Bortkiewicz - Piano Concerto No 3
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2013
- Stefan Doniga, piano - Janáček Philharmonic Orchestra, David Porcelijn conductor
1. Grave 00:09
2. Cadenza 4:29
3. Andante 6:21
4. Lento, Maestoso, Solenne 17:19
5. Moderato 23:15
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Bortkiewicz, one of my favorite composers. An underrated composer with exceptional melodic harmony. Someday I will play his works to keep his flame and spirit alive.
Wunderschön!
Loved listening to this concerto for the first time! It is like finding a thousand dollar bill in your wallet that you did know you had!
Thanks for uploading!
Just discovered this, on first listening, I'm only 10 minutes through and I absolutely love it already. It's giving me chills..... wonderful!
Great composer and he is truly a pianists' composer. All of his concertos are expert and written with lots of feeling.
In some ways he is up there with Anton Rubenstein who wrote great piano music and excellent piano concertos and has never had his day.
It is obvious that Bortkiewicz was a fantastic pianist because his piano concertos are so pianistic.
While he is definitely a late romantic composer, I hear a hint of Scriabin in his yearning and orchestration. Thank you for a new one!
I love this piece. Those darned musicologists and their originality question. Just enjoy the piece of music for whats its sole purpose is for, to be listened.
I'm conectecd completely with this individual perception !
I agree although its hard to agree with anybody with an anime profile picture
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Romantic music, if anything, is one of the most individual music genres. True, there are several even more unique genres such as postmodernist classical music, certain types of progressive rock, the more artistic electronic stuff and free jazz, but these are pretty marginal.
Personally I find serialism and dodecaphony so boring precisely because the 12 tone rows are so equal, nonvariating and predictable. Besides there's no point in changing dynamics and intonation every second, contrasting sections are more interesting and a dramatic arch to the piece. It is much harder to craft convincingly. The difference between the genres is like dadaism (for serialism), long book with a dramatic arc (classical music) and a short articles and poems (pop music)
Pieces in the baroque and classical period is too similar to each other for me. Renaissance has its patterns too but it's not quite as annoying due to polyphony and four-part harmony. For pop music I think 80s was the golden era, with beautiful melodies and unique instruments that were both acoustic and eletronic.
I'm 9 minutes in and already dazzled by the musicality and dexterity of piano writing. This composition is in that odd space of being Romantic as well as cinematographic in feeling.
Smetana, too, not to mention Gershwin and Copland. The music has the schmaltz of immediate nostalgia, like a raga. Bortkiewicz was a genius to get all these in.
A great concerto. Even though I love his #2 the best, this is an exquisite composition that is up there with Saint Saens, Tchaikovsky, Brahms, Beethoven, Liszt, Rubinstein, and all the greatest composers. I hope a major symphony performs this again soon with a great pianist like Yuja Wang performing.
아름다운 연주곡 잘 들었습니다~감사합니다~🎵🎹🎻🌿🍀☘🌹🌹☘🍀🌿❤❤
This is truly one of the most beautiful piano concertos ever written; as good as his first, and better than his second. Thanks for posting!
Therefore his second must be his worst.
Yeah definitely. The second gets really unimaginative during the 3rd movement.
26:33 wow that horn line is gorgeous
Antes, nunca le había puesto la debia atención a esa parte de la melodía, desde que vi tu comentario, ese detalle de los vientos me parece uno de los ftagmentos más hermosos de éste concierto! Sin duda bellisimo!
I hear some wonderful Wagnerian passages at about 10.00. Its like a magnificent borscht composed of Wagner and Rachmaninoff as ingredients, with maybe a bit of Grieg here and there... But the cooking is all his own!
I am delighted with this concert. It's the first time I listen to it. It is absolutely romantic!! , though the composer belongs more to a post or late -romanticism, he lived from 1877 to 1952.. But he sounds very Russian.. Thank you.
Bravo Maestro! Wow with the ending, the sounds, the music, the bells that are playing, etc... Its something for a Fairy Tale, amazing.
Wow! I'm impressed! Yes, Bortkiewicz wasn't the most original of composers, but in this concerto, he makes the most of his influences and adds his own personality, and without needful apology produces a distinguished work. It's bright and fresh, employing what I think is a unique formal design which effectively builds interest and momentum, through its' 'grave' opening measures, the eventful 'andante', the beautiful 'solenne', and its' clever transition into the powerful finale. He certainly knew how to create sustained drama and flow in his music. I haven't been too positive about his Second Symphony or "Cello Concerto, maybe due to inadequate sonics or performance, but here his music finally comes to life. It may not be a masterpiece, but I'm sure it would be greeted warmly and appreciatively by any concert audience today.
Cette musique est enthousiasmante.... Richesse du discours mélodique, harmonies à couper le souffle, orchestration sans cesse renouvelée dans l’utilisation des timbres des instruments. En onze mots comme en cent, une babylonienne architecture sonore érigée par d’humbles et impétueux compositeurs-interprètes¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This fantastic work has tangent planes with contemporary Sergei Rachmaninoff. It's very important that you placed it, thanks for that!
A fantastic piece in excellent production - I can't tire of listening to it. Deserves all accolades still reserved for the "great" composers, but this and his other concertos are as "great" as any other.
I'm starting to learn that I should never judge a composition by the video's comments.
very wise:-)!
No...Not WISE at all....Why form even an Opinion (much less a Judgment) on such Comments? Pathetic
@@steveegallo3384 Pete was agreeing with Jeremy that it was very wise to NOT judge a composition by the comments!.Christ-all-fucken-mighty already!!A lot of people believe what they read in the comments section is a good indication of how much they'll enjoy a piece,and it's often not the case-which takes a little time to realise.That's all poor ol' Jeremy was saying.And what the hell is the difference between an "opinion" and a "judgement"??(At least you got the last word right.).
@@darrylschultz9311 -- I respect your role as peacemaker-arbiter. But speaking just for yourself for a minute, would YOU rely upon somebody else's comment to decide whether or not you LIKE something? Some very intelligent Comments/Opinions are INTERESETING, sure....but do YOU think they indicate if YOU'll LIKE a piece of music? Or a restaurant? Or a mutual lady friend?
@@steveegallo3384 I've noticed some people really dislike the "MUST HEAR" that's occasionally added to music videos.But not always but usually after I've listened to those pieces,I've agreed they're pieces deserving of that "MUST HEAR" addition. So I never think of it(like some possibly overly-competitive people do)as someone on an ego-trip,but see it as a somewhat useful guide to what l'm more likely to find enjoyable.And when there's stacks of positive comments(as there is for a current pop song I checked out yesterday called "Nothing Breaks Like A Heart"),it results in me making a good discovery I wouldn't otherwise have made.Of course everyone's taste is different,so that ain't a perfect guide-but there are some things that are rated highly by so many that it's very likely to be a winner to me as well.I don't go by just seeing a positive comment(coz even the worst stuff will have 1 or 2 people in the world who think it's great)-it's seeing there's a YUUGE amount of praise for it that influences me. Cheers.
Je ne peux m'empêcher d'imaginer des scènes ou des situations quand j'écoute de la musique.
Lors du premier mouvement, je ressens de l'oppression, de la précipitation, une sorte de désillusion de la vie et de notre société.
Dans "cadenza", le souvenir du temps passé, c'était mieux avant ? Oui ... Non ....
Dans "andante", un apaisement puis une prise de conscience du mal que nous subissons ou que nous avons subi ou fait subir, l'ébauche du thème final, de la reconstruction.
Ensuite, que de l'optimisme, presque de l'ivresse, une joie enfantine, l'émotion intense du retour au bonheur, le final, une marche vers la lumière.
De toute évidence, cette oeuvre est magnifique, très expressive, les frissons montent sur moi, les larmes brouillent ma vue.
I enjoy this, and appreciate that Bortkiewicz never fell into the black hole of dodecaphonic music and serialism. Thank god.
Totally.
Thanks . I knew I didn't like that kind of Black Hole but I didn't know what is was called. Why anyone would willingly go there is beyond my feeble ears. ua-cam.com/video/jn7Ud_8-xk8/v-deo.html
Quite true....and I too thank my Blessèd Lord that I have no idea what you're talking about. I imagine that conversing with you would be...like Time Stopped...and that I'd SO want to Die! Hell must be just having to spend 5 minutes with a soulless self-effulgent nitpicking pedant....but I digress!
Ah yes, that black hole of serialism. Just like that black hole of baroque. Goshdarnd it, the maid used the wrong butter again!
Bruh can't I just enjoy late romanticism and the Second Viennese school equally?
beautiful music! What an extraordinary life, so full of suffering and success! Would make a great film!
This is GLORIOUS! What a discovery - and as far as I can see, unavailable on CD. Thank you!
GREAT PERFORMANCE ON THIS GREAT COMPOSITION 💖☺🎵💖
2:51...😭😭😭😍😍😍
Am I the only one who feels a strong influence of Liszt’s “Les Preludes” and Piano concerto in Eb?
A masterpiece indeed.
Yes. I am also reminded of the Faust Symphony
Fabulous composer!!
Yes, it really is a beautiful concerto, thanks.
Magnificent work.
More amazing piano concerto like this!
Thanks, it's incredible!!!!
incredible, awesome
Very nice concerto!!!
the orchestra upstages the piano heavily, but its amazingly beautiful, Reminds me so much of a mix between atterberg and Debussy even
Quite nice .Not as old fashioned as some of Rach sounds today but still as old sounding as Moskowsky and et.al. but esy to enjoy .Now on to Carl Vine's fabulous concerti. Martinu was so great but I can't find anything in his 5 piano concerto.The best music doesn't always come to us immeditely esp. personal music . Bortkiewicz is personal too like 1911 personal . I bet Ravel and Symaknowsky squirmed wneh they saw these scores . Hehe.
awesome
Bortkiewicz's profile, everytime I look at it, reminds me so much of the late famous actor Alan Rickman (Prof Snape of Harry Potter).
two geniuses !!
Θεσπέσιο κοντσέρτο. Δεν χορταίνω να το ακούω. Στο τέλος νοιώθω μια φοβερή συγκίνηση !
C'est de la belle musique, peu import si elle est à la mode ou pas.
Étant bercée dans la musique classique depuis ma petite enfance, je croyais connaître beaucoup de compositeurs et leurs œuvres. Mais grâce à Internet, j’ai pris connaissance de tous ces Génies injustement méconnus ou oubliés qui m’émerveillent et me rendent triste à la fois, car ils étaient éclipsés par la modernité de notre époque. La musique dodécaphonique apparue vers 1920, est une technique de composition musicale inventée par Arnold Schönberg. Elle consiste à utiliser les 12 notes de la gamme chromatique pour composer une série dodécaphonique qui est conçue comme une succession permettant de faire entendre chacun des douze sons, mais sans qu'aucun ne soit répété. L'ordre ainsi établi forme une série immuable d’intervalles, qui soutient tout le développement de l'œuvre. Ce principe, artificiel supprime toute hiérarchie dans les hauteurs, ainsi, il va contre les principes de l'harmonie tonale, et crée une atonalité. Il y a quatre formes structurelles : droite, rétrograde, de renversement, forme miroir de rétrograde, multipliées par 12 degrés de la gamme chromatique = 48 séries utilisables.
Je ne sais pas ce que vous en pensez, mais il me semble que ce système limite toute créativité qui a besoin d’indépendance pour donner libre cours à l’imagination musicale dans l’expression d’une gamme étendue d’émotions et de beauté ce qui doit être le but suprême de tout art. Dans le domaine des arts visuels, nous subissons la même limitation de la création qui pourtant était la référence de l’art. L’harmonie de la beauté est une nécessité naturelle humaine. C’est mon point de vue que, heureusement, je partage avec beaucoup de monde.
+Antoinette Mad-Jarova
Je réagis exactement comme vous. Quelles sublimes oeuvres restent dans l'ombre, qui sont pourtant tellement enrichissantes. Ce concerto est fabuleux !!!
+Muriel de SÈDE Je considère que Schoenberg comme responsable du jazz onaniste qui a accompagné la beat generation. Trois à sept musiciens cherchant et ne pas trouver une mélodie. Ce Bortkiewicz est vraiment quelque chose d'autre, n'est-ce pas? Traduit d'anglais avec l'aide de Google.
Bonjour, je suis touché par la spontanéité de vos remarques. Je ne peux m'empêcher de me sentir concerné et compris en tant que compositeur en vous lisant. Peut-être aurez-vous plaisir à découvrir quelque chose de nouveau, de lyrique, de méconnu en jetant une oreille sur une de mes vidéos sur youtube: par exemple, Bertrand Roulet l'éventail d'Anne-Marie no 7, "sur la barque des songes" , ou mes Stances à Hélène, d'après Edgar Poe. Je n'ai vraiment pas pu résister à l'impulsion de vous écrire, c'était trop tentant!
Cordiales salutations
Je vais aller de bon coeur écouter ce que vous me proposez...
Merci et bonne soirée...
Tout à fait juste ! Bowen, autre grand compositeur tonal du XXeme siècle, a dit "J'ai toujours essayé de composer de la musique moderne qui ressemble encore à de la musique"...
Take me to "wow" and I will listen to a work again and again. "Wow!!!!" Also took over my most favorite spot for a piano concerto ending over Giuseppe Martucci's (Con #1) ending, though it did so because it offered a lengthier finish than Martucci's.
Yes....Agreed! Now I must listen to Martucci and validate your thesis....
Doug Bower did you listen the ending of feinberg‘s 3rd piano concerto?
@@eliaseiffert2207 Thanks for the lead to Feinberg's 3rd piano concerto. While I found the ending interesting, I didn't have the subjective "Wow!: that I had with Martucci and Bortkiewicz.
Doug Bower Thanks for you answer, i need to check out Martucci‘s first concerto, I only now his second.
@@wilhelmberger9925
As a whole the Martucci first concerto seems OK. There is a section in that I really like a lot. Not very long. However, the ending I found spectacular but was disappointed it was not long enough. So I played it again and do so each time I listen to it because it is so short.
another fantastic Russian! I love this.
He was Ukrainian.
Very nice
les avis sont partagés mais on s'en fout on écoute et sommes bien content
I hear Dvořák, Grofé, Dukas, Holst, Grieg, Wagner, Stravinsky, ominous scenes in movies, pastoral études and I love it all. I also hear Bracque, Picasso, Paul Klee and Calder..
I also hear Rachmaninoff with some of the chords. Some parts briefly reminded me of his third piano concerto. I definitely hear the Gershwin as well. Tchaikovsky with the octaves. What a beautiful concerto!
Hervin Balfour Beautiful and exciting. Dare I say Mahler plus Boogie?
David Walmsley I agree, and a bit of Spike Milligan too.
Ding dong diddle eye po!
Sorry.... Ying tong.... (l'esprit d'escalier)
Накінець світ чує українців!
Schick!
A nice concerto that misses up to me the returning high romantic melodies
I hear in Rachmaninoff's second and third pianoconcerto.
❤❤❤ ! !
Sounds like Rachmaninoff. Did they study harmony altogether with Rimsky-Korsakov? The similarities are too strong. A very beautiful concert. Thanks
+Eduardo Ablanedo There are much similarities. That's because Rachmaninoff and Bortkiewicz were very good friends :)
Yeah, I was thinking the same. It sounds very familiar with Rachmaninoff.
Rachmaninov music like music Bortkevich :)
Thats right ! For example 12:00
@@user-ob8ew3vn5o Rachmaninov was some elder as Bortkewicz and had success from the begin - with his Aleko and Concerto no.1 still at the conservatory)). So Bortkewicz had a big inspiration from his "big" brother, but he founded a lot of incredible wonderful own intonations. It's a really fantastic music!
Ein schönes Klavierkonzert, dass aber hochromantische Melodien vermisst
wie bei Rachmaninov's zweites und drittes Klavierkonzert, weshalb man es nie
mehr hört oder spielt..
12:00
first ever mixtape
comme un hommage rendu aux autres compositeurs et à la musique classique . Simplement et humblement . C'est génial... et après ça ?
Isn’t anyone curious who plays, when was this, what orchestra and which conductor?!
It's in the description
Alright, a bit repetitive, but what perfect film music and I like it. A delightful piece of music.
4:52
22:22
27:26
I have never heard such a minatory introduction in a piano concerto; creepy in the way that Moricone's theme to 'The Hateful Eight' was creepy.
This is not so original.. BUT it is one wonderful romantic concert.
Right on the first count. Wrong on the second.
Seems to me a derivative of the styles of other composers like Rachmaninov or Tchaikovsky. Interesting; but the first movement did not move me(nothing that caused a pleasurable smile of novelty in my soul). I think I’ll listen to the other movements perhaps tomorrow. PWG
This is dramatic !
A bit too romantic for his time.
A compositional master class in how to go absolutely nowhere with maximum effort. The opening of the allegro is truly dreadful and the whole thing is square, predictable and banal. Bortkiewicz had a hard time in life and I feel sorry for him, but he wasn't even a third rate composer.
frintonearnshaw lol
frintonearnshaw What are you saying? It's one of the best piano's concertos. Try to find better.
frintonearnshaw the thing is... can you write something better... of course there are much better concertos
+frintonearnshaw You feel like elaborating on your criticism using something other than subjective opinion there?
His First Piano Concerto No. 1 is brilliant, virtuosic, and highly romantic. It is probably not played more often in the concert halls because of its technical demands on both the soloist and orchestra.
0% of this looks like original material.
+Erick Verran Pastiche?
do explain. your theory sounds interesting. do you have any references. I'd live to hear. I love Russian romantic piano :)))
Please post some of your original material.
+digitalmaestrorich He put in his music only the best tunes from his time. Bach did the same.
@@sleepyavl He has a right this opinion. I happen to agree.
Incredibly bad piece of music. Completely out of date. Could also be written in 1860 instead of 1927. It's right that it's never played anymore. What a bad piece of music.
Stef Joosen : What is the goal of music? Surely you can say it's not an especially innovative piece for it's time period, but shouldn't music be touching and make our lifes better? Your remark that it's "a bad piece of music" is in my opinion neither reflected nor true. It always depends on which aspects you judge music and even then you have to specify more, or you offend people who just love music and enjoy it, unbothered by when it's written.
You are wrong! This terrific romantic music!
Oh wow. What delightful music. My god I'm really enjoying this. Wait.... whaaat? Published in 1927? What rubbish. Aargh why did I enjoy this? Like. Sooo. not. fashioned.
Glad to see that you've outsourced your thoughts to the Ministry of Modernism, comrade. Try looking beyond labels and listen to the musical ideas themselves. In 500 years no one will care what date something was composed on, they won't have the silly prejudices of this time.
Thats like saying schönberg is best and rachmaninoff is worst because schönberg was very innovative in case of tonality were rachmaninoff was very classical in tonality. Bullshit.