The Shockingly Reasonable Cost of Living in Portugal in 2024
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- Опубліковано 22 бер 2024
- Josh and Kalie from ExpatsEverywhere share with you their cost of living for life in Porto, Portugal. They log everything they spend for 30 days so that you can get a realistic budget for Portugal. Can they beat inflation? What are they spending their money on? Join them on this 30 day journey!
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I live in Nazare.. on Tuesday a local farmer brings her vegetables and fruit to our street 5-6 euros buys romaine lettuce, 4 tomatoes, 2 bulbs of garlic, 4 onions, 7kg potatoes, 2-3 sweet potatoes, large cauliflower, seasonal fruit, 10 large carrots...if I need anything during the week the municipal market is perfect...
Awesome! Thanks for sharing, Kris. 7 kg of potatoes is a heap. 😊 - Josh & Kalie
Hey! I really like you guys a lot! I’ve been following you for over a year and I’m moving to Portugal in September. I am a licensed clinical psychotherapy, and I hope to bring warm, warm, supportive counseling to the community in Portugal. All expats!❤
Thanks for watching! We hope that you have a smooth move. Keep us posted. - Josh & KAlie
Hi Josh and Kalie! I watched many of your videos before moving to Porto. I came from Brazil, so while some US-specific advice wasn't applicable, most of the content was a big help! I've lived here with my wife and two dogs for almost two years, and we were in the Porto vs. Arsenal game, too! I think we might even live somewhat nearby, as I've seen Kalie with Valencia a few times on the street we live on.
So, first of all, thanks for all the help! But I also wanted to leave this message because, after a while of not watching your videos, I decided to "catch up" a little bit, and I was wondering about Pincho, who was always so friendly and cute in the videos. My two dogs are getting old (14 and 16), and the older one is having a lot of health issues, so this subject makes me extra sad nowadays! I'm genuinely sorry for your loss. It's always hard, and we never really "move on," we move forward with the pain but also with the good memories that are irreplaceable and more than worth it. I'm sure you have many of these.
On another note, it was great seeing how much Valencia has grown and how good she is with Portuguese already!
Here's to good memories, friends, family (human and "fur"!), and community! Fiquem bem.
Thank you for sharing a month in your family’s life. Wonderful to see all the practical stuff too. And your little girl is the cutest!
You are so welcome! We're glad you like it and find it practical. Thank you. We caught some sweet moments. with her in this one. - Josh & Kalie
Great video!!! Traveling to Portugal for the first time in November! Your family is awesome
Thank you very much! Have an awesome time. We hope the weather is great for you. - Josh & Kalie
Me too, safe travels!
I am here drooling with all the restaurant takes. Thanks for doing that, guys!
Glad you enjoyed it! 😊 Oh the restaurants. - Josh & Kalie
Love this, you are both so helpful. Such great insight! 🙏🏼
Thanks for the love, Johnny. We appreciate it. How are things going with you? - Josh & Kalie
Awww I am sorry for your loss, I could feel the pain 😢
Thank you for sharing your experiences, absolutely beautiful family 🥰
Thank you. We miss him.
We appreciate it. - Josh & Kalie
So sorry for the loss of your sweet Pincho ❤
Thank you, Miranda. We've been missing him a lot lately. - Josh & Kalie
Great videos. Love your content!
Thanks for the love! - Josh & Kalie
Thanks for another great video. I remember about two years ago when Lisa and I first got the wild idea that we might want to retire early and move to Portugal, we watched your 2021 "every penny tracked" video (or whatever it was called) and it was a huge boost to us. We knew then that we would, in fact, actually be able to make it work financially with what we had saved. That's when we put our plans into high gear. And here we are 12 1/2 months in to our new life in Portugal and it has been just as you show in your videos. The real deal.
What a great year it's been here in Matosinhos (sorry we missed the meetup, but it was great to see our neighborhood make a cameo in the video). Sick of the rain, though (last Spring was dry by comparison). Our Bolt budget has expanded as well as a result, lol.
Thank you, Eric. We love reading stuff like this. We really appreciate it.
I (Josh) just spoke with a farmer today and he said it's been the worse winter here that he's experience since moving to Portugal in 2016. It's not been cold but my goodness, it's been wet.
I'm over it. LOL
We hope to see you on April 25th at the meetup. Congrats on your year here. - Josh & Kalie
These are so helpful. Thank you!
Glad you like them! Thanks for the feedback. - Josh & Kalie
I love watching these cost of living videos. I feel like it gives us a better sense of what you're up to in your day-to-day. Really sorry about Pincho. Loved that little guy.
Hey Sam, thanks for the love. We hope these videos are a way we can stay connected with you despite being far away. Thank you for your words about Pincho. We loved our fur baby too. Let's connect soon. - Josh & Kalie
Great video, thank you for sharing!
Thank you. Thanks for watching and commenting. - Josh & Kalie
I love your channel, thank you so much for all of the work you put into it. I have never commented, but I just saw the last bit and I'm so sorry for the loss of your dog. Dogs are so special. We are planning on moving out of the US, but frankly our large 80 pound rescue pups have us on pause. They are older and want them to have an awesome life. We have time to travel on once they pass. Have a list of places to explore from your videos when I'm in Porto next month!
Thanks for the love and recognizing how much work goes into these videos. Thank you for the comment. We really appreciate it. It was certainly hard and emotional but we're good. Each day gets better. We knew he wasn't in great health for the past 6 months despite his vet visits going well. It's been a lot easier to travel since he's passed. We can pack whenever we want without worrying about giving him anxiety and we don't have to exhaust our list of house sitters.
Have a great time exploring Porto! - Josh & Kalie
I’m sorry to hear about your fur baby. Sending you hugs 🤗
Thank you. 🙏 - Josh & Kalie
We found that Bagel place last fall and would second a recommendation for them. Thanks again for an informative video. It really does help to be somewhere for a while so you can find those local places that are less expensive. Blessings to you all.
Thanks for the blessings, Bob. Same to you too. Maybe we'll see you around at Cafe Passaporte. - Josh & Kalie
Gosh Cia is getting so big and I love watching her grow up. Thanks for sharing. So sorry about your sweet puppy. It is always so had to lose a beloved pet. I always enjoy all your input thanks again.
Thank you so much! Yes, it's not been easy but we're good. Thanks for watching and commenting. - Josh & Kalie
Great video... I think back to your videos before you moved to Portugal and how little Cia was... now look at her. I am so sorry about Pincho. It's always heart-breaking to loose our fur babies. Big Hugs xo
Hey Jen, thank you! Hugs back. It was hard but we're doing pretty well now. Each day gets better of course. Cia's wanting to be involved more in saying stuff to the camera. It's pretty funny. - Josh & Kalie
Great video guys!!! Miss you! 😢
We miss you too, Rebecca! Come baaaaack. - Josh & Kalie
sorry to hear about Pincho. meanwhile, this is the first time i see someone in the world saying their rent decreased from the former year, it is unbelieveable especially in portugal where evreyone is complaining about it.
Thank for the message.
We have a really good rapport with our landlord so they offered it to us. - Josh & Kalie
Awesome video. 2 weeks ago i was gonna message asking for this. Lol. So perfect timing.
Thanks! Thanks for being patient. 😅 We start the 30 days the same time each year but the editing and production schedule varies. We got this on out a little earlier than we thought. 😁 - Josh & Kalie
I am sorry to hear about Pincho. I could see the emotions you both were holding back. It is so difficult to lose our fur babies. Appreciate all the effort you made in tracking your daily spending and compiling it for this video. It is very enlightening. ❤
Thank you so much! Yea, I noticed that during the edit. It's still a bit fresh. You know? Thank you for recognizing the effort we put into these videos. The tracking and filming and compiling is a beast. I'm happy to now be able to delete al the footage from my phone. 🤣 I have it backed up on a hard drive but it's been hanging out on my phone too and that's rough. - Josh
Really great info! I love Google maps as well, but the lists is a new 🤯 function that I did not know about!
Thank you. - Josh & Kalie
Really fun to see your daily activities!
Glad you enjoy it! - Josh & Kalie
So sorry to hear about Pincho. Wonderful and thorough job with the video as usual. I saw your Povoa de Varzim video where you spoke about your 'vibe' of that area. I was wondering if you have spent any time in Vila do Conde and what 'vibe' you got there. 😊
Thank you and thank you.
We're preparing a video for Vila do Conde. We're going to try to release it in conjunction with another piece of content that we're going to do in Vila do Conde so it'll be a month or so before we can do that. - Josh & Kalie
I love Alheiras too! Two Christmases ago I had made them with my family while I was there. A lot of work but so worth it! Also, sorry about your loss.
Thank you, Carlos. We appreciate your words. - Josh & Kalie
Cia is adorable. I really found this video helpful. I keep reading and hearing that Porto is so unaffordable now. I think that would be the rent there, because I hear that it is hard to find a place to live. Many places there now are Air B and B's.I am sorry to hear about the loss of you dog. That is always really hard. Big abrazos from Colorado.
Thank you. 😊 Yes, the rents are quite high and the most variable thing in our opinion that people moving now would need to consider for their own budget projections. Thanks for the hug 🤗 We send our love back. - Josh & Kalie
As a Portuguese person thinking of returning home I found this video helpful. Also nice to see a couple that keeps track of their expenses so closely! Neat!
A Spanish town name is interesting as a daughter’s name.
Thank you very much! Come home!! 😊 Our daughter is named after Valencia because we used to live in Madrid when we were dating. Once time we traveled with friends to Valencia and it was where I (Josh) first told Kalie, "I love you." So it's a sentimental name and place for us. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere 🥰 That is a sweet story! Thanks for sharing…
Great content
Thank you. - Josh & Kalie
OMG! Your daughter speaking portuguese at the cafe, sooooo darn cute❤
Thank you very much. Her Portuguese is getting clearer and clearer. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks!
Thank you so much for the channel support! We really appreciate it. - Josh & Kalie
Super helpful. Love it! Have to make a little comment on the walking in the rain though. Haha. That sounds so funny to a Norwegian- where the motto is there is no such things as bad weather only bad clothing. 😂🤪🤓
We're glad it was helpful! Thanks for the love. - Josh & Kalie
When I visited Lisbon I went to the municipal market(s). The variety was amazing and outside of it there was a farmers market with less expensive produce. I planned meals based on what was available for that day. Besides the produce there was vendors for fish, cheese, meat, eggs, chicken and duck, flowers and a couple of restaurants. The catch is you have to come early in the morning to get what you need by noon. The earlier the
better. I could also sharpen my Portuguese speaking skills. I think it was only 5-6 blocks away in Cascais. It was an easy switch to change to the European/Portuguese mode of living. If you get a chance, please do show the markets around Porto. Thank you
Thanks for watching. We'll try to figure out a good way to highlight some markets. - Josh & Kalie
Great Video, Nice Job , spend less, save more
Hi Josh & Kalie, I love seeing your informative COL videos! It highlights the fact that living in PT really offers good value for money despite inflation. You sure have the most gracious landlord and a sweet deal on rent. Is there a preference for Uber over Bolt (which seems to be the more reasonable option)? Lastly I was wondering about the littlest member of your family and I’m truly sorry about Pintxo’s departure 😢. As always, thank you for delivering great and reliable content.
Hi Georg, thanks for the love. ❤️ We tend to have promotions on Uber and their prices seem to be less dynamic than Bolt. Bolt might have lower starting prices when conditions are normal but when rain hits or something, they're quick to raise their rates. Pincho hadn't been moving well for about 6-12 months so there wasn't much to film of him. Thanks again for the message. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Duh 🙄 I didn’t think about promotions on rideshares.
Thanks for writing back!
@@georgd3013 You're welcome. We're always getting promos! - Josh
We had to say goodbye to our dog in January . I completely feel your loss
And we feel for you, Jason. Much love to you! Heal quickly and be well. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks for the video! 2 questions, what do you use to quickly get Cia in and out of Ubers, like what kind of car seat?
2. Is she wearing a beanie after her swim session, or is that a comfy looking swim cap?? My 5 year old has long hair but doesn’t like the swim cap so trying to find something else lol.
As a family of 3, we spend 6400 a month in a med sized town in the US SE (tho it is a tourist town) and it’s unsustainable!
We have a booster seat, but most Ubers have them and you can book a car that has it. That's a swim cap. Most indoor pools from our experience require it. With the same budget here, you could do so much! All the best. Thanks for the comment. - Josh & Kalie
Cia is talking now!!! ❤
I think it's a couple of years ago that we met you guys in Porto!
Hi Sonia! She is. She's definitely grown since the last time we saw you all. - Josh & Kalie
€15 for MD visit is amazing. Great video!
Yes! Thank you! - Josh & Kalie
Another great video. And a super cute little girl!
Thank you so much! She had some fun moments in this video. - Josh & Kalie
i was in Portugal last week march 4 to the 18, i have a blast, it was fun, i staying in Aveiro drove to Lisbon visiting family, them visit Lamego, is a beautiful little city, and visit downtown porto, i am thinking buying a home in Pardillo Aveiro .
Nice! It really sounds like you had a great trip. - Josh & Kalie
Would love to hear about your potential plans after 10 years! Yes, a long ways away, but still would be interesting. Are you guys planning on becoming Port. citizens and perhaps living elsewhere in Europe, etc.?
We're definitely planning on apply for citizenship. We've not made plans for after 10 years. It's too far out for us. - Josh & Kalie
There is no price when it comes to quality of life. 2 👍👍 up! Greetings from Orlando FL.
Well said. :-) Thanks for the message. - Josh & Kalie
Fun video. For me, it was more interesting seeing your day-to-day than your expenses per se. Downside is that you induced a bout of FOMO in me….
Thank you. One of the reasons we decided to take this production approach was to be able to show a sample of a lifestyle. The month was rather full of interesting things and some cross-cultural stuff as well. - Josh & Kalie
I think these are good people, why? Well because they are both wearing Arsenal shirts - freeze frame at 1 min 59 secs and 2 min 9 secs. They def. have good taste.
I immediately noticed the dogs coulum empty 😢 sorry for your lose guys.
Since rent is the major expense, can you perhaps make a video of the best locations relative to best price? Thanks!
Thank you.
I'm not sure that we could make a really valuable video on this topic because of how quickly markets/neighborhoods can change in terms of price, availability, demand. We've done neighborhood guides for both Porto and Lisbon, which highlight the most popular neighborhoods for foreigners to live. It would be really tricky to do a video specifically on the rental markets. - Josh & Kalie
Sorry about your Yorkie. Lost my sheltie too- I still cry.
Cia's Portuguese sounds better than mine. 😅
😁 It's getting clearer and clear month by month. - Josh & Kalie
I am glad it’s working out, don’t know whether you know there is a big event happening her in Portugal in June ROCK IN RIO expensive but you may enjoy it, wish you well
Hi @jaimecosta2966, do you know what the exact date is that will happen?! Plan to be in Portugal at the end of May throughout the middle of June, and I want to avoid the crowd!thanks!😅
We like live music but we're not massive fans so we probably won't go. Thanks for writing. - Josh & Kalie
tickets.rockinriolisboa.pt/event/rock-in-rio-lisboa-2024/parque-tejo/2798220 June 15, 16 and 22, 23. - Josh & Kalie
700 euros to live in Porto? That's an excellent rent! It's really hard to find a T1 with this price...
3.000 euros per month is a good average to live in Pontugal.
This place was contracted back in 2021 so that can help explain the price. At the time maybe it was a little on the high end. We're happy though. - Josh & Kalie
HELLO. I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING YOU FOR A LONG TIME. WE ARE NEIGHBORS, I'M FROM MATOSINHOS. THEY ARE THE TRUE AMBASSADORS OF MY COUNTRY! THANKS
That is awesome! Thanks for the love. - Josh & Kalie
when you have food delivered...do you tip and how much generally do you give?
We don't tip for deliveries. It's not common here to do that. - Josh & Kalie
Awesome video! Thank you for sharing! I’m just wondering how much you pay the babysitter because I am a former teacher looking for potential jobs working with children in Portugal . Thanks!
Thank you. You're welcome. The "babysitter" was a friend's daughter, not a professional. - Josh & Kalie
Who watched your dog(sorry about your loss) when you guys would go out of town. Did you take him somewhere or did someone come to the house? Thanks.
For the past two years, we had an American friend in our building watch him. Pincho would go to their apartment. (Thank you) - Josh & Kalie
€2 for a coffee and pastry!? Damnnn that’s minimum $7-8 in Toronto!
Yea! It's pretty crazy. To be fair, the coffee at a basic cafe isn't great. We prefer going to specialty coffee places like SO Coffee Roasters, that we showed in the video but when we travel to different towns especially when they don't have specialty coffee, we easily get regular coffees here. - Josh & Kalie
Ah true makes sense. Even a baseline americano is about $3.50-4.25 here. Thanks for amazing content. Just joined the podcast!
@@ribl1000 Shew, that's at least a euro higher than what you'll pay for an americano at a specialty coffee place. Thanks for joining the podcast! It's growing, which gives us more energy to keep pouring into it. - Josh
If one is type 2 diabetic, do aspects of the Portuguese lend itself to low glycemic carbohydrate diet? Can you buy "keto" type breads made from coconut or almond flour? Are stevia and monk fruit sweeteners available at reasonable prices?
Not 100% sure but can say that one should say away from traditional bakeries. In the cities, there are enough specialty bakeries that you should be okay. I see stevia in stores but never paid attention the price. I can't imagine it's too much. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Ok...even that a out Stevia being available there Is helpful. I am living in Colombia, and I can find it only one chaín store, D1, at reasonable prices. Even I ask the attendants in other stores. They look at me and ask if I want sugar. They can not seem to distinguish between alternative sweeteners and cane sugars.
@@davidmanix3592 Check out Amazon Spain as well. You might be able to order exactly what you need and price stuff out. www.amazon.es/s?k=stevia&crid=1HUNP3MCP4HAV&sprefix=stevia%2Caps%2C98&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_6
@@ExpatsEverywhere Oh! Good idea. Thank you for that idea.
@@davidmanix3592 You're welcome.
Hi guys, can you recommend any nice restaurants in Povoa de Varzim? Thank you
Marinheiro that we featured in our Póvoa de Varzim city guide from a few weeks back is really good. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Thank you very much guys, I really appreciate the quick response. Would you mind pointing out any other good ones in areas around Matosinhos, Vilanova De Gaia and maybe also in the little town of Viana? Thanks again, George
@@zafira976 Hi George, we have videos on all of those places. You just have to search our channel to find city guides. - Josh
@@ExpatsEverywhere Ok Josh, thank you very much. I'll have a look through your channel and hopefully I'll find some stuff. All the best, George
@@zafira976 We're confident you will. Thank you for watching. - Josh
Great video, great content! If it's in God's plan for us, we intend on moving to Portugal in the next two years. Your channel has the best info for someone looking to move to Portugal.
Thank you very much! We appreciate that recognition. That means a lot. - Josh & Kalie
Raining almost every day, like Vancouver Canada🤣
:-) This time of year and this winter especially has been rainy. - Josh & Kalie
when is walking in the rain a real problem
When you have a stroller and kid that can get super wet just before school. - Josh
On the north it rains more than on the south and you would have saved money if it weren't for the games
You mean, saved more money? We definitely saved money this year compared to last. - Josh & Kalie
Rest in peace, Pincho 😢
Do you all not pay out of pocket for Cia’s preschool?
Thank you, Francis.
We do pay monthly for Cia's school by bank transfer. €365/month, which was accounted in our final figure. - Josh & Kalie
And to lower more your you need to go for what we call the "white" brands. The quality is the same
Yea, our goal wasn't necessarily to be lower. We're currently doing a video on living on minimum wage for 30 days and you better believe that we're shopping white label. That's what we call it. Thanks for the comment, Carlos! We appreciate it. - Josh & Kalie
Your rent is crazy low from Lisbon perspective!
It's low for a "current market rate" perspective in Porto too. We contracted this place in 2021 and have developed an amazing relationship with our landlord. - Josh & Kalie
Was just 1 kg of coffee beans and two coffees really 65 euros?
Yes, the coffees are around €3 each but the kilo of coffee which is like 4 standard bags is the bulk of the price. Think of it like paying €15 per bag of specialty coffee, which is a pretty common price nowadays. Again, this isn't commercial coffee like Maxwell House, Folgers, Sical, Delta...this is single origin, farm sourced coffee. www.soroasters.com/ - Josh
@@ExpatsEverywhere Thanks Josh! I'm in Seattle now and used to paying a premium for great small-batch beans, I was just surprised at the cost there. Coffee is definitely getting pricier everywhere. My favorite roaster here is up to about $75/kilo for single origin!
You're welcome. @@BrianHutchison I see. I believe that SO has a couple at that price point and every now and then they get something really, really special in and it costs more but in general it seems to be the €45-65 range. We're used to paying for the 250 gram bags but have recently gotten into just buying 1 kg a month and buying at that volume gives us a little discount, you know? - Josh
Hi dear, tell that Dave guy to stop bashing Portugal in his video's.
I recently moved to Lisbon. Can anyone point me to an expat community there?
I hope someone responds to you, Albert. - Josh & Kalie
Beers are 8.50?! Heaven forbid!!🙄
Yes, it was 2 pints of imported beer vs paying maybe €2.50-3.50/each for the same volume for a Super Bock. It was also at Bolhão Market, which is a little more upmarket these days. - Josh & Kalie
That kid gets a lot of sweets! She is a cutie.
Maybe, idk. We don't keep any sweets in the house so it could be why it makes its way into the videos because it's stuff that we're buying while out. You know?
Thank you. - Josh & Kalie
Have you found a good Christian church there? That is how we decide where to live, according to the quality of the church.
Yes, we have. When we first arrived, Covid had stopped services and there were few but over the past couple of years, the scene has started to change. The one in greater Porto is actually in Gaia off the metro line and then there's a service in Braga and Guimarães that's a part of the same church. - Josh & Kalie
Second..? :)
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First!
It's a shame these folks never or hardly ever answer any of the comments we take the time to post.🤔
Subscribed ~ now Unsubscribed.🤷
Hi Lacy, we're very sorry to hear that we never or hardly ever answer any of the comments that you take time to post.
A couple of things are at play that I'd like to share. The first is that when we post on a Saturday, we are usually out and about living life offline with our daughter. We try our best either on Saturday evening (like right now) or Monday to get to the questions that came in over the weekend. After 48 hours or so, we're on to the next video and trying our best to prepare that one and depending on the nature of the comment and if we see it, we'll respond.
Being 100%, I've not seen your screen name before although just recently UA-cam changed how they're displaying names to creators vs the public view so I'm not sure I've ever gotten a comment from you before.
I hope you have a good weekend. - Josh
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@@lacyoflittlerobincottage1403 okay. - Josh
Just think about how much cia bills would be like back home for what she gets in Portugal it's mind blowing
Yea, we're not sure what it would look like back in the States, but our life and family dynamic is quite different here compared to there. We're glad to have the preschool where she can socialize and learn Portuguese. - Josh & Kalie
Does her monthly costs on there include preschool? If so, that’s also a huge savings over US!
@@esg9758 i think my sister's daughter preschool eleven year's ago was thirty thousand per year
@@esg9758 Yes, we dropped it there at the end. It's €365 per month. - Josh & Kalie
Awesome! Thanks! And for the record, y’all are always on top of the comment section, but no one can get them all and get anything else done 😂
Your rent is only 700? Wow!
Yes, summer of 2021 was a different time. Actually, at that time, it was a bit higher than it was when we moved in October of 2020. But many, many people have rents locked in at lower rates than €700. - Josh & Kalie