Salt vs Chain Mail for Maintaining Iron Cookware
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- Опубліковано 4 бер 2023
- I thought everyone knew about the benefits of chain mail but this week I came across a Bon Appetit Instagram post where there was definitely some confusion!
In this video, I show you why I'm convinced that chain mail is by far the best tool for maintaining iron cookware.
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I actually use Kosher salt AND a chain mail scrubber together. Works GREAT!
I much prefer the small loop chainmail for everyday cleaning. It's surprisingly gentle. I use the large loop chainmail (with inner rubber sponge) for heavy duty work.
I currently use chain mail and prefer it but prior to that, I used kosher salt with a little bit of oil. The oil aided in both keeping the salt together and prevented the paper towel from falling apart.
It's one of those things that whatever works, works!
I've learned a metric ton over the last couple days from this channel. Thank you so much.
This is a very informative and pragmatic video. Thank you!
Also for chainmail, get welded loops. The edge of the loops can really scratch things when they're not aligned.
Really useful video! I've heard of chainmail but never seen it used or seen the results. Definitely want to give it a try.
I discovered your channel a month or so ago, after my newest Teflon coated skillet was beat to death, I was searching for a replacement (again). Fast forward a month, I’m totally into my new carbon steel cookware…and chain mail scrubbers. Thanks Jed!
Great to hear! Glad its going well for you!! Thanks for letting me know.
Wow! I am new to cast-iron and carbon steel, this cleared everything up, and kind of takes the fear out of caring for carbon steel and cast-iron cookware, makes it look fun to use now! Thank you so much.
Great video!
Glad it was helpful!
Fabulous Presentation.
Great video demonstration and information!
Glad it was helpful!
fish spatula works well too! thanks again for the great video, Jed!
You bet!
Thanks for your passion!
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I used to use kosher salt for stuck on bits. I watched your video some months back about chainmail. I purchased the small loop chainmail and love it! I haven't bought the large loop but don't feel I need it for my pans. I am gentle with my carbon steel with the small loop and it does everything I need it to do. My pans work great, no carbon build up and it doesn't take off my seasoning at all, just the carbon. Smooth surface no texture is the key I think. Used it in my oven with the burnt on stuff and it took it right off with no scratching to my oven surface. Work horse in my kitchen now.
Awesome! It's an actual magic eraser without the chemicals!
@@Cook-CultureDoes chain mail work for Staub & Le Creuset? If not, what's recommended?
@@literatious308 I use chain mail on my Staub with zero issues.
I have been using chainmail on my cast iron for years now. I even use it on my glass casserole pans. Game changer. I have not tried the salt method but after watching you scrub than I know I would not have good results either. My hands do not work as well these days and I find the chain mail does not take as much elbow grease.
The salt method works well with a mildly dirty cast iron or carbon steel pan. Any kind of serious sticking and chain m is better. I think the salt method has its place for regular cleaning. I like to use the most gentle method necessary to clean a pan so each method has a place.
I learned a lot from you, about the two different Chain Mills. I will try it on two ten inch Cast Iron pans that have a lot of Carbon on them. And I will do the Pans while cool. Also how do I fix a Cast iron Pie plate, was put in the Refrigerator and covered. When I cut the pie, some of the seasoning came off on the pie. I threw the pie out. Pieces of the steal and bear Iron is showing. How can I fix my pie pan? Hope you can help me?
I use a bamboo brush after getting one for my wok, it's now all I use even for my carbon steel.
u did a video about cleaning carbon. u put white vinegar in the pan, heated it and after cooling, there was a minimum effort in cleaning the pan. that is the best and easiest way in my opinion. i am looking for some uncoated pans, and came across your channel. very good tips on what is affordable, what u consider the best. Thanx for the info.
I've seen a few of your videos now and I am impressed with your knowledge and enthusiasm. Particularly in the no smoke point video! So much that I am now a subscriber. One thing though, when comparing eg, A to B, it's "A versus B", not "A verse B". You are a communicator, words are your tools; don't abuse them or spread such misuse to others. Best wishes.
Good point. Thanks!
My 12" Stargazer is my most used skillet. I had a build up of textured carbon in the corners,1 inch up the sidewall and about half an inch on the cooking surface. I knew I needed to get that off before the seasoning just started to flake. The kosher salt wasn't even taking it down at all. I even had it on low heat and added a little oil. As soon as I switched to the Chainmail Scrubber I was able to get that build up off. 2 weeks later the patina is back to an almost uniform color.
Nice!
I sprinkled kosher salt on my pan and scrubbed with chainmail this very morning. I'm happy to report I did not start my house on fire by doing so
Why did I never thought of combining both! 🤯
I don’t often comment, but I enjoy your content. 1.) I watch one of your videos around repairing seasonings, which you 100% used salt. 2.) I found it easy to do vs drying out chain mail vs tossing salt in trash. 3.) have seen you use..Dawn, with sponge, chain mail and salt to clean/repair pans (iron or carbon). That is why I used salt to clean and repair stuck goo on my pan.
I even purchased buzzywax due to a video and learned later you starting making your owning.
Howdy, Buzzywaxx is an excellent product. We stared making our own due to the cost of shipping Buzzywaxx from the USA.
I’m firmly in the chain-mail camp - in no small part thanks to your recommendations. It would take salt being significantly better for me to switch. Salt represents a consumable, while chain mail just needs water and elbow grease - which you’re going to use anyway. I typically use my larger 10mil chain-mail with silicone pad for typical/quick scrubs. If I’m trying to get something recalcitrant off I’ll use my smaller/finer chain mail. Neither one seems to damage seasoning.
Speaking of undamaged seasoning. I have a decade old cast iron dutch oven that has acquired such a hard seasoning that I have simmered tomato based stews over a campfire for several hours without issue. I think it would take nuclear weapons to break through it’s seasoning.
Finally, grape seed oil seems to be the secret sauce. When I started with carbon steel I had been using a Canola for seasoning, and I struggled some. Switched to grape seed, and buzzy wax (bees wax and grape seed oil) and it was a game changer - turned the corner for me.
This video did remind me I need to give my main pan’s sides a little attention. There is some build up on there. Off to the kitchen!
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You mention using chainmail for cleaning stainless steel cookware as well, could you possibly make a video doing that as well sometime?
Thanks for this, Jed! I use the fine chainmail on my carbon steel pans if I get a lot of buildup. Works great. I'm afraid to use on my stainless steel pans, though. I'm afraid of scratches. I suppose if I do it right, it will probably be fine.
Hey Geoff, it can, for sure, but over time the pans look a bit matt, not scratched.
For any pan, you can clean it by heating water in it (just enough to submerge the crusty bits), then scraping it with a wood or bamboo spatula. It requires very little effort, and it will never scratch your pans.
I use a scraper, salt & a little water and it works better than chainmail which I have but don't use much.
I agree, have to use salt ANDa little oil and it cleans great. But I’ll use chain mail for really stuck food.
Nice!
I quite like the large-loop chainmail for regular cleaning, but find the small-loop chainmail rather rough on the seasoning. I recommend saving that for heavy-duty needs.
You may find that chainmail works away at carbon build-up and not actually the seasoning. If your light chainmail is leaving marks on your surface, you may have a softer layer of carbon build-up.
I've been using chain mail for years on my cast iron so it was a no brainer when I got my first carbon pan.
I'm new to carbon steel pans and came across this channel, thanks for all the helpful videos. Can you use steel wool or does it have to be chainmail?
Steel wool will work, chain mail will work much better.
I use Bar Keepers Friend & nylon brush on my stainless steel ...no scratches & works great....use no metal utensils.
I did your seasoning process on a new Matfer pan using Crisbee Rub. On my 2nd cook after five days of seasoning I used chainmail to help clean the pan. I saw scratches that went through to the shiny metal like when it was new. I continued to use the pan for a number of cooks, seasoning after many of those, and today I had a crusted bottom and used the chain mail again. I was able to get the whole bottom mostly back to the shiny metal. No soap, only water was used. Do you think my seasoning is gone? I just coated the pan and I'll put it in the oven for an hour. What do you think? Thanks for any info...Oh, and I just ordered some Buzzzy Wax.
Howdy, without seeing the pan I can't be certain but it sounds like you have taken off come carbon build up, which is not an issue. This video may help: ua-cam.com/video/By5_xL-BPwY/v-deo.html
Do you ever use some water with your chainmail, just to help wash the carbon away?
I noticed the dark spots on the rag when you put the wax. Should one wipe the pan until very little dark spots on the wipe before seasoning? It has always been a point of concern at home when cleaning and seasoning cast iron and carbon steel pans. Thanks for the videos, btw.
You make a good point. Carbon build up is a major problem
I use avocado oil for all seasoning and cleaning. I use salt with the oil. I do this after every cook that leaves any residue. First, I let the pan sit with warm water for several minutes. That will soften most things and will just wipe out. My pans perform great and don't have any carbon build-up.
Thanks for sharing
hmm. the chainmail definitely strips the seasoning, and as he mentioned goes into bare metal. not good for everyday cleaning. the trick is boil a small amount of water, then let it cool a little bit and use a plastic scrubber. usually removes the now softened carbon and leaving the seasoning, oil and dry. Use the chainmail if you plan to reseason or the carbon cannot be removed by the above. in a general sense, rinse your cookware after using it. dont let it dry out in the heat setting the carbon hard, cleaning is always easier when its wet.
Great video!
Anybody knews how to cook Heura / chunks in carbon steel or stainless steel?
I tried different methods and temperatures but as soon as it touches the surface it sticks and mess like glue :-(
I use a little wire scrubber & hot water, works Great,,,,,,,
On the advice I buy chainmail, annnnnd don't do it... Since I scrubbed (gently) my carbon pan with it, it stick like hell.
Can't cook an egg without detach it with a spoon anymore.
My bet the little tiny barely visible scratch are the problem, even if I make a quick seasonnig. Any idea to solve it ?
It sounds like your seasoning is soft. Make sure to use the right oil and cook the surface. Chain mail solves problems, it does not create them.
What are your tips on cleaning the chain mail? I gave up on it after I really struggled to degrease it. It became disgusting to use it
Hi, put it in the dishwasher.
As someone who only recently stopped using coated cookware, I found all that scrubbing to be somewhat triggering 😂
I only use chain mail on my CS fry pan but in my experience ... little by little it removes the seasoning ... even though I touch up the seasoning with a paste after every use.
Post seasoning is the key. If you are diligent, you will take 2 steps forward and only 1 step back. The silver lining is a perfect smooth pan.
hmm i wonder about copper chainmail. not really commercially available since it usually has to be handmade and probably brazed which is a lost art now days. It would give you the geometry of steel chainmail, but less aggressive due to its softness. The more you used it though the harder it would get from work hardening and carbon adsorption. It would also leave behind an invisible layer of copper particles which I bet would be really beneficial to varnishing/enamel formation or "seasoning" as cast iron people call it. copper is catalytically active (well significantly more than cast iron is) and would bridge the gap between an organic based varnish and a metallic based surface. I bet someone could just buy a pure copper chain necklace and weave it into a circle with some cheap kevlar thread or something (one of the most abrasion resistant polymers, i get mine on ali exrpes)
Interesting idea!
So should I be chainmailing my cast iron after every use? People always say just wipe it with a towel and it’s good but that would just leave carbon build up every time right?
Yup. Use chainmail as needed.
Could you compare big and small chain mail? I have small unlooped and love it but have wondered about the big stuff amf even the sponges
He already has, fine vs medium vs big
@@ascalon132 couldn’t find it
@@AverageReviewsYT Search "Using Chain Mail to reduce plastic waste in the kitchen"
Did you watch this video from 15:06?
@David Hooper did you read my comment? Evidently not... idc about carbon.. im talking about cleaning the pans.. food.. use some common sense we all hope you have.
Is it normal that anytime I pass a paper towel or white towel it gets black brown (pan is cleaned and hasn’t been oiled)
Yes, totally normal. It's the carbon.
I've used both methods, but I've never done it dry. Is it better not to add hot water?
Hi, using chain mail you can use hot water if that works
What wax d o
you use on the pans?
We make one but in the US you can buy Buzzywaxx
I think there's a more effective way to use salt
Specifically I was told to add just a little water to turn the salt into a paste
Then I scrub with a nylon brush
It seems to lift off a lot more carbon than dry salt with a paper towel
I use chain mail with Morton's coarse Kosher Salt on my cast iron
I don’t get the point of people scrubbing a pan…. Degalze it.. sure on cast it tends to have texture which is less than fun but it’s only that final glaze that’s in it..n
For super smooth surface that doesn't remove seasoning #0000 steel wool is amazing.
We have perfect results with chain mail
I have zero problem with sticking in my cast iron..i just use my scrubby that i clean my teflon with. No problem with scratching my coating off accidentally. Oh, this is carbon steel, my correction, different product 😂
Both have their uses. I think the kosher salt is less abrasive. It looked like you put severa scratches in you seasoning on the first demo with chainmail! Btw chainmail has been around for hundreds of years!
Scratching carbon build up and scratching seasoning are two different things. I believe that chain mail is superior to salt in all ways.
Would a Chain Mail Cutting Glove work well?
It could
I didn’t know that you should use the chain mail on a dry pan. I usually have water in it. Will try dry next time.
Good on you.
I never use water on my cast iron. I use a copper scrubber and wipe it out, then apply a bit of oil.
I’m going to have to try the chain mail.
The manufacturer of my chainmail (Ringer) specifically instructs users to use it with lukewarm water.
Why can’t you use both kosher salt and chain mail? That’s what I do, and with clean hands, and a clean chain mail you can actually make a solid stock using the pan drippings with some warm water and kosher salt scrubbed using a clean chain mail scrubber.
I just don't find it necessary.
Learned the hard way to not use my chainmail on my glass cook top 😢
Oh yeah, glass is probably not a good material for chain mail.
I wonder if air blasting with dry ice or baking soda would get the carbon build up off fast but still leave behind the non-stick properties of the pan? Anyone ever try that?
Chain mail is easy
What about using chain mail with kosher salt?
Sure, but unnecessary.
QUESTION:
What about seasoning with homemade ghee??
Iv seen people do it.. ghee is an alright method. Butter is a no no and seed based oils are best. Except flax.. don’t use it
Hi, if it works, then it works. I haven't had great success compared to grapeseed oil.
@@AverageReviewsYT Thanks
@@Cook-Culture Have you ever used hemp seed oil? I do have that. 😆
@@LOGAFFY I haven't really tried with it as I detest the smell of hemp oil when it browns.
I've never gotten my cast iron or carbon steel pans in as bad shape as some of the pans in this video, so I find chainmail to be mostly unnecessary, as it can damage the seasoning if you use too much force. For me, chainmail is a last resort; I always try to use the gentlest method possible. That means either using kosher salt, or heating a small amount of water in the pan and scraping the pan with a wood or bamboo spatula. That said, I am not meticulous about removing every last bit of carbon from my pans, but again, I've never had anywhere near as much as the pans in this video.
Howdy, I would argue that chainmail is much less abrasive than salt. Also cleaner and less wasteful.
Seems like a Dobie Sponge and Kosher Salt would work great too. No paper towel.
Nothing is as good as chain mail
Need to use oil or potato with kosher salt. Needs a bit of moisture. Also use 4x more kosher salt than you were
The end point is that using sooooo much salt is such a waste. Chain mail for the win.
@@Cook-Culture a massive box of kosher salt costs $2. Chainmail costs $25 for the fine stuff. Once you get the carbon off it mostly stays off and takes only a pinch of salt. To do what you did in the video with lots of carbon, use lots of salt and some oil or better yet a potato cut in half with the salt. Chainmail is fine too and works, but if you are going to compare the methods, try the way that actually works well with salt then make a comparison. If anything the waste is in the potato or paper towel you use with salt not the salt itself which would take a decade to add up to $25.
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Hey Jed!
Small loop chainmail is THE way to go (if necessary). I usually wash the pan with soap if chainmail is not needed. I rarely use salt because I think it is too labour intensive and a bit messy. Cheers! Mihai
Thanks, Mihai! Hey, are you still selling paste over there? I had someone looking for some.
@@Cook-Culture hey Jed, yes. It works quite well actually and sales have started to pick up 😊 it is all on e-bay, still working on a website
@@mrp2209 Thanks! Can you fire me a link to share?
@@Cook-Culture what paste!!
I use chainmail with salt...best of both worlds
Nice. I hear that a lot.
I only use salt after baking fish to get rid of the smell.
I use neither, just water, heat, and a flat metal spatula.
If it works then awesome!
I've been using Kosher salt for years on cast iron with excellent results. when i purchased a carbon steel pan, everyone said chain mail. i'm here to say, chain mail does not do the job. Now, I only use kosher salt and it works best. If there is burned on stuff, hot water + salt and oil. You need to use salt and oil, not just salt.
Why not just use steel wool?
It doesn't last. Chain mail doesn't wear out so over time it's the most effective.
I prefer chain mail!
0:08 neither.. a angle grinder.. first btw
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It should be noted that if carbon builds up something went wrong in the cooking process, it should not happen and it's not good healthwise.
For example i see people cooking steaks at utterly ludicrous temperatures which are absolutely not needed to achieve Maillard reaction, and lot of carbon builds up in the pan. If you do it correctly the pan should become nice and clean after deglazing it with wine or whatever.
I say this NOT because Jed made such mistake, i know here he did it on purpose to show how to remove it.
Yes, heat is the killer! Fortunately a good cast iron pan take take a good reconditioning every once in a while!
took me awhile to tell the difference between carbon and seasoning.
You were definitely not alone! I think most people think a carbonated pan is 'well seasoned'.
Clean with salt differently. Started on woks decades ago. Lots of Kosher salt & a little water at HIGH heat. Stir with utensil. Salt turns black, pan surface revitalized. NOTE; the salt is extremely hot and a fire hazard, also avoid pouring directly into cold water.
Not to be sacrilegious, but I soak my carbon steel pan in warm water. And I use stainless steel scrubbing pads if nothing works. Maintenance of seasoning is overrated. It's not worth the extra work.
A well seasoned pan can be soaked. People that say you shouldn't don't know how to season.
When all else fails...sanding brush.
Coarse salt. Cheaper
Both methods seems to work equally little, that pan is messed up big time.
Hi, I'm not sure what you're referring to?
@@Cook-Culture it seems that the pan needs more than a good scrubbing, due to lots of the rough black spots remaining.
@@kaspervendler1726 Oh, yes. For sure. For me to be 100% satisfied I would take it all the way down with vinegar but that was not the purpose of this video. I'm trying to show that chain mail will not kill a pan, as some think it will.
@@Cook-Culture ahhh that makes sense.
I saw a genius in the comment section mentioning using both salt and chainmail at the same time 🤯
That pan is lightly rusted. Time for washing soda electrolysis.
why go through so much trouble, if you heated the pan it woul dbe so much easier to clean, so trying to clean cold to try and prove a position is meaningless when if heated it would clean quicker, Thansk BC
Yes, for sure. The point here is to show what chain can do.
I guess I rubbed to hard. Took it down to silver metal
Silver isn't always bad. As long as it's not rusting quickly, then you have a seasoning
"Mail has been around for decades..."
Mail has been used for cleaning metal for longer than 200 decades.
So, yeah. A lot of decades.
Haha!
The chain mail: an example of how you can ruin your hundred-dollar carbon steel pan with something that costs a few dollar... friends, be careful, this thing will scratch your pan, personal experience. You don't need this (at least for carbon steel).
Sorry to hear that you had such a bad experience! How did you ruin your pan?
chainmail is totally essential for keeping bulletproof seasoning
hallelujah!
when using salt, YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO WET THE SALT WITH A SMALL AMOUNT OF OIL. You did the comparison wrong.
Chainmail is for cleaning bits off, not carbon, salt will take off the carbon. So know how to and use bout....
Totally cleaning cs pan wrong.
Yes, salt is not a great choice. Chain mail for the win
I bought a cast iron pan. I used it a few times and it's down in the basement. I know I'm in the minority, but I refuse to eat any food cooked in something that is inherently filthy. YMMV and it's all good.
The Carbon is the seasoning. How do you not know that? You really don't know what you're talking about.
You even scratched the seasoning with the chainmaile. You scratched the seasoning on both pans.
Hi, thanks for the comment. Seasoning is polymerized oil on a ferrous material, which is transparent. If overheated, it can carbonize, which is technically a weakness in the seasoning. To see score maeks on a seasoned pan does not imply that the seasoning is damaged, but that carbon has been removed. If a pan immediately becomes rusty after being washed, then the pan is not seasoned. Carbon is not seasoning.
No sir, you’re scrubbing off all the cooked in flavor protection and goodness. You clearly are not a CHEF.
Nor do you throw down in the kitchen if you don’t know that. Cooking isn’t about this kind of science my friend. It’s about flavor science. Good enough is not acceptable. The best chefs know about leaving the old cooked stuck on black layer. I’d throw you out my kitchen for good if you ever destroyed years of my stuck on cooking shield with one wash like this. No sir! GET! 😅
Another UA-cam rando, desperate for the attention they don't get from their mommy and daddy, pops up to declare that they're right and UA-cam presenters are wrong because the rando doesn't agree with them.
How do you identify these Internet randos when they pop up? Easy: they claim to know better... they just don't have the courage (and ability) to create a UA-cam channel to show their way of doing things.
In other words, they talk about "throwing down" - except they don't throw down by having their own UA-cam channel. They're just the cheap voices heard squeaking from the peanut gallery.