Historical Costumer reviews A Discovery Of Witches Season 2
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Season 2 of "A Discovery Of Witches" is set in 1590 Elizabethan England, and since I already loved season 1, I just had to review the costumes! This unique show, and the books that it's based on, include everything you could want in historical fantasy : Vampires, witches, demons, romance, political intrigue, and time travel-- and both the writer and main character are historians! So are the late Renaissance costumes historically accurate, and does it even matter if they are? I watched all of Season 2 and compared the costuming to 1590s portraits and extant garments to find out. There were all kinds of surprising little details that set this show apart, including embroidery, headwear, and the show's handling of corsetry, and just like Season 1 it was a delight to watch.
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I played Henry Percy in Season 2 and the videos and photographs of the costumes truly don't do them justice; as wonderful as they look, seeing them in person was marvellous. A deleted scene I was in had some extras playing emissaries from the middle-east and their costumes were fantastic, the costumes of many of the extras had just as much detail put into them as the leading actors' costumes.
I love this show, and so cool that an actor commented!
Oh yes, we've all used household fabrics at some point. When I was a performer at my local Ren faire, there was an ongoing joke that we were all ambulatory couches, because our garb fabric was predominately from the upholstery section at Hancock Fabrics, RIP.
Oh gosh, I remember that place from when I was tiny! 😂😭
💫❤ It was truly a balm to see that dressing scene and all of those details. I did notice that most of the innacuracies were in Vampire dress so I self justified that their long lives give some disdain to the shifting ephemera. They do what they need to blend but keep to what they like. Cause of course vampires love leather right?🙂
That they are vampires is exactly the reason that works for me as wall^^
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Deborah Harkness donated her family heirlooms of lace and linen for the season 2 costumes.
V: *mentions making historical garments out of household textiles*
Me: *wearing pockets made of bedsheet scraps* I feel called out XD
Anopano3000 Me: there are garments NOT made out of household textiles? XD
Oooh! I was hoping someone from CosTube would do a review of this series. I love that the getting dressed scenes in the book are so detailed, and I am so happy that the screen adaptation gave the costume department a chance to show off actual period expertise. I'm not fussed about Gallowglass running around in all leather even though it's not entirely appropriate. Part of his character expression is through his rather iconoclastic dress regardless of time period. I was a bit more surprised about Matthew's styling, because in the books his dress is much more in line with what would be expected of someone of his status. I'm a bit disappointed that he didn't show up in full Elizabethan glory. I haven't seen all of the episodes, but am looking forward to them!
Hooray for a getting dressed scene without corsetry tropes! Thanks for the video.
They're a rare thing, and should not be. Glad your enjoyed!
Thank you for your review! I'd started watching series 2 of A Discovery of Witches and thought that the costumes looked to be right on track, but couldn't say that with absolute certainty. So, thank you for confirming that they costume designers of the program did in fact do their homework.
Thank you! I was just waiting for someone to comment on A Discovery of Witches, since I've seen the dressing scene in season 2 and got very excited about the accuracy. I'm kind of hoping for Bernadette Banner and Micarah Tewers to review this too... This is an awesome video.
*Adds book to giant 'to read' list* Ooooh! You had me at 'actually getting dressed correctly'! Thank you for the review and the recommendation!
I'm definitely not rereading all the books now . . . nope, don't know what you're talking about 😇
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Love the video.
A detail I loved is one of the mornings at Sept Tours, when the woman helping Diana get dressed picks up the pair of bodies and they have a super long lacing cord.
Ok, I need to go and re-watch this now.
Amazing review, thank you so much! I was waiting for someone to do this.
I totally agree with the trousers of Matthew (well I have to, as I'm not a historian...) but I'm a little sad that you didn't mention his leather Jacket is a duplicate of a real existing one which is dated back to that time period. I think this is an awesome pease of work.
I *LOVED* the second season of ADoW!
I feel like this & especially ‘Emma’ are **proof** that accuracy in historical dramas (or, at least a stronger attempt at it) _is_ possible - while not 💯% accurate, I didn’t really feel anything overly anachronistic or unrealistic take me out (minus my attention being drawn to Matthew’s leather pants a couple of times, lol!) - I kinda think the slimline/ streamlined look in the men’s fashions was unfortunate, but it also kind of feels like it’s here to stay- & that’s a shame, but again- I ultimately didn’t mind as much...
😍 I love Teresa Palmer! She's from Adelaide, South Australia ❤ we produce so many historical dramas that knowing your fashion history is incorporated into how we be.
Now I really want to watch and read this series!!
I loved the detail on collars and cuffs and the hair! No hairpin shortages there!
The hair!! I was in awe. Other shows have no excuse now, because Teresa Palmer has some of the thickest hair I have ever seen on anyone.
I absolutely love the Discovery of Witches series I devoured the books after watching the first season and thoroughly enjoyed the historical accuracy of the books. I just at the of 61 went to my first Ren Faire with my daughter. Which is how I come to be looking at your UA-cam videos. Everyone I saw there was pretty much in medieval attire and having read all the Discovery of Witches books I kept looking for a bum roll.
I'm really loving this show, and was so pleasantly surprised by how decent the costumes are! The fact that I could recognize the original pair of bodies that Diana's was based off of made me _so happy_ and I literally gasp when I saw the redworked coif. (It turns out the coif is likely one of Truly Carmichael's amazing linen coifs!)
I was borderline on if I was going to watch the show, I loved the books SO much. But you sold me, I know what I'll be watching while sewing this weekend!
The first season was my background show while finishing my 1890s outfit! I hope it does equally good things for your stitching 💚
When they put the pair of bodies on over the shift (straight from bed) my heart skipped a beat ❤️
you did an excellent video and research, however is documented that letaher was heavily used in spain during the same time period... I didn't watch the show or read the books, but maybe it is related (you know, queen elizabeth hold a war against spaniard king phillip II, actually, you showed one portrait of him) or maybe the simpliest explanation is the right one: they tried to appeal modern audiences with that leather outfit... in any case, such a well made video, you should be very proud of yourself.
by the way, I'm deeply sorry for my poor english 😅
Absolutely possible! If it had only been the leather doublets, I probably wouldn't have minded, but no matter how flattering they are on our leading men I must draw the line at skintight leather pants 😂
@@SnappyDragon I'm so glad you noticed the leather pants too. I'm so disappointed :(
Oh I didn't know that! @don quijote de granada, is there an article or book that mentions this? Also, and since Portugal was in Spain's domain at this time (1580-1640), have you encountered any references related to Portugal's fashion in those decades? I presume it must have been very similar to Spain's fashion, but I haven't read anything related to Portuguese historical fashion, nor do I know any studies about this issue.
The 2nd book explains Diana’s pants better. Matthew hand stitched them to resemble something as close to Modern leggings as possible, as they were always her favorite and she had been missing them. Basically they are meant to be a sort of skin tight leather pant, and are therefore not of the period.
Amazing insight with the source material and how the world of the books and show is really fleshed out.
I've seen this pop up a couple times but haven't actually sat down to watch it yet because you just never know with these things. Now I may just have to pull the trigger.
I love this in part because this is outside of my period, and so I'm learning so much! (I'm very Regency-and-late-18th c. for the most part.) Also just give me anything with witches, I'm here for it.
Wonderful review! I am a huge fan of the books and especially because Deborah Harkness includes so much detail that you can really feel, see and smell the environment. I had thought they did a pretty good job with the costumes and set decor and was very gratified to find that you agreed. Thank you so much for your review!
Thank goodness! I was sure that Diana was riding astride the entire trip across France (can we say "chafe"? -- ow!) and the comment Matthew made about riding sidesaddle was a blind. I kind of think they wanted us to think that she had been riding sidesaddle until she got the breeches, but I wasn't buying it.
I accepted the way she wore the clothes as indicating that she, as a 21st century woman, was, by God, going to dress the way she was comfortable as much as possible. And, in general, she "dressed down" when she was with people who knew (or who would soon know) she was "different". In formal, public places, she was "proper". I took the riding breeches to be a nod to the leggings she CONSTANTLY wore and talked about in the books, which was a nice detail. In the book, Matthew even gave her some kind of breeches that she was able to wear as leggings -- pretty sure that was at Sept Tours and got a comment for Marthe.
This was a great recap and review of the clothes.
I am jealous that it appears you have seen the whole series, we get episode 4 on Saturday on Shudder.
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Your video shurly made me curious enough for the books and the TV-show. Thanks for your review!
Just to be a total nerd, the second series (so the one that came out in 2020) was actually filmed in 2019 and I was at the DoW Con in Cardiff (where they were filming) during filming! They actually did quite a bit on the costuming and some of the fabrics were made for it, albeit from modern fabrics. I’ve also had the great privilege of meeting the author who, as you rightly state, is a historian of the period. I think many of the decisions were A Choice by designers and production
I love this show and was originally so worried about season 2's historical. This analysis totally makes me feel more comfortable going and watching season 2. Thank you!
If I recall correctly, that "vampires are animalistic, possessive and patriarchal messes" trope is spefically addressed many times throughout the books
Okay i think i need to read the books now, and at some point watch the series
Highly recommend both :D
I loved looking at all of the costumes in the second season. The dresses and the small details they put into them made me swoon. I just finished brigerton and I wanted to throw something at the tv. Why was glitter used. And why were the dresses cutting the bossom in half?!
I had to pause this video, watch both seasons and now come back to it! Wouldn't watched it if you didn't recommended it since the preview of season one wasn't that interesting. Thanks for introducing me to this show!
just bought the first and second books today because I was in a used bookstore and remembered this video... excited to read some loving descriptions of fancy clothes 👀
Seems like I need to watch this at some point. Very interesting to hear your thoughts. As you, I do not expect everything to be historically accurate, but love when you can see they knew their history and at least based things on that instead on modern views on history.
Great video, your knowledge is invaluable...I can just be free to enjoy the beautiful scenery... bad enough with that time period, I'm always struck with the notion of how bad it must have smelled and the lack of hygiene products, lol...years ago I came across something on costume designer Michele Clapton (GoT) and the influences she used for creating costumes for the show, I was awe struck...even Downton Abbey's costumes were glorious...
Okay... An excellent review from you on the clothes... And from my friend with the PHD in Early Modern Women's Lit on the history and the clothes.... I think I am required to watch this now.
I can only assume they dressed Matthew and Gallowglass differently to create a visual difference for the audience, so they would stand out to our modern eye
ohh I'm not usually big into historical dramas, but I'm adding this to my watch list! Thanks for a wonderful video (as always) :)
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Aww, thank you! It's the one in a jar from mad hippie, and I think the color is called fig.
@@SnappyDragon thank you so much!
Although this is a review of A Discovery Of Witches (which I love and was excited to watch, it's great to see a costume review by someone who's watching the series and has read the books) I do want to mention the bridgerton corsetry scene. My initial reaction upon watching that clip in Bridgerton was to disdainfully point out that tight lacing wasn't a thing until metal eyelets came along. However, in 'Corsets and Crinolines" there is some mention of women in the regency era squeezing themselves into long tubular corsets in order to flatten their curves to achieve the fashionable waistless silhouette. I wish I could claim that this was what the scene is portraying but I do think it was filmed with the intention of implying tightlacing and that is what most watchers would take it for. However, since I really did enjoy bridgerton, I'm allowing my head to accept the theory of tubular corsetry so that it doesn't ruin the show by causing me to shout at the telly. And as for the raunchy scene in the rain with stays on bare skin.... well at least they put them over shifts in most of it....
Reminds me of myself whenever they want to make the male lead actor more attractive by putting him on a horse ... As a equestrian, the first thing I look for are the feet, often the biggest giveaway, and if they're pointing down I know he's not a rider and all I can think about is if that horse scares and stops dead in it's tracks, the actor's going over 😅
Thank you so much for the wonderful review. 🙏
I admit, I wasn't interested in the show before (the ads just didn't appeal to me for whatever reason) but after watching this, I will give it a try!
My boyfriend stopped watching it with me because I couldn't shut up about the costumes.
Love it I may pick up the books someday.
So glad you didn't throw anything at your TV for this show! Curious if you've watched and reviewed Outlander?
I want to see this now after your review
A also, am not going to complain too much about a good looking scot dressed in leather........... ahem.. excuse me a moment!!! Thank you for this review. My pals have been badgering me to watch the other thingy that's based in a fantasy type historical universe, and I love your review of ADoW. I loved it all. Just wished they'd squeezed another episode (or 4) into the season... yikes.. we're never happy are we? (am i?!) Also yes, it was a shame not to see Matthew's legs (calves) on display as it was mentioned frequently in the book!!!!
I have yet to get through reading the books but when I do I'm definitely giving the show a watch!
Your video is, as always, excellent!
can you also cover queen elizabeth's dresses in the shwo?
I watched the show before I read the books. I’m not an expert on costumes but I enjoyed the show. The main problem I had with the show was everything that was left out and them having to change things. The one thing I really do not like (after I read the books) was in s1 the plot line of Marcus not being able to take a human through the process of becoming a vampire as this is totally ridiculous once you get to s3 and find out he has a whole family in New Orleans. They could have used the time spent on that plot in s1 to include more of stuff from the book.
We've just watched both seasons in two days because somebody mentioned there is Elizabethan clothing in the second one. I was not dissaponted, I am still not sure about the story itself, I do have a bunch of "Huh?" (like if she is such a powerful witch whose power triggered by danger, why is that power never seems to save her? And if I see that boat crossing the hiding bubble in Venice I am goingto bang my head), but I also was enchanted by the costumes. I literarly screamed when I saw that redwork coif, and the blackworked cuffs. Not sure about pinned stomachers, but what the heck, I accept they existed. My BF asked me about lace and they are not LePompe or Modellbuch, but passable, BUT, BUT, there is a CROCHETED snood in ep3. I know nets and beaded nets actually were a thing, but crocheted? arrgh. Otherwise, I agree with everything. Great video, thank you.
I adore that show...
I really want to watch this video because I read the books, and the second book in particular was so fun. But I haven't seen the series yet. Is it worth it?
I read the books some years ago and when I heard they were making a life action series I was more worried than excited. I was bummed when the first season came out because of the many concessions they took, for the casting and the scenes, since they didn't follow that much closely to the book, not even enough to evoke the same feeling or sensation. So, I haven't checked the 2nd season. Now thou, watching this review and hearing your excitement about the historical work they did, I find myself intrigued and drawn to watch it. So I will try to.
I also find quite funny, I have to mention, that they changed so much of the men's wardrobe to entice the audience, something commonly done on the female wardrobe in other series, (even when they are 100% drama for female audience) to entice the male audience for at least the couple seconds/minutes of boob showing, etc. Yet this time are the handsome vampires the ones used to entice the audience. Hehehehe, they have a nice body so I will forgive it. OvO
I fell in love with vampires again after reading about Mathew and Gallowglass so I'm kind off happy with that... change in wardrobe? hahaha can't help it. I just wished they had added more gay characters that ended happily ever after... T___T well, let's not go that route since there isn't even the whisper of a trans character.... *siiiiiiiighhhhh oh well, I love the books so I will check the first season again and the second season after. : ) Lovely video by the way.
I really enjoyed your review and will now bother watching Season 2 when I might not have otherwise! In my view, Wolf Hall is the gold standard for historical drama costumes, but then I'm English..!
I definitely understand putting the men in straight pants instead of those puffy ones, it would have removed a lot of their dignity from the modern viewers standpoint...i would have liked to see them in those tighter knee length pants with hose though, those look good. And the lack of hats i get, since they do that a lot in historical dramas. It would have been cool, though, to show how dogmatic they were back then about making sure the hat was on the head when outdoors.
I agreed
These are the salient points that made me SCREAM while watching the ridiculous "Tudors". Absolutely horrifyingly inaccurate history AND costuming. Grrrrrr.
Call me crazy, but I find men in puffy pants extremely attractive. The leather and skinny jeans are not nearly as much fun.
I read the books and one of the things I loved about is the way the clothing was described in SUCH DETAIL. They also talked about the layers that go on under the clothes and period clothing methods like how Diana's maid in France used a " curling iron-like contraption" to make her ruff ( though someone with more knowledge in this decade, can you clarify if this method is really period correct.)
As well as showing that different countries back then have their own regional fashion, like how they described in detail what the women in Prague wore and the fact that Diana actually had to get an ENTIRE NEW WARDROBE just to illustrate the difference between Prague and English court dress.
and I also cannot forget when she had to dress up to go to the royal court and I love imagining all those BEAUTIFUL Elizabethan clothes with all the gilding and rich fabrics.
I like to imagine a fan-fiction addition to the story, that Diana actually had a friend from the university who is both a Fashion Historian and Costumer and when her friend found out that she was going back in time. The friend joined them and somehow is involved in the story without changing the main details ( I am still thinking of the logistics . Though I would love to hear what detail YOU GUYS could up with)
AND I CANNOT THANK YOU ENOUGH OH MISS SNAPPY DRAGON FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!!
P.S. Sorry to all the people who haven't read the books, for all the spoilers.
I know it's not reasonable to expect every historical fiction author to have the level of knowledge that a career historian will, but it's still such a treat when it happens
My fanfiction dream comes after book 3 finishes and Diana allows for a time hop back with said friend to different eras for a short time 😅
Goffering iron.
I was waiting for the costumers to review a Discovery of Witches!
Great review, but now i have a weird comic scene in my mind, where all the extras wearing appropriate hoses and garments, are trash talking behind the leather clad actors backs. :D
oh my gosh that is comic GENIUS.
Wonderful review! I am a huge fan of the books and was so pleased with the costumes, especially Dianna’s (the corset dressing scene was amazing!! No corset tight lacing shenanigans) The capes and extra witch looks where also fantastic! (I chose to ignore Matthew’s modern pants haha, vampires do what they want I suppose)
Yes! I was hoping someone would make a video on this series! Thank you!
I have not seen this yet, but after your review I might actually be willing to watch now
I think the riding connundrum was the editing's fault--Diana clearly wears the breeches in a scene *before* she is given them, so I think the scenes were just switched up during editing
How have you seen all of season 2 already? I'm super jealous.
Thanks for a great dissection. I love the All Souls trilogy, glad the adaptations have captured the books so well (in my opinion & OK there are some smallish changes, but as with LOTR what works in a book doesn’t always work on film). Ridiculously excited over the whole look/aesthetic of the entire show. Looks like the UK is behind on episodes (we’re @ n4)? 😭😭 Not a historian but had a feeling that so far the ladies’ costumes were better than is usually the case on TV & at least some of the menswear. And especially the ladies’ hairdos 😍 some of which I plan to experiment with once mine’s long enough. #hairgoals
What is the big lace collar thing that Diana wears to her wedding called?? Elizabethan Collar? Elizabethan Ruff? partlet? Neck Bunt? I cannot figure out!! (great video btw!)
among reenactors i get weary of seeing overtly puff-and-slash sleeves.
AS you were saying The words “what they think is old Timey” I thought of Vikings in a split second later you threw it up on the screen. That show drives me nuts with their bad costuming especially considering how beautiful the clothes they actually wore were And how easy it is now to research that.
We got rid of our television, but I have read the trilogy and loved it! I am glad to hear that the series is doing the books by Deborah Harkness some justice!
Really liked your review of the costumes and such but could you please slow down when you speak. I can’t listen as fast as you talk sorry 🥰
It's so nice not to see the mistake so commonly seen - and I've even had friends say to me when I've complained about something 'oh it's fantasy/sci fi - what does it matter?' - no! That's the point! To sell the fantasy or sci fi element EVERYTHING else must make sense. I've read the books, haven't managed to see the series yet, but I did love it - despite the tedious romantic vampire tropes (completely with you on that).
Ok, loved this, exactly what I was looking for. Have you seen The Nevers yet?
Thank you for reviewing this!
I adored the headwears
Fascinating.
Dang. Wrong platform.
I’m in need of another series to watch for French practice, (subtitles and dubs are becoming commonplace!) and shows with lovely costumes are fun.
I love the books, and I love the show!
I kind of felt, in several ways, that this season was oriented towards the viewers. I didn't get as much costume historical inaccuracies (IDK if they should be called like this, because I didn't see a major inaccuracy) as you did, but even so some of the costumes did feel odd... like Diana's hair on her wedding (though I agree with your argument in that) or men constantly dressed in leather... or even the ridding scenes. BTW, IDK why they focused so much on that one scene. I don't remember as much detail on their trip in the book as in the show... they did omit some other moments I would have enjoyed watching, and because of that I didn't understand their choices.
Diana's outfits are gorgeous, non the less, as well as several details that have transported me to 1590, like the linen, the embroidery and the sets.
Thanks for your review, I was looking forward to a historical costuming review like this one that you jus did!
I felt so much connection when I read these books for the first time 💚 - my entry in this year's Foundations competition was going to be based on Diana until I hit a stumbling block. I haven't seen the series (will have to wait till it ends up on terrestrial tv) but I'm glad they've not destroyed it! Although the actress who plays Diana looks a tad younger than I was expecting 🙂 Very enjoyable vlog, thanks.
This show hits on a lot of genres and tropes I like, so I'll have to look into it! Primarily, though: I have chronic pain and have been struggling pretty badly of late. Your enthusiasm is obvious throughout the video and really made me smile, so thank you for a happy, bright 16 minutes!
I started watching this at your recommendation and was swiftly joined by my husband who usually leaves me to enjoy my historical drama in solitude. Thank you for being so informative and encouraging to others with chronic illness.
Dianas second dress (the one the isnt from the 1570s) looks very similar to a portrairt on of Amy Robshart that was painted in the victoria era.
i read and loved the books (despite the endlessly frustrating abusive tendencies of vampite stories) but haven't had a chance to watch the show and now i'm very excited to have such goodies for my eyes to feast on! (side note, I think Matthew Goode is maybe the most charming man around??)
In context, though Matthew is the only one controlling and it's due to a mental condition. The others are just plain cool...I mean Miriam is life goals there!
@@pamelatarajcak5634 technically you could call abusive tendencies in anyone a mental condition. I still really enjoyed the books but to me it's a pretty dangerous trope that's used consistently in vampire stories. He stalks her, he tries to intimidate her by assaulting her, and all of this is excusable within the context of the story because of his bloodlust but I just think it's an unnecessary trope we should move away from. It bothers me less in adult fiction like this because hopefully the people engaging with it are mature and educating enough to recognize these things as abuse but for younger people engaging with the material, i think it can set a dangerous tone for what's "romantic".
Question. What makes the fabrics on screen so blaringly obvious that they are modern? It was mentioned several times in the video.
Update. I'm binge watching your videos and I finally came to the video that brought me to your channel, but I'm sorry to say, the re-watching of the series was doomed. I do love the wardrobe for the second season, but I only need pinteres or Instagram to enjoy them. The characters, the scenes... They told a story different enough I felt betrayed. I have re-read the books so many times I know them by heart so that's probably why. Usually my imagination mixes the movies with the book so I can't tell what scenes actually happened in the movies and which ones didn't. But, with Discovery of witches? No... Not at all. It's sad but that can't be helped, I believe they changed so much to appeal to a broader audience, as well as a more modern audience. After all the books came out some years ago, 7+ years ago. Oh well, I enjoyed (again) your videos, so I guess it's fine in the end
That’s why it’s called an adaptation. It’s not meant to be exactly the same as the books.