Absolutely. This Christian is fair, honest and humble. He is the very same Christian who corrected Godwin about David pbuh being a prophet. That is because he is sincere and honest. May Allah guide him
The main reason is because the teachings are not clear and are very confusing mainly as taught by the churches and all heads of Christianity. Christians are not allowed to challenge nor question nor ask for evidence of the main beliefs. They are only told to "believe". Ask an average Muslim or Jew about their core beliefs and all will clearly tell you. Ask a number of average Christians and you get varying concepts some which are contradictory.
glad to say to two gentlemen in this very famous corner of the Hyde Park are having civilised discussion... And special thanks to brother shabir wa jazak Allah khair..
Honest man and very kind. Remember when the debate between ustaz adnan rashid and godwin..he show the prove from bible to godwin that david is a prophet..May allah s.w.t guide him to the truth..
MashAllah!!brother shabbir!! Allah(swt) has blessed you with a great mind!! Great love and respect for you and your entire team!! Jazāk Allāhu Khayran!!
Wonderful discussion! Hello, from Canada. I have just a couple of comments. Feel free to respond and correct any misunderstandings. As a constant, it is imperative that every word/phrase/idea in any writing, we use the context the subject is written in, rather than pulling it out of context and placing our own context around it (as I have witnessed an innumerable amount of times throughout my life). @ 37:50-38:05 ....... regardless of different English versions of the Bible using different words in Isaiah 53:10 (Life / or soul) the worst thing we can do is work backwards from English, using modern definitions to describe what is originally, one and the same.... meaning this: Since Isaiah comes from Hebrew, we use the Hebrew word.... and then go to English (not vice-versa). This word is: NEPHESH; a breathing creature, the essence of life, life, person. The inner person is NEPHESH, while the outer person, or reputation, is SHEM. Now, "... he shall see his seed": ZERA; sowing, seedtime, harvest, offspring, descendant(s), posterity. Correct me if I'm wrong (this is not meant to be offensive or distasteful), the presumption that the gentleman in this video seems to portray is that the "seed" being mentioned refers to that of whom the prophecy is referring to, as opposed to within the specific scripture, "Yet it pleased the LORD (YHVH)...". The question is this: Is the seed (offspring), YHVH's offspring as the context of this specific scripture implies, or the one being prophesied about, which this gentleman implies? Does YHVH have seed? Jeremiah 2:21 "Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed..." As a point here, does this mean we are switching from interpreting the prophecy literally, to figuratively, or rather, interpreting literally, a spiritual thing? Finally, "... he shall prolong his days..." ..... The question again is context.... who's days? The days of the one being prophesied of, or the subject immediately before it in the scripture..... his seed..... meaning.... he (YHVH) will prolong the days of his (YHVH's) seed (offspring). While I do agree with the gentleman in a certain sense about the way to interpret prophecy (not constantly switching back and forth from literal to figurative, as is seen so often to fit into organizational doctrines) I do can not agree that this is hard line rule to follow. He does mention a good argument whether or not a specific prophecy was fulfilled or still to be fulfilled based on different people fitting into the specific categories mentioned....... however, this could go on for eternity.... one man could fit a prophecy, we overlook that man, and the next, and the next.... constantly saying... well someone else might 'fit the bill'..... and I guess that's why we call it belief..... it is faith.... it is all faith..... we can discuss all we want, which is great... Love the video, but in the end we all choose our faith based on what we choose to believe in. May God bless all three gentleman speaking in this video. It is refreshing to see people who "raise their words, not their voices".
Historical Truth .... truly this is one of the most honest comment I have seen on SC videos. you actually watched the video, analyzed and comment your opinion. very educated and elegant style of review. May the master of all worlds guide us to true path. Amin. and keep up the history it is indeed very thought provoking discipline.. feel like you are 1000 years old. lol.
Alhamdulillah Brother Shabir Yusuf educated Mr Richard that in the bible already teach that jesus not die Hope Allah give HIDAYAH to Mr Richard malaysia❤️
Richard is one of the few honest and respectable Christians who would actually open his Bible instead of only preaching and giving his opinion.. May Allah guide him to the right path and bless him...
problem with richard is he adds too much "interpretation". Anytime his prophecy does not match, he says its not literal, and he is trying to "harmonize" with his biased thinking. But if it matches, he says its literal. Based on this he can match any prophecy to Jesus.
For some the truth might be right between their lips and yet they aren't able to taste it and for others, truth could be buried between two mountains and yet their hearts will seek it out. To have great people like Brother Shabir and so many other amazing Brothers doing Dawah at Hyde park, speakers corner, I pray and hope many non believers will be able to see the indisputable truth Islam is
I appreciate how sincere Richard was. The black Christian man was interrupting and Richard stopped him Everytime. It because Richard has his own intellect to deal with it not to be dictated by others. May Allah guide him.
REALLY HE WAS HONEST I SALUTE TO MY BROTHER BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PERSON WHO CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS BUT BEGAVE LIKE FOLLOWERS OF SATAN I PRAY TO ALLAH TO GUIDE YOU RIGHT PATH
brother shabir is absolutely amazing when allah guides allah swt guides with perfection. i was hoping richard would come to brother shabir for a discussion. shame about the person whom seems to keep interupting and he seems extremely arrogant ignorant and uses fasle info to justify his claims. i do recall he once said he was god. unbelivable. may allah reward you all and guide richard to the truth. Allah hu Alam
Sometimes the devil shows up to mix things up! i swear the way that guy was interrupting was strictly to sabotage the conversation! unfortunately for him Mr. Shabir's IQ far supersedes his
Richard is an example of a blind believer who's trying to deny the facts at the utmost. He believes in something that is not even clear to him, very much define of what a blind believer is.
...it's this aspect of being 'doomed', requiring to be saved and the threat of eternal punishment that bothers me the most. No mortal Judge would inflict this on you, so why would God require such a punishment? If your only crime was to follow the wrong religion, part of the fault surely lies with God not making it obvious enough. (I am unable to trust any man to tell me, it being so important and there being so many claims)If I was the Judge, I would look at what is in people's hearts and act accordingly. It only makes sense if God and the Devil are working on a quota , some being doomed no matter what they do......that makes no sense to me.
At 19:30... "Seed" in the Bible refers to the Spiritual Seed of the Gospel which when sown into the hearts of those seeking GOD, grows and matures into Christians who will again share the Gospel with others and sow more Spiritual Seed. This is the Great Commission commanded by Jesus. 1 Peter 1:23 "...for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring Word of God." 1 John 3:9 "No one who is born of God practices sin, because His Seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." Matthew 13:31-32 "He (Jesus) presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of Heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field..."
Where is the Hebrew word used in Isiah ever used in that context in the Bible? Every other usage I know of refers to biological offspring, and the word literally means sperm.
I like Richard, seems a very genuine person. Seems to listen rather then argue for the sake of the ego. Where is Richard now interested to see if his views have evolved even has taken interest in Islam?
na c, i hope this meeting will be a fruitful discussion between u and bro Shabir. If the flow ends up preaching, its no longer call discussion. I really wish u could come meet bro Shabir with an intention to share thoughts and views, so we, the audience can come to our senses and ponder upon it. cheers!
@Naz c PBWY. May we inform you that Br Shabir and the ATR team will be attending Hyde Park on Sunday 9 October 2016. We look forward to seeing you there.
Shabir and/or ATR, I wanted to ask you to take a look at 1 John 5:14-15 and let me know your thoughts. This should answer the idea, "just because God heard him doesn't mean God gave him what he asked for."
this the first time richard know Brother Shabir Yusuf May ALLAH GIVE HIDAYAH TO RRICHARD ALHAMDULILLAH THANK YOU TO BROTHER SHABIR YUSUF for the BRILLIANT DAWAH Malaysia ❤️
Richard- 1- Since Islam claims to teach the same message as previous prophets, please show where any Muslim prophet(s) before Jesus (and therefore before Muhammad) received a revelation from GOD saying that you could get into paradise through sincere belief, repentance, and good works. 2- This question has 3 parts: #1 Please provide what you consider to be Islam's key prophecies regarding the messiah to the Jews. #2 Why should the Jews have been convinced that Islam's Isa was, indeed, their long-awaited messiah? #3 How were these prophecies fulfilled by the prophet Isa? Thank you so much for taking the time to answer these questions. On behalf of the Christians in the Wednesday Evening Bible Study Group, we eagerly await your answers.
Does it matter what path they are following(Christian/Muslim/Buddhist etc) they seem to be on parallel paths, trying to lead just and good lives, as such, can't they both be right? It would be great if more people could follow the example shown in this video, of an open friendly discussion. I find it hard to condemn either side when they both display such reason.
Good point. There is so much commanlity between faiths. However Islam and Christianity have one extremely crucial difference. For the christian - you supposedly cannot be save d unless you accept that Jesus was God in flesh and died for your sins and that you take him as your lord. For the muslim - you cannot be saved if you worship any other than God and Jesus was a human and not God Hence; from the christian point of view, muslims are doomed. From the Islamic point of view christians may be ok if they don't worship Jesus as God and they may be doomed if they do. The key thing for both sides is that the way you relate to God is extremely important and not just how nice you are to each other on this earth - although that is essential as well. Peace
Christians are doomed. it seems G-d gave them a special dispensation : accept someone died for your sins and you have cart blanche to do as you please. G-d more or less gave Jews and Muslims the same message but in between he seems to change His mind.
every knee will bow and every tounge Will confess that JESUS Christ is LordEither as their saviour or lost and doomed bound for an eternity in hell thats a fact....
Funny too how the other Christian guy shows up and Richard says oh this is a conversation between us and the guy says "ok ill read this and leave" First he didnt keep his word and hung around bothering Richard from the truth. Shaytan doesnt want to lose a sensible Christian like Richard it would be a big fail on the side of Shaytan!!!!
if you didn't get what you wanted from God, how would you even know that he "heard" you? if Jesus asked for A but didn't get A, why would jesus say "you ALWAYS hear me..."
But it did come trueIn the Bible Isaiah 53 He is talking about our Lord Jesus ChristIsaiah 53:5And how he suffered from beating and whipAnd for every stripes we are healOur Lord Jesus Christ has choose to carry our sins.Our Lord Jesus Christ has choose to die of our sins Muhammad never sacrifices himself to anyone else sins But our Lord Jesus Christ who choose to dieBecause of our sinsIs the most important kind of loveIt a kind of love that only God himself can give
i think about it like this-, at the judgement when god is judging us , we are guilty of this and that, hate , murder etc the punishment for sin(any sin) is death. God says guilty and just before we are about to be put to death for our sin, gods son, Jesus pays the price for our sin and god excepts this sacrifice on our behalf. and viola, the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ, risen son of the living god!!
a question for brother shabir. a while ago you had a discussion with a guy called the rationalizer as its been a while there was a challenge set to him to find christians who can memorise the bible or part of it i asked a while ago as its been a while has there been any development in this has he been honest and atleast tried to fullfill the challenge that he arrogantly took up? im assuming the latter as ive never seen a christian fullfill there claims.
PBWY. Br Shabir has no issue in having a conversation with Sa Ra again as long as he allows Br Shabir to respond reasonably instead of the nonsense Sa Ra respectfully spouts.
All I know is, if a prophecy is a about Shabir n it described every bit of him n his life meaning 99% right but at the end the prophecy says he was black it nullified everything else. So Christians pls let go of this 1 Jesus no seeds no life prolonged wassalam
Isaiah 53 Could be about any prophet or revered person killed by the Jews or children of Israel. It seems to read like a guilt ridden confession that puts blame on all those who watched a good person attacked, tortured and killed but did nothing. It's a poetic mishmash of seeming metaphor and possible real events and to say it prophecies Jesus is to stretch the imagination.
Subhan"Allah. May Allah SWT bless and accept brother Shabir. What a nice courteous dialogue. I'd only like to give Richard one piece of advice, that is , you need to be more objective than try to stretch facts to imaginary suit your reliegon. One way is to go into prostration and pray that the Almighty can guide you to the truth.
What I just Heard, seen and witnessed throughout this Upload was an Epic Destruction of Christianity's Foundation by a Bulldozer by the name of Shapir.
"I AM THE PATIENT ONE!" Lollll Hilarious joke, Ya Shabir. May Allah bless you, your family, and all else with mercy, knowledge, and the ability to accept the truth. May Allah grant us all His Jannah.
@djayawarman alamprabu, Having a interpretation there is nothing wrong with it. We Muslims even have many times our own individual interpretations of the Qur'an. This brother (Richard) is doing something on the same level as we Muslims do. We Muslims say, we interpret something like this, but i could be wrong. This brother is doing the same with the Bible. He interpret something, but also acknowledges that he might be wrong. This is always a good step towards searching for the truth/discussion, because you do not cling to your own interpretation to be the truth. Many Christian brother sadly cling on their interpretation as the ONLY truth and there is nothing that contradicts their interpretation. This you can see with that Nigerian brother. He clings on his interpretation and refuses to read what is being told by the evidence it self. May Allah guide them both and us as well.
Wait...Shabbir and Saabir are different. Shabbir is a Muslim name for boys meaning Beautiful, Virtuous; A title of Hussain, Grandson of the Prophet Mohummad (saw). Saabir is Patient One.
Alhoumdulilah I thought this would be the same type bad behavior christian but I wanted to learn from the title so I was intrigued and Mashallah Richard is a Muslim in his heart may Allah make him a Muslim by declaring shahada....Maybe he is already inshallah!!!
Isaiah 53 makes it clear the person spoken of dies: like a lamb to the slaughter (v7) & cut off out of the land of the living (v8) & assigned a GRAVE .... and with a rich man in His death (v9) & poured out His life unto death (v12). V 10 offspring means spiritual offspring, ie, Christians. He shall prolong His life means through his offspring or through the Christians. Christians have Christ Jesus living inside them, we are his children. Christian means "little Christs". Thus he is alive in us. So his days are prolonged through us his offspring. The author in Hebrews records in chap2:9 that Jesus suffered death. He's not saying the opposite in chap 5:7. Jesus wasn't rescued from death but OUT of death. It says He was obedient to the death of the cross (Phil 2:8), and Hebrews 5:8 says he learned obedience thru what he suffered. By "out of death" I mean Jesus knew he was going to be separated from the Father which to Him was DEATH. He was praying to be delivered from this separation as it also meant he would go down to hades. The Father answered his prayer and raised him from the dead. Out of death means death could not hold him, hades could not hold him! The Father answered Jesus' prayer! He ALWAYS heard his prayers! He was raised bodily as the disciples saw him. If the disciples didn't see him raised from the dead they wouldn't have died a martyrs death. Peter describes what happened during those few days Jesus was dead 1Peter 3:18+. Peter died a martyr because he witnessed the death & resurrection of Jesus. Would any of his disciples really die for a lie?
Brother Shabir, I would like to clarify that your name means 'beautuful or honest'. It's the title of Imam Hussain as Hasan and Hussain were also called Shabbar and Shabbir. Sabir is different from Shabbir. Sabir means the patient one that originates from Sabr. Please take care. You are a wonderful person. May Allah bless you with more knowledge!
It starts off about Israel. If you keep reading it flows into speaking about a person. With the All Mighty there isn't any time. Time does not affect The Most High. To God one day is like a thousand years and vice versa. That is why God Most High can be from the ancient of days and the future as well as the present. The man with the glasses thinks that God Most High is like a man in that he can only act in the here and now.
Islam is teaching that when JESUS returns He will join Islam and the war against mankind which will be done by them:))They say that JESUS will return as a human and will be a Muslim:)) But this JESUS told Pontius Pilate that His Kingdom is NOT of this world and that He will be the KING in Heaven not on earth. To say that the scriptures in Isaiah 53 are saying that JESUS will have human offspring is utterly ridiculous. So,what does it mean than? The word offspring applies to all who are born of the Spirit.They are the chosen ones and they also suffer persecution like Jesus before they are with Jesus.So,these faithful humans get immortality in Heaven.These are the mighty ones for they have endured to the end.
LOL, have you read revelations where jesus is coming to slaughter 90% of humanity and keep only those who follow him. 7 years of tribulation in the clouds with his minions gorging on burgers and diet coke while watching the world incinerate before he comes down to kill the rest. study your bible dear.
We know Isaiah 53 is all prophecies about Jesus specifically because every one of these were fulfilled in Jesus at once and the same time in Jesus. Obviously, before and after Jesus, there have been no others who fulfilled all the prophecies. Matthew 2:23 "and he(Joseph) went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that He(Jesus) would be called a Nazarene." The Greek word used here is 'nazoraios', meaning a person from Nazareth, a rough and sinful place in the time of Jesus. This fulfills Isaiah 53:3, "He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain." As John 1:46 says, "Nathanael heard that Jesus was from Nazareth, he asked: “Can any good thing come out of Nazareth?”". That Jesus was from Nazareth was a strike against Him being the Messiah. Curiously, as the Resurrected and Ascended Jesus said in His conversation with Saul on the road to Damascus, Jesus identified himself as “Jesus of Nazareth” (Acts 22:8). Yes, Good DID come out of Nazareth. As for Isaiah 53: 1) "Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, 2) and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, 3) he will see his offspring and prolong his days, 4) and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand." So, 1) "Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer" Yes, obviously. 2) "and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin" Yes, He was the propitiation for our sins. 3) "he will see his offspring and prolong his days" Jesus is GOD. The offspring of GOD in Jesus Christ are us, His children. Of course the days of Jesus are prolonged. Through His Spirit He lives inside each of us who calls Him Lord. 4) "and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand." Yes, Jesus accomplished all that His Father Willed Him to do.
Ah finally... a person who wants to have an honest and proper discussion. Both did great, was nice to listen to both sides.
A reasonable Christian...
Wonderful discussions unlike most of the other discussions with Christians
Absolutely. This Christian is fair, honest and humble. He is the very same Christian who corrected Godwin about David pbuh being a prophet. That is because he is sincere and honest. May Allah guide him
may Allah give hidayah to this cristian
The main reason is because the teachings are not clear and are very confusing mainly as taught by the churches and all heads of Christianity. Christians are not allowed to challenge nor question nor ask for evidence of the main beliefs. They are only told to "believe". Ask an average Muslim or Jew about their core beliefs and all will clearly tell you. Ask a number of average Christians and you get varying concepts some which are contradictory.
Massive respect brother Shabir!
Thanks,
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How to contact Brother Shabir?
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Nice discussion by br Shabir and Richard very professional.
Thanks for the video.
Exactly Olive Green
Shabir explains flawlessly
You're right √
Honest and logical Christian.
Very good talk may Allah guide him to true path.
may Allah guide br richard to the thruth....
glad to say to two gentlemen in this very famous corner of the Hyde Park are having civilised discussion...
And special thanks to brother shabir wa jazak Allah khair..
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Very easy to follow the debate when it is conducted in this way
Exactly Just Bob √
Speakers in the park should learn how to make a conversation
from these two kind people.
Good video, thanks for uploading.
Honest man and very kind. Remember when the debate between ustaz adnan rashid and godwin..he show the prove from bible to godwin that david is a prophet..May allah s.w.t guide him to the truth..
I love Richard.. May Allah leads his way.. :)
Adam امين
May Allah swt guide Richard. :( I hope he accepts Islam. Pls brothers make dua for him.
Abd in sha Allah ameen
MashAllah!!brother shabbir!! Allah(swt) has blessed you with a great mind!! Great love and respect for you and your entire team!!
Jazāk Allāhu Khayran!!
Ameen.
awesome discussion awesome ending now we can definitely move on to the nex chapter.
great discussion.....jazakallahkhairan......
Wonderful discussion! Hello, from Canada. I have just a couple of comments. Feel free to respond and correct any misunderstandings.
As a constant, it is imperative that every word/phrase/idea in any writing, we use the context the subject is written in, rather than pulling it out of context and placing our own context around it (as I have witnessed an innumerable amount of times throughout my life).
@ 37:50-38:05 ....... regardless of different English versions of the Bible using different words in Isaiah 53:10 (Life / or soul) the worst thing we can do is work backwards from English, using modern definitions to describe what is originally, one and the same.... meaning this: Since Isaiah comes from Hebrew, we use the Hebrew word.... and then go to English (not vice-versa).
This word is: NEPHESH; a breathing creature, the essence of life, life, person. The inner person is NEPHESH, while the outer person, or reputation, is SHEM.
Now, "... he shall see his seed": ZERA; sowing, seedtime, harvest, offspring, descendant(s), posterity.
Correct me if I'm wrong (this is not meant to be offensive or distasteful), the presumption that the gentleman in this video seems to portray is that the "seed" being mentioned refers to that of whom the prophecy is referring to, as opposed to within the specific scripture, "Yet it pleased the LORD (YHVH)...".
The question is this: Is the seed (offspring), YHVH's offspring as the context of this specific scripture implies, or the one being prophesied about, which this gentleman implies?
Does YHVH have seed? Jeremiah 2:21 "Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed..."
As a point here, does this mean we are switching from interpreting the prophecy literally, to figuratively, or rather, interpreting literally, a spiritual thing?
Finally, "... he shall prolong his days..." ..... The question again is context.... who's days? The days of the one being prophesied of, or the subject immediately before it in the scripture..... his seed..... meaning.... he (YHVH) will prolong the days of his (YHVH's) seed (offspring).
While I do agree with the gentleman in a certain sense about the way to interpret prophecy (not constantly switching back and forth from literal to figurative, as is seen so often to fit into organizational doctrines) I do can not agree that this is hard line rule to follow. He does mention a good argument whether or not a specific prophecy was fulfilled or still to be fulfilled based on different people fitting into the specific categories mentioned....... however, this could go on for eternity.... one man could fit a prophecy, we overlook that man, and the next, and the next.... constantly saying... well someone else might 'fit the bill'..... and I guess that's why we call it belief..... it is faith.... it is all faith..... we can discuss all we want, which is great... Love the video, but in the end we all choose our faith based on what we choose to believe in.
May God bless all three gentleman speaking in this video. It is refreshing to see people who "raise their words, not their voices".
Historical Truth .... truly this is one of the most honest comment I have seen on SC videos. you actually watched the video, analyzed and comment your opinion. very educated and elegant style of review. May the master of all worlds guide us to true path. Amin. and keep up the history it is indeed very thought provoking discipline.. feel like you are 1000 years old. lol.
Great job Historical truth
one thing I love about brother shabir is his patience. and he listens, If it was me I will be answering before he asks the question.
Alhamdulillah
Brother Shabir Yusuf educated Mr Richard that in the bible already teach that jesus not die
Hope Allah give HIDAYAH to Mr Richard
malaysia❤️
Ameen
Richard is one of the few honest and respectable Christians who would actually open his Bible instead of only preaching and giving his opinion.. May Allah guide him to the right path and bless him...
Another masterclass from Shabir,really likes this video.Jazzak Allah.
Richard, you're good. Listening and trying to understand.
may Allah guide richard to islam
Why?
Whos allah?
@@truebeliever9474 because of his sincerity he usually exhibit in most of his engagement with others
problem with richard is he adds too much "interpretation". Anytime his prophecy does not match, he says its not literal, and he is trying to "harmonize" with his biased thinking. But if it matches, he says its literal. Based on this he can match any prophecy to Jesus.
Beautiful and honest discussion. Rational and reasonable without shouting.
Excellent Discussion between the two ,,
Subhan'Allah what a fruitful conversation.
For some the truth might be right between their lips and yet they aren't able to taste it and for others, truth could be buried between two mountains and yet their hearts will seek it out. To have great people like Brother Shabir and so many other amazing Brothers doing Dawah at Hyde park, speakers corner, I pray and hope many non believers will be able to see the indisputable truth Islam is
If brother Shabir had been in 'Council of Nicea' then Christianity wouldn't have existed.😀
JZK for the video .
May ALLAH have mercy on brother shabir, he was very respectful and patient..ALLAH gave him good understanding.
please more debate like this than shouting over each other and not being reasonable.
The brother behind Richard is a sincere man. He was quiet all along and listening to the arguments being laid
Richard was very humble, but wasn’t honest enough.
I am pretty sure Richard going to be muslim if not today then down couple of years. God willing!!
truth Insha'Allah. ..Ameeen!
God is Spirit and you must worship in Him in Spirit and in Truth. The Most High doesn't talk or think like a man.
Shabir is SPOT ON...about tasting death
Amazing video. Jazak Allah Khair.
I appreciate how sincere Richard was. The black Christian man was interrupting and Richard stopped him Everytime. It because Richard has his own intellect to deal with it not to be dictated by others. May Allah guide him.
Ameen
I like when Bro shabir stated that his name was actually spelt with an ص instead of ش 😍
best discussion ever....
REALLY HE WAS HONEST I SALUTE TO MY BROTHER BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PERSON WHO CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS BUT BEGAVE LIKE FOLLOWERS OF SATAN I PRAY TO ALLAH TO GUIDE YOU RIGHT PATH
The Father is all knowing. The Holy Spirit do not know the hour and the son too do not know the hour.
brother shabir is absolutely amazing when allah guides allah swt guides with perfection. i was hoping richard would come to brother shabir for a discussion. shame about the person whom seems to keep interupting and he seems extremely arrogant ignorant and uses fasle info to justify his claims. i do recall he once said he was god. unbelivable. may allah reward you all and guide richard to the truth. Allah hu Alam
Ameen
Ameen.
Sometimes the devil shows up to mix things up! i swear the way that guy was interrupting was strictly to sabotage the conversation! unfortunately for him Mr. Shabir's IQ far supersedes his
Respect to the christian bro.
Richard is an example of a blind believer who's trying to deny the facts at the utmost.
He believes in something that is not even clear to him, very much define of what a blind believer is.
...it's this aspect of being 'doomed', requiring to be saved and the threat of eternal punishment that bothers me the most. No mortal Judge would inflict this on you, so why would God require such a punishment? If your only crime was to follow the wrong religion, part of the fault surely lies with God not making it obvious enough. (I am unable to trust any man to tell me, it being so important and there being so many claims)If I was the Judge, I would look at what is in people's hearts and act accordingly. It only makes sense if God and the Devil are working on a quota , some being doomed no matter what they do......that makes no sense to me.
Brother Shabir is a legend. And the chistan brother was honest unlike most of the christans
At 19:30...
"Seed" in the Bible refers to the Spiritual Seed of the Gospel which when sown into the hearts of those seeking GOD, grows and matures into Christians who will again share the Gospel with others and sow more Spiritual Seed. This is the Great Commission commanded by Jesus.
1 Peter 1:23
"...for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring Word of God."
1 John 3:9
"No one who is born of God practices sin, because His Seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
Matthew 13:31-32
"He (Jesus) presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of Heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field..."
Where is the Hebrew word used in Isiah ever used in that context in the Bible? Every other usage I know of refers to biological offspring, and the word literally means sperm.
Where is brother Shabbir these days? Haven't seen any of his new videos recently
I like Richard, seems a very genuine person. Seems to listen rather then argue for the sake of the ego.
Where is Richard now interested to see if his views have evolved even has taken interest in Islam?
oh no!..it is that confused Christian again! (29:54)
LOL!!
are'nt they all?
'Excellent I agree with you' and then Mr Shabir's counter agrument destroys every angle of the Bible.
hahaha
'naz c' we look forward to you coming for discussion. When can you come to Hyde Park? Please let us know.
Inshallah 2nd of August
october izit? haha
next year? hehe
na c, i hope this meeting will be a fruitful discussion between u and bro Shabir. If the flow ends up preaching, its no longer call discussion. I really wish u could come meet bro Shabir with an intention to share thoughts and views, so we, the audience can come to our senses and ponder upon it. cheers!
@Naz c PBWY. May we inform you that Br Shabir and the ATR team will be attending Hyde Park on Sunday 9 October 2016. We look forward to seeing you there.
eager to see Richard to accept the truth of Islam Inshallah
Shabir and/or ATR, I wanted to ask you to take a look at 1 John 5:14-15 and let me know your thoughts. This should answer the idea, "just because God heard him doesn't mean God gave him what he asked for."
this the first time richard know Brother Shabir Yusuf
May ALLAH GIVE HIDAYAH TO RRICHARD
ALHAMDULILLAH
THANK YOU TO
BROTHER SHABIR YUSUF for the BRILLIANT DAWAH
Malaysia ❤️
What intro song is that? It's sick!
That African gay diverting attention of discussion.
Richard-
1- Since Islam claims to teach the same message as previous prophets, please show where any Muslim prophet(s) before Jesus (and therefore before Muhammad) received a revelation from GOD saying that you could get into paradise through sincere belief, repentance, and good works.
2- This question has 3 parts:
#1 Please provide what you consider to be Islam's key prophecies regarding the messiah to the Jews.
#2 Why should the Jews have been convinced that Islam's Isa was, indeed, their long-awaited messiah?
#3 How were these prophecies fulfilled by the prophet Isa?
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer these questions.
On behalf of the Christians in the Wednesday Evening Bible Study Group, we eagerly await your answers.
Gentleman Richard wasn’t honest enough.
Pray for him. Its hard to change beliefs.
Does it matter what path they are following(Christian/Muslim/Buddhist etc) they seem to be on parallel paths, trying to lead just and good lives, as such, can't they both be right? It would be great if more people could follow the example shown in this video, of an open friendly discussion. I find it hard to condemn either side when they both display such reason.
Good point. There is so much commanlity between faiths. However Islam and Christianity have one extremely crucial difference.
For the christian - you supposedly cannot be save d unless you accept that Jesus was God in flesh and died for your sins and that you take him as your lord.
For the muslim - you cannot be saved if you worship any other than God and Jesus was a human and not God
Hence; from the christian point of view, muslims are doomed.
From the Islamic point of view christians may be ok if they don't worship Jesus as God and they may be doomed if they do.
The key thing for both sides is that the way you relate to God is extremely important and not just how nice you are to each other on this earth - although that is essential as well.
Peace
Christians are doomed. it seems G-d gave them a special dispensation : accept someone died for your sins and you have cart blanche to do as you please. G-d more or less gave Jews and Muslims the same message but in between he seems to change His mind.
Someone mangled the message of Jesus a messenger of G-d
every knee will bow and every tounge Will confess that JESUS Christ is LordEither as their saviour or lost and doomed bound for an eternity in hell thats a fact....
It is not a fact - it is just your belief.
two nice people
حقاً اسم على مسمى ur really sabir
Did this conversation happened again p2
Funny too how the other Christian guy shows up and Richard says oh this is a conversation between us and the guy says "ok ill read this and leave" First he didnt keep his word and hung around bothering Richard from the truth. Shaytan doesnt want to lose a sensible Christian like Richard it would be a big fail on the side of Shaytan!!!!
if you didn't get what you wanted from God, how would you even know that he "heard" you? if Jesus asked for A but didn't get A, why would jesus say "you ALWAYS hear me..."
Ma sha Allah tabark Allah :)
But it did come trueIn the Bible Isaiah 53 He is talking about our Lord Jesus ChristIsaiah 53:5And how he suffered from beating and whipAnd for every stripes we are healOur Lord Jesus Christ has choose to carry our sins.Our Lord Jesus Christ has choose to die of our sins
Muhammad never sacrifices himself to anyone else sins
But our Lord Jesus Christ who choose to dieBecause of our sinsIs the most important kind of loveIt a kind of love that only God himself can give
I never understood the concept of 'dying for others sin"....and why did he die for our sins?? and if he did, are we sin free?
i think about it like this-, at the judgement when god is judging us , we are guilty of this and that, hate , murder etc the punishment for sin(any sin) is death. God says guilty and just before we are about to be put to death for our sin, gods son, Jesus pays the price for our sin and god excepts this sacrifice on our behalf. and viola, the gift of salvation through Jesus Christ, risen son of the living god!!
brother in the back look like beatlejuice from howard stern
a question for brother shabir. a while ago you had a discussion with a guy called the rationalizer as its been a while there was a challenge set to him to find christians who can memorise the bible or part of it i asked a while ago as its been a while has there been any development in this has he been honest and atleast tried to fullfill the challenge that he arrogantly took up? im assuming the latter as ive never seen a christian fullfill there claims.
He never came with anyone for that challenge, we are still waiting.
PBWY. Br Shabir has no issue in having a conversation with Sa Ra again as long as he allows Br Shabir to respond reasonably instead of the nonsense Sa Ra respectfully spouts.
All I know is, if a prophecy is a about Shabir n it described every bit of him n his life meaning 99% right but at the end the prophecy says he was black it nullified everything else. So Christians pls let go of this 1 Jesus no seeds no life prolonged wassalam
is this reupload?
Isaiah 53
Could be about any prophet or revered person killed by the Jews or children of Israel. It seems to read like a guilt ridden confession that puts blame on all those who watched a good person attacked, tortured and killed but did nothing.
It's a poetic mishmash of seeming metaphor and possible real events and to say it prophecies Jesus is to stretch the imagination.
Subhan"Allah. May Allah SWT bless and accept brother Shabir. What a nice courteous dialogue. I'd only like to give Richard one piece of advice, that is , you need to be more objective than try to stretch facts to imaginary suit your reliegon. One way is to go into prostration and pray that the Almighty can guide you to the truth.
in sha Allah richard will be Akhi
where i can find this brother syaber?? any link??
His name is Shabir Yusuf. He mostly comes to speakers corner to debate.
What I just Heard, seen and witnessed throughout this Upload was an Epic Destruction of Christianity's Foundation by a Bulldozer by the name of Shapir.
Good
"I AM THE PATIENT ONE!" Lollll Hilarious joke, Ya Shabir. May Allah bless you, your family, and all else with mercy, knowledge, and the ability to accept the truth. May Allah grant us all His Jannah.
Isiah 53 is talking about the nation of israel
Great discussion but the christian fellow puts too many of his own interpretation on the bible verses and failed to see the verses as it is.
@djayawarman alamprabu, Having a interpretation there is nothing wrong with it. We Muslims even have many times our own individual interpretations of the Qur'an. This brother (Richard) is doing something on the same level as we Muslims do.
We Muslims say, we interpret something like this, but i could be wrong. This brother is doing the same with the Bible. He interpret something, but also acknowledges that he might be wrong.
This is always a good step towards searching for the truth/discussion, because you do not cling to your own interpretation to be the truth.
Many Christian brother sadly cling on their interpretation as the ONLY truth and there is nothing that contradicts their interpretation. This you can see with that Nigerian brother. He clings on his interpretation and refuses to read what is being told by the evidence it self.
May Allah guide them both and us as well.
Shabir I like you wlhi bro❤🇸🇴
it´s not like there is only one prophecy that was fulfilled in jesus ....
also look at the many other ones...
Wait...Shabbir and Saabir are different. Shabbir is a Muslim name for boys meaning Beautiful, Virtuous; A title of Hussain, Grandson of the Prophet Mohummad (saw). Saabir is Patient One.
Alhoumdulilah I thought this would be the same type bad behavior christian but I wanted to learn from the title so I was intrigued and Mashallah Richard is a Muslim in his heart may Allah make him a Muslim by declaring shahada....Maybe he is already inshallah!!!
Isaiah 53 makes it clear the person spoken of dies: like a lamb to the slaughter (v7) & cut off out of the land of the living (v8) & assigned a GRAVE .... and with a rich man in His death (v9) & poured out His life unto death (v12). V 10 offspring means spiritual offspring, ie, Christians. He shall prolong His life means through his offspring or through the Christians. Christians have Christ Jesus living inside them, we are his children. Christian means "little Christs". Thus he is alive in us. So his days are prolonged through us his offspring. The author in Hebrews records in chap2:9 that Jesus suffered death. He's not saying the opposite in chap 5:7. Jesus wasn't rescued from death but OUT of death. It says He was obedient to the death of the cross (Phil 2:8), and Hebrews 5:8 says he learned obedience thru what he suffered. By "out of death" I mean Jesus knew he was going to be separated from the Father which to Him was DEATH. He was praying to be delivered from this separation as it also meant he would go down to hades. The Father answered his prayer and raised him from the dead. Out of death means death could not hold him, hades could not hold him! The Father answered Jesus' prayer! He ALWAYS heard his prayers! He was raised bodily as the disciples saw him. If the disciples didn't see him raised from the dead they wouldn't have died a martyrs death. Peter describes what happened during those few days Jesus was dead 1Peter 3:18+. Peter died a martyr because he witnessed the death & resurrection of Jesus. Would any of his disciples really die for a lie?
Richard in your effort to harmonize the scripture u turn the horse into a donkey!!
Do Jesus have the 99 names given to Allah the Almighty God?
No.
Jesus can never be Al-Malik (The Eternal Lord) which is one of names of Allah.
Brother Shabir, I would like to clarify that your name means 'beautuful or honest'. It's the title of Imam Hussain as Hasan and Hussain were also called Shabbar and Shabbir. Sabir is different from Shabbir. Sabir means the patient one that originates from Sabr. Please take care. You are a wonderful person. May Allah bless you with more knowledge!
Sabr mean patience
Richard sounds like he's on fast forward. Knock off Daniel Radcliffe almost in voice and appearance.
It starts off about Israel. If you keep reading it flows into speaking about a person. With the All Mighty there isn't any time. Time does not affect The Most High. To God one day is like a thousand years and vice versa. That is why God Most High can be from the ancient of days and the future as well as the present. The man with the glasses thinks that God Most High is like a man in that he can only act in the here and now.
With my outstretched arm (by my strength) I led you out of Egypt. The man with the glasses doesn't even know the Bible so how can he say anything?
Prophecy not propheciy.
MashaAllah
Islam is teaching that when JESUS returns He will join Islam and the war against mankind which will be done by them:))They say that JESUS will return as a human and will be a Muslim:)) But this JESUS told Pontius Pilate that His Kingdom is NOT of this world and that He will be the KING in Heaven not on earth.
To say that the scriptures in Isaiah 53 are saying that JESUS will have human offspring is utterly ridiculous. So,what does it mean than? The word offspring applies to all who are born of the Spirit.They are the chosen ones and they also suffer persecution like Jesus before they are with Jesus.So,these faithful humans get immortality in Heaven.These are the mighty ones for they have endured to the end.
LOL, have you read revelations where jesus is coming to slaughter 90% of humanity and keep only those who follow him. 7 years of tribulation in the clouds with his minions gorging on burgers and diet coke while watching the world incinerate before he comes down to kill the rest. study your bible dear.
Dont turn away from Lord Jesus Christ🙏😭🥺
We love The Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) as a Mighty Messenger of God
We don't turn away from any prophet of God
36:18..😆😂🤣
We know Isaiah 53 is all prophecies about Jesus specifically because every one of these were fulfilled in Jesus at once and the same time in Jesus. Obviously, before and after Jesus, there have been no others who fulfilled all the prophecies.
Matthew 2:23 "and he(Joseph) went and lived in a town called Nazareth. So was fulfilled what was said through the prophets, that He(Jesus) would be called a Nazarene." The Greek word used here is 'nazoraios', meaning a person from Nazareth, a rough and sinful place in the time of Jesus. This fulfills Isaiah 53:3, "He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain." As John 1:46 says, "Nathanael heard that Jesus was from Nazareth, he asked: “Can any good thing come out of Nazareth?”". That Jesus was from Nazareth was a strike against Him being the Messiah. Curiously, as the Resurrected and Ascended Jesus said in His conversation with Saul on the road to Damascus, Jesus identified himself as “Jesus of Nazareth” (Acts 22:8). Yes, Good DID come out of Nazareth.
As for Isaiah 53:
1) "Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
2) and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
3) he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
4) and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand."
So,
1) "Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer" Yes, obviously.
2) "and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin" Yes, He was the propitiation for our sins.
3) "he will see his offspring and prolong his days" Jesus is GOD. The offspring of GOD in Jesus Christ are us, His children.
Of course the days of Jesus are prolonged. Through His Spirit He lives inside each of us who calls Him Lord.
4) "and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand." Yes, Jesus accomplished all that His Father Willed Him to do.