Considering Diesel is around the low 80s in terms of octane, you probably could do a theoretically functional diesel engine in Automation currently, if you use low quality fuel.
Honestly wished Automation scrapped the tycoon aspect and went all into car building. Like it is already so good and if they put more effort into it they could perfect it.
I feel like most people have the most fun messing around with the car and engine builder, rather than the tycoon aspect. Despite it being the main intention of the developer to push the game towards.
@@shmid9823 I think that the devs focused on the car building to bring in the player base, then switching to polishing the tycoon before fleshing out more of the building. That seems like the most logical course of action to do, and makes the most sense based on what I've seen in the game.
Agree...Get rid of the tycoon stuff and give me diesels, 2-strokes, and the ability to create my own interiors (seats, seat layouts, and dashboards and instruments)
19:03 high torque is due to you having a 6.7l v8 with a narrow bore and long stroke, diesel engines all use that to be torque monsters. i have a 3 cylinder 181cid tractor that makes 45hp but 1082lb/ft of torque at 1700rpm
@@Stevethe11th no it's a tractor with massive pistons that weight a lot which creates rotating mass. caterpillar did it with old D2's back in the day, google that pistons size and you will see why they are high torque if you know your physics
Not to be a total smartass "that guy" but the reason horsepower is so low while torque is so high early in the RPMs is because horsepower is just a function of torque and RPM. So while 300 nm at 500 RPM is the same amount of actual push as 300 nm at 5,000 RPM your Horsepower figure will be much higher because of the increased RPM. Loved the video though, good watch
So torque and RPM are related to hp output? 300nm at 5k produces much higher HP, conversely 300nm at 500RPM will output much less hp. But, not the only factor in making HP?
@@gram. HP is just a straight function of torque and RPM. They are the only two factors in horsepower. Think of it as any changes you make affect torque, and in turn torque affects HP.
Holy smokes I didn't know it was possible to make a car that accelerates and grips the road that well in BeamNG. Everything in that car just seems perfect. Respect.
That would probably be amazing to drive, perfectly smooth power delivery with all that torque. Probably accelerates the same all the way through the rev range, but actually makes nice noises unlike an electric car.
Hi Flux! I just wanted to say your vids make me really happy and I always like to watch them. I also wanted to suggest a vid if you dont have any ideas one day. Build a truck that you would see driving around a city (like a ford F-150), but it can secretly do drag races. Kinda like a sleeper.
So, you got that amount of torque out of it because of the VVL, your normal Cam Profile was set to have it's peak power at maybe 2-3000rpm, if you go extrelely high compression you can't quite get the same kind of cam profile because the less agressive the cam is, the more octane the Engine needs, it's relatively realistic.
I feel bad for not knowing but what is the name of that type of intake? Like the tubes just sitting on the top of the engine and not a carburetor or something.
Also with the wheelspins, you can get a rear wheel line lock, lock the rear brakes at 0% and then hold down throttle and brake (sometimes have to do a clutch drop) to do a burnout
When you have super low compression like that, lower the fuel mixture. As long as you're within your octane rating, lower the fuel mixture as low as you can.
Hi i always watch your videos, and because of you i bought beamNG. I have a question, have you set the audio quality in beam to highest, because it really makes the audio better.
I made a 6.0:1 compression engine and it makes around 670ft-lb at 600rpm and its a v8 with 1000hp and it has a really smooth torque curve. Respond if you want the specks for the engine. I made it to simulate a diesel truck engine but I made a version that revs up to 7500rpm
Got an idea to turn your Off-road Rhino into a tractor pull car. need to: -Max power -Max size real whells and the tiniest fronts possible -Tow hitch -Don't care for corners or any driving distance longer than 350 feet.
@@automotiveflux although automation is a little funky when it comes to compression and its effects, the massive torque and even curve has a lot to do with the VVL you've got an RV cam at low rpm and a mud bog cam as you get higher in the revs.
"that is a ridicules torque curve" yup.... thats what ya get from a 6.8 liter engine this is exactly why you saw LOW compression LARGE displacement V8 in the late 70s and 80s and it...somehow...passed the new smog tests.... (our smog laws are backwards.... you burn more fuel, but have cleaner emissions.... ) the meme is... caddy made like an 8.2 liter.... and it only made 160hp and sure.... only 160 hp..... but it made like 600 foot pounds of torque from 800 to 5500 rpm..... ya could take the steepest mountain pass in a 3 ton boat.... and these >5.0 liter (305 cubic inch) v8s would do that.... with out shifting out of overdrive..... the 6.0+ engines probably didnt even kick the torque converter clutch off.... TLDR ever hear of the GM/buick 3.8 (aka 3800) engine? 3.8 is big for a v6.... but it will get 32mpg pulling a damn park avenue because it never has to rev up over hills, or passing engines with high HP numbers.... but turbo lag, or no "base motor" torque will have to downshift more gears (2 or 3, vs 0 to 1) higher RPM burns more fuel (generally.... highest load at lowest RPM = best mpg) then again..... not many people pull Montana mountain passes at 75 to 85 mph... in a clapped out old Buick.... 273,000 miles and still on the original trans..... knock on wood
like... im a mechanic and gear head... have a 68 impala with a 400 (6.6)....my dad, a 72 Plymouth satellite with a 440 the 400 is around 8.5 to 1.... and the 440 is 10 to 1 yet the 400 will make 390 foot pounds at 2000 rpm 265hp peak no hp, but it will grunt.... keeps up with that 440 for the first half block (the 440 makes 425hp.... its pretty fun to drive)
My everyday challenge with automation ; i pick a real engine block and i tune it to squeeze everything from it and test it on the drag strip ! VFR is a nice concept, but a VFD (vehicle for DRAG) would be very cool !
The difference between the 0 cam profile and the higher profile is only 2hp off idle... if you look at the efficiency curve at that RPM it’s really low because no work is being done... it takes an astronomical amount of torque to make any useable difference in HP ( aka “work” ) at that rpm
Technically ethanol has an equivalent octane value of 100 antiknock index. Aka really good straight up fuel. Granted it has roughly 30% less volumetric energy than gasoline but it's stoich value is around 9:1 while gasoline is 14.7:1 which means it makes up that energy with more fuel volume. That's why with the advent of E85 being popular people are daily driving 1000+hp twin turbo v8's and making full power on e85. So "moonshine" is no joke.
Idk what you drive, but if you wanna work on cars get a dsm. I've got a 94 laser and the balance shaft belt snapped and got tangled in the timing belt right after I got it. Broke down two more times a month after I fixed it. Nonetheless it's a fun car and I've learned a lot from it. Not to mention the mod possibilities
i challenge you to build a funky car with the aid of cheat engine for example: 0 compression, 5 bar turbo, 50cc engine, 10 mm exhaust (if youre able maybe 12k+ rpm, i havent managed to do it)
I don't think 480 Nm of torque is that crazy for a honkin' 6.7-liter engine. For reference, a 2016 Camaro SS, with only 6.2 liters, makes 350 ft-lbs, give or take, at 2,000 RPM, which is 475 Nm... *at the wheels*. However, with a car as light as this, 350 ft-lbs at the crank is plenty I am sure.
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I kinda wanna see a max compression max stroke engine🤔
So basically...Diesel. But Gas.
Piston pounder 6000
I would love to see that
Considering Diesel is around the low 80s in terms of octane, you probably could do a theoretically functional diesel engine in Automation currently, if you use low quality fuel.
Rev limit 2000
Honestly wished Automation scrapped the tycoon aspect and went all into car building. Like it is already so good and if they put more effort into it they could perfect it.
Or it should be a separate part of the game
@@toad3222 Yeah like the car selling is really unpolished and compared to actually building cars it will always be seen as a side-effect.
I feel like most people have the most fun messing around with the car and engine builder, rather than the tycoon aspect. Despite it being the main intention of the developer to push the game towards.
@@shmid9823 I think that the devs focused on the car building to bring in the player base, then switching to polishing the tycoon before fleshing out more of the building. That seems like the most logical course of action to do, and makes the most sense based on what I've seen in the game.
Agree...Get rid of the tycoon stuff and give me diesels, 2-strokes, and the ability to create my own interiors (seats, seat layouts, and dashboards and instruments)
19:03 high torque is due to you having a 6.7l v8 with a narrow bore and long stroke, diesel engines all use that to be torque monsters. i have a 3 cylinder 181cid tractor that makes 45hp but 1082lb/ft of torque at 1700rpm
@Hamza Issa 1000? Is that a typo?
@@Stevethe11th no it's a tractor with massive pistons that weight a lot which creates rotating mass. caterpillar did it with old D2's back in the day, google that pistons size and you will see why they are high torque if you know your physics
More than 5000lb/ft per litre and over 200hp/litre from a diesel . . . . Cmon bruh
@@Andy47357 Ah ok. Seems kinda of insane
@@io504 i think it's 118 cubic inches = 1.933 litre
*Probably runs on moonshine* that actually got me lol
moonshine would actually have a much higher octane than the 100RON probably; that’s basically what E85 is and it has very high octane
it probably runs on horse piss
@@kinafermusic2456 moo shine is roughly 50% alcohol. Now alcohol has basically infinite compression reaistance, so that is probably correct.
@@ineednochannelyoutube5384 Ethyl alcohol has 108 RON
Not to be a total smartass "that guy" but the reason horsepower is so low while torque is so high early in the RPMs is because horsepower is just a function of torque and RPM. So while 300 nm at 500 RPM is the same amount of actual push as 300 nm at 5,000 RPM your Horsepower figure will be much higher because of the increased RPM. Loved the video though, good watch
Be "that guy" in this case. This is the second video of his I've watched and it is painful how little he seems to know about how engines work.
This engine seems to not have any friction loss basically. That power curve looks a lot like an ideap one.
So torque and RPM are related to hp output?
300nm at 5k produces much higher HP, conversely 300nm at 500RPM will output much less hp.
But, not the only factor in making HP?
@@gram. HP is just a straight function of torque and RPM. They are the only two factors in horsepower. Think of it as any changes you make affect torque, and in turn torque affects HP.
The trade-off for spending 9 million dollars on this engine is that you can run it on crude oil.
Nine million dollars for something you could replicate with almost destroyed piston rings and gaskets
Challenge: Lowest HP Big V16 that acually runs (You can make
8:51 i'm kinda late but the reason the brake curve was better at higher speeds is due to the downforce ;)
I like the way you build these cars, you actually know what you’re doing and it makes it more enjoyable to watch. Keep up the good work man
Holy smokes I didn't know it was possible to make a car that accelerates and grips the road that well in BeamNG. Everything in that car just seems perfect. Respect.
If a Packard engineer fell asleep in 1930, and woke up in 2020...
(when you have that flat of a torque curve, who needs more gears)
Lower fuel mixture and raise the ignition timing to get to the 100RON
21:20 So basically the Anakin Skywalker of cars. Got it.
That would probably be amazing to drive, perfectly smooth power delivery with all that torque. Probably accelerates the same all the way through the rev range, but actually makes nice noises unlike an electric car.
electric cars make a nice, pleasing sound too
@@ИльяВитцев quiet whirs dont sound nice.
@@Nyctophiliac. everyone has his own opinion
the quiet whirs are nice in the same way, as the sound of the rain
do a race car with the smallest exhaust size
I was literally watching the no compression video when this came out lmaooo
Yeah, low compression, then he put a turbo on it. I'm pretty sure this guy knows jack about cars.
Automotiveflux! Keep postin automation/beamng my dude 👌🏻👌🏻
I love to see a roadkill remake
Hi Flux! I just wanted to say your vids make me really happy and I always like to watch them. I also wanted to suggest a vid if you dont have any ideas one day. Build a truck that you would see driving around a city (like a ford F-150), but it can secretly do drag races. Kinda like a sleeper.
So sleeper truck challenge?
@@daininsurance Drag sleeper truck
So, you got that amount of torque out of it because of the VVL, your normal Cam Profile was set to have it's peak power at maybe 2-3000rpm, if you go extrelely high compression you can't quite get the same kind of cam profile because the less agressive the cam is, the more octane the Engine needs, it's relatively realistic.
Wouldn't a low rpm high torque engine be good for towing?
"I did one lap of the track, kinda going in random directions" dude you just drove the 'Long Race Circuit' time trial
Early gang, even though i don't have the bell turned on lol
Same
Not even subbed
You guys are pretty cool aye
Ayy I've been waiting for this one, thanks man
I feel bad for not knowing but what is the name of that type of intake? Like the tubes just sitting on the top of the engine and not a carburetor or something.
They are called ITBs (individual throttle bodies)
automotiveflux Thank you, I've been caught on that for a while.
A car with no compression is like a thrash metal album with no bass. Looking at you, ...And Justice For All.
Also with the wheelspins, you can get a rear wheel line lock, lock the rear brakes at 0% and then hold down throttle and brake (sometimes have to do a clutch drop) to do a burnout
only if ur rear wheel drive tho
also you can drive manual with dct, you just gotta shift it into the 'm's first
When you have super low compression like that, lower the fuel mixture. As long as you're within your octane rating, lower the fuel mixture as low as you can.
Hi i always watch your videos, and because of you i bought beamNG. I have a question, have you set the audio quality in beam to highest, because it really makes the audio better.
I haven't but I probably should, thanks for the pointer
Oh god, this was a horrible idea from the start lol. Awesome job man
that VFR looks like if a saleen S7 and a MK-IV Supra had a child
I absoulutley love your vids!! Keep it up.
That final send was glorious!
I would suggest updating this vehicle with All-Wheel Drive and Traction Control. It might be a lot easier to drive as a result.
AWD is only gonna make it more understeery
I made a 6.0:1 compression engine and it makes around 670ft-lb at 600rpm and its a v8 with 1000hp and it has a really smooth torque curve. Respond if you want the specks for the engine. I made it to simulate a diesel truck engine but I made a version that revs up to 7500rpm
Massive 3 cylinder vfr, please
Got an idea to turn your Off-road Rhino into a tractor pull car. need to:
-Max power
-Max size real whells and the tiniest fronts possible
-Tow hitch
-Don't care for corners or any driving distance longer than 350 feet.
That M shaped torque curve is cursed
Also, you have 6.8L V8 with the smallest cam profile, of course it has heaps of torque at idle
Thanks for the reply, that totally makes sense at 5:04
What do you mean an exploit?
It's a huge v8 with a low cam, of course it's got torks
Was just a shock to me how much difference there was in HP and torque
@@automotiveflux torque is just the rotating assembly's angular momentum
As a value it's essentially meaningless
@@riccardo1796 I mean hp is a function of torque I don't know how it's meaningless as a value?
@@automotiveflux although automation is a little funky when it comes to compression and its effects, the massive torque and even curve has a lot to do with the VVL you've got an RV cam at low rpm and a mud bog cam as you get higher in the revs.
@@magicstew45 because torque can always be affected by gearing
power is absolute, Dante
U can make a challenge where u use max size for all types of brakes and see how each one behaves
Are you back on the pad instead of the wheel or am I just hallucinating?
Using a controller for now
"that is a ridicules torque curve"
yup.... thats what ya get from a 6.8 liter engine
this is exactly why you saw LOW compression LARGE displacement V8 in the late 70s and 80s
and it...somehow...passed the new smog tests.... (our smog laws are backwards.... you burn more fuel, but have cleaner emissions.... )
the meme is... caddy made like an 8.2 liter.... and it only made 160hp
and sure.... only 160 hp..... but it made like 600 foot pounds of torque from 800 to 5500 rpm.....
ya could take the steepest mountain pass in a 3 ton boat.... and these >5.0 liter (305 cubic inch) v8s would do that....
with out shifting out of overdrive..... the 6.0+ engines probably didnt even kick the torque converter clutch off....
TLDR
ever hear of the GM/buick 3.8 (aka 3800) engine?
3.8 is big for a v6.... but it will get 32mpg pulling a damn park avenue
because it never has to rev up over hills, or passing
engines with high HP numbers.... but turbo lag, or no "base motor" torque will have to downshift more gears (2 or 3, vs 0 to 1)
higher RPM burns more fuel (generally.... highest load at lowest RPM = best mpg)
then again..... not many people pull Montana mountain passes at 75 to 85 mph... in a clapped out old Buick....
273,000 miles and still on the original trans..... knock on wood
like... im a mechanic and gear head... have a 68 impala with a 400 (6.6)....my dad, a 72 Plymouth satellite with a 440
the 400 is around 8.5 to 1.... and the 440 is 10 to 1
yet the 400 will make 390 foot pounds at 2000 rpm
265hp peak
no hp, but it will grunt.... keeps up with that 440 for the first half block (the 440 makes 425hp.... its pretty fun to drive)
Really reminds me of the Mercedes CLK LeMans car ngl
My everyday challenge with automation ; i pick a real engine block and i tune it to squeeze everything from it and test it on the drag strip !
VFR is a nice concept, but a VFD (vehicle for DRAG) would be very cool !
i feel like this guy is the Bob Ross of Beam ng
Could you please do an inline 5 engine?
Doesn't exist in automation
Of course it exists in Automation...
You didn't lose any torque at any point, you just gained it in the top end.
The difference between the 0 cam profile and the higher profile is only 2hp off idle... if you look at the efficiency curve at that RPM it’s really low because no work is being done... it takes an astronomical amount of torque to make any useable difference in HP ( aka “work” ) at that rpm
when you do a launch, like in a drag race, try and launch at the RPM where youre making peak torque
Technically ethanol has an equivalent octane value of 100 antiknock index. Aka really good straight up fuel. Granted it has roughly 30% less volumetric energy than gasoline but it's stoich value is around 9:1 while gasoline is 14.7:1 which means it makes up that energy with more fuel volume. That's why with the advent of E85 being popular people are daily driving 1000+hp twin turbo v8's and making full power on e85. So "moonshine" is no joke.
engine needs to go into a Hoonigan style pickup truck, great work improving the formula
Idk what you drive, but if you wanna work on cars get a dsm. I've got a 94 laser and the balance shaft belt snapped and got tangled in the timing belt right after I got it. Broke down two more times a month after I fixed it.
Nonetheless it's a fun car and I've learned a lot from it. Not to mention the mod possibilities
A Talon is a DSM right?
28gb of RAM... I have 8gb and automation hasn’t crashed since they deleted Kee engine.
Not using 28 gigs of ram. 28 gigs of storage bud
Jacob Osborn idk man, sounds like he said RAM
This was such a good video. Ridiculous ride.
Hey, have you stopped using the wheel in Beam ?
For regular videos yes, I'll use it for showcases though
Make the smallest possible I3 engine and try to get as much power out of it as possible, maybe try to beat the Bugo engine Modular VFR?
I've tried that before, unfortunately once you reach a certain point the game breaks and the engine doesn't work anymore....
automotiveflux ah, I see. Thanks for replying!
We really do love our burnouts here in Australia.
it's basically an AMG 6.3 v8 with all that torque
You should make an NA v6, 3.5 liter. See how much power you can get
i challenge you to build a funky car with the aid of cheat engine
for example: 0 compression, 5 bar turbo, 50cc engine, 10 mm exhaust
(if youre able maybe 12k+ rpm, i havent managed to do it)
Maybe go for a car that goes as fast as possible from 0-300-0?
Max compression custom turbo to the max and Rpm to the max as well!?
The car of the day tho 😮
I don't think 480 Nm of torque is that crazy for a honkin' 6.7-liter engine. For reference, a 2016 Camaro SS, with only 6.2 liters, makes 350 ft-lbs, give or take, at 2,000 RPM, which is 475 Nm... *at the wheels*. However, with a car as light as this, 350 ft-lbs at the crank is plenty I am sure.
the no comp no turbo is kinda like the gt3rs to the no comp turbo's gt2rs
Same engine, maximum compression
Really reminds me of the saleen s7.
You built a Mercedes v8
Saw a n/a Mustang Boss 600 that made 1023hp once
My laptop is a Sony Vaio pro 13, with 4200u processor and 8 GB RAM, no graphic card, Win 8 - will this program run on my computer?
Thank You in advance for answering!
According to steam
No
New guy will sub, to the person I have just gotten to early without knowing they existed.
add the engine to a rig to see how much it can tow...also make a version of the car with the same engine as a drift car
Lower compression ratio -> worse hp, worse fuel economy. When you have high octane fuel you can play with iginition timings a lot.
do a drift car, dedicated to oversteer and everything, maybe turbo... do as you desire c:
28GB of RAM??! How much do you have???
32
moonshine is actually quite high in octane since moonshine is basically drinking alkohol only
Max Compression + Max Boost challenge
Ah nice!
Now do a 0 ignition build
Bugo race car! Pls
This is a challenge please make a bugo race car to jgtc500 standards also you must use a boxer engine
I can't blame this car for don't liking sand, I mean, it's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere
Epic!
Next Challenge is no engine no problem
No car just engine, better yet no game just a blank screen for 20 minutes lol
@@graymatter78-23 Better yet, no computer, it's just you staring to a wall.
220 mph with 670 hp, not bad
Put the engine in an off-road build
Make a Hyper mile car!
dude, not every car should have the rpm pinned to launch...
ITS ME
Why does UA-cam keep unsubbing me from you
I'm surprised that you didn't go pushrod.
i just finished a shinyodd btw its pronounced shiney-odd not shin-yodd or shinny-odd
Maclaren F1 :)
Yeet
VFR did the better burnouts BTW.
Rear Transverse V10
wow
early bell gang
mmmm electric
Hi.
*HOW THE F-CK DOES AUTOMATION TAKE 28 GB OF RAM????!!!!!*
I run it with 8, and have some to spare, i need someone to explain to me wtf happened here.