and your completely correct. You never get fights in £5 a pint pubs 😁
@@EldergodUK I'm confused, that's cheap?
@@zone1hearing I have to be honest I'm quoting 2015 prices....I cultivate soberiety 😏
@@JesusIsLord2478 Yeah, my friend in Calgary used to overhaul clubs as a consultant. Dress code was one, cover charge the next, moderately priced drinks at a minimum and very professional and well trained security. The girls would go because it was clean, safe and there were no dirt bags there because they usually don't want to pay a cover charge if they don't have to.
Now I live in Kampala Uganda and these people are very anti-fight. I've not seen one in the 2 years I've been. There at the club to party and have fun, no fighting vibes allowed or your own friends will tell you to leave. Plus these people can drink holy $hit! I've not seen many actually hammered drunk. They can handle their booze.
It's so nice compared to those of small town BC bars and clubs. Haha, never again.
Having years of experience as a ( doorman ) in a very busy bar. I am always focused and extremely alert. I watch patrons behavior and already know who to keep an eye on. Im not huge or the toughest guy around and i was able to use my brain to solve 99 percent of issues with customers. I can tell you this. Almost guaranteed THE GUY WHO THROWS THE FIRST PUNCH ENDS UP IN CUFFS WITH AN ASSAULT CHARGE !
Best advice is to avoid stupid people in stupid places doing stupid things.
Go to a bar that's known for picking teeth up every night and you've just set yourself up.
Ab So Lutely
You can't always avoid the dipshits tho...... they're everywhere!
Walking into a bar that is filled with mostly loudmouthed young dudes and few women is often a sure sign to turn around and go somewhere else.
@@wisemanwalkingdowntheroad4275 so avoid cock fights?
@@wisemanwalkingdowntheroad4275
Very wise indeed....women don't go to rough bars, not many anyway....if there are plenty of women, even just spouses of the older guys and some young women hanging out, you're probably good.
If somebody is starting trouble they're going to start trouble regardless of postures and words, I've seen total idiots start and never back down until they're unconscious and in hospital with broken heads! If somebody starts you need to be able to either run or fight there is no in between, absolutely none!
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' I've seen total idiots start and never back down until they're unconscious' =- Welshist?
I agreed
Wrong, I've seen many fights de-escalated by positive demeanor.
@@TruckStopLayby Think it depends on the environment doesn't it. If it's a fight bar you ain't talking your way out of shit.
Leave the ego at home lads..there's rarely a fight that can't be walked away from..tell me I'm wrong 🤣
From working in an extremely violent job...I can't avoid all fights. But I can talk down plenty.
you're wrong. HAHA
@@matthewmarch8707
Very wrong - most can, but there are those you can not wall away from
You gotta know when to hold em, know when to fold em.
Know when to walk away, know when to run.
~ Grandmaster K. Rogers
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I love poker!
thats like saying kknow how to pick lottery numbers to win, or don't play
This advice worked when I took Lucille to the local bar.
Hahahahaha
I just know I'd walk into a bar and immediately step on the white shoes of the most violent and crazy guy in there. That's my luck, y'all.
Haha. Same thing here mate.
Geoff Thompson,a UK martial artist who has black belts in Karate,Judo and has trained in boxing,muay Thai and wrestling said in all the years as a bouncer in one of the roughest parts of the uk that preemtive tactics and basic boxing got him out of trouble 99 per cent of the time.
Is the right answer 👏 google Geoff Thompson the fence.
As a life long career as a street and black ops cop, you are one of the very few that gave the most essential advice. You must always be able to control your space! No if’s or butts! Over time I learned that it was probably better not to enter an area if you cannot control your space. Your personal space is your life and is number one defence on the street. Thanks for mentioning this.
i used to love playing cod black ops too
@@crankyeskimo3362 I still do.
Gotta know where you can retreat to if needs be as well!
True
@@crankyeskimo3362 hasn't been a better cod since blops1/2. You could hop on and see 200k+ on. Those were the days
I have worked bars since the late 80s. Big clubs with well over a thousand people, and small bars with a few hundred or less. I still bartend and bounce in bars every weekend. I am going to say unequivocally, that if you think there is any trouble brewing whatever, immediately let a bartender or bouncer know. They can often intervene and squash the problem before it becomes violent. If I see you moving forward, you are the aggressor, no matter where you arms are. If you are with friends, girlfriend, whatever, and you cannot get the bartenders attention, send them, and don’t worry about cutting in line or appearing rude. If we hear the word fight or help, we will respond immediately.
Agreed. But sometimes it’s the bouncers and bartenders that want to fight you.
nice of you guys I respect your profession
@@cjzanders5430 I wonder why that would be...
@@mikuspalmis - If you give a 25% tip on a $4 drink, they may get mad because they only get one dollar. Maybe the bouncers are having a bad day. All sorts of reasons.
@@cjzanders5430 I can think of one club I've roadied at where the bouncers will just stand there and do commentary on the fight. They're very efficient at shaking down people for drugs that they resell, though.
Here is how you solve all of this..dont go to bars and just dont get into conflict. If your dealing with a nuts case walk or run away. Be nice
Having worked as a bouncer for 19 years I know, if you have to tell someone to back off more than two or three times they almost always throw a sneaky punch if they do , hit them once but hit them hard , they won't be long sobering up
I did a lot of Martial Arts in my youth, deployed to Iraq as an Army infantryman, and then did years of door to door sales for home security. I understand what you mean by saying that a bladed stance is more aggressive because it is a real fighting stance, but I believe that is only the case for experienced fighters.
The natural aggressive posture is to square up to your opponent. Think of school yard fights getting started and how the young boys square up to challenge, push, and provoke each other. For most people who are not trained fighters squaring up is a very aggressive stance, particularly because it creates a “wall” in front of them. Whereas a trained fighter will recognize that a typical squared off stance is poorly balanced and has a slower reaction time for anything other than a frontal push.
In door to door sales we were very conscious of this psychological effect and we would always stand bladed and as relaxed and almost ‘slouched’ as possible to come across as non threatening. The bladed posture allows more daylight to be seen by the other person and has less of a ‘wall in front of them’ effect. A modified version of this that I learned early on in sales is where to sit in relation to the customer. If at all possible you want to sit next to a customer either at the table or on the couch. If you sit across from the customer then psychologically you have now taken the adversarial position and they will feel like they are going to lose if the agree with you. Whereas if you are seated next to them then you take the position of someone who is on their side and assisting them in coming to their own decision. Obviously this effects people to different degrees depending on how mindful they are of their own needs and internal state.
Tl;dr: trained fighters and untrained people will see the bladed posture and squared off posture differently and the untrained fighter is more likely to view a squared off posture as threatening because it becomes a wall in front of them. A trained fighter is reading cues whereas an untrained fighter is being lead by their emotions in a stressful situation.
Did many of your potential customers attack you ;)
This is all really interesting insight from the sales world and makes intuitive sense. Thank you for sharing.
bullies are the biggest cowards.The moment a bully sees your strong reaction he will think twice before escalating the situation. Aggression needs to be countered
A bully will do 2 things either walk away or Challenge you
So be prepaired for the challenge
Not necessarily! Some dogs actually bark And bite!🤥
Love the intelligent analytical nature of your videos! The Warrior Scholar!
My father, a wise man, asked me how a 10 lb dog can back up a 200 lb man, pure aggression. It's saved me a few times...wile out and double their aggression, knashing teeth, smash stuff, yell above the noise of the bar, etc. Example, a guy pulled up and jumped out of his car and came at me extremely aggressive, he was thick. I instantly knew he meant me great harm. I just rushed him, screaming in his face, spitting and biting. He tried getting back in his ride but I kept at it, pure primal aggression. He had tinted windows. As I was still going nuts on him as he tried to put the car in drive I saw two of his buddies in the back seat, they were frozen, heads down and pale. I really think it saved me. If he saw weakness and got the jump on me, his friends probably would've gotten out and help pummel me.
@@floaterfans Spitting and biting?
Good rule of thumb, don't ever let anyone get within 6 feet of you in a fight scenario. Always strike first and move
"Wise guys don't lose street fights because they always get in the first punch." Joe Pistone (AKA Donnie Brasco)
Right !!!
I'm at the age now that even if I win the fight I'm still gonna be hurting like hell in the morning. It's really a lose-lose
I feel you man, I didnt think that the cardio would go away so quickly. I did have a scuffle and I was laboring more to catch a breath. The I was with the dude.
don't fight in bars. police will arrest both of you because of the location. probably the best way to stay away from drunk people is to not go where they frequent. this guy is teaching bar fighting.
Exactly. I grew up in the L.A. area, but I never took my girlfriend to a movie or dinner in Southeast L.A.
Do not stick around if your ever in a bar fight. I recommend taking less than 30 seconds to leave after the bartender picks up the phone
Going to stupid places, at stupid times where there are stupid people will get you in a stupid altercation
Bars are the place where more fights go unpunished than almost anywhere…..lol
Here in Oklahoma bar fights can be Mutual Combat and police dont make arrests for that.
I think it's much easier to de-escalate a situation with a strong wrestling background! I simply stay square, keep distance, explain my background , and finally offer to WRASSLE in a funny way so nobody gets hurt! This method has worked well over the years!
Until somebody with a hurt ego goes out to his car and comes back with a gun.... Either fight or walk away.
I Always take a Boxing Stance, Even when being Submissive and I say loud and clear I Do Not want a Problem/Fight etc BUT I will Defend myself!
Smart.
Walk away
"Always"? You often put yourself in this kind of situation?
best combo is a thai stance with grappling knowledge, but what ever you know what to work with, use i guess
If some fool wants to convince me he's a threat to my safety, then it's go time. Better to get in the first shot rather than wait for the inevitable.
@@anti1training 💀💀
@@anti1training bigot
he who fights first will lose in court.
@@gogglessukass7852 No sweety. It's the opposite
@@anti1training no sweaty, it’s a marginalized group of people who you are mocking, sweaty.
teehee
"I don't start fights, but when I do it's usually a trained MMA fighter"
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Listen, I see so many of these videos and it's just a lot of the same thing. Disagreeing with the next guy an offering rudimentary skills for protection. There is no predictability in real life situations. So it's almost impossible to train for that. Because you can't duplicate it. Those guys standing in front of you are doing what you want them to do. That's not unpredictability or real life situations. If you are willing to hold your ground during confrontation then you need to learn how to properly box and learn some jujitsu. You don't learn this from watching videos. You learn this by finding a good school. Do your research. Make sure that school has trainers and teachers that have credentials. But repetition and consistency is key. It takes months and years to learn to properly defend yourself. As someone that has been a lifelong practitioner I can find value in these videos but only because I understand what's going on. The best thing to do is look for an escape route. Always have a way out. The less you're paying attention to them and the more you're paying attention to your surroundings the less threatened they're going to feel anyway. There's fight or flight. You can't fight if you don't train and You can't fly if there's no exit. Always put yourself between your escape and danger.
I agree 100%. No one is going to watch these videos and be successful without lots of training. In a tense, high-adrenaline situation you need to rely on muscle memory from lots of practice, knowing how to maintain your structure and footwork to avoid vulnerabilities, always watching your surroundings for an exit path and for potential weapons that you or your opponent could use, etc. Virtually all of these fighting videos are garbage, even the good ones, because they imply that just watching the video and envisioning yourself doing what's in the video is sufficient. That's woefully insufficient. You need to get on the mat and practice. A lot. These videos are ONLY useful for people who are on the mat practicing, not for "arm-chair travelers."
What about "Freeze"?
Assuming that you're carrying a gun and are willing to stick it in somebody's face over any altercation? that would be categorized under flight.
@@rhmayer1 We don't even teach self defense until you Yellow belt minimum. There's so many fundamental skills necessary to understand why things like this work. Or don't work. I don't disagree much with his technique. He's very sound and intelligent but these videos are no more than just instructional. You still need the skills to put it all together. I do wish these guys would elaborate on that. That you still need real training.
@@rhmayer1
I think that the fact that someone has to have training is implied in those videos. As a Martial Artidt myself I can definitely see the value of what is shown, take some ideas and adapt them to drills or practice...
Of all the UA-camrs videos that offer such content I always had the impression it was made for students of that art to have extra info or givr them a different view/extrapolation of what they have seen in class.
Probably because I agree with you 100% and any teacher or practitioner of martial arts has to. No one learns to defend themselves physically with videos, no training and most importantly, no sparring or live testing of said skills....
So I assumed (maybe wrongly) that the people making such videos would be on the same understanding.
Then again there is always those charlatans trying to sell you confidence in a bottle and tell you their system is the best and nothing compares to it and buy my videos and whatsoever..... I think anyone with experience can also see the difference between both type of people and only stick with those that are truly there to share and help along anyones journey. Not bill you cuz you looked at their style for more then 10 minutes (without no real explanation as per how it works and sells you solo training video with a guarantee that you will be the next ninjarambowarrior....)
I dont identify this channel with charlatans.
It was a very nice and fair analysis having been in those situations myself I've made a few mistakes
You my friend are not alone 👍
*Everyone thinks "punch" in fights. I like a good 'ol "nod over their shoulder like you got a buddy behind them" and then a well placed front kick with dynamite taped under your shoe and you strike the fuse against the floor as you lift your foot and kick their head off in a pink mist.*
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Damn, I didn't think any one else knew that technique
@@axllomein7215 There are only 3 people that know this technique, you and I are two of them. You know who the third is ;)
@@kittywampusdrums4963 No, you're gonna have to tell me, I am pretty sure I've seen it somewhere but I can't remember where.
I almost fell outta my chair 💺🙃 💀
Hey I'm a martial artist in the United States. I recently just discovered your page and some of the tips you give in some of your videos I have been using for years now to deesculate a situation unless I absolutely had to fight. Do you have any virtual classes or training videos I can buy so I can learn and train and get the absolute best knowledge to defend myself in the street?
Hey there fellow martial artists in America. I live in Townton, USA! Golly it's such a great town with happy people and many goats. Would you be interested in my DVDs on mixed martial arts? I learned it all from Master Shefu. He's a six Dan whiteclaw ninja man. Sorry I can't stay and chat, gotta pick up my orange mocha tea from Star Bucks. Okay then, bye bye!
The best thing is to leave. Once fights start, it stirs the crowd up and all it takes is for someone to mistake you for someone else and takes a swing.
I've always found an unexpected head-butt will surprise and destabilise the other guy.
My teacher always said "create peace by emanating extreme violence"
Sounds like Mr. Rasczak from Starship Troopers.
Would you like to know more?
my instructor's advice was avoid agression, self-defence is all about diverting the opponent's attention so you can get outta there.
So for example you break his knee or tear off his ears it's only to divert his attention from you to his own problems.
In the initial phases of "beer muscle syndrome", the reaction time and other senses are actually more acute, reflexes faster...so be careful of that, it goes away after another round of drinks, but that initial "buzz" can and does give you a boost in your abilities. Thats usually when bullies think they have "the stuff", and some of them do, so thats when they act usually. How do I know? I felt it and played around with it myself in my youth. Every one reacts different I guess but still the same generally. It can quickly turn into delusion of grandeur, depends on the person, the drinks, and the time they were drinking...the longer the drinking, the worse off they get pretty much, its the beginning stages of drinking that are the most dangerous.
So true.i forgot about that.id drink 2 beers and feel great.hit the bags.drink another.id be ok.after 3.not so much.if a person's slurring then they're not gonna be precise.still unpredictable though.i kinda delusional thinking they'll just swing and miss and fall lol.wishful
Would greatly appreciate if you do a video on the Professional Kick Boxer Joe Schilling and his brutal attack on a intoxicated man at a bar.
Exactly
Agree^
It seems to me like Joe Schilling behaved and reacted in an irresponsible manner. (In the video I saw I could not see the other guys right arm. Small chance he began to raise his arm to launch a punch but I doubt it), Joe Schilling is obviously a far superior fighter and physical specimen. The only scenario that warrants or justifies violent or aggressive punches to the face to knock someone out, obviously, is if you genuinely feel threatened or that you're in danger. Joe Schilling could not have possibly felt that way. No worries. Lots of his money is going to be in the other guy's bank account. If anything, the Schilling video is a great lesson on what not to do in that situation. If the guy is behaving rudely, give a warning, and let him know that it won't be tolerated. As long as the guy is not threatening anyone, violence isn't justified. The guy did flex though so who knows? Maybe videos from different angles will emerge. Maybe Joe picked up on the aggressive posture and reacted. But it just seemed like he was looking to tangle.
@@michaelmaye9360 as Joe being a professional fighter, he knows better than that to attack a civilian(untrained) in any matter. Once a person obtains a black belt in any martial art, you are considered a weapon and can't use force unless your life is threatened. Joe was not in a life or death situation, he simply cannot control his emotions and likes to be a bully. I personally know someone that would train at his gym and he would like to impose his size and skillset on others that had less. They should strip him of his ability to fight for a living and of his right to own a gym or train.
@@awokeone7997 that is an interesting and valid take. Thanks for sharing!!
At the end of this video you said, "thanks for watching " but I always have to say thanks for teaching these things. You are so modest as a sifu. The points and the realistic scenarios that you've always explained are very important and I haven't seen explain by anyone else
I've been in my fair share of fist fights. But, turning 56 soon, I haven't run into anything in 5-6 years. Feeling rusty, I started checking out some of your videos. I gotta say, you have the most solid experienced views I've heard, including making me rethink some of my own flawed thinking. Thanks!
No Geoff Thompson is
What kind of shitty life do you live when you're still getting into fights when you are 50? Take a long look in the mirror, man; you are part of society's problem.
Since this randomly popped up on my YT feed, I will make an unrelated comment :)
First, Im not a fighter and I never had any interest in fighting. My defense starts with being situationally aware and avoiding potentially bad situations.
When I was a teen, I learned that I had decent reflexes and awareness. I successfully ducked punches twice. The first time, the older guy approached me in a parking lot at night, simply wanting to hit someone. I could read his movements and tried to deflect by greeting him and smiling but he was unfazed by my friendly demeanor. I easily ducked his attempted punch to the head and quickly fled the scene :). I wasn't a bit ashamed and I sprinted about a quarter mile before looking back :)
The second time, an older guy got out of his truck and approached me and a friend in a very threatening manner. His actions were instigated by me being a dumb ass kid. He took a walking swing at me, I ducked it and he kept walking toward my friend and punched hi in the face. It was then over. He let go of his aggression at my friend's expense and even offered us a ride (we were hitch hiking)
Those two incidents gave me the confidence that I could at least duck a punch and helped me get through those teenage years without being too afraid.
Later, in my 20's, I learned to verbally disarm people, often using humor. With drunks, I have pretended to know them and tried to start a conversation about a party we were at. Another time I was cornered by a very large guy and I straight up said, dude, you could easily kick my ass so I'll save us both the effort and buy you a drink.
Im pushing 70 now so my chances of getting in a bar fight have diminished but now Im an easier target for criminals so I have increased my situational awareness.
Thank you for sharing your experiences Sir. I have to agree 100% that use the toll of good situational awareness to avoid problems in advance.
@@fightscience You are welcome. I didn't want a stream of fight videos to start appearing in my feed but I will subscribe now just because you took the time. You can never have too much knowledge. Peace
I love that, "no I won't accept your drink", launch punch at them, how dare they not accept your drink and be peaceful.
Unfortunately, a preemptive strike would be called "assault", try again
you may die if someone act first and hit your head with a hard glass bottle, sometimes there is just the jungle law, even if then will come consecuences, everything is better than death or end in a wheelchair forever
Not so. If you have genuine fear for your safety the cops and court have to prove otherwise.
Not always, half of your actions are for the witnesses. Declare loudly so everyone can hear that you dont want to fight or dont want trouble etc and take a step back. If the guy steps forward then you are legally defending yourself with a preemptive strike.
Sound solid advice as always Sifu.
That's why this is my go to channel.
You never fail to impress me with your knowledge and breakdown of real life situations
As always thanks for sharing and keep up the great work 🙏🏽
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Why not breakdown the perfectly good actual bar fight footage instead of only using it to demonstrate that places have furniture? It looks like the guy in green gets sucker punched; you can tell by the body language of the guy in orange @ 6:30. But instead you clip it out and focus on criticizing the instructional video
Overall this is all good advice. My own personal advice is to just stay out of bars. They are just money pits.
amen
You never want to look away or walk away from a fight. I was jumped by three guys with my back turned outside of a nightclub after the bouncer told all of us to leave. I was walking out of there and I was attacked while walking out of there, thankfully the cops arrested them and I pressed charges, but the point is, never turn your back or look away from anyone who is hostile or a group of potentially hostile people. I also have a buddy I train with who was knifed over a girl talking to him that made the other guy jealous, so you have to watch them if they’re reaching into their pockets for anything.
Ha ha yeah same here I got asked to go outside for a scrap as I’ve turned round and walked out I’ve got jumped from behind by 4 lads, i was pissed out of my head, still got the scars
@@StoutProper Wow, thankfully the cops and the bouncer saw everything in my case, I had so much adrenaline going that I didn't even know I broke my ankle when I fell, so I have scars to show as well man. The weirdest part is, the guy's girlfriend I was talking to who initiated the attack and jump wasn't even the girl that I was planning to hook up with, it was her friend, she just happened to be with her, but the guy was so angry and drunk, he didn't even have the ears to listen before things became violent. It's the wild west out there!
I have avoided many fights, one of my tricks that has worked many times is to tell them your tired of fighting and you won't fight again in your whole life and just leaving in an angry mode. Often the other guy sees you as a guy that is capable of fighting and that you might have been in many fights, it's not tempting to fight someone that is bored of fighting.
The trick from my experience is... Always having a big ass knife with you, when they come with their shit, you pull the knife and start gutting everyone, grab some gasoline and set everything on fire. Works very well :)
ye, you take care of the attacker and all the witnesses and cameras. Master plan.
You need jesus
@@juliankirkpatrick534 Can he fight?
Now talk about defense vs guys on amphetamine.
If they're really tweaker out of their mind at least from what I've seen here in Oklahoma which is.... you know. Maybe 1 out of 10 of them know how to fight. But don't sleep on that 10% they might know 1 or 2 moves that about it
@@chrislair6832 Check out the "crack head power" from more plates more dates. 1 punch from a dude on speed is equvalent to 10 punches of yours at once. No matter how good you are at striking, you can only dodge so far because u aint gonna sleep that dude
@@dominijkikik OK don't take this the wrong way just how cause if that's true I'm going to become a tweaker. Ok no not really. I just think Good training and diet>meth all day. Now don't get me wrong there are freaks in every category we all know this.
@@chrislair6832 and if u train boxing =New Mike tyson. Think about what gave him the power.. He was coked out on alot of fight +skill
While I'm not saying there's going to be some new challenges somebody probably hasn't faced before I'll take a good diet and training over that all day. But why don't people just shut the fuckup and do their own thing. I hope can never did it in another fight I don't ever wanna throw a punch in lessons at a bag or dummy
Yup buy him a drink....a kiddie cocktail, extra Cherries. Then laugh...😆
Bar fights seem to be mostly stereotypical events. One of my sparing partners from years ago was a musician that played in local bars. He may have seen 100s of fights that he described as "an exchange of words, one guy pushes the other and then the punches fly". Another comment on bar fighters came from a tournament teammate of the head of our martial arts school. He was a bouncer at one time and described being attacked by bar fighters as taking on someone who was "fighting in slow motion", having to wait to deliver his own counter. That included taking on several attackers.
For me, I mostly avoided fight bars. Once I had a drunk sit down at my table at a bar and refused to leave. I got up and left. I don't think he was much of a threat, but why bother? I never went back to that bar.
If you fight a lot, like train weekly, almost everyone that doesn't train seems like fighting in slow motion. Even certain moves from trained fighters can seem slow if you are looking for it. when doing full time taekwondo I could see someone attacking with their back leg, register it, and straight kick them in the torso, before their kick landed. a trained person in a bar fight most likely ends it before the first push is over.
@@HeadCannonPrime Most of these videos discussing what fight system works and what doesn't puts one fighter against another TRAINED FIGHTER. I don't think its very likely that you'll ever get into a real fight with an ex navy SEAL. Most are just folks that depend on aggression rather than some martial arts system.
You either wanna stand like a stone with zero emotion. Or rage like a lion. Or pretend you are scared to lure them in. It depends on your enemy and the situation.
yep, so many variables.
I have a good idea, don't go to bars! Duh!
Toooo much theatre. Action will always beat reaction. Don't engage appologise and move away rather than being stationary and allowing yourself to be set up. Thus you become a moving target and he must commit ( i.e. you are forcing his move without aggression) for which you are ready or let it go.
best advice on here. Causing an aggressor to take extra action allows for more witnesses and more corroborating testimonies. Anything that can turn it from "these drunk a-holes just started swinging" to "This guy was walking away and this a-hole jumped him". Don't let 1 night at the bar ruin your life with a criminal record.
Vaheguru ji
Best thing don't go to bars
But if you do make sure you're alert because u have better chances great videos
Thank you Sir. 🙏
@@fightscience thank you sir learned a lot from your videos will always be student learning every day
I kinda didn’t like the idea of striking first if the guy says it’s not cool. I think you should still be ready, but it might deescalate without striking. However, I guess you really have to have a good risk assessment of the situation, because you can’t always count on some things to calm down. Is it ok to make sure you’re not squared up and try to keep it from escalating? Being squared up I know makes you more vulnerable to the first attack (should it come). I’ve personally stood off to the side and kept my hands by my shoulder once while I observed a balling of the fist. Keeping my hands looking causal but non threatening. However, I didn’t see this guy going mad and swinging right away, but the body language was mid line aggressive. Just kept my hands by my shoulder as if to look like I was just folding my arms. Can that be ok? I’m not saying this could be the best, but ok in the sense of being ready to guard the head and defend a sucker punch?
@@QuantumPyrite_88.9 Correct .
@@QuantumPyrite_88.9 that’s how I look at it.
If you show fear and back up you're finished, showing fear makes the opponent feel stronger and more powerful. Show no fear.
When I used to get angry I'd back off if they showed fear, submissiveness, or apologised sincerely.
In the age of CCTV, any pre-emptive strike you make will make YOU the aggressor in the eyes of the law.
Sad but true. you're not aloud to defend yourself with violence unless you're actually being attacked.
6:58 - 🤜 I just want to put that combo on loop. 🤛
Would anyone else want to see a #short of Dr. Phillips going to town on the dummy??
Yep! Sifu needs to make a 3 minute video just on him striking and chopping the crap outta that dummy...votes anyone??
Fight science: Does this TRICK Pre-Emptive Strike WORK in BAR FIGHTS?
It works, but depending on where in the world you live, you legaly became the agressor. For (s)he who throws the first punch IS BY LAW, the instigator of the physical altrecation called 'a fight'. You may have 'pre-emptively' won, only to be undressed in court by the bad guys.
Sadly, for legal reasons, here in Belgium, they have to hit you first.
When people think you are tough, some wanna see how tough!
This seems true. Great point.
More great tips. Why not back up, hands down and prepare only if he continues to pursue. Hand on chin, slight side posture, head down works well. Also, don't ignore the power of a good front kick. Legally in the US, if you hit first, you are screwed. Back off, call the bouncer- no shame in walking away- actually takes more courage.
In the situation I had an issue with someone at a bar and my intention is not to fight them, I'd still refuse the beer probably. I want to have a sincere talk. It's not a mugging. Pretty stupid advice from a slap-happy looking instructor.
In today's mma and gun fancied world you really have to think 2x about fighting anyone out side of life/death. Quite frankly you never know what the other person knows. Always best to walk away, back away whatever. Adjust your ego if that bothers you. Better alive than dead. I'm no punk but at the end of the day it's all ego.
In Australia I found trying to be polite and conciliatory to sooth the situation whether I was right or wrong ended up causing more fights than being straight out aggressive (without violence) in the first place.took a lot of getting used to.
My father told me nothing good happens after midnight. I always followed his advice and it has served me well.
Cool channel! I find it too difficult to watch with all of the switching back and forth between videos never showing anything in full or for more than 2 or 3 seconds. Unfortunately, it makes the channel unwatchable. To learn from other's mistakes, we need to see them. After that I would love to hear your break it down. Please show the fight or altercation and then do your analysis. This content is valuable, but much less valuable in this format. No disrespect intended.
"now if you see a barfight forming you'll want to act submissive" *gets in one of the most aggressive stances possible* 😂
I’m a smaller guy. But I tend to want to bully the bully especially if I’m drunk lol I become very protective of others with zero fear. It’s got me in trouble a few times but typically because of my smaller frame I get underestimated and it usually takes one good left to get the upper hand and overwhelm the bully. Most bigger guys haven’t been in a lot of scraps because there size and loud persona do the trick for them. Have a counter for that wild right hand they usually always throw
I’ve stood flat footed arms to my side and let two different guys on two different occasions charge me from 15 feet or so away and shut both down in seconds, no fight.
I didn’t want to fight and didn’t raise my level of concern.
what technique?
@@mackychloe first guy pushed me at the shoulders. I folded my arm’s parallel to his and slide my hand’s down his arm catching myself at his wrist pulling us together. At this point I made the decision to stomp my foot and stick my fist in his face while telling him off. He walked away.
@@mackychloe second guy ran at me to Superman punched me. I spin and sample the punch while he is steady coming my way and against me. While I’m sampling his punch ,size of fist, strength of punch, and squeezing my eyes socket together I say “what is this?”. I plant my left foot then begin to swing with no target. I connect on the same cheek splitting his cheek one inch wide and laying him out like a board. He busted his head on the concrete. Took two men to get him to his feet.
@@mackychloe I got angry each time upon being struck, not beforehand.
@@mackychloe one fist in front of the face and one fist on the face was my two technique’s. 😉
What they taught us in the army when they gave us Krav Maga lessons was to back up with your hands up and open, body not tilted in any kind of defence stance, so it looked like you were dully surrendering. But if they came at you, you'd basically palm strike them in the face.
Actually your peripheral works best in low light. Looking off to the side of an object in front of you (in the dark) is much easier to see using your periphery. It will almost disappear while looking straight on as opposed to on either side of it.
Close. Your peripheral vision is at its best in broad daylight. But in dim light, it's relatively better than your focused vision. That's because the center of your visual field has cone cells that give good color vision, but which need more light to work well. The periphery has rod cells and motion-detection cells that can still work well in dim light. That's also why people who do naked-eye astronomy can see faint stars better in their periphery.
Keep in mind a strike to the throat can kill someone with less impact and you are now up on murder charges. Although a kick pushing the knee far backwards is often the first stike someone will not move to defend...... that is if your able to commit/connect and follow through.
As someone that already has a criminal record for assault I just swing first lol What do I have to lose?
Glad it's an lol.
Iv found that acting incredibly confused/naive/dumb about the situation allows you to close the distance if you KNOW you ain't walking away peacefully. Then as many strikes as possible fast to neck and throat. But know that you're probably getting in a lot of trouble legally.
I don't even drink and just stay away from all this shit!
Until I see these slow motion "experts" in an actual fight , I'll LMAO .
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In a real fight most of these calculations and predictions go right out the window.
I live in Ireland, and offering to buy a drink to defuse a situation,, could lead to bankruptcy...
In his book "The Face of Battle", John Keegan characterized different types of combat interactions on the battlefield. One facet of violent combat/battle that stood out to me was that typically, when an enemy turns his back to run during a battle, the winning party "goes in for the kill". In other words, when presented with easy prey following a violent interaction, an aggressor will be enticed to aggress more, almost as if driven by animal instinct. Think of cavalrymen pursuing and cutting down enemy infantry as they flee.
Couldn't the shoulder hunching and "defensive" posture invite such behavior from an opponent in a bar fight?
I don't think so, as being in a defensive posture is still a fight - not flight - reaction. Unless your defensive posture (or getting into it) exposes a major bodily weakness (eg visible knee pain/balance issues/etc) more than it covers your vitals, it shouldnt be as enticing as your cavalry example
I heard a person who claims he had s a good bar fighter , I said yes you are when you get there late and all the people are drunk . This is what some fighters do . For a repartition.
I haven't seen a fight since I quit alcohol(and the friends that came with it)and started smoking weed.
New problems you could have avoided.
Soooooo the moral of the story is don’t go to bars and you pretty much eliminate the likely hood of getting into a random fight.
I'm glad my dad drilled situational awareness into my head. I've been able to avoid many bad situations. I guess I got lucky with a dad who grew up in Mexico and also served in the Marines.
Good advice.
Oorah
I think speech in general can be most effective at delivering a pre emptive strike. Ive used such myself once or twice just using speech basic patterns to appear as a victim "If ive offending you in anyway im sorry but i really dont wa..." then BAM mid sentance whilst they re still planning their strike you strike fast and hard and dont stop
When someone picks at me I act submissive and do what they want. When they leave, I go behind them and lend a haymaker on the back of their head leaving them with epilepsy for life.
What if you fail and he beats the shit of you
@@hojboj3222 or what if he ends up killing the dude? 🤭🤣
Don't be scared to just pick up a pool cue, bottle. Just remember to smash the bottle over their heads before you shank them in the neck. It's pointless smashing the bottle on the table, leave them feeling stunned and surprised before you cut them. Just remember their ain't any rules in a bar or street fight. And also most importantly, the bully will learn his lesson. I have met plenty an ex bully with the scars and he said waking up in hospital with stitches on his face is the best reminder for him to change his lifestyle. He owes the guy that surprise bottled him and shanked him his life. Now the ex bully is the nicest guy in the world and he is reminded of his bad past everytime he looks in the mirror.
I've used this in real life with success. I've also been in a lot of bar brawls. This is nothing more than one of many tactics you can employ if 1) the situation calls for it and 2) you actually have the training to pull it off. For example, this works great if the other guy won't let you out, you're able to sell the fear, and you happen to train Muay Thai.
One of the best tactics to learn if you insist on spending time in bars is the cross step. If someone taps you on the shoulder or shoulder bumps you, there's a good chance that they're setting you up for an attack. The way the shoulder tap / bump works is they use their left hand to tap your right shoulder, or vice versa, getting you to look that direction just as their right hand smashes you square in the mush with a haymaker. So, you take the same-side leg and step both forward and across your body, while turning 180*. So, right shoulder tap equals right leg stepping forward and 45* to the left. Just do it naturally, like you're walking to your left. You're off-line of any strike, have created distance, and are now looking at your attacker. If it's just Joe from the office, you can start chatting or whatever. If you do see a punch, you need to respond immediately or you're probably still going to get punched. The playing scared tactic isn't going to work here because this guy's already decided that you're going to the hospital tonight and there isn't a referee around to stop it.
Been in my fare share of street fights. Facing a drunk person is easier and harder. Let me explain. Generally a sober person will back down to me, because he will see it in my eyes, stance, and how carry myself. That this guy has been down this road before, and win or lose it won't be easy. A drunk IT guy, whose 130 pounds and no fighting background doesn't know any better when he's drinking. Watch most bouncer fights, the guy is usually small and weak looking and he's still trying to fight. I do disagree with one point in the video. Drunk guys are actually easier to beat if you're sober. Hand/eye is heavily compromised and it's much easier to knock a drunk person out than someomeone who has his coordination intact.
Same here in regards to drunk guys! To me its pointless to really beat up a drunk (like no honor) because it's too damn easy. Ppl that do it are either inexperienced or just cruel!
I use a ‘scared’ face. It, usually, draws the bad guy in, and gives him a feeling of power over me.
The bad guys face when I launch, fricken HILARIOUS!
What about Jorge Masvidals approach? He puts his hands behind his back and then surprise attacks...lol
The ole 3 piece and a soda technique...
NEVER take yo ur eyes off of an aggressor to signal to a bartender about buying the aggressor a drink if he’s that close to you. The bartender should already be getting security. What kind of dive bar are you at where you expect the bartender to be chill with the situation? You shouldn’t even be there lol.
Giving advice on street fights. I’ve been in about 50 How many has this guy been in? Honestly just does not seem like the bar fighting type. Or the fighting type at all.
I don’t know about his personal experiences but I used to live in the same part of London as his gym is situated. It’s a rough area and you need to be on your toes. I’m sure if he grew up there he’s been in a few situations.
@@neilo2323 could be. Idk
Here’s my take on this. I grew up in rough council estates and as a scrawny kid often became the target of the “Alpha”. As a result I learned to fight and to my surprise watching this video, the Blade stance was my most useful defence. I fought people twice my weight successfully and often and even got the name Cock of the school (an English phrase and one I never wanted). My experience served me well through to my 30’s defending myself in bars and clubs. Doesn’t mean I don’t have any scars lol.
Recently I was driving in to a car park and three guys walked in front of me in the road. The guy in the middle was massive, 6ft6, mid 20s and ripped. I didn’t stop for them and he shouted something. I ignored it but my missus started chirping. After we stopped and got out of the car he targeted her with all sorts of abuse and even though I was crapping myself I had to get between them so I did and naturally in the Blade stance. I saw his two mates instantly put a couple of meters between them and him and knew what I was up against. A pro or nut job. I held ground in this stance, fists clenched but de-escalated saying I’m not fighting you unless you go for my missus. He muttered a bit, his mates came back and it was neutralised quickly.
We walked away and I gave my missus hell for putting me I. That position. In the background I heard his mates ask why didn’t you take him, he replied his stance. Not worth the hassle.
Edit, forgot to mention, we later found through FB that he was a regional MMA champ.
Avoid and try to get away from the fight as much as you possibly can; but if there's no chance for it, hit hard and hit fast, and then move quick and get the hell out of there as fast as you possibly can.
This looks easy but aq uick exit will work.
When “cuing an attack” isn’t victim blaming ❤️ he’s talking about things you do with Unconscious movements that can aggravate an attack. Or looking behind you when being stalked.
How to win a bar fight.
Stop drinking.
Kelly McCann was teaching the "hey man I don't want any trouble" defensive posture thirty years ago (look it up). This MC dojo buffoon in the army pants is a pale imitator. Give credit where credit is due.
I didn't see any fight in that clip you kept showing...I thought we were going to see a live example. The thumbnail for the video suggested so.