Sharing my experience as a prior enlisted Marine. Do we make better Marine officers?
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- In this video, I briefly share my path during the selection process of OCS and also my opinion on what the expectations are of a prior enlisted Marine going through OCS. Lastly, I give you my opinion if Mustang Marines make better officers. Like always, reach out to me if you have any questions. carlos.dubon@marines.usmc.mil
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Mustang Marines are a very important part of what makes my Corps what it is. The finest force on the planet. Semper Fi.
It all comes down to the "IT" factor. Some have IT and others don't. We all know those types of people that when they walk into a room, everyone notices them. Their personality, demeanor, etc. I was enlisted AF, we had academy grads, prior enlisted, and college grads. The two prior enlisted were actually terrible. They just couldn't relate to the enlisted and didn't seem to care much about us. We had one particular college grad and we would have followed him anywhere. He led by example. My son reports to Marine OCS in Sept, I describe that one particular officer to him and hope my son becomes the leader that he was.
Fred D True words spoken
I had the opportunity to go to Parris Island and unfortunately wasn't able to complete the training due to a medical issue. I'm in college now and luckily my issue has been fixed and I'm now trying to get the waivers necessary to potentially get into the Naval Academy.
As much as I would like to go back to PI and finish it, being an officer might be the better option if I have the opportunity to do it, and I've seen plenty of active duty people and veterans say that as well
Thanks for the upload. Youre absolutely right...again
Solid video! Amazing when you considering it wasn't edited or rehearsed.
Perfect explanation toward the end Sir. I truly respect your honesty. Thank you for answering.
The best officers I served under in the Navy were prior Marines.
I am a sailor but had served under a Marine command. At the end of the day you're making contributions and getting recognition like everyone else. I have my NAM, I have Marine Cert COMM's also too. I was never an officer but I was asked this question even by an Army officer as an NCO already having my degree. Being in aviation logistics, I made plenty of money and I was frequently deployed. Eventually, I got a temporary retirement even though I was not in direct combat. One thing for sure, if you don't want more responsibility, don't do this.
My 3rd tour in Afghanistan (Grunt Unit) our butter bar was a mustang and that guy was hands down the best Officer I have ever worked with in a direct combat situation. You can not simulate the knowledge, experience and respect that that guy came with.
Good honest account
Nothing but truth!
As Army, my Marine story: When I was a newer Army 'mustang' second lieutenant, I served on a joint mission alongside Marines.
I took my coat off and worked with my enlisted Soldiers to finish a critical task. 3 Marine sergeants saw my actions (while doing their own separate task) and complimented me. It seems word of my exploits got around.
A Marine colonel later gave similar compliments and invited me (the only Army officer) to eat with he and his Marines.
I praised the efforts of my Soldiers and agreed on the condition my personnel could also join the meal and he agreed. We really ate well (steak) for supper.
The colonel said my knowledge and actions were not consistent with most second lieutenants. I told him I was a 'mustang' and he replied 'Semper Fi!' A Marine staff officer later told me the colonel was a 'mustang.'
The compliments from the Marines have meant the most to me during my career. Marines 'never' compliment the Army.
As an aside, the proudest decoration I have ever received is my good conduct medal (and wearing its ribbon).
Outstanding video with important information. Respect for you being a 'mustang.' Being an officer recruiter is important.
Blessings to the Marines. But, 'Go Army, Beat Navy!'
Opinion: The Marine Officers that catch up are highly motivated officers, they are new to the organization. Even though the mustang has been in the Marine Corps longer, the Mustang must have that drive and hunger in order to stay relevant.
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I'm 42(in a couple days), with a Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering and prior enlisted Marine as you already know since we served together in the chow hall way back in the day(man this time flies faster and faster).....I want to become an officer. Who do I need to bribe and how much is it going to cost to let me back in man? lol I'm gonna start a letter writing campaign to the president, I self-identify as a 22 year old millionaire and they need to let me back in and the bank needs to give me my money. hahaha.
Anyways, I like your videos man, you do a pretty good job of explaining the process and I think people would benefit a lot by following you. Hope you and your family have a safe and happy celebration of American liberty and independence from British tyranny Day( otherwise known as the 4th of July). Keep up the good work sir.
William Morales love you brother. Semper Fi
I think they have the potential to be a more mature officer
I'm joining the marines also
I was preselected for occ232 fall class as a reserve contract.
How well do reserve officers perform do when they get activated? Is it obvious when someone is a reserve officer as opposed to an active duty one?
Emmanuel Nocum that depends on the Marine you become. Goes back to what I said in the video. You determine what type of leader you become not the component you are serving in. I’ve met some phenomenal Marine Officers that are reservists.
Some Mustangs were great. Others were really bad.
Rah Sir, What was it like being a candidate as a prior Gunnery Sergeant with other prior lower-enlisted candidates (Corporals and Sergeants)? Did they give you obedience or treat you as just another person?
Yes, you do go into OCS with a little bit of clout however, it was my responsibility to make sure that I remained humble enough to be just another canididate. Best advice is just to "be yourself"
Wow the average PFT scores on the board were around 290 back then..
Do you think i should take the enlisted route for a year or 2 and then try to get into ocs? I just graduated and im looking into the ocs
That depends on you. I'd say speak with the OSO and then the enlisted recruiter.
@@warriorspath9511thanks a lot!
Curiosity question have you ever know a former Drill Instructor go through OCS? Just asking
Jerome Pittman I’m a former drill instructor that went through OCS. There are many others as well
Warriors Path thanks served 1985-1989 never met a DI that became officer before now that is street cred in my book bro. My son is in process applying to OCS. SF.
I had an OCS classmate who was. The Instructors were brutal on him because he knew all the tricks. He was a great leader who went to the fleet and had success.
Can enlisted reserves go to PLC and get a commission into active duty?
Vinicius, that is an option for enlisted reservists. I've had several reserve Marines go active duty officer
@@warriorspath9511 Oh okay, I was talking to someone else and they said that I'd go into active reserves instead of the fleet
@@viniciusassuncao4039 not true. Talk to the OSO.
@@warriorspath9511 Alright, thank you
@@warriorspath9511 another question because I'm not sure if my recruiter is being honest with me. Do the Marine Reserves pay 40% of my college? I signed a 6 year contract but can't really find much online that they actually pay that much.
So you're saying an E3 going to OCS isn't going to have a bad time?
Everyone is going to have a bad time at OCS.
George Washington wasn’t enlisted. And the list goes on of great officers that were not mustangs.
There are many ways to be a great officer and great Marine. The general idea of mustangs being great is that they KNOW DAMN WELL what its like being bottom of the entire military food chain. They know that struggle, how they think, how they act, etc.
The best Marine Officers are prior enlisted and WOs. In order to properly command United States Marines, you must 1st BE a United States Marine. I think its time for a major change. Marine Officers should first prove themselves in the fleet, as a mud-rolling E1 in a forward area. Then they can petition for OCS and TBS. Battlefield commissions should also be accepted.
You obviously didn't watch the video. The type of leader you become depends on the type of person you are.
he went home 3 hours later for rolling his eyes? That's a crock ...
I'm guessing you didn't complete a B-billet as the idea of going through 3 years as a DI or recruiter THEN deciding to go officer seems like pure insanity.
I actually completed three years as a DI and then returned to OCS as an instructor. The idea of becoming an officer happened later in my career