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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Quick way of fitting skirting carpenters tips
fitting skirting boards making the internal scribes using hand saw and coping saw only, you dont even need a mitre square,
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Can't understand why those know it alls out there gave you a thumbs down ,when you are trying and succeeding in showing a nice and easy way to do a tricky job for the average person out there .
Don't be put off by the spoilers of this world.
That's bloody brilliant!Never seen it done like that before. I thought that you were going to cut both pieces at 45 degrees. Never too old to learn!Many thanks!🙂👍👍👍
If you're not a carpenter you may not have heard of coping. That is what he it's trying to show but is not very good at doing it
I have to admit I was giggling a bit when I saw you grab that handsaw, but I wasn't giggling when I saw the finished product.
I love surprises like this - well done!
Thanks for this video. Brings back memories. I'm fifty years at the trade and have hardly touched a hand saw, especially for an operation like this cope, in many years. Your critics demonstrate their egos, not any superior skill. You show the method I was taught as a boy; and moving on with the expectation that caulk will perfect the result looks entirely appropriate, given the rough situation of this install.
BTW, another possibility that you might consider in this type of situation is a jack miter: you would cut the straight bottom portion just as you did, but then miter only the top molded part. Likewise, you would miter the top of the piece it butts to. This gives a reasonable result, most of the advantages of a full cope, but without taking the time, trouble, or skill to cope the molded portion.
Another "trick" that your critics will decry: if you feel caulking the top edge to the wall will be acceptable (and it definitelywould be in this case), you can use the head of a small screw partially driven into the back side of the piece you are coping against to bring its face to plumb before coping the next piece. This can be more convenient and give more control than using a shim after the fact. The technique can also be used if the bottom of the baseboard leans inward from plumb. In this latter case, the screw doesn't show, nor is caulk at the top necessary. If the walls are timber framed instead of concrete, the screw shim can be driven at the appropriate height into the wall, rather than into the back side of the baseboard.
As your detractors might have pointed out as evidence of their vast understanding, a modern pro would use compound sliding miter saw and power saber saw with aggressive tooth configuration and Collins coping foot, which enables cutting the cope from underneath with lots of control and great speed. But demonstrating this method would have been far less useful to its intended audience than the very sound and practical technique you shared with DIYers. Along with them, I appreciate that you took the time to share it. Good technique. Good video. Rude commenters.
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50 years later? The old ones are still the best and they still work exactly as they always have done!
I’ll give you 50%. I’d like to have seen the finished job. You’ve got a bit to learn. But your coming on son.
I have learnt more watching this video, then I did in college. Thanks for sharing your trade skills.
Basic stuff for any professional tradesman joiner , a revelation for Diyers .
And even this so called tradesman didn’t get it right as he assumed the walls were plumb hence the reason his scribe is not fitting properly.
Thank you for that. The initial 45 degree angle cut, i had not seen before. Priceless tip. And you’re correct, wedges and quality caulking will finish the job tidy. Very much appreciated
Hi thank you, doing up my house and can't afford a carpenter, so I am practicing now. Much appreciated. X
My favorite part was when he said "after you've caulked it and painted it, you PROBABLY won't see it"!
I agree with him completely. That joint would look just fine... in somebody else's house!
Hey this video is not for experts like me or you guys it’s made for starters or doing it your self so don’t go hard in this guy ok 😁😁😁
Yes agree. It’s for home DIY folks who don’t mind it looking like shite when it’s finished.
As usual it's left to the Pro- Decorators' to hide shoddy joints.
Blinking good video. Thanks Chippie. Trying it this avo.
Another way instead of pulling out at the top is just going with the wall and scribing the scribe cut to the angle that is no longer 90
Exactly! He could have simply adjust the "square" line he made on the flat face of the baseboard (skirting) and cut it and it would have fit with no additional gap at the wall on the other piece. No added steps, no added time. In fact less (no shimming and less caulking).
Gold technique, ive always done it this way, i use the mitre saw instead of the hand saw to save time then the coping saw at about 85° from the face just so it butts up nice and tight everytime ✌
Mitre saw or mitre box is fine if walls are plumb which they seldom are so after your efforts it’s the painters job to make good ?
Cant see it from my house
Excellent video I learnt my apprenticeship 30 odd years cutting loads of these cuts in an old victorian house in Lincoln... Bloody nightmare... If I'm doing skirting I still do this... Some times if the corner is "on the piss".. I do the same but cut the profile at 45 then follow the shape with the coping saw...
Yes and use a jig nowadays
Skirting can be one of the hardest jobs as a joiner trying to work around bent twisted out of plumb walls , specially when the plasterers can’t skim a reveal square and it throws external mitres out
Beautiful work using hand tools, but it's we are in the 21st century and over the course of a house worth of skirting and Scotia, a mitre saw and a barrel grip jig saw equipped with a Collins coping foot will be the fastest and most accurate way of doing this. The skill in using your hand tools cannot be denied though, so for that you have my praise!
@@N1rOx It depends on how big the job is ,other wise it’s not worth setting up power tools . A basic hard point crosscut handsaw & educated use of a coping saw is all that’s needed .
A joiner that works on many jobs with twisted & out of plug plumb walls ,soon learns the value of being proficient with his axe & scunting chisel . Not all walls are out due to poor plastering skills ,sometimes it’s due to old age settlement in old & listed buildings . This is known as character ,walls that are perfect & square are boring & devoid of any .
@@maskedavenger2578 hence why I said over a house worth.
@@N1rOx Unless it’s a massive big house with more than two or three bedrooms ,it’s still not worth dragging all the big kit out for ,just to fit a few skirts . Fitting skirting boards with a few basic hand tools ,is run of the mill stuff for an experienced time served tradesman .
I can watch a hundred videos I will always frank spencer it every time
Great video everything we need and nothing we don't Well done
Should've really included undercutting and scribing to the wall which Is the correct way to finish skirting to an uneven wall. if it isnt a painted finish then gaps aren't an option, as some people have commented. Also 45 degrees only works on a 90 degree reveal but when are they ever?😂. Always bisect your angles especially if you are going into angled bay or something. Scribing is definitely the right way though. Never internal miters!
You'll need a ready mix wagon called to fill in that scribe....
If you just measure from the corner to the wall cut it on your bevel 45 then back cut the 45 into almost nothing and cope it out and slide it in .. done
Not sure you know exactly what a scribe is, your not only cutting out the profile, you need to match the angle, this keeps the joint tight even if the timber shrinks.
You may have well done an internal mitre and caulked the gap while filling the gap where you've wedged it off the wall.
so then the skirting and the wall would be out of level hes done his part correct.
That's bloody marvellous. Top job
Proper joiners use a metal compass with pencil to scribe.
Brilliant! Will follow exactly what you said. Thanks for your help.
Good job your not using oak or any natural finish timber
Or plane the back of the skirting lol
That was my first thought.
This is a man with only saws , plane the back will look neater, the difference between guys that get the job done for easy customers , compared to those that require the best
Absolutely. Dog rough.
Who uses hand saws in the last 20 or 30 years. Compound miter saw and a jig saw with a long fine wood blade . A whole room can be done cutting by the time you get one done by hand. The joint you are demonstrating is called a cope joint in the states.
Some people ( like me) only have a hand saw so its handy to see how to use it.
@@hilaryknight934 ok, true. I didn’t realize who you were demonstrating to.
Not in the states tho
Today's carpenters can't use hand tools anymore
I think this video was intended for home DIY people. Ie non professionals. You wouldn’t get paid by your customer if you produced that sort of quality of work.
Thank you for teaching us and sharing because realy i learn
The reason your scribe is lying open is because the wall which the dead skirting is fixed to is not plumb this is easily rectified by instead of cutting the vertical on your scribe square scribe it to the wall first that way you don’t need to pack anything out and the scribe is air tight and is ready for painting instead of having to fill, not as obvious on a 4 “ skirting but on 6 “ and 8 “ and deeper it looks awful.
It's not a trick. It's how it's supposed to be done. Except for bodging a packer behind it. That bit is wrong.
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All that and without ten thousand dollars worth of DeFestoki tools, rare tropical orange cedar wood, or CAD.
A sliding bevel would have helped you out if the skirting was getting stained or varnish but all in all a good video for the DIYers thanks
A good plasterer should clean there skirting lines but 9 times out of 10 they leave like a little bell cast or a little ridge at the bottom that kicks the skirting out I useally adjust it on the straight cut bit I can kinda judge it by eye now adays as iv done so much skirting but fairplay for cutting your mitre by hand lol I use a mitre saw now its so much easier
Great tutorial
Hey Charles Ingalls, ever heard of a chop saw?
Lol good video brother.
Cheers this helped me out and mine looks great.
Neatly done- experience matters!
Good demo but it's quite a tricky job. Don't expect to get it right the first time. Coping saw Is not the easiest tool to master!! I find the outside corners trickier 😦😦
Different techniques, love it. I’ll add this to my toolbox
Caulking? What if you want to varnish the skirting?
Caulk? You need spacer or nail in between the board and wall before you secure it mate square and plum is very important
Thanks that helps loads.!👍🤩
Ur an artist
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Can you do a better scribe than this, definitely I can, but I use my mitre saw and a jigsaw upside done and sometimes a file or piece of sandpaper to get a super tight fit. But I ask myself could I do much better with only a hand saw since I’ve been so reliant on a mitresaw for so long. I think I’d have to be honest and saw I couldn’t do any better as would be the case for most people with the negative comments
They aren't negative about his use of the handsaw, it's the slap happy way he did the scribe and just couldn't be arsed to cut the top with any care, oh and too much pencil all over the wood. You might not be able to do better but I can bet there are plenty on here who can.
How do you stick the base in to the plaster wallx
Grip fill
Critics... the scribe was great .. That was the purpose of this video
Block plane the bottom
Of the scribe 👌
That just a basic scribe!! Learnt that in my first year!! But even your scribe needed scribing!! Little tip carry a block plane!! A couple of runs and that would have fitted sweet!!!
How much do you have to pay for 1 meter for skerting
5 out 10 for me ; )
Anyone know where to find this video in English?
Why not plane the back if chiseling the concrete would fix it
Good job ready for painter to finish it up.
Where are the rest of your tools?
Beautiful ❤️
Can't see the problem
Sound job
Use a chopsaw mate
Great tips. I learned a lot.
Or you could cut the wall behind the board to be plumb and use a correct angle to butt them together such as 45° to 45° or 22.5 ° to 22.5° and make a perfect smooth joint with two perfect cuts on a miter chop saw. Simple, quick beautiful transition from board to board.
Internal mitres is not the way to fit molded timber to an internal corner in any instance
Only cut 45 degree with a shop saw and is it
I would be embarrassed to make this video. I would get a right slagging from many of my old buddies in the trade & I’ve been out the game for 30 years. The other comments below say much about the same.
Comical innit.ex joiner.
Shocking
I’m no expert joiner but I think that was fine, it all married up in the end, what more do you want.
Nice tip!
Its called coping ..and its been around since the beginning of time
Nice baseboard for a dungeon!
10 out 9 carpenter leave the gaps to decorator to fill :D a decorator
keep trying and you may get it right
А внешний угол он также запиливать будет? Ахринеть какие ,,профи,,.Для этого надо было всего-то запилить под 45 и всё.
Corta em 45° fica tudo resolvido
how many days to do that ??🤣🤣
Looked better by he cut it
why did nt i think of this years ago, easy job
If you had thought of it years ago, that would be two of you crap at scribing!
That's some skill
Ciaran that was rough what if the skirting was getting varnished
Yah it's called coping
Top Man 👊🏽👳🏽♂️
Brilliant I can never get it rite
That's good but u wasting more time cutting with hand saw so this kinda good
I’d have a word with the plasterer first
Would you really
Um. Just 45 it. Just a thought🤔
Just 45 them . Much faster.
Loss of fillers
Or just throw the saw away and use your teeth to get a better finish.
This looks so stupidly complicated, why don't just cut both skirtings in 45 angle.
Where is the trick? Thats just a standard scribe
How is that quick that’s what your meant to do
r u living in 2022.....?
Deffo a manc👍
why not just using furring strips and plumb the wall ?? there’s a concept lol
Nothing dap can't fix
Cowboy
Wow come on guy
You her
You having a clue mate
You haven’t got a clue mate
Rough
You slept with a joiner and stole his tools and went on a 2 week course
I'd hope that was gonna be painted. Terrible job
Get a chop saw
This is madness why on earth are these videos around showing people how to "scribe" a skirting corner. 1stly it was done that way before mitre saws we're invented when carpenters had no way to accurately Mitre cut & they used hand saws & coping saws all day so had built up the skill to use them quickly to do this method. Secondly & most importantly the whole point is to get the geometric look of the 45° mitres like the external corners, like a picture frame. with this method your joint line isn't straight down the centre it waves off following the upper profile of the skirting. Also ridiculous because the first step of this process is to 45 mitre it so just stop there. Yes not all rooms are perfectly square so either fill the gap with caulk if your painting it or if your leaving it as natural wood just sand the rear of the 45° edge down a little if you have slight gap towards the front & vice versa if you have a gap at the back.
Get some saws bud.
I fell asleep halfway through