Understandable for those who watched classic Who. Those such as myself... I personally didn't have a clue. I had to watch Pyramids of Mars afterwards to know who the villain was. Which to be honest has left me feeling slightly left out of the loop on this story arc. Great scary episode, but left confused afterwards. Now I know who the villain is- I understand. People who are new who era....will be left puzzled by the villain.
@@Sam-zu5mr I had heard theories of Sutekh's involvement, and decided to watch the episodes just in case. Mostly made the comment for anybody who didnt know who he is.
Gabriel Woolf was the voice actor for Sutekh in "The Pyramids of Mars" and RTD brought him back for The Beast in "The Impossibly Planet/Satan Pit" on the basis that he was the perfect voice for 'the devil'.
10:23 To be fair to Kate it was kinda the Doctor's fault. She told the soldier not to go investigate and the Doctor shut her down and told him to go. If he hadn't done that the solider likely wouldn't have died. So it made sense for Kate to be upset even though of course the Doctor didn't know that would happen to him.
Very true. Part of me just kinda wished Kate could act differently now that she's known the Doctor for so long, knows that he has a big heart and how dangerous his adventures are. But I guess I can respect her moment of outrage under the circumstances.
@@Thomity Jemma Redgrave gives us paragraphs of dialogue in that one look! I like to think that the look between them is private, but she wouldn't say what she was feeling in the moment in front of everyone out of respect for her long friendship with The Doctor.
@@ThomityIt just feels like you went into the episode expecting all the answers in the first part of a two part story, and were expecting to be disappointed
Im a classic who watcher, and when i saw his name i fell of my chair. I love how new who watchers have no idea who Sutekh is, its about time we classic who fans get something back. This is the best who episode in decades.
this episode was absolutely amazing, so enjoyable. so much tension and building up of action, all for an amazing 3-fold climax at the end. can’t wait for next week!!!
Not so much to anyone who has watched since 2005. I had absolutely no idea who Sutek was. So I binge watched "the pyramids of mars classic- to see who the villain was and his connection to the Doctor. Which as a finale... isn't great if the show is aimed at newer fans. I personally know who Sutek is now...I think for viewers who don't know....they could have explained this villain ABIT better.
@@Sam-zu5mr It's a two parter, I'm sure there's a "who's Sutekh" scene in part two. And I'd argue they introduced the "Gods" pantheon already in The Giggle and Devil's Chord, so new viewers have some idea of the concept in not specifically Sutekh.
I do think it's funny that the big reveal for our "New" era of the show is someone most fans of even New Who don't know, let alone the new new fans. Chills though.
@@thechosenone1566 yeah but A) They weren't in the first series, the Master waited till series 3 and Daveos till 4, and B) Davros and the Master weren't one-offs. I'm not actually mad, I think it's a brilliant reveal but it's certainly an odd choice especially as the entire ending of the episode hinges on the reveal of Sutekh, somebody who is utterly meaningless to probably most of the fans watching. At least the Master wouldn't have been as unheard of in series 3 and Davros is connected to the Daleks.
If you watched the episode, you know who Sutekh is and exactly what he's about. No prior knowledge required. He's also a real Egyptian god, the idea that you need to have seen pyramids of mars to understand it is hilarious. I bet even RTD didn't rewatch pyramids of mars when writing this one.
@@pipsdontlie3031 Y'know the Toymaker and Maestro that you just saw? Meet their Anubis daddy God of Death that they're terrified of. Done, not meaningless.
@@helamsirrine oh, of course!!! It's probably my favourite Tom Baker story, if not Classic story overall. No spoilers for others, but there's another nod to Pyramids of Mars this season so far.
Because Triad is an IT genius, and seemingly everywhere the Doctor goes, that they were going to discover they were living in a simulation. Then I remembered they've done that 2 too many times already.
Ok, maybe I'm a fan that looks and digs around rumours and everything but the reveal of Sutekh having been there almost the entire time that the Doctor and Ruby has been travelling together and even the possibility of Sutekh having been there for a while, to me, raises the stakes a little bit. Sutekh knows the Doctor and has managed to watch and hide from him for a long time. Along with the fact that since the star beast there has been reference to "The Boss" and "The one who waits" along with a few other hints that Sutekh is a problem. The fact that the toymaker was a task for even the Doctor to beat was meant to make the audience realise that Sutekh was a problem. It made me really excited to look back and see that there were possibly more hints than what was supposed to have been seen in the initial watch of the episodes. For me this ranked as my favourite episode so far of the series. 1. The Legend of Ruby Sunday 2. Devils Chord 3. Rogue 4. Boom 5. 73 Yards 6. Dot and Bubble 7. Space babies
Your entitled to your opinion which is what i watch reactions for but i politely disagree i think this is the strongest episode of the season. Sutekh the Destroyer is a villain from Classic Who and is one of the most popular villains of Dr. Who history who appeared in the Tom Baker story "Pyramids of Mars" and is voiced by the same actor Gabriel Woolf who is aged 92 this year.
What a fantastic episode. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. I thought Sutekh might be returning but I still felt the shock factor. I feel hugely empathetic towards Susan Triad; it seems that Sutekh completely used and possessed a very ordinary, very nice woman. Harriet's harbinger speech was bloody terrifying. Who is Mrs.Flood? She seemed evil here but there's just enough ambiguity, I think, to turn that around again. What if Flood is Susan and comes to save the day? But, only after letting her grandfather suffer with Sutekh a little bit for abandoning her!? She certainly seems to be a timelord since she spoke about "hiding away" in a way that mirrored the doctor's explanation of regeneration to Ruby. Also, the anagram thing: you have to remember that this show is for kids too. I LOVE the wordplay for younger audiences; it gets them thinking about language as well as narrative.
Last episode angry birds, this one a dog... i hope next episode garfield will make mondays dissapear, which again will make the Doctor cry ^^ Nah jokes besidde, i hope its something wrong with this Doctor... there was a small scene of him reminescenting the other "doctors/faces" and it only went backwards from Tennant first appearance, Jodie and Peter and i think Matt too were missing. But tbh David or even John Hart did more/better in one episode then Ncuti so far.
Do yourself a favor and record a reaction to "Pyramids of Mars" (Tom Baker) before the finale. It will show you who Sutekh the Destroyer is, and how he is "The one who waits.'. This was a perfect mix of Classic and Nu and now NuNu Who for me. I'm sure RTD will say he wrote this one for the fans. Hope he ties up the loose ends next week. And thanks for the amazingly fast upload!.
Nice! A bunch of grouchy comments around the web were honestly putting me off the idea of watching Pyramids of Mars, but I read yours and thought "hey maybe I will". Cheers.
@@Thomity watch it (maybe a react too?). It's fabulous. Okay, it's a story from the 70s so it is dated in places, but it's probably Tom Baker and Liz Sladen's finest story together.
@@Thomity One thing, don;t listen to the negative comments. Always make your own opinion on it and if you end up not liking something then it might still give you some knowledge for a future episode and you might be able to understand more nuanced jokes within an episode
I didn´t feel this episode much either. But Unit is not my favorite. They are a bit boring with all theire prestige and power. But maybe the next episode will save this one. Maybe this episode laid the foundation for the next one. I hope so. Because I feel a little dissapointed with this one, after so many great episodes in a row.
This was by far the best episode of the series (but that is not much of an achivement) but there was no context as to the reveal. The reveal itself, again, was underwhelming as to get the gravitas it should, I should prob know and feel horror of the said character. I dont unfortunately know the villan. Maybe my fault maybe not. Shame as I worry this will all be wrapped up rediculously quickly in the last episode.
You don't know any villain until you do. That's how characters work. Just because this character was in an episode in 1975 doesn't mean RTD expects the general audience to know that. He could be a completely new villain and it would have the same impact.
@@ennayanne Sometimes you do know the villain though. With the history of the show, some villains you do just know from either cultural impact, parody's, other media throughtout the years without actually seeing them in an episode. I remeber the "Great Intellegence" being an villan centriced episode and feeling the same. Your right, in a way and I do agree, that having a "new" but old villan used for a series finale is an absolute reasonable thing from RTD, just to me there was no real impact as I had not heard of the villan prior.
This is why modern who is no longer a good starting point. And even as a modern fan, there's no excuse not to have at least seen a few classic episodes
How is previous watching necessary? It explains everything you need to know in the episode. Fans like you are why potential new viewers don't end up watching, because you can't imagine someone not getting every single references and not "understanding previous stories" or something
@@wolfwarrior9451It draws attention to the Classic Era in all the best ways. Classic Who fans will see this and recommend that one serial where Sutekh was introduced and that’ll help shed a bit of light on how much of a threat he’ll be in next week’s finale.
Did you not see the VHS tape? It's called 'The Legend of Ruby Sunday'? Honestly, I think you approach these reactions wrong. You always seem to want to hate them.
To feel this way you either had very high expectations or never watched Classic Who. If you did watch the classic era and seen “Pyramids of Mars,” may I ask why you felt Sutekh’s reveal didn’t spark some sense of surprise?
@@LivingStoneWriter No I watched classic who, in fact I’m rewatching the Pyramids of Mars now as I haven’t seen it since the the 80’s when it was just Doctor Who, sans classic. This episode was all build up to a cliff hanger just let me cold, but may change my mind when I finish the rewatch.
@@wolfwarrior9451It really is a harsh way of putting it, but they’re not entirely wrong. You can watch Doctor Who from whatever point you jumped in the revival era and still be a Whovian, but “True Whovian” status is knowing the lore from the very beginning of 1963. 🙂
The way Susan Triad walked on dancing was very reminiscent of Theresa May walking on to Dancing Queen at the Tory Party Conference :DD
Glad im not the only one who thought that 😂
I cried with laughter! RTD made jokes about May and Sunak in one episode 😅
Sutekh the destroyer, villain from the 4th doctor’s era
Understandable for those who watched classic Who. Those such as myself... I personally didn't have a clue. I had to watch Pyramids of Mars afterwards to know who the villain was. Which to be honest has left me feeling slightly left out of the loop on this story arc. Great scary episode, but left confused afterwards. Now I know who the villain is- I understand. People who are new who era....will be left puzzled by the villain.
Yes
@@Sam-zu5mr I had heard theories of Sutekh's involvement, and decided to watch the episodes just in case. Mostly made the comment for anybody who didnt know who he is.
also by the sounds of it, it is The Beast 10 went against
@@livingcoffee_editsSame voice actor for both The Beast and Sutekh (both now and in the Seventies): Gabriel Woolf.
Gabriel Woolf was the voice actor for Sutekh in "The Pyramids of Mars" and RTD brought him back for The Beast in "The Impossibly Planet/Satan Pit" on the basis that he was the perfect voice for 'the devil'.
10:23 To be fair to Kate it was kinda the Doctor's fault. She told the soldier not to go investigate and the Doctor shut her down and told him to go. If he hadn't done that the solider likely wouldn't have died. So it made sense for Kate to be upset even though of course the Doctor didn't know that would happen to him.
Very true. Part of me just kinda wished Kate could act differently now that she's known the Doctor for so long, knows that he has a big heart and how dangerous his adventures are. But I guess I can respect her moment of outrage under the circumstances.
@@Thomity Jemma Redgrave gives us paragraphs of dialogue in that one look! I like to think that the look between them is private, but she wouldn't say what she was feeling in the moment in front of everyone out of respect for her long friendship with The Doctor.
@@ThomityIt just feels like you went into the episode expecting all the answers in the first part of a two part story, and were expecting to be disappointed
Im a classic who watcher, and when i saw his name i fell of my chair. I love how new who watchers have no idea who Sutekh is, its about time we classic who fans get something back. This is the best who episode in decades.
this episode was absolutely amazing, so enjoyable. so much tension and building up of action, all for an amazing 3-fold climax at the end. can’t wait for next week!!!
A gift to original series fans.
Not so much to anyone who has watched since 2005. I had absolutely no idea who Sutek was. So I binge watched "the pyramids of mars classic- to see who the villain was and his connection to the Doctor. Which as a finale... isn't great if the show is aimed at newer fans. I personally know who Sutek is now...I think for viewers who don't know....they could have explained this villain ABIT better.
@@Sam-zu5mr It's a two parter, I'm sure there's a "who's Sutekh" scene in part two. And I'd argue they introduced the "Gods" pantheon already in The Giggle and Devil's Chord, so new viewers have some idea of the concept in not specifically Sutekh.
@@Sam-zu5mrthere is a Tales of the Tardis covering Sutekh released before the finale next week.
@@Sam-zu5mr Dude, what? :D That's why it's a two parter. It will surely be explained in the next episode...
@@Sam-zu5mr what tells you they won't next episode tho ?
The Time Window looks like an updated version of the Space-Time Visualizer from the First Doctor story "The Chase".
I do think it's funny that the big reveal for our "New" era of the show is someone most fans of even New Who don't know, let alone the new new fans.
Chills though.
Was the same when the Master and Davros both returned during Russle’s first run.
@@thechosenone1566 yeah but A) They weren't in the first series, the Master waited till series 3 and Daveos till 4, and B) Davros and the Master weren't one-offs.
I'm not actually mad, I think it's a brilliant reveal but it's certainly an odd choice especially as the entire ending of the episode hinges on the reveal of Sutekh, somebody who is utterly meaningless to probably most of the fans watching. At least the Master wouldn't have been as unheard of in series 3 and Davros is connected to the Daleks.
If you watched the episode, you know who Sutekh is and exactly what he's about. No prior knowledge required. He's also a real Egyptian god, the idea that you need to have seen pyramids of mars to understand it is hilarious. I bet even RTD didn't rewatch pyramids of mars when writing this one.
@@pipsdontlie3031 Y'know the Toymaker and Maestro that you just saw? Meet their Anubis daddy God of Death that they're terrified of. Done, not meaningless.
New watchers will get used to all the regenerations of Doctors, adversaries, companions etc
Everyone needs to go back and watch The Pyramids of Mars, now.
now pretty sure the Tales of the Tardis episode featuring Ncuti and Millie set to air between now and the finale will feature Pyramids of Mars.
@@helamsirrine oh, of course!!! It's probably my favourite Tom Baker story, if not Classic story overall.
No spoilers for others, but there's another nod to Pyramids of Mars this season so far.
Also the Satan Pit since they're basically the same character
@@ennayanne I'm not sure if they are or not but it's a great thought. They're certainly both ancient evils trapped in a prison for eternity.
@ennayanne I don't think it's the same character, otherwise the Doctor would have said so.
Sutekh from the fantastic 4th Doctor story Pyramids of Mars. From the race called Osirans who predate (and are superior to) the Timelords.
Indeed
Honestly in Tom's Top 3 for me right with Genesis of the Daleks and City of Death
I LOVED it
Finally no Cybermen or Daleks or wheeping angels or Masters.
Because Triad is an IT genius, and seemingly everywhere the Doctor goes, that they were going to discover they were living in a simulation. Then I remembered they've done that 2 too many times already.
Sutekh is the same person voice wise from 1975 pyramid of Mars nice touch
Perhaps only the great beast is more powerful than Sutekh and one of the few adversaries the Doctor is truly terrified of.
I am so glad you don't care about the Ruby subplot. I feel the exact same way. I think 8 episodes is too short to tell this story the way they have
Ok, maybe I'm a fan that looks and digs around rumours and everything but the reveal of Sutekh having been there almost the entire time that the Doctor and Ruby has been travelling together and even the possibility of Sutekh having been there for a while, to me, raises the stakes a little bit. Sutekh knows the Doctor and has managed to watch and hide from him for a long time. Along with the fact that since the star beast there has been reference to "The Boss" and "The one who waits" along with a few other hints that Sutekh is a problem. The fact that the toymaker was a task for even the Doctor to beat was meant to make the audience realise that Sutekh was a problem. It made me really excited to look back and see that there were possibly more hints than what was supposed to have been seen in the initial watch of the episodes.
For me this ranked as my favourite episode so far of the series.
1. The Legend of Ruby Sunday
2. Devils Chord
3. Rogue
4. Boom
5. 73 Yards
6. Dot and Bubble
7. Space babies
Sutekh is an egyptian god y'know. And was a previous doctor villain. Your criticism is weird as hell for the first part of a two parter
Your entitled to your opinion which is what i watch reactions for but i politely disagree i think this is the strongest episode of the season.
Sutekh the Destroyer is a villain from Classic Who and is one of the most popular villains of Dr. Who history who appeared in the Tom Baker story "Pyramids of Mars" and is voiced by the same actor Gabriel Woolf who is aged 92 this year.
People of a certain age loved this, we screamed at the end when the villain appeared. Great episode 😊
We didn’t find out what bad Wolf was in bad Wolf
it took four years for that to finally make sense lol
Wow, You’re the first person I’ve ever heard who said that ‘Utopia’ is their very favourite episode ! 😅
What a fantastic episode. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. I thought Sutekh might be returning but I still felt the shock factor. I feel hugely empathetic towards Susan Triad; it seems that Sutekh completely used and possessed a very ordinary, very nice woman. Harriet's harbinger speech was bloody terrifying.
Who is Mrs.Flood? She seemed evil here but there's just enough ambiguity, I think, to turn that around again. What if Flood is Susan and comes to save the day? But, only after letting her grandfather suffer with Sutekh a little bit for abandoning her!? She certainly seems to be a timelord since she spoke about "hiding away" in a way that mirrored the doctor's explanation of regeneration to Ruby.
Also, the anagram thing: you have to remember that this show is for kids too. I LOVE the wordplay for younger audiences; it gets them thinking about language as well as narrative.
You are the only person to catch she was pointing at the TARDIS.
I enjoyed this episode, i did feel like they are setting Unit up for a spin off show, but all in all i was impressed
RIGHT WHY THE HELL HAS NO ONE WATCHED CLASSIC SERIES PYRAMIDS OF MARS 😡😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬👿👿👿👿👿
I think after we see the second part we’ll all think it was a great finale. 🤔
I have every hope and expectation of this! :)
does anyone else think ms flood is the real susan foreman or is that just me?
Last episode angry birds, this one a dog... i hope next episode garfield will make mondays dissapear, which again will make the Doctor cry ^^ Nah jokes besidde, i hope its something wrong with this Doctor... there was a small scene of him reminescenting the other "doctors/faces" and it only went backwards from Tennant first appearance, Jodie and Peter and i think Matt too were missing. But tbh David or even John Hart did more/better in one episode then Ncuti so far.
Watch tom Baker pyramids of Mars it's a old enemy
Do yourself a favor and record a reaction to "Pyramids of Mars" (Tom Baker) before the finale. It will show you who Sutekh the Destroyer is, and how he is "The one who waits.'.
This was a perfect mix of Classic and Nu and now NuNu Who for me. I'm sure RTD will say he wrote this one for the fans. Hope he ties up the loose ends next week.
And thanks for the amazingly fast upload!.
Nice! A bunch of grouchy comments around the web were honestly putting me off the idea of watching Pyramids of Mars, but I read yours and thought "hey maybe I will". Cheers.
@@Thomity watch it (maybe a react too?). It's fabulous. Okay, it's a story from the 70s so it is dated in places, but it's probably Tom Baker and Liz Sladen's finest story together.
@@Thomity One thing, don;t listen to the negative comments. Always make your own opinion on it and if you end up not liking something then it might still give you some knowledge for a future episode and you might be able to understand more nuanced jokes within an episode
I didn´t feel this episode much either. But Unit is not my favorite. They are a bit boring with all theire prestige and power. But maybe the next episode will save this one. Maybe this episode laid the foundation for the next one. I hope so. Because I feel a little dissapointed with this one, after so many great episodes in a row.
This was by far the best episode of the series (but that is not much of an achivement) but there was no context as to the reveal. The reveal itself, again, was underwhelming as to get the gravitas it should, I should prob know and feel horror of the said character. I dont unfortunately know the villan. Maybe my fault maybe not.
Shame as I worry this will all be wrapped up rediculously quickly in the last episode.
You don't know any villain until you do. That's how characters work. Just because this character was in an episode in 1975 doesn't mean RTD expects the general audience to know that. He could be a completely new villain and it would have the same impact.
@@ennayanne Sometimes you do know the villain though. With the history of the show, some villains you do just know from either cultural impact, parody's, other media throughtout the years without actually seeing them in an episode. I remeber the "Great Intellegence" being an villan centriced episode and feeling the same. Your right, in a way and I do agree, that having a "new" but old villan used for a series finale is an absolute reasonable thing from RTD, just to me there was no real impact as I had not heard of the villan prior.
This is why modern who is no longer a good starting point. And even as a modern fan, there's no excuse not to have at least seen a few classic episodes
Just to clarify -- I watched most of Classic Who when I was a kid. No specific memories of Sutekh though unfortunately.
How is previous watching necessary? It explains everything you need to know in the episode. Fans like you are why potential new viewers don't end up watching, because you can't imagine someone not getting every single references and not "understanding previous stories" or something
@@wolfwarrior9451It draws attention to the Classic Era in all the best ways. Classic Who fans will see this and recommend that one serial where Sutekh was introduced and that’ll help shed a bit of light on how much of a threat he’ll be in next week’s finale.
@TomTom2997 exactly! People can go watch, if they want! And they should haha, if they want
Did you not see the VHS tape? It's called 'The Legend of Ruby Sunday'? Honestly, I think you approach these reactions wrong. You always seem to want to hate them.
I was surprised that I really wasn’t that trilled with this episode. I just finished watching it. Meh
To feel this way you either had very high expectations or never watched Classic Who. If you did watch the classic era and seen “Pyramids of Mars,” may I ask why you felt Sutekh’s reveal didn’t spark some sense of surprise?
@@LivingStoneWriter No I watched classic who, in fact I’m rewatching the Pyramids of Mars now as I haven’t seen it since the the 80’s when it was just Doctor Who, sans classic. This episode was all build up to a cliff hanger just let me cold, but may change my mind when I finish the rewatch.
Sutekh will be another iconic Doctor Who character destroyed by left woke crap.
I hope they make him really gay and I get to see all you people crying about it for years to come
15:14 Mate, rest assured that if you were a true Whovian, you would've stained your pants brown alongside the Doctor.
True whovian? Really? No need to be rude
@@wolfwarrior9451It really is a harsh way of putting it, but they’re not entirely wrong. You can watch Doctor Who from whatever point you jumped in the revival era and still be a Whovian, but “True Whovian” status is knowing the lore from the very beginning of 1963. 🙂
@@LivingStoneWriteridk it just seems condescending
@@wolfwarrior9451 The only one being rude here is you, sir, for completely misinterpreting the tone of my post.
@@wolfwarrior9451 In certain context. But I don’t think this person meant to be rude. Just stating a fact. 🙂