It’s also giving “Hi, my name is Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven Way” Ngl the people saying that she writes like she’s writing a fan fiction are on to something
1:32:00 She literally told Alyssa about how her brother SA’ed and abused her and now she’s pregnant from it, and this girl goes “I hope it’s a girl so our daughters can be besties”…….. GIRL WHAT????
I feel like I’m defending Colleen hoover in all these comments and I’m not lol but Alyssa literally tells her to not get back with Ryle 😭 just because her dad shouldn’t be in the baby’s life doesn’t mean her auntie shouldn’t
@@jessicaa4436yeah but that’s still an insensitive thing to say? Doesn’t matter if she said not to get back with Ryle, the point is that she downplayed Lily’s experience by saying “I hope it’s a girl so our daughters can be besties”
It’s honestly wild that this is meant to be an exploration of abuse but Ryle is the exact same as the rest of her love interests. Colleen absolutely thinks that only physical violence is abuse
@@Vicious2998 we’re talking about the emotional abuse that her books romanticise. That’s why I said that she thinks that only physical violence is abuse, because practically all of her love interests are emotionally or even sexually abusive and they’re all portrayed as incredible people. Both Atlas and Will are groomers, but Colleen constantly claims that they’re incredible people But if you want physically abusive characters that are portrayed, if not in a fully positive light, at least as sympathetic and justified? Ben, Jeremy, and Warren. Ben may not have intentionally set her house on fire, but he utilised the burns that he caused to manipulate and seduce her, and when she tried to break up with him he fantasised about throwing her to the ground and holding her there. Then at the end Fallon explicitly says that all of his behaviours were justified. Then in Verity Lowen constantly assures that Jeremy attempting to murder Verity and successfully doing so were actually good things because Verity was evil. And in Maybe Not, Warren constantly physically and sexually abuses Bridgette, and the series goes out of its way to say that Warren is a dick but ultimately a good person The only CoHo book I can think of in which there is no form of abuse that I’m aware of is heart bones, and that’s of the 20 or so I’ve consumed content about. She’s absolutely an abuse apologist ETA: there’s a scene in Point of Retreat in which Will and Layken convince their brothers, a pair of extremely traumatised children who have each witnessed their parents die, that they’re about to literally beat them to death as a punishment for getting in trouble at school, and the whole time they’re trying to stifle their laughter as if it’s the funniest thing they’ve ever done (see Alizee’s videos)
@Vicious2998 November 9 had a straight up rape scene in it that had to be cut out in later editions because it wasn't addressed as being rape and was romantacized. That same character, Ben, also is only in a relationship with Fallon because he stalked her after he set her house on fire and gave her horrific burn scars. In Ugly Love Miles is extremely emotionally abusive. In Slammed the high school student main character has a relationship with her adult teacher and it's played off as cute and romantic. In Layla the main character is fine with drugging his girlfriend just so he can talk to the ghost possessing her.
Yeah this feels soooo romanticized. Especially seeing the production/marketing for the movie now. I feel like she might be doing it intentionally to show that the perfect guy can still be abusive but I think it would be more convincing if he had more mental depth as a character. But she also writes most of her female characters pretty surface level/similar book to book as well
You don’t understand how obsessed I am with y’all simultaneously ranting about how stupid he is for grabbing the pan with his bare hand. I’m actually crying.
I totally understand & may be giving Colleen too much credit here but I wonder the point of marketing that way was bc Lily does view their relationship as a romance at first - she ignores red flags, accepts his apologies, and excuses the abuse. Plus the way that the makeup sex scene is written excusing his actions makes me think that we are supposed to be on the same journey of not realizing how bad Ryle is until things escalate further & both Lily & the audience recognize just how much danger she’s in?
i think colleen hoover is a perfect example of “good idea, bad execution” bc her concepts are very intriguing but the way she goes about writing them makes my teeth itch.
@@Woah-Thats-Crazy like i absolutely loved the concept of layla but when i watched nicole’s and alizee’s videos on it i was like OH MY GOD?????? the drugging could have been left out and the story would have the exact same 😭
exactly like making your main love interest become abusive is a very good representation of how women get blindsided by abuse, but bc she is incapable of writing anything but a romance she shoehorns in another romance. without the weird letters and atlas it could have been amazing
my sister is a doctor and she says that the first thing one of her profs at med school told them is that if they cannot control their emotions they prolly need to change something about that because as doctors you literally don't have the moral right to operate on somebody with that kind of temperament because you cannot endanger the life of an innocent person just because you had a fight with your wife. how is ryle even licensed?
I remember thinking about that when I 1st read the book. This Ryle guy is so emotionally unstable, and then they say hile was in a 18 hour surgery? Wtf.
If Hoover is speaking from experience when it comes to abuse, it sadly makes sense considering people that have traumatic childhood from parents are more likely to end up in abusive relationships ):
Well there are laws that prevent people being fired for what are considered "moral failures" in their personal lives, because we don't live in a totalitarian religious regime. Like granted, DV is a violent crime and that's a different issue, but I don't give a flying fck if my doctor cheats on their spouse. Quite honestly, if someone was operating on a family member's brain, the thing i would care the most about, knowing what i know, wink wink, is how much they "ski", cuz THAT can make someone violently unhinged if they don't go down a hill every couple of hours! And the day I'll see any surgeon controlling his emotions outside of the OR , I mean, I think we will have achieved peace on earth first so as far as this ex-nurse is concerned, your sister's professors are all hypocrites. in nursing we are taught the difference between sympathy and empathy. Sympathy is mirroring someone's emotions: being sad because they are sad, upset because what they are saying is upsetting, etc. (btw not to be confused with someone who is said to be sympathetic, which means they having the inate ability to have others mirror their own mood and that mood is usually happiness). Sympathy is quite a useless helper-client approach which tends to shift the attention away from the person in crisis towards the person meant to be helping them, is usually expresses by people who are a little immature, or children, and is antithetical to therapeutic rapports (imagine if when someone talked about childhood trauma, their therapist started crying... yeah that therapy won't be going far). Empathy is instinct to identify the emotion and have the appropriate compassionate reaction. So if someone is crying because their boyfriend dumped them, instead of mirroring the crying, you hand them a kleenex to whipe their tears and say something like "this seems to have caught you off guard. You must be very scared to face what's ahead. I know now is time to discuss the future but when you are ready I'll help you figure it out and it won't feel so daunting. For now take your time cry it out all you want it's what today is for" or crap like that. Not to say there aren't stories so completely horrific that people don't cry like babies for 20 minutes! but what matters is to not do it in front of the person who is telling you that story. If a 5 year old burn victim is explainig to you what happened during the house fire in which both their parents and their three siblings perished, the most psychologically damaging thing any adult can add at that point is sob and say "OH MY GAWD YOUR LIFE AS YOU KNOW IT IS OVER THIS IS SO SAD" !!! Cuz if medical professionals and EMTs, teachers, first responders, therapists, guidance counselors, you name it, had to experience all th feels of everyone the met, that would be impossible. For everyone.
Weird that coho only considers ryle as an abusive partner, when literally all the other romantic interest men in her other books act *exactly* like him (but they arent considered abusive at all???) Also lily absolutely did not end the cycle of abuse! She allows her abusive ex (who claims to have violent blackouts) to be with her daughter unsupervised ?!?!? Wtf
The other book explains why, Ryle is a neurosurgeon and there is no proof of her abuse - if she tried to get full custody in court there’s a huge change that A this wouldn’t work out and B Ryle could go for full custody
@@jessicaa4436 yeah I get that. My point was more that the cycle of abuse doesnt end in "it ends with us" despite lily (and through her colleen) claiming it did.
@@kyokunskittyThis also assumes that allysa would do that bc at least irl a lot of family members of abusers. don't help victims at all. Also domestic violence court famously does not support victims and without proof she wouldn't have won in court. I think she also thinks bc ryle was only abusive to her that her daughter wouldn't be abused. But it's explained in the sequel ETA: I'm not defending anything related to this book or Lily's choice to let him have visitation, pls don't take my explanation of why a victim might not go to court as defending it jfc
@@sleepysadpoet idk I think that if theh believe that he has "violent blackouts" then no child should be around him unsupervised. Lily probably has a case to at least not have him alone with their child since he has been in therapy for his anger issues for decades Also if he is only violent towards romantic partners then the child will definitely experience domestic violence when ryle gets a gf in the future. So yeah- the cycle doesnt end in "it ends with us"
I read this book in one sitting. While I disliked the story and the writing, I found the concept of Lily and Ryle‘s relationship and the lessons one is meant to learn from their “love story” devastating and disturbing. I later went on to teach English Language and Literature at an IB high school. I was shocked when I learned my students had been reading the book and romanticizing Ryle and Lily’s relationship and blaming Lily for the breakup and even blaming her for the abuse. It took a lot of time to show them how wrong they were through classroom texts and extra book recommendations.
And that’s exactly what her writing causes ig. in theory it’s great to explore toxic relationships in literature but she just straight up writes fanfic about abuse lmao
You probably saved some of them from ending up in abusive relationships themselves. It is when we romanticize abusive behavior that we end up in abusive situations because we weren't trained to look for the signs. You should remind yourself of just how good of a person you are for doing that.
I just watched it!! they really don't talk about ellen at all😭 they show a small clip of her writing to her, and then a cut to the ellen show when she invites atlas to watch with her. everything to ellen in the book is basically just a flashback.
@@nina.robbs565 omfg why would they even include that? Why couldnt she just have been writing in her journal? 😂 that's like if she wrote to Dr. Phil or to Jimmy Fallon while having this teenage existential crisis 😭😭 "Dear Jimmy, I really wanted Atlas to touch my boob, and also, my dad still abuses my mother. Great show tonight, though!" 😭😭
I'd think that was a conflict of interest. I mean she does support charity's for ending child abuse. (Probably abuse in general but I found a Tiktok of her making a sad speech and it seemed authentic.)
I mean, she got married on a former slave plantation. Which is a yikes of such fundamental proportions that being involved with a Colleen Hoover property seems mild in comparison.
Ooohh!! Then I highly recommend the Nikki Carreon video where she talks about these books if you haven't watched it yet it sounds like from what you said that you'd really enjoy it
@@DonutdealersShe had pretty good commentary but I couldn't stand her saying "literally" in every sentence, it drove me absolutely bonkers how excessive it was 😢
I love that even as certified hooverhaters you guys were able to take a step back and acknowledge what you thought was well done this is why yall are my parasocial white besties
colleen hoover seriously messed this book up so badly, because literally everything ryle does is exactly what all her other male characters do. And the people on booktok think they can analyse this book by saying they also fell in love with ryle before he became abusive just like lily did, even though he was literally breaking chairs in chapter 1, like no? It's still weird you liked him when he displayed countless red flags. It really does just go to show how blind some readers can be, because the only actions they deem actually abusive was when he was physically hurting her, or verbally abusing her and yelling. I think the only parts that were good, was the sections coho took directly from her mothers' experience. Like Lily's chat with her mum in the hospital. Other than those scenes, the wattpad dialogue, and cringe characters ruined it.
I think that was the point. You ignore the red flags if they convince/manipulate you with their "history". If that makes sense, however my knowledge on past colleen hoover books are solely from nicole so somewhat limited.
@@jasmyne23 yes, If you were directly being manipulated, that will obviously lead to getting yourself into these relationships. My point is that Ryle's red flags are exactly the same as most toxic men in romance books, but aren't seen as red flags because booktok has somehow looked past serious issues. And coho wanted to use the literal domestic abuse as a "plot twist" which is so irresponsible and messed up, which is why she didn't even put a trigger warning or a mention of it in the blurb, she thinks she can write a man throwing chairs in anger, and think her readers will still think he's hot
@userabby17 it is not messed up to write something serious as a twist happens in any genre : you find out who the murderer is, you see someone r@pe someone,hit them. The only messed up thing would be to romanticize the relationshipin a way that isn't the point. You see how the MC no longer wants to be with the abuser, and how she copes with it can be very realistic, not every character is going to be a perfect morally correct, or hyper observant.
@@jasmyne23 Finding out the identity of someone isn't an example, because it's a genuine plot twist. Including r@pe IS messed up if you don't include trigger warnings. Something as serious as r@pe should not be used as a plot twist, that's irresponsible. Coho claims she wrote this story based on her mother's life. which is fine, but if this a true ode to her, she would let everyone know in the blurb, and as a warning at the start. Instead she let the marketing say it was a romance. I watched a yt review from Rachel Oates, who did a great video, and she went through similar things to Lily, she was warned prior the book was about domestic violence, but she says if she was not told, and went into thr book blind like colleen wants, it would've messed her up and brought back her traumatic experience. If you have even an ounce of empathy for the horror survivors go through, you would imagine reading or watching this story, thinking it was a simple romance, and then suddenly you're re-living something so many people go through life long journey's to overcome.
@@userabbie17 I agree there should have been a trigger, however, I don't find this an out of-nowhere twist. You can see it coming a mile away. However, while courteous, placing trigger warnings is unnecessary, as it is someone's responsibility to handle their own triggers. Once you notice the signs of abuse i.e. the mother and father, close the book and return it. It does not take a rocket scientist to see where the book is heading. The only trigger warning that should be made is in media form with epilepsy as one may not be able to control how their body will react,
My sister & I read this back during the start of the pandemic. She hates Atlas solely because of that scene where he said that chocolate chip cookies need 20 minutes to bake.
I don't know what it is, but Nicole is literally glowing. Girl is it the makeup, are you taking new vitamins? Whatever it is, you look like actual sunshine ❤
One thing in the book when she says I'm my mother when she decided to stay with Ryle and I'm my father, when she said she wished that the baby wasn't his, that was kind of slay as a writing prospect because it gives light to the generational trauma and how it passed down to her and how there's some parts of both her parents in her even though she has grown into a person of her own with the decisions she made for herself but all those experiences she had with her mothers abuse seeing those from outside.
I definitely hope she writes a more horror/thriller type book someday. Her 'romance' is very questionable but she seems to be rly good at writing serious and unsettling concepts. And also now that she has a large fanbase it would sell good too
that’s what i thought with verity. it’s very close to being VC andrews adjacent. i think she needs to work on her prose and dialogue but plot wise verity was wonderfully fucked up and well paced
@@sillygoose420 yea i agree i think her main issue is her vocabulary/prose/ and the way she writes in general. Its sooo unprofessional and unrealistic that it reads like wattpad
She tried with Verity, but it sucked. The twist at the end, while surprising, was absolutely nonsensical. Even M. Night Shyamalan can do better than that.
I cannot believe that the casserole scene happens and is then followed by a smut scene- the writing during that is genuinely terrifying and then followed by "Every time he enters me, he whispers another apology... everytime he pulls out of me, my anger leaves with him." Theres no way this relationship is supposed to be the better of two options. Colleen Hoover needs therapy. Edit: Okay, I am so happy that this didn't end with her staying with the abusive husband. The ending was pretty good
This is one of the things that really bothers me about this book. Like Colleen Hoover primarily writes romantic erotica, and the fact that she still wrote all her sex scenes the way she usually does in this book gives me the ick. I think it's part of the reason some people read this and excuse Ryle's behavior. He’s still presented as sexy and erotic. And yes, that's how a lot of real abusers come across, but CoHo could have also easily made the sex scenes less explicit or done fade to black. Instead they're on par with all her other "romantic" stories.
i would respect this book a lot more if it weren’t for the rest of colleen hoover’s work tainting it. like, for all the effort i can tell she put in to depicting an abusive relationship, it’s hard to take the messaging about abuse seriously when ryle acts the exact same as all of her love interests, aside from the physical violence (and even that’s not always the case). it’s sending the message that she doesn’t take non-physical forms of abuse (emotional, financial, etc) seriously or doesn’t feel that they’re abuse at all, because the line that has to be crossed for ryle to be considered abuse but none of her other love interests are is physical. and beyond that… there are at least a few coho love interests that DO get physically violent with their romantic partners (and even more that think about it) but its always ~just one time~ and there’s always an excuse. and i hope i don't have to explain why that sits wrong and makes this book's messaging ring hollow.
this video is so rad. my dad just died three weeks ago and i love nicole's book reading vids so i just got baked in my backyard and watched this in full and it was very awesome i feel very happy now and happiness is hard to come by so thank you to these sillies for a great video!!!!
Omg thank you so much for adding the book screen shots, the CC on UA-cam never works perfectly and I need to follow along visually. Thank you guys so much for adding that seemingly non important detail that helps a lot of us out🫡
in 2022 i was working at this hostel in turkey and this super cool American girl came oneday. we hit it off instantly. we went to the beach, we watched some gay ass movies together, talked about being bi and pan, cuddled in bed while watching heartstopper, etc. then at like 11 pm we are just hanging out, I'm on my phone and she is reading this exact book, i had never heard of colleen hoover before that, she told me people told her to read this book because she has experience with abusive relationships and that "its okay so far i guess"...anyway we say goodnight and i go to bed. at like 3 am i wake up to go to the bathroom and she is just sitting there in the living room SOBBING. JUST SOBBING. i asked her what was wrong and she talked about the book and how it ends and how triggering it was. it took like the next 3 days to cheer her up because she was insanely re-traumatized from the ending of this book. anyway we never kissed or anything because of colleen hoover. so that's homophobic. but she did tell me she'd marry me if i ever come to america so that's good to know djfhkjdfhkdkh
I've been having the most atrocious, depressing day I've had all summer, and I'm so happy I saw this recommendation. Your Colleen reads are always some of the most fun I watch and I need it
It’s pretty gross how reductive she is about “the homeless guy” to where that’s the one lil factoid she always pulls out about him. Like Colleen clearly thinks it’s some wild quirky thing to interact with “a homeless guy”, like he was an alien or something.
i think you guys did a very good job reviewing this. i was anxious for you guys to review it since it’s such a heavy topic, but i think you tackled it well. you didn’t disrespect the situation lily went through but just made fun of writing choices.
i hope u and jake know these videos have conditioned me to form an association with u two with colleen hoover. the instant i saw the trailer, i immediately thought ‘wow i sure hope nicole and jake talk about this one’
time is so wild. started watching your channel in college, was listening to your podcast when i opened my grad school acceptance letter, watched your videos, and listened to the pod throughout grad school. Now here i am watching your videos on my lunch break at my dream job. feeling emo sorry lol
OH IM SAT. I’ve been missing these book readings so much!!!!! thank you for putting in the time to film & edit these videos, we appreciate it so much 🤍
IM SO GLAD you continued this. I was worried that you wouldn’t continue! Even if you don’t do Hoover books, I’d love watching you both read other batshit insane books.
i've watched every single colleen hoover book video you guys have done countless times oh my god oh my god im so excited!! like is there an option to like a video multiple times
this is one of the better colleen hoover books for sure but one thing i didn't like about this was how lily lets her daughter be around ryle who was literally emotionally and physically abusive towards her and could do the same to her daughter. even though she's not living with him but the fact that she spends a fair amout of time with him alone is enough to give her trauma for her life (just like lily) and that angers me because the whole moral of this book is to end generational trauma but i don't think it ends with them tbvh
TIL that even in a trashy romance novel about domestic violence I will still tear up when the victim asks for help to escape their abusive partner 😭 great job on the video and simultaneously dragging the book while identifying what works.
YAAAAAYYYY IM SO HAPPY THERES ANOTHER ONE!!! I was so so worried you guys would never come back! Ive been rewatching the previous 4 videos every 3 months when the book fixation comes back around. Thank you guys so much❤❤❤
I think the biggest problem with this book was the fact that it was marketed as a romance. It should be literary or women’s fiction. That’s the point of the book. Not romance. I have such a love/hate relationship with it because it was one of the books that got me back into reading but a lot about it pisses me off now.
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i never read or even seen an excerpt of this book before, and i assumed it would be a semi well written book with the issues coming from the mishandling of the DV. while it definitely mishandles the DV, the writing is HORRIBLE too. like so cringeworthy i can’t believe this book is so highly rated
just further proof that Ms Hoover is in the wrong genre 😭 the day she writes a real horror book (with the no romance!!!! ma’am!!!) is the day I will be seated
After watching this video like 10 times since its publication, I just realized how Ryle read all of her journals and only cared about Atlas’ impact on Lily’s life but not the various pages and sentences about her abusive dad and abusive childhood. He didn’t even get affected by that and reflect on it. I hope he did in the book since Ik Nicole and Jake only read certain parts but wow, what an asshole of Ryle to read EVERY single sad detail about her traumatic childhood and he decides to focus on how much Atlas meant to Lily.
You’re right! I didn’t even stop to process that until I read this comment. It already went without saying but he’s an awful person (even as a fictional character but still).
thank you for doing this book!! my mom (victim of domestic abuse) read this book recently and it was cool to understand the plot without having to read it so i can talk to her about it, it was a lovely bonding moment love this videos so much
I just want you to know that I’ve watched and rewatched each of your book readings many times. I can’t believe I have colleen hoover memorized now. I’ve never been into audiobooks but you guys just take it to another level and I’d love for y’all to read anything and everything.
I have been WAITINGG for this series to start back up again literally my all time favorite UA-cam videos to watch ever so thank you for blessing us🙏🏻🙏🏻
This physical dominance of Riley even before the violent physical abuse starts is making me very uncomfortable. Why is he just showing up at her apartment unannounced and then slaps his palms against the door on the sides of her head? How terrifying! Why is he just dragging her out of this party in front of everyone against her will? And why the hell is Colleen Hoover following this up with sexual stuff? You could have included this to show that he is a walking Red Flag but if you follow all of this up with sex it is weirdly romanticizing it and pretending that this is somehow sexy although it is actually terrifying. It is dangerous to write it in this way because while in real life you will still experience this as terrifying if it happened to you, you might not realise in how much danger someone is that is telling you about their experience anymore after reading scenes like this repeatedly.
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"my name is lily bloom and i love gardening" why is the main character a goddamn ace attorney witness 😭😭
LITERALLY MY EXACT THOUGHTS!!
ACE ATTORNEY MENTIONED !!!! WHAT THE FUCK IS A LOGICAL TRIAL ???!???!! TAKE THAT !!!!!!!!
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It’s also giving “Hi, my name is Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven Way”
Ngl the people saying that she writes like she’s writing a fan fiction are on to something
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1:32:00 She literally told Alyssa about how her brother SA’ed and abused her and now she’s pregnant from it, and this girl goes “I hope it’s a girl so our daughters can be besties”…….. GIRL WHAT????
Alyssa is the worst friend ever honestly. If my brother did that to someone I’d never speak to him again
I feel like I’m defending Colleen hoover in all these comments and I’m not lol but Alyssa literally tells her to not get back with Ryle 😭 just because her dad shouldn’t be in the baby’s life doesn’t mean her auntie shouldn’t
To be fair, I think Marshall says that
@@jessicaa4436yeah but that’s still an insensitive thing to say? Doesn’t matter if she said not to get back with Ryle, the point is that she downplayed Lily’s experience by saying “I hope it’s a girl so our daughters can be besties”
i just finished the book and fr they left out a LOT of stuff and she says sm before all that😭😭
she’s called colleen hoover because reading her books in public will suck all of the positive aura out of you
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"i wish i wore my wig🙁" and then the immediate cut to jake in the wig lmao😭
He actually looks exactly like Colleen, I'm shocked ⸜(｡˃ ᵕ ˂ )⸝♡
@@cozymoggele that's because he is Colleen
trust me, he keeps hiding under my bed and telling me that everytime I go to sleep
This should come with a spolier I cackled thru the intro LOL
It’s honestly wild that this is meant to be an exploration of abuse but Ryle is the exact same as the rest of her love interests. Colleen absolutely thinks that only physical violence is abuse
Y’all love to say this but can you actually name one of her books that portrays physical abuse from a partner in a positive light?
@@Vicious2998 we’re talking about the emotional abuse that her books romanticise. That’s why I said that she thinks that only physical violence is abuse, because practically all of her love interests are emotionally or even sexually abusive and they’re all portrayed as incredible people. Both Atlas and Will are groomers, but Colleen constantly claims that they’re incredible people
But if you want physically abusive characters that are portrayed, if not in a fully positive light, at least as sympathetic and justified? Ben, Jeremy, and Warren. Ben may not have intentionally set her house on fire, but he utilised the burns that he caused to manipulate and seduce her, and when she tried to break up with him he fantasised about throwing her to the ground and holding her there. Then at the end Fallon explicitly says that all of his behaviours were justified. Then in Verity Lowen constantly assures that Jeremy attempting to murder Verity and successfully doing so were actually good things because Verity was evil. And in Maybe Not, Warren constantly physically and sexually abuses Bridgette, and the series goes out of its way to say that Warren is a dick but ultimately a good person
The only CoHo book I can think of in which there is no form of abuse that I’m aware of is heart bones, and that’s of the 20 or so I’ve consumed content about. She’s absolutely an abuse apologist
ETA: there’s a scene in Point of Retreat in which Will and Layken convince their brothers, a pair of extremely traumatised children who have each witnessed their parents die, that they’re about to literally beat them to death as a punishment for getting in trouble at school, and the whole time they’re trying to stifle their laughter as if it’s the funniest thing they’ve ever done (see Alizee’s videos)
@Vicious2998 November 9 had a straight up rape scene in it that had to be cut out in later editions because it wasn't addressed as being rape and was romantacized. That same character, Ben, also is only in a relationship with Fallon because he stalked her after he set her house on fire and gave her horrific burn scars. In Ugly Love Miles is extremely emotionally abusive. In Slammed the high school student main character has a relationship with her adult teacher and it's played off as cute and romantic. In Layla the main character is fine with drugging his girlfriend just so he can talk to the ghost possessing her.
@@Vicious2998have you read verity? Or November 9? November 9 had a rape scene that was removed bc of backlash
Yeah this feels soooo romanticized. Especially seeing the production/marketing for the movie now. I feel like she might be doing it intentionally to show that the perfect guy can still be abusive but I think it would be more convincing if he had more mental depth as a character. But she also writes most of her female characters pretty surface level/similar book to book as well
You don’t understand how obsessed I am with y’all simultaneously ranting about how stupid he is for grabbing the pan with his bare hand. I’m actually crying.
When I read it years ago I didn't know about the pan scene so when I read it I cackled a lil bit. Until ya know what he did to Lily for laughing
i rewatched that like 6 times
i started csclkign
1:01:55 for anyone who wants that part lol i had to go find it again
[frenzied overlapping voices] NEUROSURGEON [frenzied overlapping voices]
imagine having this marketed to u as a ROMANCE and halfway through the book he pushes her into a cabinet, i physically closed the book bc what??
THISSSSSSS!!
AND then they have """"makeup"""" sex like I was genuinely baffled hearing them read that
I truly went into the book thinking it would be a cute little love triangle story… boy was I wrong😅 I put the book down for like 3 months
My exact reaction!
I totally understand & may be giving Colleen too much credit here but I wonder the point of marketing that way was bc Lily does view their relationship as a romance at first - she ignores red flags, accepts his apologies, and excuses the abuse. Plus the way that the makeup sex scene is written excusing his actions makes me think that we are supposed to be on the same journey of not realizing how bad Ryle is until things escalate further & both Lily & the audience recognize just how much danger she’s in?
i think colleen hoover is a perfect example of “good idea, bad execution” bc her concepts are very intriguing but the way she goes about writing them makes my teeth itch.
exactlyyyyy
@@Woah-Thats-Crazy like i absolutely loved the concept of layla but when i watched nicole’s and alizee’s videos on it i was like OH MY GOD?????? the drugging could have been left out and the story would have the exact same 😭
exactly like making your main love interest become abusive is a very good representation of how women get blindsided by abuse, but bc she is incapable of writing anything but a romance she shoehorns in another romance. without the weird letters and atlas it could have been amazing
my sister is a doctor and she says that the first thing one of her profs at med school told them is that if they cannot control their emotions they prolly need to change something about that because as doctors you literally don't have the moral right to operate on somebody with that kind of temperament because you cannot endanger the life of an innocent person just because you had a fight with your wife. how is ryle even licensed?
bc it’s colleen hoovers world and we’re just reading it
I remember thinking about that when I 1st read the book. This Ryle guy is so emotionally unstable, and then they say hile was in a 18 hour surgery? Wtf.
If Hoover is speaking from experience when it comes to abuse, it sadly makes sense considering people that have traumatic childhood from parents are more likely to end up in abusive relationships ):
Also usually can’t smoke weed as a medical professional either…
Well there are laws that prevent people being fired for what are considered "moral failures" in their personal lives, because we don't live in a totalitarian religious regime. Like granted, DV is a violent crime and that's a different issue, but I don't give a flying fck if my doctor cheats on their spouse. Quite honestly, if someone was operating on a family member's brain, the thing i would care the most about, knowing what i know, wink wink, is how much they "ski", cuz THAT can make someone violently unhinged if they don't go down a hill every couple of hours! And the day I'll see any surgeon controlling his emotions outside of the OR , I mean, I think we will have achieved peace on earth first so as far as this ex-nurse is concerned, your sister's professors are all hypocrites.
in nursing we are taught the difference between sympathy and empathy. Sympathy is mirroring someone's emotions: being sad because they are sad, upset because what they are saying is upsetting, etc. (btw not to be confused with someone who is said to be sympathetic, which means they having the inate ability to have others mirror their own mood and that mood is usually happiness). Sympathy is quite a useless helper-client approach which tends to shift the attention away from the person in crisis towards the person meant to be helping them, is usually expresses by people who are a little immature, or children, and is antithetical to therapeutic rapports (imagine if when someone talked about childhood trauma, their therapist started crying... yeah that therapy won't be going far).
Empathy is instinct to identify the emotion and have the appropriate compassionate reaction. So if someone is crying because their boyfriend dumped them, instead of mirroring the crying, you hand them a kleenex to whipe their tears and say something like "this seems to have caught you off guard. You must be very scared to face what's ahead. I know now is time to discuss the future but when you are ready I'll help you figure it out and it won't feel so daunting. For now take your time cry it out all you want it's what today is for" or crap like that.
Not to say there aren't stories so completely horrific that people don't cry like babies for 20 minutes! but what matters is to not do it in front of the person who is telling you that story. If a 5 year old burn victim is explainig to you what happened during the house fire in which both their parents and their three siblings perished, the most psychologically damaging thing any adult can add at that point is sob and say "OH MY GAWD YOUR LIFE AS YOU KNOW IT IS OVER THIS IS SO SAD" !!!
Cuz if medical professionals and EMTs, teachers, first responders, therapists, guidance counselors, you name it, had to experience all th feels of everyone the met, that would be impossible. For everyone.
Weird that coho only considers ryle as an abusive partner, when literally all the other romantic interest men in her other books act *exactly* like him (but they arent considered abusive at all???)
Also lily absolutely did not end the cycle of abuse! She allows her abusive ex (who claims to have violent blackouts) to be with her daughter unsupervised ?!?!? Wtf
The other book explains why, Ryle is a neurosurgeon and there is no proof of her abuse - if she tried to get full custody in court there’s a huge change that A this wouldn’t work out and B Ryle could go for full custody
@@jessicaa4436 yeah I get that. My point was more that the cycle of abuse doesnt end in "it ends with us" despite lily (and through her colleen) claiming it did.
@jessicaa4436 this is a very poor excuse CoHo crafted then considering that Lily could easily get Ryle's own sister as a witness.
@@kyokunskittyThis also assumes that allysa would do that bc at least irl a lot of family members of abusers. don't help victims at all. Also domestic violence court famously does not support victims and without proof she wouldn't have won in court. I think she also thinks bc ryle was only abusive to her that her daughter wouldn't be abused. But it's explained in the sequel
ETA: I'm not defending anything related to this book or Lily's choice to let him have visitation, pls don't take my explanation of why a victim might not go to court as defending it jfc
@@sleepysadpoet idk I think that if theh believe that he has "violent blackouts" then no child should be around him unsupervised. Lily probably has a case to at least not have him alone with their child since he has been in therapy for his anger issues for decades
Also if he is only violent towards romantic partners then the child will definitely experience domestic violence when ryle gets a gf in the future. So yeah- the cycle doesnt end in "it ends with us"
I read this book in one sitting. While I disliked the story and the writing, I found the concept of Lily and Ryle‘s relationship and the lessons one is meant to learn from their “love story” devastating and disturbing. I later went on to teach English Language and Literature at an IB high school. I was shocked when I learned my students had been reading the book and romanticizing Ryle and Lily’s relationship and blaming Lily for the breakup and even blaming her for the abuse. It took a lot of time to show them how wrong they were through classroom texts and extra book recommendations.
im literally crying at this
good for you for correcting them 😭 holy shit
holy shitttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
And that’s exactly what her writing causes ig. in theory it’s great to explore toxic relationships in literature but she just straight up writes fanfic about abuse lmao
You probably saved some of them from ending up in abusive relationships themselves. It is when we romanticize abusive behavior that we end up in abusive situations because we weren't trained to look for the signs. You should remind yourself of just how good of a person you are for doing that.
To be honest the only thing I'm curious about the movie adaptation is how they are going to address the whole "talking to Ellen DeGeneres"
I just watched it!! they really don't talk about ellen at all😭 they show a small clip of her writing to her, and then a cut to the ellen show when she invites atlas to watch with her. everything to ellen in the book is basically just a flashback.
@@nina.robbs565 omfg why would they even include that? Why couldnt she just have been writing in her journal? 😂 that's like if she wrote to Dr. Phil or to Jimmy Fallon while having this teenage existential crisis 😭😭 "Dear Jimmy, I really wanted Atlas to touch my boob, and also, my dad still abuses my mother. Great show tonight, though!" 😭😭
@@nina.robbs565 thank god💀💀💀
@@lotadle literally, I was so ready for a stupid voiceover- honestly, the movie isn't as bad as the book. I was hoping it would be a shit show.
54:11 💀
WAKE UP BABE NICOLE POSTED ANOTHER BOOK READING
WOKE 👁👁
no you have no idea I've been falling asleep to all 4 of these videos interchangeably and now I have another one for the roster I'm so excited
No bc i love the story times that mother gives us
Omg me too dude
Me tooo
why is nothing i do an original idea LOL we are all the same
SAME
i cried when i found out blake lively was playing the main character 😭
girl . . . . PLETHORA 😦
I'd think that was a conflict of interest. I mean she does support charity's for ending child abuse. (Probably abuse in general but I found a Tiktok of her making a sad speech and it seemed authentic.)
I LOVE YOUR PFP OMG
@@boomyboymadadeel thank you lol
I mean, she got married on a former slave plantation. Which is a yikes of such fundamental proportions that being involved with a Colleen Hoover property seems mild in comparison.
and justin baldoni 😕😕💔💔
IM SO GLAD UR DOING THIS i needed a digestible way to understand this book before the movie comes out so i can shit on it properly
bro's dedicated
you're so real for this
Ooohh!! Then I highly recommend the Nikki Carreon video where she talks about these books if you haven't watched it yet it sounds like from what you said that you'd really enjoy it
@@DonutdealersShe had pretty good commentary but I couldn't stand her saying "literally" in every sentence, it drove me absolutely bonkers how excessive it was 😢
I love that even as certified hooverhaters you guys were able to take a step back and acknowledge what you thought was well done
this is why yall are my parasocial white besties
"Thank you Nicole and Jake" we all say in unison
I fear it took me embarrassingly long to notice the wig change
colleen hoover seriously messed this book up so badly, because literally everything ryle does is exactly what all her other male characters do. And the people on booktok think they can analyse this book by saying they also fell in love with ryle before he became abusive just like lily did, even though he was literally breaking chairs in chapter 1, like no? It's still weird you liked him when he displayed countless red flags. It really does just go to show how blind some readers can be, because the only actions they deem actually abusive was when he was physically hurting her, or verbally abusing her and yelling. I think the only parts that were good, was the sections coho took directly from her mothers' experience. Like Lily's chat with her mum in the hospital. Other than those scenes, the wattpad dialogue, and cringe characters ruined it.
I think that was the point. You ignore the red flags if they convince/manipulate you with their "history". If that makes sense, however my knowledge on past colleen hoover books are solely from nicole so somewhat limited.
@@jasmyne23 yes, If you were directly being manipulated, that will obviously lead to getting yourself into these relationships. My point is that Ryle's red flags are exactly the same as most toxic men in romance books, but aren't seen as red flags because booktok has somehow looked past serious issues. And coho wanted to use the literal domestic abuse as a "plot twist" which is so irresponsible and messed up, which is why she didn't even put a trigger warning or a mention of it in the blurb, she thinks she can write a man throwing chairs in anger, and think her readers will still think he's hot
@userabby17 it is not messed up to write something serious as a twist happens in any genre : you find out who the murderer is, you see someone r@pe someone,hit them. The only messed up thing would be to romanticize the relationshipin a way that isn't the point. You see how the MC no longer wants to be with the abuser, and how she copes with it can be very realistic, not every character is going to be a perfect morally correct, or hyper observant.
@@jasmyne23 Finding out the identity of someone isn't an example, because it's a genuine plot twist. Including r@pe IS messed up if you don't include trigger warnings. Something as serious as r@pe should not be used as a plot twist, that's irresponsible. Coho claims she wrote this story based on her mother's life. which is fine, but if this a true ode to her, she would let everyone know in the blurb, and as a warning at the start. Instead she let the marketing say it was a romance. I watched a yt review from Rachel Oates, who did a great video, and she went through similar things to Lily, she was warned prior the book was about domestic violence, but she says if she was not told, and went into thr book blind like colleen wants, it would've messed her up and brought back her traumatic experience. If you have even an ounce of empathy for the horror survivors go through, you would imagine reading or watching this story, thinking it was a simple romance, and then suddenly you're re-living something so many people go through life long journey's to overcome.
@@userabbie17 I agree there should have been a trigger, however, I don't find this an out of-nowhere twist. You can see it coming a mile away. However, while courteous, placing trigger warnings is unnecessary, as it is someone's responsibility to handle their own triggers. Once you notice the signs of abuse i.e. the mother and father, close the book and return it. It does not take a rocket scientist to see where the book is heading. The only trigger warning that should be made is in media form with epilepsy as one may not be able to control how their body will react,
My sister & I read this back during the start of the pandemic. She hates Atlas solely because of that scene where he said that chocolate chip cookies need 20 minutes to bake.
the cut to the wig with no other mention of it afterwards is killing me 😭
I don't know what it is, but Nicole is literally glowing. Girl is it the makeup, are you taking new vitamins? Whatever it is, you look like actual sunshine ❤
It's the amniotic fluid 🥰🥰
its the pre-coho glow
@@an_anxiety_ridden_pigeon????
its the double anti-depressents
@@jihyodestroyerI automatically transform into gollum for the lord of the rings everytime I read colleen hoover
One thing in the book when she says I'm my mother when she decided to stay with Ryle and I'm my father, when she said she wished that the baby wasn't his, that was kind of slay as a writing prospect because it gives light to the generational trauma and how it passed down to her and how there's some parts of both her parents in her even though she has grown into a person of her own with the decisions she made for herself but all those experiences she had with her mothers abuse seeing those from outside.
I definitely hope she writes a more horror/thriller type book someday. Her 'romance' is very questionable but she seems to be rly good at writing serious and unsettling concepts.
And also now that she has a large fanbase it would sell good too
that’s what i thought with verity. it’s very close to being VC andrews adjacent. i think she needs to work on her prose and dialogue but plot wise verity was wonderfully fucked up and well paced
@@sillygoose420 yea i agree i think her main issue is her vocabulary/prose/ and the way she writes in general. Its sooo unprofessional and unrealistic that it reads like wattpad
@sillygoose420 Yeah, I agree. When I listened to them reading the book, I thought it was good besides the romance part
She tried with Verity, but it sucked. The twist at the end, while surprising, was absolutely nonsensical. Even M. Night Shyamalan can do better than that.
@@factoryofdivisiveopinionsi think it's cos she made it about the romance. if she just DIDNT write any romance it would probably be waaaaay better
The moment i found out they made a movie about “It ends with us” i’ve been praying yall would read it and i’m so glad you are!!
I NEEDED this series back 😩
“yeah i’ve ready colleen hoover!”
also me: *listens to you guys read as if it was an audiobook*
I cannot believe that the casserole scene happens and is then followed by a smut scene- the writing during that is genuinely terrifying and then followed by "Every time he enters me, he whispers another apology... everytime he pulls out of me, my anger leaves with him." Theres no way this relationship is supposed to be the better of two options. Colleen Hoover needs therapy.
Edit: Okay, I am so happy that this didn't end with her staying with the abusive husband. The ending was pretty good
This is one of the things that really bothers me about this book. Like Colleen Hoover primarily writes romantic erotica, and the fact that she still wrote all her sex scenes the way she usually does in this book gives me the ick. I think it's part of the reason some people read this and excuse Ryle's behavior. He’s still presented as sexy and erotic. And yes, that's how a lot of real abusers come across, but CoHo could have also easily made the sex scenes less explicit or done fade to black. Instead they're on par with all her other "romantic" stories.
I agree, but isn't there a second book to this one? I have never read it, so I don't know if that has a happy ending
@@MadisonDT21Yes, the sequel is about Lily starting a relationship with Atlas like the epilogue hints at. She doesn’t get back together with Ryle
@@tbgbeats4480 thank you!
The thing I don't get thought about is the fact all her love interests...literally act like Lyle...
Honestly, Jake is so right. It is incredibly impressive that y'all can sit there and read through these books in one video. Love this series
You said she's predictable but I could have never predicted a main character writing diary entries to Ellen!!
YOU DONT UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH IVE WANTED THIS AHHHH
Right
i would respect this book a lot more if it weren’t for the rest of colleen hoover’s work tainting it. like, for all the effort i can tell she put in to depicting an abusive relationship, it’s hard to take the messaging about abuse seriously when ryle acts the exact same as all of her love interests, aside from the physical violence (and even that’s not always the case). it’s sending the message that she doesn’t take non-physical forms of abuse (emotional, financial, etc) seriously or doesn’t feel that they’re abuse at all, because the line that has to be crossed for ryle to be considered abuse but none of her other love interests are is physical.
and beyond that… there are at least a few coho love interests that DO get physically violent with their romantic partners (and even more that think about it) but its always ~just one time~ and there’s always an excuse. and i hope i don't have to explain why that sits wrong and makes this book's messaging ring hollow.
Agreed, there are some problems with the book on its own, but the main thing that disturbs me is how it doesn't stand out among her other ones.
Thank god, I was craving a brunch read with my lesbian grandmas.
Please keep doing popcorn readings even if it’s not Colleen Hoover, I love your dynamic when reading and it is so fun to watch/ read along
this video is so rad. my dad just died three weeks ago and i love nicole's book reading vids so i just got baked in my backyard and watched this in full and it was very awesome i feel very happy now and happiness is hard to come by so thank you to these sillies for a great video!!!!
from one extremely baked person watching this video to another, sending you so much love
I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm sending you love ❤❤
Omg thank you so much for adding the book screen shots, the CC on UA-cam never works perfectly and I need to follow along visually. Thank you guys so much for adding that seemingly non important detail that helps a lot of us out🫡
I am SO READY for the chaos that’s about to ensue
Nicole looks so healthy idk why like her skin, hair UGH SHE'S GLOWING YALL
in 2022 i was working at this hostel in turkey and this super cool American girl came oneday. we hit it off instantly. we went to the beach, we watched some gay ass movies together, talked about being bi and pan, cuddled in bed while watching heartstopper, etc. then at like 11 pm we are just hanging out, I'm on my phone and she is reading this exact book, i had never heard of colleen hoover before that, she told me people told her to read this book because she has experience with abusive relationships and that "its okay so far i guess"...anyway we say goodnight and i go to bed. at like 3 am i wake up to go to the bathroom and she is just sitting there in the living room SOBBING. JUST SOBBING. i asked her what was wrong and she talked about the book and how it ends and how triggering it was. it took like the next 3 days to cheer her up because she was insanely re-traumatized from the ending of this book. anyway we never kissed or anything because of colleen hoover. so that's homophobic. but she did tell me she'd marry me if i ever come to america so that's good to know djfhkjdfhkdkh
AWWW SO HAPPY FOR YOU
yeah Colleen Hoover is only for stupid straight people ig
Also on ur pfp is that an aromantic heart???? I’m aro/ace myself
JAKE MIMICKING THE JERK/RELEASE MADE ME BURST OUT LAUGHING IN A WAY I HAVENT IN A LONG TIME
"does he have anger management issues, or does he just love her so much?"
little did he know that this was exactly what happens oml
This is the only way I will consume a Coho book
Literally me and you both, lol
u guys were the first thing i thought of when i saw the trailer in theaters. im so incredibly locked in.
I've been having the most atrocious, depressing day I've had all summer, and I'm so happy I saw this recommendation. Your Colleen reads are always some of the most fun I watch and I need it
me every day
take a rest for the night babe, you did a great job making it through the day ❤
@@polxrize7576 you're so sweet thx girl
It’s pretty gross how reductive she is about “the homeless guy” to where that’s the one lil factoid she always pulls out about him. Like Colleen clearly thinks it’s some wild quirky thing to interact with “a homeless guy”, like he was an alien or something.
lily blossom bloom being a gardener is like the same thing as remus lupin being a werewolf
I just got a targeted ad for NOCD with Howie Mandel before watching my OCD queen. I’m living my OCD summer 🤪
SAME
me too 😭
ME TOO 😭
OMG SAME what??
Same bro
i think you guys did a very good job reviewing this. i was anxious for you guys to review it since it’s such a heavy topic, but i think you tackled it well. you didn’t disrespect the situation lily went through but just made fun of writing choices.
i hope u and jake know these videos have conditioned me to form an association with u two with colleen hoover. the instant i saw the trailer, i immediately thought ‘wow i sure hope nicole and jake talk about this one’
I watch the Verity video to fall asleep ALOT. Something about it just is so soothing even though the book is so demented
time is so wild. started watching your channel in college, was listening to your podcast when i opened my grad school acceptance letter, watched your videos, and listened to the pod throughout grad school. Now here i am watching your videos on my lunch break at my dream job. feeling emo sorry lol
When I tell yall ive been WAITING for this one
also nicole you look so beautiful your jet black hair and your makeup is flawless my jaw is on the floor
i've been chomping on my nails waiting for a new addition to this series IM SAT
nicole's anchor voice sounds like the burgerking footlettuce guy 💞
OH IM SAT. I’ve been missing these book readings so much!!!!! thank you for putting in the time to film & edit these videos, we appreciate it so much 🤍
okay i was depressed in bed with HUGE period cramps and you guys made me giggle until 2am YOU ARE AMAZING
Help my cousin went to the PREMIERE of this goddamn movie, she’s pregnant. I just know that baby’s going to be named something ABOMINABLE.
"I'm naming her Atlese ☺️ It's after the character Atlas teehee."
@@tonichan89😂😂😂
these books really put the nasty in nikki. lowkey my favorite nikki/jake videos. stay literate, queens!
IM SO GLAD you continued this. I was worried that you wouldn’t continue! Even if you don’t do Hoover books, I’d love watching you both read other batshit insane books.
i've watched every single colleen hoover book video you guys have done countless times oh my god oh my god im so excited!!
like is there an option to like a video multiple times
I love how Trisha has YET AGAIN found her way in a Nasty vid
@36:31 bro i've always thought about i bet that stuff takes forever. that thanks for doing that nicole
"everybody should blinker before watching these videos" LMAO im so high rn
Just as I was beginning this video, my mom asked for help downloading a book to her phone. IT’S UGLY LOVE. MY MOM IS READING UGLY LOVE.
ur in the worst timeline im sorry
Wait until she gets to that LINE about the baby (if you know you know)
how did she feel ab the big balls?
SAVE HER .😔
I’ve been waiting for another one of these!!!! I refuse to read her books myself but y’all’s commentary sends me
"Marine-grade polymer" is Coleen Hoover's galvanized steel square
this is one of the better colleen hoover books for sure but one thing i didn't like about this was how lily lets her daughter be around ryle who was literally emotionally and physically abusive towards her and could do the same to her daughter. even though she's not living with him but the fact that she spends a fair amout of time with him alone is enough to give her trauma for her life (just like lily) and that angers me because the whole moral of this book is to end generational trauma but i don't think it ends with them tbvh
TIL that even in a trashy romance novel about domestic violence I will still tear up when the victim asks for help to escape their abusive partner 😭 great job on the video and simultaneously dragging the book while identifying what works.
YAAAAAYYYY IM SO HAPPY THERES ANOTHER ONE!!! I was so so worried you guys would never come back! Ive been rewatching the previous 4 videos every 3 months when the book fixation comes back around. Thank you guys so much❤❤❤
I think the biggest problem with this book was the fact that it was marketed as a romance. It should be literary or women’s fiction. That’s the point of the book. Not romance.
I have such a love/hate relationship with it because it was one of the books that got me back into reading but a lot about it pisses me off now.
omg you guys should so read icebreaker😭😭😭😭😭
ok but ur literally glowinggggg
After being depressed all summer this was exaclty what I needed. You guys are so funny and I like that you admit to liking parts off the book.
I’m literally shaking in my boots from excitement. These videos are EVERYTHING and I’m addicted.
I WAS SO EXCITED FOR YOU WHEN TRISH AND OSCAR MENTIONED YOU!! Once Trish mentioned the Chappell roan video I got so happy. I just wish they said your name 😢
Which episode did they mention her??? Im not caught up with all the episodes but im so excited for nikki
OH IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE‼️
i never read or even seen an excerpt of this book before, and i assumed it would be a semi well written book with the issues coming from the mishandling of the DV. while it definitely mishandles the DV, the writing is HORRIBLE too. like so cringeworthy i can’t believe this book is so highly rated
Mispronouncing Kincaid and then saying that it's a stupid name is so funny lmao
11:52 the fact I took a blinker before watching this !!
literally
just further proof that Ms Hoover is in the wrong genre 😭 the day she writes a real horror book (with the no romance!!!! ma’am!!!) is the day I will be seated
31:50 « with a twink » 😭😭
After watching this video like 10 times since its publication, I just realized how Ryle read all of her journals and only cared about Atlas’ impact on Lily’s life but not the various pages and sentences about her abusive dad and abusive childhood. He didn’t even get affected by that and reflect on it. I hope he did in the book since Ik Nicole and Jake only read certain parts but wow, what an asshole of Ryle to read EVERY single sad detail about her traumatic childhood and he decides to focus on how much Atlas meant to Lily.
You’re right! I didn’t even stop to process that until I read this comment. It already went without saying but he’s an awful person (even as a fictional character but still).
i was WAITING for y'all to do this book for like a month omg
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR TBIS
This is the best, opening UA-cam and seeing a new Colleen Hoover read of you two. My favourite series❤
I'm glad you put the pictures of texts in the video!!!
thank you for doing this book!! my mom (victim of domestic abuse) read this book recently and it was cool to understand the plot without having to read it so i can talk to her about it, it was a lovely bonding moment
love this videos so much
I hope you’re both doing okay ❤
How she never fails to make you uncomfortable with her writing, it’s like every sentence is a goddamn innuendo
PLEASE BRING THESE BACK I LOVE THIS VIDEOS MORE THAN MYSELF
I actually screamed when I saw the trailer for the movie I was horrified
I just want you to know that I’ve watched and rewatched each of your book readings many times. I can’t believe I have colleen hoover memorized now. I’ve never been into audiobooks but you guys just take it to another level and I’d love for y’all to read anything and everything.
Oh I have never clicked on a video so fast
literally so real
I have been WAITINGG for this series to start back up again literally my all time favorite UA-cam videos to watch ever so thank you for blessing us🙏🏻🙏🏻
You have no idea how long i was waiting for this one omg
nicole why are u literally glowing. beautiful freak
This physical dominance of Riley even before the violent physical abuse starts is making me very uncomfortable. Why is he just showing up at her apartment unannounced and then slaps his palms against the door on the sides of her head? How terrifying! Why is he just dragging her out of this party in front of everyone against her will? And why the hell is Colleen Hoover following this up with sexual stuff? You could have included this to show that he is a walking Red Flag but if you follow all of this up with sex it is weirdly romanticizing it and pretending that this is somehow sexy although it is actually terrifying. It is dangerous to write it in this way because while in real life you will still experience this as terrifying if it happened to you, you might not realise in how much danger someone is that is telling you about their experience anymore after reading scenes like this repeatedly.