Pantsir giving off the same RWR notification as a Gepard or a Shilka seems like a cruel joke. The changes this update between RWR and player profile haven't been good.
It’s fine. US teams are just bad and it has nothing to do with lopsided SPAA causing one nation and whoever is with it to have an easier time providing CAS. CAS complainers oddly silent when Russian CAS is abusing ground forces.
@@usedcarjockeyjockey6625its not warthunders fault the us only made short range and long range spa rather than being like they Russians and makeind short medium and long range spaa
@@meepthunder8060You’re right it’s not. IT IS WT’s fault that the only way to counter this for the US is with an aircraft that costs 4 to 10 times the amount of SPAA.
@@meepthunder8060 So by your logic, Gaijin should add the F-22 and F-35 and justify it by saying that it's not their fault commie bloc never developed anything equivalent.
@@usedcarjockeyjockey6625in ground anyways, the air RB and SB stuff is just the fact most newbies pick US(and gaijin refuses to stop adding high tier premiums) but like that’s expected If they wouldn’t be weirdly stingy about both being creative and accepting sources for changes to US ground vehicles it wouldn’t be as much of an issue
It’s ridiculous how easy the pantsir can control the airspace and how fast and easy the missiles are to use and no other nation is even close to the same capabilities
@@christopherchartier3017they home in on any radar. Technically you should just need to chuck them at the battle field and they will do the rest. Problem is they’d probably go after both sides radar since the distance between the teams isn’t that far.
@@snowdropfox5754CAS is supposed to be the balancing factor in an asymmetric matchup between blufor and redfor sides, but because of gaijin choosing to add the pantsir instead of the tor-m1 to the USSR tree there is now an absurd amount of capability on one of the two teams in a match, and it basically locks down any counter play from anything except tanks until it’s dead I will say I think there should be a no planes no helis tank mode for RB and maybe SB idk how GSB works
Hey Hunter, thank you very much for the great content! I appreciate how you are playing the aircraft, tanks and weapons like they‘re supposed to be played and in the most „realistic“ way you can achieve in War Thunder :) The Pantsir is such a pain for me and I‘m glad, that I‘m not only one seeing it this way :D I hope you‘re doing well and healthy, greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
33:44 That wasn't because of the wheather. There is a bug right now, if you carry any bombs you can't launch missiles nor deploy chaff or flares if you are faster than mach 1. I tested with F-15C, F-15E and F-16C. All of them couldn't launch after mach 1. You have to drop all of your bombs to be able to launch faster than mach 1.
Nice correction dude, thanks for telling us about it, what a bad bug! imagine locking a serious enemy like Pantsir S1 but you can't launch because of a bug!
The Pantsir player seeing more munitions come off one plane than he has interceptors to shoot them with (He has little to no idea which are Mavs and which are SDB's)...
@@beherith2874 Yeah, he can replenish them. Not before dying to the swarm though... Since he's gotta stay stationary to replenish, he can be killed rather easily with SDB swarms
Inherent problems woth top tier battles are too much now. Games last too short and the tank/plane battle areas are too small for these vehicles. Rank 8 should not play any of these COD maps, we are pushed into unfair or suboptimal situations with many vehicles.
And that’s the issue. Realistically countries do operate short range anti air vehicles that perform as well or better than a pantsir, but they’re not all on one Self propelled vehicle.
Damm Bravo for the dogfight against multiple enemy planes and a helicopter. I usely make dumb mistakes when trying that but if i make the decision to run i usely die as well haha. My dearest compliments
I really didn't get it how you nearly every turn took the right angle to keep up speed and get the upper hand. I was really and i mean really amazed. Haven't seen many of such dogfight
"AAA" ID of the Pantsir should be fixed now (as of version 2.41.0.24, which only just released). Should be back to being ID'd as "S1". Would need to confirm myself still, so if anyone else could confirm it too, that would be great as well.
About the tor in one of the clips. I believe that the buildable ammo crates gave infinite ammo on the first day of the live server. I'm pretty sure this has been fixed
We really need new modes/maps. Total overhaul for both ARB and GRB. Hopefully in the coming years when they have added all there has ever been made they will have no excuse.
Appreciate it 3obka! Your scenes are definitely better haha, I just showed it to let people know how many bombs are dropped because from TGP it is not clear if you don't look at the number of bombs.
Probably not very well against most ground units due to how gaijin models things, it’d be closer to napalm with how they would be more effective against light/unarmored units or bases.
I'm surprised you didn't use the GBU39's as decoys for the pantsir while going in to finish it with a maverick. Either way, I love that aircraft. So much power, all wrapped up in one package
Hey hunter have you tried firing multiple rockets at pantsirs along with mavericks? It makes their radar go crazy makes it alot harder to intercept the maverick among all the rockets
lil fun fact: if you play the Tornado*, the in cockpit RWR will tell you exactly what is locking you still (and w/ a compass heading, very nice for sim) *i only have the german Tree one so i cannot vouch for UK nados
that dogfight with the Su-17 was painful. Those planes are such bricks and the fact you could turn with them despite all the ground ordnance you were carrying just shows it. And the second you dropped it you were going to win. Soviet swing wing planes have some of the worst turn rates.
i dont think pantsir itself is an issue. i think every nation should have a pantsir(or equivalent) and if they cant, give us 110SP full AtA loadout planes also add a fucking tank only mode
Question hunter, I notice that you play sim with keyboard and mouse, just wondering what setting because when I play with out the HUD, and I only use "w,a,s,d" to control my plane, one issue is every plane seems to tilt up, just wondering if that's something to fix with trim or if there's a specific setting?
wish it had a faster AGM than the Mavrick, its really slow and really to intercept, the only reason i prefer playing the Su-34 over this is the missiles altho it would be really OP if it had faster AGMs
Sadly afaik the US don't have one. Everything lingers around the high subsonic range, unironically the Maverick is probably the fastest A2G missile together with the Hellfire, for shorter ranges at least. For longer ranges, lofting bombs, yes bombs, will be overal faster. I have made a bug report however on the Maverick which might improve the speed of the Maverick, but don't expect much from it anyway. Maybe at most roughly a 20% faster time to target, but I only only was able to find concrete data on 1 Maverick (an AGM-65G), and considering the sample size it might just get rejected because of that. This is also why I was kinda sad Gaijin nerfed bombs, because those were at least reliable to kill Pantsirs with as they were practically indestructible (apart from direct hits, from say gunfire).
6 Minutes of trying to counter their SAMs, enough time to make your F-15E have 0 impact on the outcome of the game… Meanwhile the Russian get to do this 16:21 to the kill feed US CAS surely dominates matches mhmm…
عاشو حرفيا مسيطره على الدفاعات الجويه الي حيرني ابو الدفاع الجوي ضرب القنبله تقريبا ٣ صواريخ وما اصابه كان عنده ختيار يتحرك من مكانه بق صافن حاير شيسوي .
How do you mainly play when there are too much clouds blocking you from seeing enemies from high alt? Striking from super low alt using speed? Or still climb up?
When the weather is low cloud cover I use a chopper and when it is cloudy or storm I use jet and use the gaps in the clouds to strike from. I don't succeed always for sure 👍
This is. 5% of the matches legit I only got to play 3 times with it in 18 matches in GRB. Yesterday teams were straight nooty cheeks getting clapped after3 minutes of game. Then when I did spawn in it it was 3 Pantsirs up so yeah
Funny how Russian players will say that F-15E is broken while having the best SPAA in the game and not move an inch/centimeter and die to a glide bomb...
Против тебя какие то глупые игроки играли на ПВО, обычно тот же панцирь С-1 сбивает абсолютно все ракеты и бомбы, тактика штурма от высоты давно уже на канает. Единственным верным решением будет установить стабилизацию на ЗРК и уйти по низам, высунуться на пару секунд и сделать пуск на относительно близкой дистанции, что бы ракету или бомбу не сбили.
Pantsir giving off the same RWR notification as a Gepard or a Shilka seems like a cruel joke. The changes this update between RWR and player profile haven't been good.
100%
RWR already reverted
I always will adore how it took half of a battle to kill Pantsir with jdams, while seeing in chat 6 kills from su34 with Kh38....
It’s fine. US teams are just bad and it has nothing to do with lopsided SPAA causing one nation and whoever is with it to have an easier time providing CAS. CAS complainers oddly silent when Russian CAS is abusing ground forces.
@@usedcarjockeyjockey6625its not warthunders fault the us only made short range and long range spa rather than being like they Russians and makeind short medium and long range spaa
@@meepthunder8060You’re right it’s not. IT IS WT’s fault that the only way to counter this for the US is with an aircraft that costs 4 to 10 times the amount of SPAA.
@@usedcarjockeyjockey6625 also very true
@@meepthunder8060 So by your logic, Gaijin should add the F-22 and F-35 and justify it by saying that it's not their fault commie bloc never developed anything equivalent.
Been waiting on this video since Firebirds went public 😭😭 glad it’s here! One of the best WT UA-camrs out there ❤️
Thanks a lot my friend, you are too kind. I appreciate it :)
PRO: F15E is great CAS.
CON: US teams
True
It’s still an enigma to me how bad the teams are when the us tech tree has stuff like this
@@christopherchartier3017because other big three are dirt easy to play compared to the US
@@christopherchartier3017ground is a bit dog and filled with lvl 20s
@@usedcarjockeyjockey6625in ground anyways, the air RB and SB stuff is just the fact most newbies pick US(and gaijin refuses to stop adding high tier premiums) but like that’s expected
If they wouldn’t be weirdly stingy about both being creative and accepting sources for changes to US ground vehicles it wouldn’t be as much of an issue
Flagship fighter of Ace Combat 6: Fires of Liberation. 40 years of F-15E in 2026.
Truly dancing with the angels with this one
Pantsirs trying to get a shot seeing a F-15 flying past at mach 2
It’s ridiculous how easy the pantsir can control the airspace and how fast and easy the missiles are to use and no other nation is even close to the same capabilities
comrade, "fair and balanced gameplay" only for ruzzian team.
Well if they dont „balance“ it like that they will be sent to frontline to conduct research
I’d be cool with Pantsir if they just added AGM88 HARMS for US ordnance.
@@DaSteeJ07I don’t think the HARM can even really track the pantsir’s radar tho, can it?
@@christopherchartier3017they home in on any radar. Technically you should just need to chuck them at the battle field and they will do the rest. Problem is they’d probably go after both sides radar since the distance between the teams isn’t that far.
They just told me I won’t be able to get a laptop till December so I can only admire the f15 from your videos 😂
haha it is fine, December is near.
Truly one of the (self escorting) strike aircraft of all time
8:39 nice cinematic shot!
its astonishing that you're allowed to post these actual masterclass videos on youtube for free man, incredible stuff as always
You are too kind my friend, thanks a lot .. I'm just an average player sharing his fun experience with the community :)
900sp CAS jet vs 90sp Pantsir. WOW SUPERB BALANCE!
Pantsir ruin this game
Good. CAS is cancer.
@@snowdropfox5754CAS is supposed to be the balancing factor in an asymmetric matchup between blufor and redfor sides, but because of gaijin choosing to add the pantsir instead of the tor-m1 to the USSR tree there is now an absurd amount of capability on one of the two teams in a match, and it basically locks down any counter play from anything except tanks until it’s dead
I will say I think there should be a no planes no helis tank mode for RB and maybe SB idk how GSB works
Hey Hunter, thank you very much for the great content! I appreciate how you are playing the aircraft, tanks and weapons like they‘re supposed to be played and in the most „realistic“ way you can achieve in War Thunder :) The Pantsir is such a pain for me and I‘m glad, that I‘m not only one seeing it this way :D
I hope you‘re doing well and healthy, greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
Hello my friend, thanks a lot and I'm very happy you are satisfied. I appreciate it 🙏
As always, excelent video my friend Hunter. This plane looks amazing! looking forward to unlock it.
Thanks a ton!
33:44 That wasn't because of the wheather. There is a bug right now, if you carry any bombs you can't launch missiles nor deploy chaff or flares if you are faster than mach 1. I tested with F-15C, F-15E and F-16C. All of them couldn't launch after mach 1. You have to drop all of your bombs to be able to launch faster than mach 1.
Nice correction dude, thanks for telling us about it, what a bad bug! imagine locking a serious enemy like Pantsir S1 but you can't launch because of a bug!
@@Hunter_i86 Yeah, it is really annoying. I hope they fix that quick.
same on su24, died because of that today
Very nice plane for CAS, can't wait to see the Su-34
You have to kill a helicopter with a LGB to complete optimal role playing
Such a beautiful aircraft! Great vid as always!
Glad you enjoyed it :)
The Pantsir player seeing more munitions come off one plane than he has interceptors to shoot them with (He has little to no idea which are Mavs and which are SDB's)...
Good thing he can just replenish them anywhere on the map indefinitely now
@@beherith2874 Yeah, he can replenish them. Not before dying to the swarm though... Since he's gotta stay stationary to replenish, he can be killed rather easily with SDB swarms
Been waiting to see what you could do with this beauty, banger video as always brother
Appreciate it!! Thanks :)
the problem is all the cas options are mesured against the S1 and all spaa against the f15E and the su34 and most options just dont compare at all
Inherent problems woth top tier battles are too much now. Games last too short and the tank/plane battle areas are too small for these vehicles. Rank 8 should not play any of these COD maps, we are pushed into unfair or suboptimal situations with many vehicles.
I agree.
I think they need to make way larger maps for the top tier( 11+ br ) cause these maps now are really small for such vehicles
Lol sooner or later, they're gonna have to make a radar truck to be unlocked. For example along withan S300 or Patriot missile battery systems
And that’s the issue. Realistically countries do operate short range anti air vehicles that perform as well or better than a pantsir, but they’re not all on one Self propelled vehicle.
Damm Bravo for the dogfight against multiple enemy planes and a helicopter. I usely make dumb mistakes when trying that but if i make the decision to run i usely die as well haha. My dearest compliments
Thanks a lot! I'm surprised I didn't die there haha
I really didn't get it how you nearly every turn took the right angle to keep up speed and get the upper hand. I was really and i mean really amazed. Haven't seen many of such dogfight
"AAA" ID of the Pantsir should be fixed now (as of version 2.41.0.24, which only just released). Should be back to being ID'd as "S1". Would need to confirm myself still, so if anyone else could confirm it too, that would be great as well.
Nice!!
About the tor in one of the clips. I believe that the buildable ammo crates gave infinite ammo on the first day of the live server. I'm pretty sure this has been fixed
WOW! haha
We really need new modes/maps. Total overhaul for both ARB and GRB. Hopefully in the coming years when they have added all there has ever been made they will have no excuse.
goosh cinematic shots would go Crazy in your videos ! and as always Nice CAS hunter good job
Appreciate it 3obka! Your scenes are definitely better haha, I just showed it to let people know how many bombs are dropped because from TGP it is not clear if you don't look at the number of bombs.
@@Hunter_i86 ahhh makes sense ! good tought
I wonder, how would cluster bombs. Would work in this game
Probably not very well against most ground units due to how gaijin models things, it’d be closer to napalm with how they would be more effective against light/unarmored units or bases.
I'm surprised you didn't use the GBU39's as decoys for the pantsir while going in to finish it with a maverick.
Either way, I love that aircraft. So much power, all wrapped up in one package
I did the idea in Mozdok map, dropped some GBUs and one Maverick D against the enemy Pantsir S1.
Hey hunter have you tried firing multiple rockets at pantsirs along with mavericks? It makes their radar go crazy makes it alot harder to intercept the maverick among all the rockets
Yes, I decided to do it in Mozdok map in this video, dropped multiple GBU-39s and one Maverick D on the enemy Pantsir S1.
Hunterr good job man! Please post ur main graphic settings after this update
Thanks a lot my friend
lil fun fact: if you play the Tornado*, the in cockpit RWR will tell you exactly what is locking you still (and w/ a compass heading, very nice for sim)
*i only have the german Tree one so i cannot vouch for UK nados
Thanks for teaching me how to Cas better
You are gonna make so many people uninstall the game with this plane dude xD
that dogfight with the Su-17 was painful. Those planes are such bricks and the fact you could turn with them despite all the ground ordnance you were carrying just shows it. And the second you dropped it you were going to win.
Soviet swing wing planes have some of the worst turn rates.
i dont think pantsir itself is an issue. i think every nation should have a pantsir(or equivalent) and if they cant, give us 110SP full AtA loadout planes
also add a fucking tank only mode
bruh
@ what bruh
Hi Hunter again nice video and what is your favourite aircraft from the update? Have a nice day
Hello my friend, not sure yet! :D
Thanks
This is absolute cinema 😍
Enjoy :)
@Hunter_i86 ❤️
*Liberation of Gracemeria intensifies*
Rate the F-15E from 1 to 10
The cannon from the su-24 have return
😍
Question hunter, I notice that you play sim with keyboard and mouse, just wondering what setting because when I play with out the HUD, and I only use "w,a,s,d" to control my plane, one issue is every plane seems to tilt up, just wondering if that's something to fix with trim or if there's a specific setting?
Mouse and Keyboard, relative control mode, SAS Modes button for modern jets help to stabilize when set on "SAS Damping".
@@Hunter_i86 Thank you so much
اخي ممكن تقترح على منتجين اصلاح قمره القياده الخاصة su-34 تكدر تشوف الخلل اثناء لعبك مود sim❤
My fav jet is finally in war thunder 😍😍
Best jet in game???
wish it had a faster AGM than the Mavrick, its really slow and really to intercept, the only reason i prefer playing the Su-34 over this is the missiles altho it would be really OP if it had faster AGMs
Sadly afaik the US don't have one. Everything lingers around the high subsonic range, unironically the Maverick is probably the fastest A2G missile together with the Hellfire, for shorter ranges at least. For longer ranges, lofting bombs, yes bombs, will be overal faster.
I have made a bug report however on the Maverick which might improve the speed of the Maverick, but don't expect much from it anyway. Maybe at most roughly a 20% faster time to target, but I only only was able to find concrete data on 1 Maverick (an AGM-65G), and considering the sample size it might just get rejected because of that. This is also why I was kinda sad Gaijin nerfed bombs, because those were at least reliable to kill Pantsirs with as they were practically indestructible (apart from direct hits, from say gunfire).
6 Minutes of trying to counter their SAMs, enough time to make your F-15E have 0 impact on the outcome of the game…
Meanwhile the Russian get to do this 16:21 to the kill feed
US CAS surely dominates matches mhmm…
Sadly USA invested in bombs more than in missiles
I hope one day we get the mig 25 or 31 added so we can see the best vs the best
LMFAO
Lol, they are absolute garbage and do nothing to F15.
Most certainly will be the counter to the F-18😜
maybe the mig 31 but the mig 25 will in no way shape or form be able to compete with the 15E
Why RWR does not show launch missile of Pansir?
Because Pantsir S1 track radar is (K) band, and F-15 RWR band is E-J so it doesn't cover K frequency.
@@Hunter_i86 Thanks! 😊
21:44 Aamrams don't thrust vector chief
Yeah, I think this is my first trying it at this range so I didn't know :D
The Su-34 is next.
عاشو حرفيا مسيطره على الدفاعات الجويه الي حيرني ابو الدفاع الجوي ضرب القنبله تقريبا ٣ صواريخ وما اصابه كان عنده ختيار يتحرك من مكانه بق صافن حاير شيسوي .
How do you judge that how far glide bombs are going to glide?
Trial and error, practice, tests ... etc, these bombs can reach to 18km target even if your plane was at 3000m altitude only, at Mach 0.9 speed.
I think Maverick missiles shouldn't work in this kind of weather. Why it is work?
F15 it's so at everything
How do you mainly play when there are too much clouds blocking you from seeing enemies from high alt? Striking from super low alt using speed? Or still climb up?
When the weather is low cloud cover I use a chopper and when it is cloudy or storm I use jet and use the gaps in the clouds to strike from. I don't succeed always for sure 👍
@Hunter_i86 that helps me a lot! Thank you!
man i wish germany wood get such a capable cas plane :/
This is. 5% of the matches legit I only got to play 3 times with it in 18 matches in GRB. Yesterday teams were straight nooty cheeks getting clapped after3 minutes of game. Then when I did spawn in it it was 3 Pantsirs up so yeah
how tf did u dodge the first missile by simply going down. i swear i be flying all over the place so much more and still die.
Is this video filmed before or after the F15E nerf
What nerf dude? the update just came out and I played and recorded yesterday LoL.
@@Hunter_i86 sadly gajin nerfed the F15E, its so unrealistic it should be that good
Funny how Russian players will say that F-15E is broken while having the best SPAA in the game and not move an inch/centimeter and die to a glide bomb...
Su34 when?
how can i find this mode in war thunder?
Ground Realistic Battles
litty
if only it had bomb with laser+iog+gps
Против тебя какие то глупые игроки играли на ПВО, обычно тот же панцирь С-1 сбивает абсолютно все ракеты и бомбы, тактика штурма от высоты давно уже на канает.
Единственным верным решением будет установить стабилизацию на ЗРК и уйти по низам, высунуться на пару секунд и сделать пуск на относительно близкой дистанции, что бы ракету или бомбу не сбили.
15:25, xD
34:54
My favorite modern jets is finally here and i have it just suck i got to fight cope Russian AA
And Tornado GR.4 is supposed to compete with that? What a joke
🎉
The first 6 minutes of the video are just selfishness, you gave the game to the other side because of the anti-aircraft
If I ignore the anti aircraft I die, simple like that.
@@Hunter_i86 Bunu görmezden gelmenize gerek yok, takıma biraz daha fazla katkıda bulunabilirdiniz ama uçaksavar konusunda ısrar ettiniz