Having faith in Jesus doesn't only mean believing in Him but also believing in everything He and His apostles taught, for example, the fact that the bible teaches that each one is going to be judged according to his works, otherwise it wouldn't have been included in sacred scripture
Sure make sense. But they arent the final cause for salvation. or even a cause. Salvation is a heavely gift by God to all man we are saved not saving ourselves.
There is alot tho the bible seems to indicate for merits but also indicate against it and purgatory and mortal sin mentioned in the bible aswell. Like its confusing.
@@mikaelrosing He is not saying we save ourselves. He is saying we must believe Jesus died on the cross for us and He took away our sins. No, Eucharist did that and no baptism did that. His sacrifice did and His blood washes away our sins. We must believe this or there is not salvation.
@mikaelrosing Thing is we have to understand the context of what the original author was writing for. This is why some parts of the Bible regarding faith and works seem contradictory, but in reality are not. I recommend the book “The Father’s Know Best,” by Jimmy Akin. There is a faith and works section that covers just that. It’s really informative.
If you read the Gospels, God the son says it over and over , again and again that we have to believe and comply with his teachings. Christ defines faith as a belief in who he is and what he says. We know there can be no salvation without love because you cant commune with God who is love unless you love others. And love without works becomes ABSOLUTELY USELESS. You can say you love your kids all you want but if you dont do anything good for them then that love is absolutely useless. Therefore faith with out works is useless. If you dont believe and obey the words of christ then you are the House built on the sand.
John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. That is faith. A catholic sitting in a pew and taking the sacraments is not saved until they have confessed their sins to Jesus and repents. Then you must live for Him, not the church or Mary.
@@darrellperez1029 Your priest cannot take away your sins. Jesus alone does this. They are just substitutes for Him. They cross themselves and then say in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost. They are praying for you to Him. I can do this myself bypassing the middleman.
@bcalvert321 Can you please answer me? I don't need your explanations. I need your proof. We don't practice confession because it's a "middle man." Those are Christ OWN WORDS. John 20:23
@ God bless you for your kindness in my discernment of the CC. You are one of the few that makes me want to be Catholic. You are not narrow minded and I appreciate your witness sister. I hope you realize how serious I am..TY.
Amen! CC on Salvation: “Sinful man CANNOT save himself. Our justification comes from the GRACE of God and The call to eternal life is supernatural. It depends entirely on God’s gratuitous nature.”
You cannot be saved without faith. You can do all the sacraments you want but until you personally confess your sins, and repent there is no salvation.
CCC 2068, "The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them; the Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments." The implication of 2068 is that there are 3 necessary prerequisites for salvation, which means that when a Catholic says "we believe in salvation through faith," he's being disingenuous. The Catholic believes in a salvation through faith + baptism + observance of commandments. IOW, if the Catholic says that we are saved through faith, he is implying that he agrees with the proposition that faith _is enough_ to save a person, when in reality he is bearing false witness concerning his true beliefs. The concept of "initial justification" is an artificial theological construct found nowhere in the Bible, and setting "initial justification" as a separate state from "salvation" or "final justification" has no support in Scripture. Romans 3:10-5:19 contains the most detailed Apostolic teaching on the subject of the Christian's justification/righteousness, and it never says that our justification is merely an "initial" dose, or that it is anything less than _full and complete._ After all, it is only by God's grace that we can be justified, and grace (by definition) is a gift... an undeserved, un-earnable, freely-given, no-strings-attached gift. Paul explains that the one who is justified through faith apart from works has been restored to peace with God, and he draws _an equivalence_ between justification and eternal life. What should 'clue in' everyone to the falsity of Catholic doctrine is their perversion of the truth taught in Scripture that we are justified by God's gift of grace through faith; the church of Rome nonetheless teaches that the Catholic is justified _through baptism._ Anyone with an eighth-grade-level reading ability should be able to see that nowhere in this seminal teaching on justification does it say that one can be justified through baptism. But the Roman Catholic doctrinal train wreck doesn't stop there! CCC 2010, "...Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life." CCC 2027, "Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods." RC doctrine also specifies that the Catholic can merit the graces he needs for eternal life _for himself._ This is heresy! Of course, the writers included a "technical loophole" for themselves by mentioning the moving of the Holy Spirit. But the base premise that a human can _merit grace for salvation_ is so totally false and unScriptural, it cannot be salvaged by the mere mention that God is actually involved at working through the person. If our works are the work of the Holy Spirit, then the CCC should say so and be done! None of this "we can merit for ourselves" should ever have been stated.
@@bcalvert321where does anyone say works justify you? You just butchered what he said. Faith without works is just words. Works follow your faith. You do them because you believe you should because of your faith. No Catholic thinks being “good” justifies you.
@@bcalvert321 ok. I’m sure you have the best intentions. I used to be a Protestant myself. I had the same misunderstanding about the Catholic Church. Believe me, we read the Bible every Mass and on our own. Every prayer in the Mass is from the Bible. The Eucharist is right out of the Bible. Even the Hail Mary prayer comes from the Bible and quotes the Angel Gabriel. We see you as our brother or sister and want you to come to the fullness of the faith in the Church Christ established the same way you want us to be saved.
See this is the problem with sola fide. I mean you read St. Paul and you can come away with that understanding if you're reading it in isolation, look at it in the greater context... But when young man asked Jesus what he needed to do to be saved He was told to observe the commandments. Peter tells people to repent and be baptized. I don't think you can look at one of these figures and come up with a two-word phrase on how you get salvation. You have to take the whole of scripture. Yeah, Faith is the starting point but you have to live in the Lord by following the commandments and receiving the sacraments. And when we fail to follow the commands, we need to repent and be forgiven.
See what’s confusing about your answer is that you said “baptism is the instrument by which faith is infused into an individual”. The Scripture shows time and time again that individuals respond in faith and part of that response is obedience through baptism. I do not know of a moment in scripture where there is not faith before baptism.
If it's just your own strength, it's hard, if you depend on grace given by the Holy Spirit it's less hard and will help you a lot with peace on your struggles.
Yes. 1Cor 10:12-13. It doesnt make sense you recieve everything. Jesus will condemn those who did nothing and He explicitly says this, in the New and Old testament.
Our initial salvation was granted by shedding of his blood. We must certainly obey his two commandments, to love the Lord & to love our neighbor. Not so very hard to do if focused, and God will take care of the rest. Peace
Praise to God Almighty!!!!'m favoured, $140k every 3weeks! I can now give back to the locals in my community and also support God's work and the church. God bless America 🇺🇸❤️❤️❤️❤️
After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states also paid for my son's surgery (Oscar). Glory to God.shalom
Remember: works of spirit already happens when you obbey the commandments and dont sin. Its not work of flesh by "lets do solidarity for the sake of feeling well around salvation, while not confessing those mortal sins" Unborn children that die dont sin, yet they dont believe in Jesus... yeah, the baptism is not "optional" but necessary, but who knows, at Second Coming, Jesus could baptize every children that didnt had baptism and died prematurely, as everyone will be ressurected with body, some to Eternal Damnation, some to Eternal Life.. Limbo would cease to exist with Purgatory, right? As they would lose their role with the New Jerusalem. Someone have thoughts around children? there is nothing at catechism, even Pio X's catechism doesnt mention Limbo.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Dont cherry pick the Bible for what confirms your own interpretations. You put up two verses and ignore James 2:26. You need to read the Bible in its totality. If you have faith, you will get baptized. You will do good works because you believe. No Catholic believes your saved because of works. We know our works are like filthy rags in the sight of God. We believe you should still strive to be good because of our faith.
Amen! Catechism on Justification: “Sinful man CANNOT save himself. Our justification comes from the GRACE of God and the call to eternal life is supernatural. It depends entirely on God’s gratuitous nature. Justification is the acceptance of God’s righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ.”
Hey Robert, the short answer is no, you do not need to be baptized again. A longer answer can be found here: www.catholic.com/qa/why-cant-i-be-re-baptized-as-a-catholic
Jesus most definitely did not teach salvation by faith alone because Jews don't believe in that and Jesus was a very conservative Jew. "As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’[d]” 20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.” 21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
🛐For your discernment. Hard to judge the CC until you know the teachings. Not from what someone told you. I’m Not Catholic, so you can’t put it off on that issue. God bless.
Getting saved is humanly impossible. Keeping the commandments is also humanly impossible. These ARE possible with the Holy Spirit. Salvation is grace. Even our good works are grace (Rev 19).
@@seanthompson5077 I agree, keeping the commandments is humanly impossible, and practically no Christian manages to keep all the commandments. yet the CCC says, "The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them..." (2068). So the Catholic Church lays a burden on the layperson that the layperson will not be able to keep, plain and simple.
@normmcinnis4102 Jesus didn't abolish the 10 commandments. So yes, we are still bound by them. If you love someone you will do what they ask of you. So that you can truly say with the Psalmist: How I love your laws oh God...
That is an argument Protestants Agnostics and Atheists use. We are called to have fellowship, as laity we do need to see if a group of people (the Church) function with Sound Doctrine.
@@maryschade1906 This is not about laity or fellowship. This is about making Jesus your Savior. If you do not do this and live for Hin then you are not going to heaven.
Jesus I trust in you🙏
Amen sister. Jesus is the one to keep our eyes, heart and mind on at all times. TY Christine!
Karlo, beautiful explanation. You the man! So thorough
Thank you
Well stated!
I find it interesting that you made a video based on my question.
Why surprised? I watch CALive as I discern the CC. I appreciate what this apostolate does. God bless.
Having faith in Jesus doesn't only mean believing in Him but also believing in everything He and His apostles taught, for example, the fact that the bible teaches that each one is going to be judged according to his works, otherwise it wouldn't have been included in sacred scripture
Sure make sense. But they arent the final cause for salvation. or even a cause. Salvation is a heavely gift by God to all man we are saved not saving ourselves.
There is alot tho the bible seems to indicate for merits but also indicate against it and purgatory and mortal sin mentioned in the bible aswell. Like its confusing.
@@mikaelrosing Protestants, The Bible, and the Catholic Church are all in agreement on salvation. It’s all GRACE.
@@mikaelrosing He is not saying we save ourselves. He is saying we must believe Jesus died on the cross for us and He took away our sins. No, Eucharist did that and no baptism did that. His sacrifice did and His blood washes away our sins. We must believe this or there is not salvation.
@mikaelrosing Thing is we have to understand the context of what the original author was writing for. This is why some parts of the Bible regarding faith and works seem contradictory, but in reality are not.
I recommend the book “The Father’s Know Best,” by Jimmy Akin. There is a faith and works section that covers just that. It’s really informative.
He’s correct about baptism! Perfect explanation
If you read the Gospels, God the son says it over and over , again and again that we have to believe and comply with his teachings. Christ defines faith as a belief in who he is and what he says. We know there can be no salvation without love because you cant commune with God who is love unless you love others. And love without works becomes ABSOLUTELY USELESS. You can say you love your kids all you want but if you dont do anything good for them then that love is absolutely useless. Therefore faith with out works is useless. If you dont believe and obey the words of christ then you are the House built on the sand.
Great analogy.
Luther was a madman
Amen. John 14:15. Jesus too said "if you love Me, you will keep My commandments. " No commandments says faith alone or follow a book for salvation.
John 3:16 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. That is faith. A catholic sitting in a pew and taking the sacraments is not saved until they have confessed their sins to Jesus and repents. Then you must live for Him, not the church or Mary.
@bcalvert321 where does Jesus tell us in the bible to confess directly to Him? John 3:16 doesn't say that.
@@darrellperez1029 Your priest cannot take away your sins. Jesus alone does this. They are just substitutes for Him. They cross themselves and then say in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost. They are praying for you to Him. I can do this myself bypassing the middleman.
@bcalvert321 Can you please answer me? I don't need your explanations. I need your proof.
We don't practice confession because it's a "middle man." Those are Christ OWN WORDS. John 20:23
I love the CC teachings on Salvation. I appreciate this apostolate. Lord Jesus Christ please protect and prosper this teaching arm of your church!
Amen🙏
@ God bless you for your kindness in my discernment of the CC. You are one of the few that makes me want to be Catholic. You are not narrow minded and I appreciate your witness sister. I hope you realize how serious I am..TY.
Amen! CC on Salvation:
“Sinful man CANNOT save himself. Our justification comes from the GRACE of God and The call to eternal life is supernatural. It depends entirely on God’s gratuitous nature.”
You cannot be saved without faith. You can do all the sacraments you want but until you personally confess your sins, and repent there is no salvation.
@@bcalvert321There is no church that teaches you can be saved without faith.
CCC 2068, "The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them; the Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."
The implication of 2068 is that there are 3 necessary prerequisites for salvation, which means that when a Catholic says "we believe in salvation through faith," he's being disingenuous. The Catholic believes in a salvation through faith + baptism + observance of commandments. IOW, if the Catholic says that we are saved through faith, he is implying that he agrees with the proposition that faith _is enough_ to save a person, when in reality he is bearing false witness concerning his true beliefs.
The concept of "initial justification" is an artificial theological construct found nowhere in the Bible, and setting "initial justification" as a separate state from "salvation" or "final justification" has no support in Scripture. Romans 3:10-5:19 contains the most detailed Apostolic teaching on the subject of the Christian's justification/righteousness, and it never says that our justification is merely an "initial" dose, or that it is anything less than _full and complete._ After all, it is only by God's grace that we can be justified, and grace (by definition) is a gift... an undeserved, un-earnable, freely-given, no-strings-attached gift. Paul explains that the one who is justified through faith apart from works has been restored to peace with God, and he draws _an equivalence_ between justification and eternal life.
What should 'clue in' everyone to the falsity of Catholic doctrine is their perversion of the truth taught in Scripture that we are justified by God's gift of grace through faith; the church of Rome nonetheless teaches that the Catholic is justified _through baptism._ Anyone with an eighth-grade-level reading ability should be able to see that nowhere in this seminal teaching on justification does it say that one can be justified through baptism.
But the Roman Catholic doctrinal train wreck doesn't stop there!
CCC 2010, "...Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life."
CCC 2027, "Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods."
RC doctrine also specifies that the Catholic can merit the graces he needs for eternal life _for himself._ This is heresy! Of course, the writers included a "technical loophole" for themselves by mentioning the moving of the Holy Spirit. But the base premise that a human can _merit grace for salvation_ is so totally false and unScriptural, it cannot be salvaged by the mere mention that God is actually involved at working through the person. If our works are the work of the Holy Spirit, then the CCC should say so and be done! None of this "we can merit for ourselves" should ever have been stated.
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Genuine faith is a 3-demensional word - that includes mental assent, charity and actions. "Faith without works is dead." (James 2:14-26)
Works without faith is nothing. Works will never save your soul.
@@bcalvert321where does anyone say works justify you? You just butchered what he said. Faith without works is just words. Works follow your faith. You do them because you believe you should because of your faith. No Catholic thinks being “good” justifies you.
@@MrAwak3 If I did then I was wrong.
@@bcalvert321 ok. I’m sure you have the best intentions. I used to be a Protestant myself. I had the same misunderstanding about the Catholic Church. Believe me, we read the Bible every Mass and on our own. Every prayer in the Mass is from the Bible. The Eucharist is right out of the Bible. Even the Hail Mary prayer comes from the Bible and quotes the Angel Gabriel. We see you as our brother or sister and want you to come to the fullness of the faith in the Church Christ established the same way you want us to be saved.
See this is the problem with sola fide. I mean you read St. Paul and you can come away with that understanding if you're reading it in isolation, look at it in the greater context... But when young man asked Jesus what he needed to do to be saved He was told to observe the commandments. Peter tells people to repent and be baptized. I don't think you can look at one of these figures and come up with a two-word phrase on how you get salvation. You have to take the whole of scripture. Yeah, Faith is the starting point but you have to live in the Lord by following the commandments and receiving the sacraments. And when we fail to follow the commands, we need to repent and be forgiven.
See what’s confusing about your answer is that you said “baptism is the instrument by which faith is infused into an individual”. The Scripture shows time and time again that individuals respond in faith and part of that response is obedience through baptism. I do not know of a moment in scripture where there is not faith before baptism.
Sooo......We can do nothing to earn our initial salvation, but then we have to work really hard to keep it?
If it's just your own strength, it's hard, if you depend on grace given by the Holy Spirit it's less hard and will help you a lot with peace on your struggles.
Yes. 1Cor 10:12-13.
It doesnt make sense you recieve everything. Jesus will condemn those who did nothing and He explicitly says this, in the New and Old testament.
Salvation is humanly impossible. Living a Christian life is humanly impossible. It’s all grace. Can only happen with the Holy Spirit.
Our initial salvation was granted by shedding of his blood. We must certainly obey his two commandments, to love the Lord & to love our neighbor. Not so very hard to do if focused, and God will take care of the rest. Peace
Praise to God Almighty!!!!'m favoured, $140k every 3weeks! I can now give back to the locals in my community and also support God's work and the church. God bless America 🇺🇸❤️❤️❤️❤️
Hello how do you make such monthly ?? I'm a born Christian and sometimes I feel so down of myself because of low finance but I still believe in God.
Thanks to Mrs Kathleen Mary vella.
She's a licensed broker here in the states
After I raised up to 325k trading with her I bought a new House and a car here in the states also paid for my son's surgery (Oscar). Glory to God.shalom
I have heard a lot of wonderful things about Mrs Kathleen Mary vella on the news but didn't believe it until now. I'm definitely trying her out.
Abraham beleived God and it was counted to him as rightiousness: he was justified by, faith and not by works, Roman's 4:1-5:
One problem with people who are not Catholic reading the Catechism is that they don’t submit themselves to God
Haven’t not don’t
Die vissers maak rooi vlaggies aan die nette vas voordat
hulle dit in die water gooi.
Remember: works of spirit already happens when you obbey the commandments and dont sin. Its not work of flesh by "lets do solidarity for the sake of feeling well around salvation, while not confessing those mortal sins"
Unborn children that die dont sin, yet they dont believe in Jesus... yeah, the baptism is not "optional" but necessary, but who knows, at Second Coming, Jesus could baptize every children that didnt had baptism and died prematurely, as everyone will be ressurected with body, some to Eternal Damnation, some to Eternal Life.. Limbo would cease to exist with Purgatory, right? As they would lose their role with the New Jerusalem.
Someone have thoughts around children? there is nothing at catechism, even Pio X's catechism doesnt mention Limbo.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Wow 😮 and from Romans, thank you for sharing
What does the bible say we will be judged on when we meet God?
Amen 🙏 mercy
Good Work or Work of the Law ??
Dont cherry pick the Bible for what confirms your own interpretations. You put up two verses and ignore James 2:26. You need to read the Bible in its totality. If you have faith, you will get baptized. You will do good works because you believe. No Catholic believes your saved because of works. We know our works are like filthy rags in the sight of God. We believe you should still strive to be good because of our faith.
paragraph 1996 of the catechismstate that justification is from the grace of god
Amen! Catechism on Justification: “Sinful man CANNOT save himself. Our justification comes from the GRACE of God and the call to eternal life is supernatural. It depends entirely on God’s gratuitous nature. Justification is the acceptance of God’s righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ.”
catechism paragraph 196 is not the Bible. It is not the Words of Jesus.
@@bcalvert321soooo, you only read the Bible, and don’t listen to preachers, or pastors, or leaders of the church teach on scripture?
@@seanthompson5077 Sure I listen to my pastor. But they teach and I check what they have said in my Bible. Their word is not final, the Bible is.
@@bcalvert321 but justification by grace is in the bible
not sure how to word this but will try, baptized as a baby but dont come to faith until my later years, do I need to be baptized again?
Hey Robert, the short answer is no, you do not need to be baptized again. A longer answer can be found here: www.catholic.com/qa/why-cant-i-be-re-baptized-as-a-catholic
Absolutely not.
Jesus most definitely did not teach salvation by faith alone because Jews don't believe in that and Jesus was a very conservative Jew.
"As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good-except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’[d]”
20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”
21 Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
🛐For your discernment. Hard to judge the CC until you know the teachings. Not from what someone told you. I’m Not Catholic, so you can’t put it off on that issue. God bless.
@@BigStack-vg6ku 12 years of a very fine Catholic education here.
What can I help you with?
can we really keep the commandants
Getting saved is humanly impossible. Keeping the commandments is also humanly impossible. These ARE possible with the Holy Spirit. Salvation is grace. Even our good works are grace (Rev 19).
@@seanthompson5077 I agree, keeping the commandments is humanly impossible, and practically no Christian manages to keep all the commandments. yet the CCC says, "The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them..." (2068). So the Catholic Church lays a burden on the layperson that the layperson will not be able to keep, plain and simple.
observance of the 'commandments' is old testament 'works'.
So, you're saying we don't have to obey the commandments?
We can disobey God's commandments and still be saved?
@@DRWH044 Missing the whole point of the New Testament.
@@normmcinnis4102 am I? So why don't you answer the questions?
@normmcinnis4102 Jesus didn't abolish the 10 commandments. So yes, we are still bound by them. If you love someone you will do what they ask of you. So that you can truly say with the Psalmist: How I love your laws oh God...
@@normmcinnis4102Pauline Christianity is a new age belief.
Gods grace saves and nothing else no works, adding works to Gods is insulting Gods
No one is saved by a church. It cannot happen and has never happened. Without faith there is no salvation.
That is an argument Protestants Agnostics and Atheists use. We are called to have fellowship, as laity we do need to see if a group of people (the Church) function with Sound Doctrine.
@@maryschade1906 This is not about laity or fellowship. This is about making Jesus your Savior. If you do not do this and live for Hin then you are not going to heaven.
@@bcalvert321 NO. Without following the commandments. Not faith
@bcalvert321 actually this discussion is Salvation Faith and Works. My apologies if my explanation upset you.
One needs Faith obviously but faith alone is not enough
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