When you tested these mice did you have them plugged into the USB ports that are directly connected to the CPU? I took a look at the manual for your motherboard those are the 4 blue ones. Otherwise you will be going through the chipset which is not ideal.
"the same mouse, same everything, same design, but with an 8000 hz polling rate" , actually they updated the sensor. The sensor is in the top 3 for accuracy. The also reduced the click latency. And even if you can't play some games at 8000 hz, you can often play those games at 2000 Hz. Which is still a 200% improvement in polling.
Not only that, something about this guys' computer is bottle necking the polling rate. With a proper setup, I've seen other vids where 8k was no problem, even if it fluctuated from 4k to 8k. I'm pretty sure this guys' setup just can't handle 8k polling and he's basing his judgment on that.
@@algobj1387 How do you figure? 50% of 1000 Hz would be 500 Hz 100% of 1000 Hz would be 1000 Hz 200% of 1000 Hz would be 2000 Hz 1k to 2k, is going from 1000 μs to 500 μs between samples. With 8k your going to 125 μs between samples. One nice thing about the razer viper 8k is that mouse clicks are always at 125 μs. Regardless of polling setting.
I have Viper 8KHz it runs perfect. You can change your Hz on the mouse at anytime with Synapse back to 1000hz (Default for most mice). Some games engines do not support 8KHz.
I don't know, man. I have been using the Viper 8K for over half a year. It works perfectly fine at 8K Hz for me on my 390 Hz monitor. Much more smooth than my 1000 Hz mice. If I happen to have a problem in some random game, I simply switch it to 2K Hz or 4K Hz.
@@BijanJamshidi I have the Intel i9 9900k with a very mild overclock. I also have fast B-die RAM. I wonder if it has anything to do with the RAM speed/latency and how I have all power saving features in both the BIOS and Windows 100% disabled. My system is really well optimized.
Same with my 280hz monitor, also click latency is insane, I use 4khz for everything since 1) 8000hz is too taxing for my CPU 2) 4000hz is supported by every single game I've ever tried. comparing 1000hz vs 4000hz with a high refresh rate monitors feels like running Vsync, it's especially noticeable with strobing, it's easier to notice stutters with motion blur reduction enabled and 4khz/8khz mitigates microstutters a lot.
@@attractivegd9531 I also just got the XV252QF, I didn't have time to compare 8khz vs 1khz yet, soon I might make a video comparison at 960fps with A5hun Smooth Camera Rotator to quantify the difference in microstutter with a 390hz monitor.
I believe 8k+ polling rates for gaming mouses are part of the future of gaming etc, however currently it’s not catered for by the vast amount of game engines which are built on older tech developers etc. However, with new engines in development now and going forward, these new technologies will be integrated more into action paced fps titles. Like many things newly adopted, a maturing process is required to achieve its best outcomes.
The fix for me was using "microsoft interrupt affinity tool". Then assigning a single core for my gpu (any core except core 0) And assigning a single core for my usb controller & usb root hub (both must be different than gpu core) To remove the assigned affinity, simply click on delete mask
Waiting for a review of the most interesting monitor this year, Alienware 34 curved QD-OLED. I hope you will get it as soon as they will drop it on the market
@@Mojave_Ranger_NCR gaming oled and QD oleds are around the corner. I wouldnt buy anything from alienware unless it was a steal on craigslist. if you wait a short amount of time, oled will become mainstream and you can get it for half off that 1400 figure. not telling you that youre an idiot for buying now, just saying that its not just alienware/ultra high end lines that will be selling that shit in a short amount of time. i think they should be here by christmas, look into it if you care.
Hey man, love your videos. Dont stick only to monitors, all your content about PC gaming has great quality. You are the first to mention this problem with 8K mouses, and i watch a lot of this type of content.
thanks for the content! this is really interesting. I thought the 8k would be just another gaming gimmick by razer but, after watching this, I really want to try it my self.
Valorant has the support for 8K functionality with the Low Latency Mouse support option, so I think it's EXTREMELY worth it if you play that game. 8 times the amount of data updates as 1000 hertz mice, and the lowest click latency out of any mouse out there at 0.125 MS.
Great content I’m surprised the viper 8k had these issues. On my set up, I mainly play apex and Destiny 2 (sometimes rocket league and Titan fall2), running a 5950x 3080tiFE custom loop and I’ve never had issues running the viper at 8K using the 240hz 1440p Alienware IPS panel. I did notice a few stutters before adjusting my OC on cpu/gpu with the Odyssey G7 monitor. I found it best to sit between 1000-1500 dpi on the razer viper and adjust ingame sensitivity.
Fun fact about the viper 8k. No matter what you set it too for pulling rate, it always has 8000hz click latency. I have heard the 8K pulling rate is unstable, but I have never experienced this on my 8k. 12900K/3080TI custom loop. Even if you had to set it to 1000hz you are still getting the best of the best click latency.
Used the sabre for a while and had 0 issues with 8k. Worked even on older games like csgo and siege. Played on 240hz 5800x/2060 both oc. Try messing with some USB related settings mb
Your title gives the impression that a 8k muse is practically unuseable while it isn't. Even in your own comment section the majority of the people are saying they're not experiencing any issues. Probably a good idea to change the title to something less agressive tbh
I bought the viper 8k not because of the polling rate but because of the shape. My 1st mouse was mamba elite which was ambidextrous and that broke later. I then got the deathadderV2. I found the mouse too big for my hand. I then remembered that the Mamba elite was a good fit for me so I would try another ambidextrous mouse which now is the Viper8k and that works really good for me.
I'm no export on this, but could the problem be that you are flooding the OS with interrupts? I believe it works something like this: When you make a mouse movement (or give input from some other peripheral device) it signals the pc which causes a hardware interrupt. The interrupt must be handled by an ISR "interrupt service routine" in the operating system and by the kernel mode driver for the device. The OS will for some short time do context-switch from what else it is doing to handle these interrupts. I believe windows has a fixed range of times it stops its normal processing per second in order to check for hardware interrupts, i believe its around 10ms (0.01sec) per check for interrupts. If the device for some reason cant process the interrupt right away a DPC "deferred procedure call" is issued. All other real-time audio/video/games must wait to continue and drop out frames/samples before this DPC is handled, which can lead to DPC latency that consumes relevant CPU time (CPU is waiting to continue processing the game, speed of cpu doesnt affect this as it still have to wait) Some googling suggest you can check this with latencymon, any has this mouse and can check this? So maybe its a driver issue? Or maybe you are flooding the OS with interrupts at 8000hz?
have to turn on raw input on the games that have that option. csgo and valorant i know for sure have this option. csgo has had raw input since the game was released.
I agree, 8khz feels absolutely amazing. I would recommend buying an 8khz mouse in 2023 though, in most games that i play it works without much performance impact. In some games i had to turn it down to 4khz. 4khz still feels a lot better than 1khz so buying a high polling rate mouse for those games is still worth it imo. But at the end of the day I don't really care if 8khz works or doesn't work in most games as long as it works in my main game diabotical. In that game 8khz works even with 30000 DPI with no performance impact. And the game also supports framerate independent inputs to make full use of the 8khz. The engine of that game is incredible. I can't wait for the new games from the 2gd studio because while diabotical is still by far the most fun shooter out there i feel like player numbers are slowly declining.
Nice info that I didn't really see in reviews of the Viper 8k and the Corsair 8000Hz mice. Great idea but these games really need to be updated to support these mice. I play on a G305 right now and I'm not a competitive player but I know the stuttering issue would definitely be noticeable for me if I played with an 8khz mouse in a game that didn't support it. Awesome content btw Bijan
Well your RVU is wireless which is a huge plus for me IMO. Even with a bungee, sometimes I do large flicks where it bulls the bungee and flings it all over. So it's all preference.
Actually, in Modern Warfare / Warzone and other CoDs, I face zero problems. I even used this mouse as a main for about 3 months. Most games work perfectly fine at 2K, but 4k-8k is killing them. The main problem is the CPU Usage in my opinion and not the compatibility, at this point :/
Strange, I've been using the 8k pollingrate on my mouse for an year now and i haven't had any issues on it at all. Matter of fact i cant use a 1000hz mouse now because they feel too inaccurate and less snappy in comparison to the viper 8k
I've had mine for almost a year now, and i've been using it on 4000hz and every game I've played it's fine. I play a lot of games. Overwatch, every COD from 1 to Vanguard, Battlefield 3 and every one after, CSGO, Valorant, GTA 5, RDR2, ARK, Doom 2016/Eternal, Insurgency Sandstorm, Horizon Zero Dawn, Team Fortress 2, Apex Legends, PUBG and many many more. Not mouse stutter or sensitivity issue, I've updated it's firmware tho it was fine before, I'm on Windows 10 and use a 5900X, but CPU's as old as like the older quad core i7s should work.
I have this mouse and without using the full 8k hrz its still more consistent pacing in between the cursor while swiping circles on the desktop. I think because of the hardware being more capable at 8k hrz its 125hz is still more consistent then all other mice on the market and you can visibly see that on a desktop cursor swipe test.
I have been searching for this video for 3 days now hahaha. My 3rd viper mini is now getting super wobbly and I use 5 thin (3 on the ring and pinky and 2 on the thumb) tapes on the sides for extra width so I think the viper 8k will be my next mouse and probably my main (since I only play valorant and league). I have a decent pc so it wont be a problem having the extra Cpu taxing
I went from the Viper Mini to the Viper 8K. I would recommend the 8K, as long as it fits well in your hand. I noticed that it felt snappier. The sensor is just plain better, and the increased polling rate is absolutely noticeable if you play at 390 Hz like I do.
@@lizardpeter I play at 240hz, but I notice this kinds of things really well. What is you hand size btw? Since the shape only gets increased on this mice(except the hump on the mini)
What CPU are you using? Ryzen has known USB issues that were 'fixed' but never truly were. And when I used my Razer Viper 8k on my brother 5800x it has stutters and USB dropouts, but on my new i7-12700k system it works like butter. I've gone back and fourth, removing drivers, even trying a fresh Windows install, but for some reason its just completely broken on the Ryzen system and not the 12th gen one.
I'm using a R9 5950X with the latest BIOS. I haven't tried it with intel though since this is a Ryzen home. I'll definitely try it with an Intel system (If I can find one) and do a video update if needed
We tested 8k with the same results. It doesn't matter if it's an i7, i9 or Ryzen. It's up to the game you play. The time hasn't come yet for 8k mice. :-(
Did you try to set your 8Khz Mouse to an standalone cpu core? this could actually fix these problems. Or just lower it to 4000 Hz on games, that cant handle 8000 hz
this was EXACTLY what happened with my gaming experience with my M2K. I was wondering why it was stuttering so badly because I swore I never had issues with my hardware and then I realized that each time I played a lot, it was on my breaks when I went back home to my family's house and was using a "normal" 1000HZ mouse. When I'm at school, I use my M2K and thought it was my wifi or my screen just giving out after a lot of wear. After switching back down to 1000HZ, felt great.
As of now I've had zero issues in any game I've tested (including most of the ones you've listed) using 10700KF/12900K with 4400MHz CL16 RAM, I've had some stutters when it was first released, but I did a clean install of Windows, made sure there are no unwanted background tasks running, used Calypto's optimisation guide and I didn't have a problem since.
@@ayo0069 can you link me a good video that explains this? I thought RAM was for things like textures, not input data. My intuition is telling me that user input could be streamed straight to the CPU for analysis, since the amount of data is extremely minimal.
I have the viper 8khz mice and are running it full tilt with almost no issues. However, I had the same issues in basicly all games when i first plugged it in. What has fixed the problem with stuttering and a like for me has been to turn off the HPET(high precision event timer, its stinks apparently) both in windows and Bios and turning the overlay function of in apps like Discord(steam's overlay doesn't cause me issues). I can't say that this will work for everyone but the only games that misbehave for me is on the epic launcher and its the darn overlay you can't disable. Valheim for example is working just fine for me. I do agree though it's very annoying and shouldn't be happening at all in the first place.
your a beast i had 200-300 fps drops when above 700 fps and this helped a bunch ur a beast I use an asus motherboard and wasn't able to disable it in bios but it still helped
nice, someone with reputation finally said the viper 8k is superior for gaming, hopefully 8k will be mainstream soon. after playing overwatch for many months with the 8k, trying 1000hz mice felt laggy. you might not notice the improvement at first, because it's subtle, but honestly i can't go back to 1k
@@jumpylion2580 honestly, yes 100% . i actually used to own the viper ultimate, it's a good mouse. the cord doesn't bother me on the 8k (i use a bungee). and the clicking feels better
Totally agree. I play at a very high level in COD and Battlefront. I noticed improvements with the Viper 8K, and I am VERY happy with it. No way I would ever downgrade to a 1000 Hz mouse.
For now I am staying 1000 hz for now. Hopefully we see game companies support 8k hz later on. When that happen, PC gaming will change for the better. Great video man.
weirdly enough 8khz has always worked on mw/warzone and those newer cod games from 2019 and on but yeah to only be able to use it on one game is not worth it
Deathadder V3 its the best of the best, its wired and 8k poling rate, without any dongle!! To feel 8k you need monitor with 250 or 350 @HZ. Otherwise 1k it's enough for 165 HZ monitors. And most important it's very cheap because it's "wired" 80€ in Europe vs Wireless which DeathAdder V3 Pro is above 150€.
4K Hz pooling rate is already stupid to begin with when you could avoid USB bottleneck by trying PS/2 ports or stick with 1KHz that is the sweet spot between response-speed and stability where your game sense and human reaction time matter MORE than the pooling. This is a repeat of the old attempt to replace LASER sensors with LED ones. How many peoples care more for DPI deviation, mouse shape, sensor implementation, switch quality, pads and weight? Obviously not enough because mouse brands are not understanding the poor decision they are making.
I’ve been using 8KHz on my Viper since I picked it up all the way back in October 2021, and I haven’t had a single bout of stuttering. I have 0 idea why. The games I’ve played with it are: Warzone, MW 2019, Cold War, Vanguard, Crysis 2/3 Remastered, The Witcher 1, Control, Farcry 6, and Ghost Recon Breakpoint. I have double-checked for 8KHz in Synpase and it’s never left 8KHz. I don’t currently have Synapse installed anymore though. CPUs used alongside it: i7-10700KF, i9-10850K, i9-12900K. My power limits are always disabled, I always manually OC them to their limit depending on where the load voltage takes the temperature in Linpack, and whatever RAM kit I own at the time is also always peeked out depending on the capabilities of the board I’m using, and the memory controller of whatever particular chip I’m using. In terms of background apps, I usually AIO software open (RGB Fusion/Aorus Engine/iCUE), depending on which AIO I’m using, and pretty much nothing else in the background. The two boards I’ve used over the last few months have been the Z490 Aorus Master and the Strix Z690-F. I made sure to plug the Viper into one of the higher bandwidth USB ports on the rear I/O with both. Monitors I’ve used alongside it: Alienware AW3420DW, ASUS VG27AQ, Alienware AW2521HFL. Haven’t noticed any weirdness related to the refresh rate either. I’ve only used it on Windows 11 as well; not sure what other background I can give. But yeah, no weirdness on my side. Granted I don’t play CS anymore, I’ve never played Valorant, and I’ve never played R6S.
I found 8000hz worked fine in a couple of the games mentioned in the video to not like it, such as MW19, but I had issues in like Battlefield 4 and Overwatch so I dropped it to 4000hz and it works perfectly on everything I play, and I play all the games people play pretty much
@@Soleft It might just be that I conveniently don't play any games that exhibits issues with 8K. I never touch Apex, League, Dota, Fortnite, R6S, Tarkov, and many other popular games. I mainly stick to COD and CS, with AAA SP titles that I sometimes play with an Xbox controller.
I used to have the viper ultimate. Dongle ended up dying and needed a new mouse now, so I tried the 40$ 8k mouse at best buy. Not gonna lie to you, the difference is night and day to me. I gotta go back to 1000hz in some games where going over that will cause a ton of stutters, but going back to val, I'll realize I'm still on 1k or 8k consistently. 1k almost feels 'too fast' because of 8k giving much more info in-between moving my mouse that I'm missing. I'm definitely not good enough to use this hardware to it's potential, but it's definitely great on valorant. I turn it off for most other games.
It's because of 8000Hz polling rate is too high for CPU's. You can check it in easy way - look at fps with other settings. Different game, different CPU usage, so that's why some game works good.
i only bought the razer viper 8khz because it was on sale and its just the razer viper which i originally wanted to get, so im not even going to be using the 8KHz feature
The stutter/lag issue is on AMD CPUs, try stopping AMD External Events Utility Module. Intel's CPU doesn't have these problems. And 8Khz takes more effective if you use high sensitivity of your configuration in the game and software, try to use above 1600DPi, in my case, I already use in CS sens in 15.0 - DPI 1600-1800, yes it's too high, but that's what I'm used to.
Just got a Corsair M65 Ultra, haven't tested a lot of games yet but I have an Intel Core I7-6700k and that's what the issue is I think, you need a 9th generation for an 8k hz mouse to be viable. These "freezes" he experiences are frame drops; I don't think it's a lack of support from developers though maybe there could be some optimization in the future?
What about the input delay at 1000 Hz instead of 8000 Hz? Is it basically the same or not? I bought this mouse because i was told it works best with a 360+ Hz monitor.
looks like a processing issue. A better PC and the proper drivers should eliminate this issue, but I guess we just aren't there yet for the main consumer base. Total bummer too as I was thinking of getting an 8k mouse.
Don't listen to this guy, you can decrease the pull rate with software, general usage of the mouse is much more pleasant on 240Hz monitors. It kind of feel like track pad on.
With discord closed, all recording software closed, and driver only install on my GPU drivers (no software) I can run apex 8k. Also CS:S and CSGO I have no issues with 8k even with discord going. Never had an issue with mw2019 nor warzone neither. With apex if I had discord going with recording software I'd have to drop to 2k, sometimes 4k would be fine on a good day for some reason. It really does depend on cpu. When I move my mouse all over the place on just the desktop I can usually make it top out around 23-25%. 5600x and rx 6800 with 32gb 3666mhz cl14 ram. If you have a 5800x3d or 5900x or 7900x I'd imagine the problems would be less.
no such problem on my intel 7th i7/ intel 12th i7, 1070 gpu and rtx3080 gpu, work perfectly fine. Good mouse. Btw am using it on usb3.0 port, not sure is that the reason.
I have 2kHz mouse and it works without issues. It uses a bit more CPU for sure, but I never had issues because of it. To me, this sounds more like garbage mouses or there is something wrong with your system. Since you have ryzen, I have issues on both of my ryzen systems with USB when fTPM (AMDs TPM implementation) is enabled. fTPM is on by default in recent BIOS versions because it is win11 requirement.
There is a lot of bad information and bad takes in this video. I though it would have been made more than a year ago but it wasn't. There is a lot of things that have changed and most games listed off will absolutely support 2k and 4k polling rates. That's why he didn't give specific information and rushed past it.
First, play a game where u need every speed you can have like quake champions or quake live or unreal turnament (4). Second.. for Bad programmed games you can set the polling down. So where is the problem? When you set it on 2000 or 4000, every game will work and it is a better faster input than the normal 1000 polling. This is a bad review. 8k is the future and a good invention. And you can set it down in seconds for every game what it is not easy to handle it. Or when your computer is not fast enough for it. That’s the last point. On better computers aren’t the problems what you have. It’s not only the game. It’s every part of your computer and to much different driver softwares what can do this. When you are not pro in this, don’t do s review about it. 🤦🏼♂️ You have to know more about hardware software and settings. Trust me
I can't imagine how 8kHz makes difference, because humans are way-way slower than 1ms. You can't tell a difference, unless the game engines deliberately discriminates slower mice. The 8kHz problem comes from the hardware standards, HID mices are not expected to go above 1kHz. But as they do, it will break most games as you experienced.
I think youre completely looking at this wrong. 1kHz vs 8kHz has nothing to do with human perception. This isnt about lag, at all. The only thing you should be able to perceive is that your character turning will match your input more accurately. 8kHz is all about improving accuracy, because the position of your mouse is checked 8x as often.
Tried 8000hz, 4000hz, 2000hz. The most liked by me on my PC was 2000hz. Really smooth and crispy with my xtrfy mz1. Currently playing ff7 remake with controler. And I found, that game with mouse was much more smooth. So I made my controler 2000hz too and game becomes smooth again. Probably controler was at some shitty hz rate, 100% lower than even 1000hz.
well this problem issend any more, for cs en apex at least, have the 8khz mouse en works realy good now day's. but to note, i had the problemes biginning this year but a copple monts later it was fixed en works good on 8000hz poelingrate. the only issue is that synaps can give you micro stutters in my experience in apex but also in some other games by other people
When you tested these mice did you have them plugged into the USB ports that are directly connected to the CPU? I took a look at the manual for your motherboard those are the 4 blue ones. Otherwise you will be going through the chipset which is not ideal.
Yes sir! I've tried all USB ports, I tried with just the mouse (Whish isn't ideal anyway), with a hub, without a hub. All kinds of combinations.
Which motherboard?
of course he did, hes not an idiot
@@BijanJamshidi did you have a high enough cpu to handle all the data being processed... ?
@@eigengrau2819 bro I'm pretty sure a cpu from 2010 could have handled a mouse lol. These maybe use 2% of a single core on newer cpus
"the same mouse, same everything, same design, but with an 8000 hz polling rate" , actually they updated the sensor. The sensor is in the top 3 for accuracy. The also reduced the click latency. And even if you can't play some games at 8000 hz, you can often play those games at 2000 Hz. Which is still a 200% improvement in polling.
8khz works just fine haven't noticed any falters yet
Not only that, something about this guys' computer is bottle necking the polling rate. With a proper setup, I've seen other vids where 8k was no problem, even if it fluctuated from 4k to 8k. I'm pretty sure this guys' setup just can't handle 8k polling and he's basing his judgment on that.
2000Hz is 100% not 200% from 1000
@@algobj1387 How do you figure?
50% of 1000 Hz would be 500 Hz
100% of 1000 Hz would be 1000 Hz
200% of 1000 Hz would be 2000 Hz
1k to 2k, is going from 1000 μs to 500 μs between samples. With 8k your going to 125 μs between samples.
One nice thing about the razer viper 8k is that mouse clicks are always at 125 μs. Regardless of polling setting.
@@DM-if4ct 200% is x3 basically always was. Idk where you learned math but 200% increase from 1000 is 3000. 100% is 2x, 200% is 3x etc etc.
I have Viper 8KHz it runs perfect. You can change your Hz on the mouse at anytime with Synapse back to 1000hz (Default for most mice). Some games engines do not support 8KHz.
I don't know, man. I have been using the Viper 8K for over half a year. It works perfectly fine at 8K Hz for me on my 390 Hz monitor. Much more smooth than my 1000 Hz mice. If I happen to have a problem in some random game, I simply switch it to 2K Hz or 4K Hz.
Do you have an intel or AMD cpu?
@@BijanJamshidi I have the Intel i9 9900k with a very mild overclock. I also have fast B-die RAM. I wonder if it has anything to do with the RAM speed/latency and how I have all power saving features in both the BIOS and Windows 100% disabled. My system is really well optimized.
Same with my 280hz monitor, also click latency is insane, I use 4khz for everything since 1) 8000hz is too taxing for my CPU 2) 4000hz is supported by every single game I've ever tried. comparing 1000hz vs 4000hz with a high refresh rate monitors feels like running Vsync, it's especially noticeable with strobing, it's easier to notice stutters with motion blur reduction enabled and 4khz/8khz mitigates microstutters a lot.
@@axaro1738 Interresting
@@attractivegd9531 I also just got the XV252QF, I didn't have time to compare 8khz vs 1khz yet, soon I might make a video comparison at 960fps with A5hun Smooth Camera Rotator to quantify the difference in microstutter with a 390hz monitor.
I believe 8k+ polling rates for gaming mouses are part of the future of gaming etc, however currently it’s not catered for by the vast amount of game engines which are built on older tech developers etc. However, with new engines in development now and going forward, these new technologies will be integrated more into action paced fps titles. Like many things newly adopted, a maturing process is required to achieve its best outcomes.
no
still nothing
currently still nothing.
There's nothing wrong with the game engines. It's actually our PCs not being optimized for high polling rate mouse
The fix for me was using "microsoft interrupt affinity tool".
Then assigning a single core for my gpu (any core except core 0)
And assigning a single core for my usb controller & usb root hub (both must be different than gpu core)
To remove the assigned affinity, simply click on delete mask
Waiting for a review of the most interesting monitor this year, Alienware 34 curved QD-OLED. I hope you will get it as soon as they will drop it on the market
ME TOOOOOO BRO
I'm buying that shit as soon as it drops. It's gonna be endgame for like at least 3 years.
@@Mojave_Ranger_NCR gaming oled and QD oleds are around the corner. I wouldnt buy anything from alienware unless it was a steal on craigslist. if you wait a short amount of time, oled will become mainstream and you can get it for half off that 1400 figure. not telling you that youre an idiot for buying now, just saying that its not just alienware/ultra high end lines that will be selling that shit in a short amount of time. i think they should be here by christmas, look into it if you care.
why dont you go for the odyssey g8 4k at 240?
Hey man, love your videos. Dont stick only to monitors, all your content about PC gaming has great quality.
You are the first to mention this problem with 8K mouses, and i watch a lot of this type of content.
thanks for the content! this is really interesting.
I thought the 8k would be just another gaming gimmick by razer but, after watching this, I really want to try it my self.
Bruh don't fall for it
His content is fake
Valorant has the support for 8K functionality with the Low Latency Mouse support option, so I think it's EXTREMELY worth it if you play that game. 8 times the amount of data updates as 1000 hertz mice, and the lowest click latency out of any mouse out there at 0.125 MS.
correct its called raw input. csgo also has this. im sure more game will support as its better.
Name of option?
It’s 2023. Can we buy it now?
Great content I’m surprised the viper 8k had these issues. On my set up, I mainly play apex and Destiny 2 (sometimes rocket league and Titan fall2), running a 5950x 3080tiFE custom loop and I’ve never had issues running the viper at 8K using the 240hz 1440p Alienware IPS panel. I did notice a few stutters before adjusting my OC on cpu/gpu with the Odyssey G7 monitor. I found it best to sit between 1000-1500 dpi on the razer viper and adjust ingame sensitivity.
Fun fact about the viper 8k. No matter what you set it too for pulling rate, it always has 8000hz click latency. I have heard the 8K pulling rate is unstable, but I have never experienced this on my 8k. 12900K/3080TI custom loop. Even if you had to set it to 1000hz you are still getting the best of the best click latency.
For me it's just fine if you have a powerful laptop your fine
@@dotxyn thanks repeating what I already said? 👍
@@barrybondz4483 sorry i misread your post
Used the sabre for a while and had 0 issues with 8k. Worked even on older games like csgo and siege. Played on 240hz 5800x/2060 both oc. Try messing with some USB related settings mb
btw man, what USB settings did you change? Mine still stuttering on CS GO 128 tick.
Your title gives the impression that a 8k muse is practically unuseable while it isn't.
Even in your own comment section the majority of the people are saying they're not experiencing any issues.
Probably a good idea to change the title to something less agressive tbh
I bought the viper 8k not because of the polling rate but because of the shape. My 1st mouse was mamba elite which was ambidextrous and that broke later. I then got the deathadderV2. I found the mouse too big for my hand. I then remembered that the Mamba elite was a good fit for me so I would try another ambidextrous mouse which now is the Viper8k and that works really good for me.
Thanks for that Hans
Mamba Elite was ergonomic right handed mouse, not ambidextrous.
@@Terepin64 it felt like it was ambidextrous when I had it
I can’t trust this reviewer when the mouse at 8000hz works flawlessly in games he has mentioned. Thumbs Down.
in the future, the mouse, display, gpu and game engine should sync for optimal latency and fluidness, i hope we get there someday
ive heard that apex actually works mit 8khz mice after the recent season 12 update
I'm no export on this, but could the problem be that you are flooding the OS with interrupts?
I believe it works something like this:
When you make a mouse movement (or give input from some other peripheral device) it signals the pc which causes a hardware interrupt.
The interrupt must be handled by an ISR "interrupt service routine" in the operating system and by the kernel mode driver for the device.
The OS will for some short time do context-switch from what else it is doing to handle these interrupts. I believe windows has a fixed range of times it stops its normal processing per second in order to check for hardware interrupts, i believe its around 10ms (0.01sec) per check for interrupts.
If the device for some reason cant process the interrupt right away a DPC "deferred procedure call" is issued.
All other real-time audio/video/games must wait to continue and drop out frames/samples before this DPC is handled, which can lead to DPC latency that consumes relevant CPU time (CPU is waiting to continue processing the game, speed of cpu doesnt affect this as it still have to wait)
Some googling suggest you can check this with latencymon, any has this mouse and can check this?
So maybe its a driver issue? Or maybe you are flooding the OS with interrupts at 8000hz?
8k hz may not work, but i had no problem with 4k hz on any game
also, you need to enable raw input if you want your mouse to work at 8k hz
u can buy the 8khz mouse if u like shape or mouse itself just use 1000hz polling rate instead 8k
i've had no problems with 4khz
have to turn on raw input on the games that have that option. csgo and valorant i know for sure have this option. csgo has had raw input since the game was released.
R6 has a raw input option also. Buy could it still stutter?
I agree, 8khz feels absolutely amazing. I would recommend buying an 8khz mouse in 2023 though, in most games that i play it works without much performance impact. In some games i had to turn it down to 4khz. 4khz still feels a lot better than 1khz so buying a high polling rate mouse for those games is still worth it imo.
But at the end of the day I don't really care if 8khz works or doesn't work in most games as long as it works in my main game diabotical. In that game 8khz works even with 30000 DPI with no performance impact. And the game also supports framerate independent inputs to make full use of the 8khz. The engine of that game is incredible. I can't wait for the new games from the 2gd studio because while diabotical is still by far the most fun shooter out there i feel like player numbers are slowly declining.
Because games haven't unlocked the option to utilize it in games yet
An intro without a sound is best.
Nice info that I didn't really see in reviews of the Viper 8k and the Corsair 8000Hz mice. Great idea but these games really need to be updated to support these mice. I play on a G305 right now and I'm not a competitive player but I know the stuttering issue would definitely be noticeable for me if I played with an 8khz mouse in a game that didn't support it. Awesome content btw Bijan
Yayy new Bijan video.
And more coming soon, quickly! No more big delays in between vids ;)
Is it worth to sell my viper ultimate for the 8k ?? I play overwatch all the time and don’t think cable bothers with a bungee.
Well your RVU is wireless which is a huge plus for me IMO. Even with a bungee, sometimes I do large flicks where it bulls the bungee and flings it all over. So it's all preference.
@@BijanJamshidi well I think I take wireless over the slight 1 ms, which I am even not that good to take advantage of 😁
Good timing, was just looking into the viper 8k
You realize you don't have to set it to 8000Hz for everything, right? Having the option is better than not having it.
2:20 was pretty hilarious to witness lol, love his ultra rapid hand motion xD
I'm noticing for web, with javascript events, that it can't deal with 8K hz. It will just make up false 500+ pixel deltaX numbers fairly often.
Actually, in Modern Warfare / Warzone and other CoDs, I face zero problems. I even used this mouse as a main for about 3 months.
Most games work perfectly fine at 2K, but 4k-8k is killing them.
The main problem is the CPU Usage in my opinion and not the compatibility, at this point :/
and whats ur cpu and spec?
Tried every polling rate under 8khz, and 2khz I found was the most consistent. :)
It can also use up a chunk of your cpu usage.
Strange, I've been using the 8k pollingrate on my mouse for an year now and i haven't had any issues on it at all. Matter of fact i cant use a 1000hz mouse now because they feel too inaccurate and less snappy in comparison to the viper 8k
I've had mine for almost a year now, and i've been using it on 4000hz and every game I've played it's fine. I play a lot of games. Overwatch, every COD from 1 to Vanguard, Battlefield 3 and every one after, CSGO, Valorant, GTA 5, RDR2, ARK, Doom 2016/Eternal, Insurgency Sandstorm, Horizon Zero Dawn, Team Fortress 2, Apex Legends, PUBG and many many more. Not mouse stutter or sensitivity issue, I've updated it's firmware tho it was fine before, I'm on Windows 10 and use a 5900X, but CPU's as old as like the older quad core i7s should work.
I have this mouse and without using the full 8k hrz its still more consistent pacing in between the cursor while swiping circles on the desktop. I think because of the hardware being more capable at 8k hrz its 125hz is still more consistent then all other mice on the market and you can visibly see that on a desktop cursor swipe test.
I have been searching for this video for 3 days now hahaha. My 3rd viper mini is now getting super wobbly and I use 5 thin (3 on the ring and pinky and 2 on the thumb) tapes on the sides for extra width so I think the viper 8k will be my next mouse and probably my main (since I only play valorant and league). I have a decent pc so it wont be a problem having the extra Cpu taxing
I went from the Viper Mini to the Viper 8K. I would recommend the 8K, as long as it fits well in your hand. I noticed that it felt snappier. The sensor is just plain better, and the increased polling rate is absolutely noticeable if you play at 390 Hz like I do.
@@lizardpeter I play at 240hz, but I notice this kinds of things really well. What is you hand size btw? Since the shape only gets increased on this mice(except the hump on the mini)
What CPU are you using? Ryzen has known USB issues that were 'fixed' but never truly were. And when I used my Razer Viper 8k on my brother 5800x it has stutters and USB dropouts, but on my new i7-12700k system it works like butter. I've gone back and fourth, removing drivers, even trying a fresh Windows install, but for some reason its just completely broken on the Ryzen system and not the 12th gen one.
I'm using a R9 5950X with the latest BIOS. I haven't tried it with intel though since this is a Ryzen home. I'll definitely try it with an Intel system (If I can find one) and do a video update if needed
We tested 8k with the same results.
It doesn't matter if it's an i7, i9 or Ryzen.
It's up to the game you play.
The time hasn't come yet for 8k mice. :-(
Did you try to set your 8Khz Mouse to an standalone cpu core? this could actually fix these problems. Or just lower it to 4000 Hz on games, that cant handle 8000 hz
i really liked this piece. i didn't know anything about 8khz mice beyond that they weren't popular. this was interesting and well presented.
the mouse works for me i think it depends on your pc specs because once i uped my power settings and overclocked my cpu it was fine
this was EXACTLY what happened with my gaming experience with my M2K. I was wondering why it was stuttering so badly because I swore I never had issues with my hardware and then I realized that each time I played a lot, it was on my breaks when I went back home to my family's house and was using a "normal" 1000HZ mouse. When I'm at school, I use my M2K and thought it was my wifi or my screen just giving out after a lot of wear. After switching back down to 1000HZ, felt great.
Looking to sell that M2K then?
@@austinblackman9604 no lol, if you read the comment, i’m saying it works. i’m still using it. M3K will release soon.
As of now I've had zero issues in any game I've tested (including most of the ones you've listed) using 10700KF/12900K with 4400MHz CL16 RAM, I've had some stutters when it was first released, but I did a clean install of Windows, made sure there are no unwanted background tasks running, used Calypto's optimisation guide and I didn't have a problem since.
yeah 8000Hz is all about good ram. just like anything latency related ram will always be your bottleneck. but reviewers will never get this.
@@ayo0069 can you link me a good video that explains this? I thought RAM was for things like textures, not input data. My intuition is telling me that user input could be streamed straight to the CPU for analysis, since the amount of data is extremely minimal.
I have the viper 8khz mice and are running it full tilt with almost no issues. However, I had the same issues in basicly all games when i first plugged it in. What has fixed the problem with stuttering and a like for me has been to turn off the HPET(high precision event timer, its stinks apparently) both in windows and Bios and turning the overlay function of in apps like Discord(steam's overlay doesn't cause me issues). I can't say that this will work for everyone but the only games that misbehave for me is on the epic launcher and its the darn overlay you can't disable. Valheim for example is working just fine for me.
I do agree though it's very annoying and shouldn't be happening at all in the first place.
uhhhhhh you might have to make a reddit post about this, idk if this solution is well known
your a beast i had 200-300 fps drops when above 700 fps and this helped a bunch ur a beast
I use an asus motherboard and wasn't able to disable it in bios but it still helped
nice, someone with reputation finally said the viper 8k is superior for gaming, hopefully 8k will be mainstream soon.
after playing overwatch for many months with the 8k, trying 1000hz mice felt laggy. you might not notice the improvement at first, because it's subtle, but honestly i can't go back to 1k
Is it worth to sell my viper ultimate for the 8k ?? I play overwatch all the time and don’t think cable bothers with a bungee.
@@jumpylion2580 honestly, yes 100% . i actually used to own the viper ultimate, it's a good mouse. the cord doesn't bother me on the 8k (i use a bungee). and the clicking feels better
Totally agree. I play at a very high level in COD and Battlefront. I noticed improvements with the Viper 8K, and I am VERY happy with it. No way I would ever downgrade to a 1000 Hz mouse.
@@jumpylion2580 If your grip really depends on the smaller shape of the Mini. Don't do the switch
Mmm sounds to placebo
For now I am staying 1000 hz for now. Hopefully we see game companies support 8k hz later on. When that happen, PC gaming will change for the better. Great video man.
Works with many games but if a game does not support it just go down to 2Khz and it works perfect. GET A 8KHZ MOUSE! Razer has one for just 39.99
weirdly enough 8khz has always worked on mw/warzone and those newer cod games from 2019 and on but yeah to only be able to use it on one game is not worth it
Deathadder V3 its the best of the best, its wired and 8k poling rate, without any dongle!! To feel 8k you need monitor with 250 or 350 @HZ. Otherwise 1k it's enough for 165 HZ monitors.
And most important it's very cheap because it's "wired" 80€ in Europe vs Wireless which DeathAdder V3 Pro is above 150€.
do they have option to set polling rate to 1000hz in mouse?
4K Hz pooling rate is already stupid to begin with when you could avoid USB bottleneck by trying PS/2 ports or stick with 1KHz that is the sweet spot between response-speed and stability where your game sense and human reaction time matter MORE than the pooling.
This is a repeat of the old attempt to replace LASER sensors with LED ones.
How many peoples care more for DPI deviation, mouse shape, sensor implementation, switch quality, pads and weight?
Obviously not enough because mouse brands are not understanding the poor decision they are making.
why do you think laser is superior to led?
I’ve been using 8KHz on my Viper since I picked it up all the way back in October 2021, and I haven’t had a single bout of stuttering. I have 0 idea why. The games I’ve played with it are: Warzone, MW 2019, Cold War, Vanguard, Crysis 2/3 Remastered, The Witcher 1, Control, Farcry 6, and Ghost Recon Breakpoint. I have double-checked for 8KHz in Synpase and it’s never left 8KHz. I don’t currently have Synapse installed anymore though.
CPUs used alongside it: i7-10700KF, i9-10850K, i9-12900K. My power limits are always disabled, I always manually OC them to their limit depending on where the load voltage takes the temperature in Linpack, and whatever RAM kit I own at the time is also always peeked out depending on the capabilities of the board I’m using, and the memory controller of whatever particular chip I’m using. In terms of background apps, I usually AIO software open (RGB Fusion/Aorus Engine/iCUE), depending on which AIO I’m using, and pretty much nothing else in the background. The two boards I’ve used over the last few months have been the Z490 Aorus Master and the Strix Z690-F. I made sure to plug the Viper into one of the higher bandwidth USB ports on the rear I/O with both.
Monitors I’ve used alongside it: Alienware AW3420DW, ASUS VG27AQ, Alienware AW2521HFL. Haven’t noticed any weirdness related to the refresh rate either.
I’ve only used it on Windows 11 as well; not sure what other background I can give. But yeah, no weirdness on my side. Granted I don’t play CS anymore, I’ve never played Valorant, and I’ve never played R6S.
I found 8000hz worked fine in a couple of the games mentioned in the video to not like it, such as MW19, but I had issues in like Battlefield 4 and Overwatch so I dropped it to 4000hz and it works perfectly on everything I play, and I play all the games people play pretty much
@@Soleft It might just be that I conveniently don't play any games that exhibits issues with 8K. I never touch Apex, League, Dota, Fortnite, R6S, Tarkov, and many other popular games. I mainly stick to COD and CS, with AAA SP titles that I sometimes play with an Xbox controller.
Windows 11 25272. -Made a change to help improve performance when using a high report rate mouse while gaming.
Does viper 8k work fine in windows 11.
I used to have the viper ultimate. Dongle ended up dying and needed a new mouse now, so I tried the 40$ 8k mouse at best buy. Not gonna lie to you, the difference is night and day to me. I gotta go back to 1000hz in some games where going over that will cause a ton of stutters, but going back to val, I'll realize I'm still on 1k or 8k consistently. 1k almost feels 'too fast' because of 8k giving much more info in-between moving my mouse that I'm missing. I'm definitely not good enough to use this hardware to it's potential, but it's definitely great on valorant. I turn it off for most other games.
It's because of 8000Hz polling rate is too high for CPU's. You can check it in easy way - look at fps with other settings. Different game, different CPU usage, so that's why some game works good.
i only bought the razer viper 8khz because it was on sale and its just the razer viper which i originally wanted to get, so im not even going to be using the 8KHz feature
I don't have these issues. I play CS:GO and don't experience this issue. If you like, ask me questions on hardware or software setted setttings.
Are you using AMD or Intel?
@@BijanJamshidi AMD Ryzen 5 5800X
But your CPU utilization will be high with 4K or 8K
csgo works fine with 8khz nowadays just sometimes it stutters a little but not a biggie tbh
The stutter/lag issue is on AMD CPUs, try stopping AMD External Events Utility Module. Intel's CPU doesn't have these problems. And 8Khz takes more effective if you use high sensitivity of your configuration in the game and software, try to use above 1600DPi, in my case, I already use in CS sens in 15.0 - DPI 1600-1800, yes it's too high, but that's what I'm used to.
Just got a Corsair M65 Ultra, haven't tested a lot of games yet but I have an Intel Core I7-6700k and that's what the issue is I think, you need a 9th generation for an 8k hz mouse to be viable. These "freezes" he experiences are frame drops; I don't think it's a lack of support from developers though maybe there could be some optimization in the future?
I over clocked my PS5 controller to 8k hz huge difference even from the 1k on the PS4 controller definitely noticably faster
2023 still hasent showed up to the party. 8k works on MW3 i can conform that but fortnite still dont support 8k pulling rate.
What about the input delay at 1000 Hz instead of 8000 Hz? Is it basically the same or not? I bought this mouse because i was told it works best with a 360+ Hz monitor.
so that is mean it is worth to buy while waiting game dev updating their patch? future investment I guess.
looks like a processing issue. A better PC and the proper drivers should eliminate this issue, but I guess we just aren't there yet for the main consumer base. Total bummer too as I was thinking of getting an 8k mouse.
hunt: showdown works well with it. other games needs to be lowered to 4k or 2k. then it works.
Yea well. No problems here.
Some hardware issue on your side must be.
the problem is your pc (non stable oc/ bad ram/ amd cpu) and or windows installation.
Don't listen to this guy, you can decrease the pull rate with software, general usage of the mouse is much more pleasant on 240Hz monitors. It kind of feel like track pad on.
I use the 8k mouse for overwatch and cant go back to 1000, if the game is having issues with 8k turn it to 1000...
That cable looks really stiff, how it's bending out of the bungee
they should updated the software, whenthe game doesnt support 8khz they should change it to 1khz
windows 11 fixed 8khz issues, just buy razer viper 8k, it's a great low latency mouse
after 300hours i played dead by daylight, i've got the fps drop i had when doing 360, was mouse 8khz fault, reducing on 2k it fixed everything
fine for me, although the mouse dips to 4000hz most of the time at 8khz. 10900k + b die
With discord closed, all recording software closed, and driver only install on my GPU drivers (no software) I can run apex 8k. Also CS:S and CSGO I have no issues with 8k even with discord going. Never had an issue with mw2019 nor warzone neither. With apex if I had discord going with recording software I'd have to drop to 2k, sometimes 4k would be fine on a good day for some reason.
It really does depend on cpu. When I move my mouse all over the place on just the desktop I can usually make it top out around 23-25%. 5600x and rx 6800 with 32gb 3666mhz cl14 ram. If you have a 5800x3d or 5900x or 7900x I'd imagine the problems would be less.
Try turning off hardware accel in discord
no such problem on my intel 7th i7/ intel 12th i7, 1070 gpu and rtx3080 gpu, work perfectly fine. Good mouse. Btw am using it on usb3.0 port, not sure is that the reason.
I have the same stutter with CS GO AMD 5600x
I have 2kHz mouse and it works without issues. It uses a bit more CPU for sure, but I never had issues because of it. To me, this sounds more like garbage mouses or there is something wrong with your system. Since you have ryzen, I have issues on both of my ryzen systems with USB when fTPM (AMDs TPM implementation) is enabled. fTPM is on by default in recent BIOS versions because it is win11 requirement.
You can change the Hz of the mouse in the Razer app for the mouse. I changed mine to 1000hz from 8000 hz
Thats what he said in the end , that it works fine with 1000hz but then people wont buy it for just 8khz support
My problem is when I move it fast, it lags and stays in the same spot. Like I have to go slow
I don't know bro. But with in guildwars2,8k works best.
bought it just cause i wanted a viper and the 8khz one was the only one available with a good deal set it to 1khz its a good mouse
Does it work for windows 11?
There is a lot of bad information and bad takes in this video. I though it would have been made more than a year ago but it wasn't. There is a lot of things that have changed and most games listed off will absolutely support 2k and 4k polling rates. That's why he didn't give specific information and rushed past it.
I buyd new i5 13600k proc and installed windows 11 tested dayz destini 2 escape from tarkov warzonne 2.0, on 8k hz no stuttering.
after they turned aimassist into aimbot then still dont support pc hardware ....
Which one us better? Razer deathadder v2 or this one... Both are around same price.
All those issues fixed now
Viper Mini is still one of the best mouse out there
I have zero stuttering ever on 8khz
i feel like you have pointer acceleration on. or enhanced pointer on. also not sure you have things setup right for it.
First, play a game where u need every speed you can have like quake champions or quake live or unreal turnament (4).
Second.. for Bad programmed games you can set the polling down. So where is the problem?
When you set it on 2000 or 4000, every game will work and it is a better faster input than the normal 1000 polling.
This is a bad review. 8k is the future and a good invention. And you can set it down in seconds for every game what it is not easy to handle it. Or when your computer is not fast enough for it. That’s the last point.
On better computers aren’t the problems what you have. It’s not only the game. It’s every part of your computer and to much different driver softwares what can do this.
When you are not pro in this, don’t do s review about it.
🤦🏼♂️
You have to know more about hardware software and settings. Trust me
I can't imagine how 8kHz makes difference, because humans are way-way slower than 1ms. You can't tell a difference, unless the game engines deliberately discriminates slower mice. The 8kHz problem comes from the hardware standards, HID mices are not expected to go above 1kHz. But as they do, it will break most games as you experienced.
I think youre completely looking at this wrong. 1kHz vs 8kHz has nothing to do with human perception. This isnt about lag, at all. The only thing you should be able to perceive is that your character turning will match your input more accurately. 8kHz is all about improving accuracy, because the position of your mouse is checked 8x as often.
Literally what people said about 60fps to 144fps. The eye can't see above 30fps hurr durr
Tried 8000hz, 4000hz, 2000hz. The most liked by me on my PC was 2000hz. Really smooth and crispy with my xtrfy mz1. Currently playing ff7 remake with controler. And I found, that game with mouse was much more smooth. So I made my controler 2000hz too and game becomes smooth again. Probably controler was at some shitty hz rate, 100% lower than even 1000hz.
how did you make your controller 2000hz?
@@brandyyn hidusbf in google
Asus Chakram X works great with OSRS
well this problem issend any more, for cs en apex at least, have the 8khz mouse en works realy good now day's.
but to note, i had the problemes biginning this year but a copple monts later it was fixed en works good on 8000hz poelingrate.
the only issue is that synaps can give you micro stutters in my experience in apex but also in some other games by other people
bro the Valorant just didn't work for me ;-;
Bad pc specs pls wrong usb plug