I was reading John 10 this morning and it struck me that this is very much what LLF is doing. They are seeking a way into the fold by circumventing Jesus.
Wonderful hearing this for our Church of England, many more will follow our lords teachings everywhere.nice to see men returning to Christ teachings as it should be. Amen.
@@thorpsewinglessons5913 are all these men becoming progressives, as JC was? He was the original anti-establishment rebel who was such a threat to Orthodox Judaism, they crucified him. By today’s standards Jesus would have been condemned as a radical Marxist socialist!
To me, those who rule the C of E will NOT allow a de facto province outside of their jurisdiction. The only way forward for our conservative and orthodox brothers and sisters to hold on to the true faith is to become members of a GAFcon Anglican church. The writing is on the wall for the C of E. Chris x
It's one thing to stonewall and block efforts in the multitude of diabolical committees and study groups, it's quite another to ignore this fait accompli. I wish this effort all the best and I hope that they will soon ally with the Society
I went to a remote Church of Scotland church last Sunday (on holiday). It was shocking! The big bang. How people didn't write 10,000 years ago. The parts of the Bible that people USED to believe. How sin and repentance used to be the way but love is all we need. She declared herself liberal versus conservative. I had, that week, prayed for an unequivocal sign that the church is wrong. Was I missing something? She preached a checklist of all that is wrong. Thank you Lord!
@@benry007 the fact that she’s an “elder” means Scotland isn’t stuck in the past and focussed solely on the Old Testament, which is a product of the Jewish faith. Interestingly, Jews also allow female elders. It’s only the weirdo orthodox branches of the Christo/Jewish faiths which are unable to move forward.
Just as we beat Hitler through land, sea and air, so also we can beat the Woke through GAFCON churches, The Society, this new Deanery-Province, and through Godly vicars and rectors of the C of E who are battling on!
The BBC MOCKED THE LORDS PRAYER TOO! Ms Beckinsale parodied the prayer in an advert for the Euro Match which I vetoed! I complained and this is the week wobbly answer I received "Thank you for contacting us with your concerns about Kate Beckinsale’s message to the England team, before the European championship final against Spain. Ms Beckinsale reworded parts of The Lord’s Prayer to offer wishes to the England team, which we posted on our social media platforms on 14th July. We in no way meant to offend anyone from the Christian faith by posting Ms Beckinsale’s own words, a well-intentioned post along with messages from other celebrities including Ed Sheeran, Little Simz and Sir Patrick Stewart, wishing England well ahead of the final. We thank you for your comments about Ms Beckinsale’s words and we are sorry you were offended by them. We’ve shared your comments with those responsible for BBC Sports social media. Your views have also been recorded and circulated widely among senior BBC editors.
I was homeless, did drugs, went into prison, where I got to know God. He changed my life. Now I have a home, a wife and a lovely year old daughter (zoe), and a stream of income that gats me $47,000 weekly. Plus a new identity - a child of God, Hallelujah!!!🇺🇲❣️♥️❤️
Hello, how do you achieve such biweekly returns? As a single parent i haven't been able to get my own house due to financial struggles, but my faith in God remains strong.
I raised 75k and Kate Elizabeth Becherer is to be thanked. I got my self my dream car 🚗 just last weekend, My journey with her started after my best friend came back from New York and saw me suffering in dept then told me about her and how to change my life through her.Kate Elizabeth Becherer is the kind of person one needs in his or her life! I got a home, a good wife, and a beautiful daughter. Note: this is not a promotion but me trying to make a point that no matter what happens, always have faith and keep living!
I think some of the guys on the Saint Helens video were over optimistic I cannot see the church of England being a church with two parts this will just not not happened. The guys who are saying this need to bite the bullet and and become part of a truly anglican evangelical church …..this needs to happen so that people will know what sort of church they’re going to and not be confused.
Thank you very much! Makes us RC christians feel so good, blessed, and "in communion'' with you as well! Q⁉️of Faith or Faith in Q⁉️ LLF seems to me fake or a cop out. Didn't those untrue bishops go through the right Bishopsgate? Aren't they supposed to be like the apostles and church fathers? It should be them who should be in question...WhY?...Z?!
It’s a sad reflection on the conduct of the Leadership of the C of E with holding their own legal advice and the minutes of their own meetings and demanding votes be taken that basis. It’s a sad reflection on their refusal to allow a 3rd province which would allow both sides of this “minor” difference of opinion to genuinely mutually flourish.
The love of God is a crucible, that burns away the dross of our lives. I'm not God I don't know the wounds of people's hearts any more than the number of hairs on their head. I can't judge, that's between every person and God on the last day. I don't see the point of having these same sex ceremonies to be honest. People are looking for meaning and communion not rituals.
@@albertito77 because there's nothing in scripture, tradition or the Anglican formularies to support them. I'm a part of the LGBT community myself, and I'm content in being welcomed into my parish. The church is becoming more welcoming in the spirit of faith, hope and love which is more than I could have hoped for in my lifetime. I just think pushing through these ceremonies creates unnecessary divisions and makes us a bit of a lightening rod for hurtful debates, ultimately causing more harm than good.
@@PrayAlwaysAnglican anyone who wants to come to Jesus through the ministry of a church in word,sacrament and fellowship ought to be welcome despite their personal temptations. A gay Christian who stumbles sometimes (gay hook ups are disturbingly easy to acquire of so disposed) is still welcome. It’s only when they say that what they are doing isn’t sin at all that I have a problem.
I think too many people misunderstand the significant point on both sides. This actually isn't about sexuality. There are a multitude of sins for heterosexuals in the bible which sadly mostly the church ignores or passes by: however while that is bad enough I hope no church is planning to invite me to go forward and bless my transgressions. Currently the churches unknowingly are sailing far to close to equality legislation.... are my sins to be seen as greater than those of others who the culture so long mistreated?
I am more than a bit worried by the proposition of these "informal family dinners" where bread is broken. This sounds like some weird kind of fake communion, with possibly a stain of lay presidency added in. Seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
@@davidmorecroft5667 of course the original was presided over by Jesus Christ, THE high priest. I would say that by the carefully worded script used, the speaker knows he is doing something others will not find acceptable. Lastly, if you want a different church, then go start one. Trying to stay in the CoE but do everything different is no less of an innovation than the LLF crowd. Tradition is one leg of the classic proverbial stool.
Did I miss something? I couldn't detect a single iota of compassion for those who are struggling with gender identity issues. Yes, we need to hold to the truths of scripture, but at their core are the Two Commandments which Jesus gave us - love God with all our hearts and love other people as much as we would want to be loved ourselves. Let's get our eternal prioities right as we learn how to minister to those who are different to us, but equally children of God. There will be mis-steps along the way - after all we are human, not the arbiters of God's mind - so there will be a need to continually rethink (i.e. repent) as we go. And we need to do the same as we minister to others with whom we don't see eye-to-eye, which ultimately is everyone.
Fighting for the truth of the gospel is a distraction. You should be fighting for the word and spirit of Jesus! The dusty old scripts written by men almost 2000 years ago have no place in our modern society but the values and fellowship of JC still hold true. What would he say?
Go and sin no more most probably. Followed by "come out of her my people". You speak of seeking the word and spirit of Jesus, but that is only possible through the Gospel of Christ, not some fluffy halo modernised & bastardised version in a rainbow gown.
A sad indictment in my view of a church that doesn’t understand what compromise means- so hung up on a minor issue, when the world has far more serious problems to deal with than two gay people wanting to express their love and commitment through marriage. No wonder that the vast majority of non church goers turn away.
I don't see how doing the revealed will of God could ever be considered a _minor issue_ about which we could _compromise_ . You can either have the free gift of eternal life in Christ Jesus *or* LLF, but you can't have both, and this is not up for negotiation or amendment by any bishop, minister or synod.
Jesus himself gives a picture of marriage that aligns with Genesis. He warns about sexual immorality and deliberately uses a generic term to encapsulate all the sexual sins listed in the OT which includes same sex acts. If we are going to ignore Christ, what are we doing here? Then in the NT Paul uses homosexuality as an analogy for idolatry, the most serious sin in the entire faith. SSM is just the tip of the theological iceberg, once you start treating the Bible as a bag of inspirational quotes and use it to justify things that clearly go against it, then it leads to denying the physical Resurrection, abandoning the Trinity, the divinity of Christ etc.
@@kenbeach5021 Goodness me- you seem to be suggesting that someone who is gay and in a totally committed, monogamous relationship and wants to demonstrate that love through marriage, is eternally dammed? And you are the person to issue that judgement? With no understanding of that individual person’s life, struggles, desperate attempts at holiness and goodness? What if they were the most incredible Good Samaritan, who spends their life caring and loving others-visiting the sick, feeding the hungry, binding up the vulnerable. Like all the other commentators here, you would do well to put down the stones, and see the people behind this. And to remember, that hundreds of thousands of Christians welcome the changes and agree with the bishops- you don’t have the monopoly on truth, not when the issue is so complex.
I was reading John 10 this morning and it struck me that this is very much what LLF is doing. They are seeking a way into the fold by circumventing Jesus.
this 💯
What a great statement. God bless all who follow it.
Wonderful hearing this for our Church of England, many more will follow our lords teachings everywhere.nice to see men returning to Christ teachings as it should be. Amen.
@@thorpsewinglessons5913 are all these men becoming progressives, as JC was? He was the original anti-establishment rebel who was such a threat to Orthodox Judaism, they crucified him. By today’s standards Jesus would have been condemned as a radical Marxist socialist!
I am greatly heartened after watching this video.
To me, those who rule the C of E will NOT allow a de facto province outside of their jurisdiction. The only way forward for our conservative and orthodox brothers and sisters to hold on to the true faith is to become members of a GAFcon Anglican church. The writing is on the wall for the C of E. Chris x
It's one thing to stonewall and block efforts in the multitude of diabolical committees and study groups, it's quite another to ignore this fait accompli. I wish this effort all the best and I hope that they will soon ally with the Society
Nice work brothers and sisters.
Thank you for sharing this update
The Bishops love the position they have so want to keep on government side.
I went to a remote Church of Scotland church last Sunday (on holiday). It was shocking!
The big bang. How people didn't write 10,000 years ago. The parts of the Bible that people USED to believe. How sin and repentance used to be the way but love is all we need. She declared herself liberal versus conservative.
I had, that week, prayed for an unequivocal sign that the church is wrong. Was I missing something?
She preached a checklist of all that is wrong. Thank you Lord!
The fact that she is a female elder is already rebellion. Read 1 Timothy and Titus.
@@benry007 the fact that she’s an “elder” means Scotland isn’t stuck in the past and focussed solely on the Old Testament, which is a product of the Jewish faith. Interestingly, Jews also allow female elders. It’s only the weirdo orthodox branches of the Christo/Jewish faiths which are unable to move forward.
Dan, are you seeking alternative oversight - or still sitting on the fence?
Just as we beat Hitler through land, sea and air, so also we can beat the Woke through GAFCON churches, The Society, this new Deanery-Province, and through Godly vicars and rectors of the C of E who are battling on!
I've become Orthodox...had to leave the C of E .
The BBC MOCKED THE LORDS PRAYER TOO! Ms Beckinsale parodied the prayer in an advert for the Euro Match which I vetoed! I complained and this is the week wobbly answer I received
"Thank you for contacting us with your concerns about Kate Beckinsale’s message to the England team, before the European championship final against Spain.
Ms Beckinsale reworded parts of The Lord’s Prayer to offer wishes to the England team, which we posted on our social media platforms on 14th July.
We in no way meant to offend anyone from the Christian faith by posting Ms Beckinsale’s own words, a well-intentioned post along with messages from other celebrities including Ed Sheeran, Little Simz and Sir Patrick Stewart, wishing England well ahead of the final.
We thank you for your comments about Ms Beckinsale’s words and we are sorry you were offended by them. We’ve shared your comments with those responsible for BBC Sports social media. Your views have also been recorded and circulated widely among senior BBC editors.
Well done and thank you for taking the time and trouble.
When I belonged to the church of England in the 50s and 60s we had a vicar why has that changed?
Different types of terminology according to landholding arrangements if you honestly wanted to know...
I was homeless, did drugs, went into prison, where I got to know God. He changed my life. Now I have a home, a wife and a lovely year old daughter (zoe), and a stream of income that gats me $47,000 weekly. Plus a new identity - a child of God, Hallelujah!!!🇺🇲❣️♥️❤️
Hello, how do you achieve such biweekly returns? As a single parent i haven't been able to get my own house due to financial struggles, but my faith in God remains strong.
I'm inspired.
Please spill some sugar about the biweekly stuff you mentioned
I raised 75k and Kate Elizabeth Becherer is to be thanked. I got my self my dream car 🚗 just last weekend, My journey with her started after my best friend came back from New York and saw me suffering in dept then told me about her and how to change my life through her.Kate Elizabeth Becherer is the kind of person one needs in his or her life! I got a home, a good wife, and a beautiful daughter. Note: this is not a promotion but me trying to make a point that no matter what happens, always have faith and keep living!
@@minel-mThis is a definition of God's unending provisions for his people. God remains faithful to his words. 🙏 I receive this for my household
@@minel-mHow do I get connection to this woman you speak about!!?
I think some of the guys on the Saint Helens video were over optimistic I cannot see the church of England being a church with two parts this will just not not happened. The guys who are saying this need to bite the bullet and and become part of a truly anglican evangelical church …..this needs to happen so that people will know what sort of church they’re going to and not be confused.
Thank you very much! Makes us RC christians feel so good, blessed, and "in communion'' with you as well! Q⁉️of Faith or Faith in Q⁉️ LLF seems to me fake or a cop out. Didn't those untrue bishops go through the right Bishopsgate? Aren't they supposed to be like the apostles and church fathers? It should be them who should be in question...WhY?...Z?!
Diocesissies?!
Christ calls us to stand up for the faith - we shouldn't be any kind of sissies!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Great videos, Dan. Please do slow down a bit.
The pace is fine for You Tube.
It’s a sad reflection on the conduct of the Leadership of the C of E with holding their own legal advice and the minutes of their own meetings and demanding votes be taken that basis. It’s a sad reflection on their refusal to allow a 3rd province which would allow both sides of this “minor” difference of opinion to genuinely mutually flourish.
It is indeed a mess..but it’s just a man made intuition based upon basic and crude understanding so it’s to be expected.
If you don't wish to conform, become non-conformists.
That's precisely what they are doing, all while remaining within the CofE
1633 or 1637 all over again hey?
The love of God is a crucible, that burns away the dross of our lives. I'm not God I don't know the wounds of people's hearts any more than the number of hairs on their head. I can't judge, that's between every person and God on the last day. I don't see the point of having these same sex ceremonies to be honest. People are looking for meaning and communion not rituals.
Can you see the point of _not_ having these ceremonies?
@@albertito77 because there's nothing in scripture, tradition or the Anglican formularies to support them. I'm a part of the LGBT community myself, and I'm content in being welcomed into my parish. The church is becoming more welcoming in the spirit of faith, hope and love which is more than I could have hoped for in my lifetime. I just think pushing through these ceremonies creates unnecessary divisions and makes us a bit of a lightening rod for hurtful debates, ultimately causing more harm than good.
@@PrayAlwaysAnglican anyone who wants to come to Jesus through the ministry of a church in word,sacrament and fellowship ought to be welcome despite their personal temptations. A gay Christian who stumbles sometimes (gay hook ups are disturbingly easy to acquire of so disposed) is still welcome. It’s only when they say that what they are doing isn’t sin at all that I have a problem.
I think too many people misunderstand the significant point on both sides. This actually isn't about sexuality. There are a multitude of sins for heterosexuals in the bible which sadly mostly the church ignores or passes by: however while that is bad enough I hope no church is planning to invite me to go forward and bless my transgressions. Currently the churches unknowingly are sailing far to close to equality legislation.... are my sins to be seen as greater than those of others who the culture so long mistreated?
Yeah OK. But dear bro,please slow down a bit, speak more clearly and try not to swallow your words!
I am more than a bit worried by the proposition of these "informal family dinners" where bread is broken. This sounds like some weird kind of fake communion, with possibly a stain of lay presidency added in. Seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Where in the bible does it say that there HAS to be an ordained person presiding over communion?
@@davidmorecroft5667 of course the original was presided over by Jesus Christ, THE high priest. I would say that by the carefully worded script used, the speaker knows he is doing something others will not find acceptable.
Lastly, if you want a different church, then go start one. Trying to stay in the CoE but do everything different is no less of an innovation than the LLF crowd. Tradition is one leg of the classic proverbial stool.
Did I miss something? I couldn't detect a single iota of compassion for those who are struggling with gender identity issues. Yes, we need to hold to the truths of scripture, but at their core are the Two Commandments which Jesus gave us - love God with all our hearts and love other people as much as we would want to be loved ourselves. Let's get our eternal prioities right as we learn how to minister to those who are different to us, but equally children of God. There will be mis-steps along the way - after all we are human, not the arbiters of God's mind - so there will be a need to continually rethink (i.e. repent) as we go. And we need to do the same as we minister to others with whom we don't see eye-to-eye, which ultimately is everyone.
Fighting for the truth of the gospel is a distraction. You should be fighting for the word and spirit of Jesus! The dusty old scripts written by men almost 2000 years ago have no place in our modern society but the values and fellowship of JC still hold true. What would he say?
Go and sin no more most probably.
Followed by "come out of her my people".
You speak of seeking the word and spirit of Jesus, but that is only possible through the Gospel of Christ, not some fluffy halo modernised & bastardised version in a rainbow gown.
I never knew you
A sad indictment in my view of a church that doesn’t understand what compromise means- so hung up on a minor issue, when the world has far more serious problems to deal with than two gay people wanting to express their love and commitment through marriage. No wonder that the vast majority of non church goers turn away.
It’s the liberal churches who are losing members. The conservative ones are growing.
I don't see how doing the revealed will of God could ever be considered a _minor issue_ about which we could _compromise_ .
You can either have the free gift of eternal life in Christ Jesus *or* LLF, but you can't have both, and this is not up for negotiation or amendment by any bishop, minister or synod.
Repent and believe the Gospel!
Jesus himself gives a picture of marriage that aligns with Genesis. He warns about sexual immorality and deliberately uses a generic term to encapsulate all the sexual sins listed in the OT which includes same sex acts.
If we are going to ignore Christ, what are we doing here?
Then in the NT Paul uses homosexuality as an analogy for idolatry, the most serious sin in the entire faith.
SSM is just the tip of the theological iceberg, once you start treating the Bible as a bag of inspirational quotes and use it to justify things that clearly go against it, then it leads to denying the physical Resurrection, abandoning the Trinity, the divinity of Christ etc.
@@kenbeach5021
Goodness me- you seem to be suggesting that someone who is gay and in a totally committed, monogamous relationship and wants to demonstrate that love through marriage, is eternally dammed? And you are the person to issue that judgement? With no understanding of that individual person’s life, struggles, desperate attempts at holiness and goodness? What if they were the most incredible Good Samaritan, who spends their life caring and loving others-visiting the sick, feeding the hungry, binding up the vulnerable. Like all the other commentators here, you would do well to put down the stones, and see the people behind this. And to remember, that hundreds of thousands of Christians welcome the changes and agree with the bishops- you don’t have the monopoly on truth, not when the issue is so complex.