There is also an "alpha male camp" where insecure conservative men pay $18k to spend 3 days getting screamed at and tortured by ex-Marines on the basis that it will restore their masculinity
So... just not happy ever then. If he thinks his son is "manipulating" him when the poor kid asks for ice-cream and then settles for them to watch a movie together, then there is NO WAY he wants anyone else to be happy. I mean he literally said he didn't recognize his wife as an autonomous human being until AFTER they got married. 💀
Matt Walsh needs everyone to be as miserable as him because if people who don't live their lives like he does are happy, then that means his religion and politics are wrong and he won't ever accept that. So back into the closet you go.
Seriously though😂 Then my preferences expanded and realizing that human gender identity and sexual preferences are an incomprehensibly broad spectrum. I hope in 10 years we're looked at as luddites because nobody worries about these things and accepts everyone for who and what they're into.
Years before I realised I was bisexual, all my friends joked about me being bisexual. This led to me panicking that I was "queerbaiting" so I tried to stop giving any hints that I could be gay, thus stopping me exploring my sexuality. Let people discover themselves in their own time.
I think that's my only issue, the "Yeah, You're definitely 'Blank'" discourse is super frustrating for the reason you stated. It could easily encourage people to stop exploring because they're embarrassed. Another issue is that it can also feel like "erasure via fantasy" like, "Yes, this is the identity you ascribe yourself, but I'm definitely right". My girl is bi, but she's been told by her queer friends, that's she's straight because she's going out with a guy and hasn't been with a girl. In a similar vein, I've been told by my friends that they're sure I'm Gay and just haven't come out yet because I'm a nice person and have an absolutely built dumpy. I'm fine because I've already explored my sexuality and understand that I will never be sexually attracted to men or women that are packing. So because of that I will never feel obligated to adhere to the beliefs of others in that way, but I can see why others are made very uncomfortable. Happy to see people exploring being more normalized.
With respect @rebekkahill4664, in my experience, that sounds more like the idea that "non-queer people can engage in queerbaiting, and this is bad" is a deeply harmful and gatekeeping idea that needs to be put to bed, permanently. I'm sorry that you lost time exploring your sexuality, reasons regardless. Everyone should be encouraged to explore at their own pace with no pressure to be anything or pressures not to "impose" by "queerbaiting". I'm very happy to know it did not keep you in the closet forever.
i've had people who don't know me very well accuse me of being an mtf egg because i'm a feminine guy when i'm literally a trans man, it's so weird i hate that tendency, they're just policing the gender presentation of people they think are cishet.
That kind of stereotyping, reinforcing gender roles behavior from trans people actually prevented me from cracking my egg. I was less open to exploring my gender out of feeling pressured into gender conformity and falling into a trend, because it felt like those right wing talking points were correct- people were pressuring me to be like them and were hypocritically reinforcing stereotypical gender roles. However, yes I am gender fluid trans and am happy now
@@iana6713IDK about that, the mere existence Birmingham much like the M25 is evidence of the Devils work on earth but the poor unfortunate souls that reside there are not and should not be held accountable for the supernatural hellhole that Birmingham is.
I had a “viral” comment on one of fin’s short pages that said something like, “It’s good for trans people if cis people explore their gender without ‘being trans.’” I still stand by that. Happy for Finn! And happy for anyone that discovers their relationship with gender
I think you're probably right. It'd be good for cis people too. Some of my contemporaries are so high strung about this stuff that I pity their boring lives.
@@bibsp3556 The absolute joy of self-discovery and happy ‘who cares’ confidence that emanates from Fin’s video should bring a smile to anyone’s face and maybe even help them question their prejudices and repressed feelings, no matter how old and jaded and straight and narrow-minded they are. (Writing as a jaded, straight, not-so-narrow-minded, 55 year old cis Englishman who is increasingly horrified by the world, but whose eyes got more than a bit watery as he shared this wholesome happy video with his friends on facebook)
Wel yeah, it just is. Probs a lot fewer trans people would be dealing with childhood trauma if we as a society were just cool with guys wearing skirts.
@@DieAlteistwiederda I was somewhat reminded of those celebrity-obsessed "transvestigators" who say "We can always tell!", but at least it's good-natured and generally accepting vibes sent around.
For REAL though...So much of my own struggles with my preferences and feelings about my own gender all stem from a decade and a half of gay-shaming in school. I really have hope for the younger generations ending that b.s.
Vaush I totally agree with you on the egg stuff. Some people might not be ready to come out too, so pointing it out might make them self conscious about it, especially if they have internalized homophobia/transphobia. As a cis-hetero female who doesn’t conform to gender standards and “dresses” and “acts” gay, I’ve had way too many people try to convince me that I’m not straight or cis. That’s reinforcing harmful stereotypes about gender and sexuality, and it always made me super self-conscious
that's awesome, keep on keepin' on. Genuinely, as someone who isn't straight or cis, people who are but challenge gender norms help make society safer and healthier for everybody in it. It becomes a sort of "I'm spartacus!" "no I'M spartacus!" situation where someone getting singled out for going against the grain isn't guaranteed to be one of the undesirables the fashies want to exterminate
Big agree. Speaking as a Queer gal who shares those experiences, it’s such reductive, essentialist bullshit that we need to shame out of the idiots who push it. It’s blatant boundary stomping. People became more literate in some signs of queerness and got way too comfortable and arrogant calling it wherever they think they see it, regardless of their target’s comfort. It just reminds me of my queerphobic bullies when I was 12. There’s also the insult of people treating your Current ID and sense of self as a Stepping Stone that they’re wiser than you on. It’s so insulting. “People don’t have the potential to be wider than my Multiple Choice identity archetypes. If they exhibit X they must be Y.” Regardless if their bet becomes true or not, absolutely arrogant, twat behaviour. Fuck all of them.
It is supper annoying honestly how so many people are convinced that their sexuality or maind set is the only true one and everyone else is just secretly lying to themselves. It gets pretty tedious talking to them. lol my gay grandma was convinced that no woman enjoyed being with men and nothing anyone said, including her own daughter would convince her otherwise.
It's this illusion we want to have that everyone's the same because that makes them fundamentally safe and predictable. And even if the world around us is full of examples to the contrary, we somehow manage to bang this illusion into our heads and believe in it.
I understand where it comes from. Being autistic I struggle with theory of mind and I think a lot of people who do this also struggle with theory of mind lol. That a long with how lonely it must be being a very small minority...looking for signs others around you are trans or some form of queer makes sense. I do this with being asexual or demisexual.
@@x-xPhobia Very similar for me but this is a different conversation and a personal one I'm not too prepared to have in yt comments :) I very much get what you're saying.
@@x-xPhobia I can get the desire to want to see your self in others. however it does get frustrating when any time you enjoy something out side your box you get almost accused of being this or that. Like i enjoy female led romantic fantasy, something i can't really talk about with out someone hinting that i am gay or an egg. I am a cis dude, why wouldn't i enjoy a book that casually describes a womans state of undress constantly!!!!!!? I could shrug off mockery, but trying to convince someone who thinks they are helping you is just a pain in the ass.
@@x-xPhobia Yeah, I am trans but not autistic, but most of my family are autistic, and the struggle with understanding that other people think differently from you is real. My brother was kind of weird about my gender at first because he doesn't have gender dysphoria, so he thought that I must have deluding myself due to social pressure into thinking I needed to change my body etc. I know that sounds bad but he just genuinely could not grasp the concept until I worded it in a way that worked with how his brain views gender. I really think a lot of egg discourse is autistic trans people just flat out not understanding that other people don't all think the same way as them.
Speaking as a trans person, Vaush is right on the money about the egg discourse. I was uncomfortable hearing other trans people being eager for cis people to come out, both before and after I came out, and I've always had a hard time explaining why that felt wrong to me.
where do you see trans people "eager for cis people to come out"? i never see other trans people doing this, and i cant imagine hoping someone else is trans, especially in today's world where being trans is so dangerous. is this even a real phenomenon or is it an *extremely* rare thing that gets blown out of proportion by conservatives?
@@an0bserver2000 When you have a video talking about trans issues and there's someone commenting they're cis and still watching that video because who knows, they find it interesting, they want to educate themselves, just stumbled about it, it doesn't really matter, you'll very often (if there are enough replies I'd argue it is guaranteed even) get some egg-comment. So that is a thing. Also people insisting they always knew F1nnster was trans? Or making these kinds of jokes when he'd always they that he had considered it but come to the conclusion he was cis? These are things that are happening, idk about people „hoping someone else is trans“ beyond that but these things alone are bad enough imo
@@ldbonq if you look at something a tiny portion of a group of people is doing you could make similar claims about literally any demographic. why does no one say "the cis community is fond of being nazis" when cis nazis clearly exist. why is it ok to make these broad generalisations about a minority group but not the majority one? just because a tiny handful of people do something does not mean its reflective of a broader trend in the "trans community". this is reactionary thinking.
Best advice I've heard in terms of the egg speculation is this. Eggs are supposed to hatch, not crack. You can talk to folks about their gender and all that, but let them develop on their own. You can help the egg hatch, but don't rush it or crack it.
Have you not seen an egg hatch? The animals literally crack the shell when they are ready to hatch! So cracking an egg in the trans umbrella/community, its actually a proper explanation!
@@chloeholmes4641 Hatching is when the chick breaks the egg from the inside. Cracking is when you break it from the outside. That’s the distinction OP is making.
@@Notyourproblemdumdum and how does the chick break the egg if their beaks are weak? They don't just hatch like a pokemon or pop out of the egg when they are ready to hatch like an alien chest burster. The chick repeatedly pecks at the shell "cracking it" to make it easier to break out of! That's what I'm correcting Op when they say that eggs don't "crack" but they hatch!
@@chloeholmes4641bro are you a moron or something? The distinction being made by OP is that "hatching" is the process of cracking and emerging from inside the egg and "cracking" is cracking the egg externally
The broader point Vaush is making here is so relevant. I came out as genderfluid last year, at 32. My wife, my family were all convinced I was influenced by trans spaces online and it made me gender fluid. They don't think that now, thankfully, but it was more that I'd had non-gender conforming thoughts my entire life, they were always background thoughts because I never had the knowledge or language to verbalise it and I grew up in a time when trans visibility was almost zero. These trans spaces gave me the language and knowledge to look inside myself and actually verbalise those thoughts and I came to terms with myself. Now I'm looking into HRT. My family think thats really soon after coming out, but to me, it feels like when I came out, I opened the floodgates and I felt ALL 32 years of suppressing that hitting me at once.
I was in a similar situation 10 years ago: I came out as bi-gender at the age of 35 after finally discovering that sometimes wanting to be a guy & sometimes wanting to be a girl was actually a thing. Unfortunately my then wife & mom were not very supportive of all... My wife left & claimed it was my gender identity as the primary reason, and while mom said she still loved me, one of the last things she told me before she died from cancer 6 months after I came out to her was that I needed to "get right with the Lord or I was going to Hell" (despite the fact that I am still a Christian)... Thankfully my father & brother have at least been neutral about the whole thing, and my therapist & trans friends I met online have been supportive of me exploring my gender identity & expression. I've also considered going on HRT, but one absolutely HUGE negative in the cons column is that my mom's family carries the mutated versions of the BRCA1 or BRCA2 genes, which means that if you're female, you have pretty much a 100% chance of getting breast or ovarian cancer by the time you're 50 & dead from it by the time you're 60: It got my mom, her oldest sister & her second youngest sister, and I don't want to risk starting HRT, developing breasts, then getting breast cancer & being dead in 15 years...
@@davidinmossy Well, it worked out in the end more or less: My therapist helped me realize my ex-wife was a narcissistic psychopath, and the guy she left me for was her boss, who was not only fairly ugly, but also at least 25 years older than she was, but made about 5 times what I did, so I think you can figure the real reason she left. Also, I've been on really good terms with my dad since mom passed away, and I'm in a much better place than I was 10 years ago, mentally speaking, despite everything I've been through since then.
@@DJ_BonebrakerWell my wife hasn't threatened to leave, she's just struggling to understand it. We've been together since 2008 and she says I've always been "very masculine" but I've explained that was compensating and I was never comfortable doing it
@@EmpireGamingWynter I just hope you & your wife can work things out. Unfortunately, my ex didn't even want to try... She was a complete homophobe, but ironically in the exact inverse way a lot of "Dudebro" homophobes are: Like those guys are usually all like, "Gay guys are disgusting, but lesbians are hot!" while my ex was like, "Gay guys are hot, but lesbians are gross!" (exact quote from her, mind you), so hopefully you two don't have that issue to deal with...
As someone who is Gender Non Confirming and cis-adjacent woman, im glad Finn came out as genderfluid but im also happy for his contribution to the gnc community. So much of the egg discourse dismisses gender-non-conformity, so i hope Finn serves as a great example of someone is who is gnc to some extent
Gender can be so fun, cis-adjacent woman, I love that. I call myself woman-adjacent cis(?). Gender is like a fidget toy, it looks useless and lame when it just sits there, but once you start twisting it... that's where the fun begins.
@@anzaia2164 I'm a bit of a gender abolitionist, but more on the "the institution of gender is cringe" rather than the concept of gender being cringe and it has helped a lot with understanding my own non-conformity specially having been raised with third-worlder and immigrant gender culture
@@im_aleey I personally think it did especially because he says he didn’t feel like he deserved to think of himself as a woman- thankfully he is finally in a place where he can discover himself on his own terms.
@@bibsp3556 as a fellow youth, we may be better at not letting it get us down. But as someone who is the same age as Finn, I have had a similar experience where people telling me who they thought I was hindered me discovering that for myself. So I just empathize with Finn quite a bit
@literallylancelotstreaming oh that sucks you had to deal with that. I have no way to relate myself, but it's how it's seemed from my perspective. Other people always wanna have their say, that's gotta be annoying. I don't deal with it, but I can only imagine it's exhausting. As if it's any of their business.
To vaush's point about the joking that everyone is gay or trans thing, I got called gay a lot because I'm a sensitive guy who never made any moves with women. It led me to question it a lot, but I realised that I just am ace (demi more accurately). I would always get really uncomfortable when other guys would be like "look at her omg shes so hot" or whatever. My point being, I guess I am a kind of gay so I'm arguing against myself😂. Love yourself, love other people, give space to both as we learn how to do that❤
I'm a woman, but I know what you mean about the teasing. It took a while to realize I'm on the ace spectrum and demiromantic. I didn't show that much interest in guys but I still got the "Oooo you have a crush on him don't you?". It wasn't helpful. People have to figure this stuff out in their own time.
When I came out as bi to my parents and my brother (pretty recent, a bit over a year ago) the reactions were so interesting. I got the "oh, I guess it's in style now/might be a phase" comment from my dad, "well, I kinda always knew" from my mom and the BEST response from my brother. "well" followed by some meme
I did the same last year, and my mum's response was this: "I've been wanting to ask you that since you were about twenty..." I had been nervous as hell, wondering what the reaction would be, only to discover she knew. Colour me surprised...!
When an egg hatches, it is good, that doesn't mean we break them open. Eggs can be eggs as long as they need to. We should make a comfortable environment for everyone, like a nice warm incubator, by letting everyone know that being trans or otherwise queer is good and they will be welcomed and supported regardless.
Transphobes: just because you want to look like the opposite gender doesn’t mean you’re trans! Just be a tomboy or a femboy! Finn: so I can transition physically and identify a man still? Transphobes: NOOOOO
The egg discourse is a lib attitude similar to thinking "Oh this republician/centristis is so close to realizing the lies of capitalism and becoming a commie!" The best-case scenario is just throwing the facts out there and letting them kinda pick up the facts on the way. Telling them "Hey you could be trans commie, join me now brother/sister/comrade!" can only really serve to make them think you're cringe and keep a safe distance until either they become rightwing, ironically develop an anti-personality against it, or nothing.
yup he was, when Vaush was saying that Finn's skin is too smooth for him to not be on HRT... Finn was already on HRT, badly- mfer had no idea about dosages and was using like 1/2 the daily dose of gel, every 4 days, BUT he was on HRT.
@@HappyGingerWolfI can, because F1nn literally said that on his stream. He also said that as of about 6 months ago he's using the same doses of estradiol gel that a trans woman would use.
I agree that callouts are bad, but exposure to trans people talking about about their eggsperiences (which is also a kind of egg discourse) is very good. Don't yell at someone "What, you egg!" and stab them with accusations, that will only get them defensive. You can't argue a person out of being an egg. Though you can point them to communities that they can explore at their own pace. Back in the day I was lead to egg_irl without even knowing what an "egg" was. Browsing that sub and finding it way too relatable forced me to finally admit being trans _to myself_ in a way that being told wouldn't have.
Seeing his parents at the end, really makes me realize what made me uncomfortable with the reality that I was trans as a youngin'. If only people were just comfortable around each other and accepted each other despite their minor differences, I probably would've understood I was trans somewhere between 2 decades ago. People constantly talking about people who are trans, or gay in hushed tones, showing each other "shock" clips about attractive women that actually have dicks in a kind of "isn't that disgusting" sort of way... That's what kept me in the egg for so long...
Nooooo 😭 I was using them as an excuse to avoid looking too hard into my own recent girly and crossdressing tendencies 😭 But for real though I'm so happy for them 😊
lmao my partner convinced me to put on a dress once and I've been denying it ever since😂😅 I'm built like Vaush though so idk I'm kindof jealous in a non-malicious way of Fin because he makes it look SO good😅 Holding out for future Ghost In The Shell style bodysawpping tech to achieve my fox femboy final form😂😂😂
Be and do what you want, it doesn't have to mean anything unless you want it to. Frankly, I'm pretty sure F1NN's got the same autistic mentality towards gender going that me and a friend do and have talked about where we're only what we are through momentum and don't actually give much of a shit about it. The femboy thing just changed the momentum to feminine presentation. Hell, that pros and cons of HRT list is a whole discussion we've had, and the only reason I'm not seriously considering it is that it seems like more effort than I'm willing to put in to anything.
@@Darth_InsidiousYou're you. Forget any specific labels, just be you and do what makes you happy. It took me years to admit to friends and family that I'm bi, and now it's not even a topic of conversation.
Congrats to F1nn5ter, just brace for the right wing backlash. Being this high profile and trans causes the worst of humanity to come out of the woodwork.
They're just so, sad. Desperately out there searching for any signs of trans people, so they can go and throw out the most insane hate. They are completely obsessed. It makes me think a lot of them are projecting. Or at least, desperately clinging to their need to fit a nice box so society won't judge them. I don't think the trans people I know spend half as much time thinking about it as this weird mob of transphobes. It's almost at the level of mental illness; it consumes them.
@@bibsp3556You've put that very well - I have seen a fair few transphobic comments on F1nn's coming out video, and God, they're unhinged! The way you say it consumes them is a very good description - it's actually quite sad.
@@bibsp3556 Yes. They cling to their bigotry, because often that's all they have. Some manage to break free of it, but others never do. Life is too short to be consumed by hate but they have to want to change.
I know so many trans people who have a seething, jealous hatred for finnster and it’s been really sad to see. I wouldn’t end a friendship over something as meaningless as that but the way they just start seeing red whenever his name comes up has made me question everything about them.
what's their reasoning behind the hatred, if any? I just don't see what the issue could be, but this is the first I'm even learning of Fin's existence (zero disrespect intended).
@@i-love-comountains3850Some of it is niche intercommunity drama like the whole trans baiting thing, but for a lot of the trans girls I know, they had some envy of her passing better than them "even before transitioning". Similar to the egg discourse, a lot was joking and unproblematic, but there was a loud minority of people who legitimately had seething rage towards him.
@@i-love-comountains3850I asked one of them and she said “ugly…among many other reasons”. When I asked what the other reasons were, she wouldn’t tell me. My guess is that they don’t like him because he passes as a woman. Probably just a skill issue.
I completely agree with the egg thing, and have made similar arguments in the past. The memes was helpfull, and funny. And I joke with other trans people talking about our past selves. BUT I make a big point of not speculating about other people. On a different note, Finn being so openly comfortable with himself did help me in the past. "If he can do this, then what's stopping me from exploring myself?" Very happy for him. He sounds very happy ☺
This is like when Arin Hanson came out as bisexual. Literally NO ONE was surprised lol but we are all super happy for him. I don't really know this streamer but I'm happy for them ❤
He came out as bi some years ago, he didn't make it a big deal because he kind of always talked about himself as if he thought he was bi from what I remember and the fact that his fans just assumed that he was bi from the beginning probably helped to not being treated like a big deal
The trans community does self-police on the egg thing by the way, people are encouraged not to speculate like that. It’s a practice known as “The egg prime directive” (after the StarTrek non-interference directive obviously). Which isn’t to say people don’t slip through the cracks, particularly a young audience like F1nnst3r has.
I swear the bits at the end of F1nn's video with his parents had me smiling like an idiot - it was just so wholesome! I'm glad he found such acceptance, and in my own life, I am pleased to say I found the same from my own friends and family.
Good for them! Only thing I find weird is how many people know a million different internet personalities, and discuss them as if they are personally friends with them. Maybe its a gen z thing? Idk i'm old lol.
That is called a “parasocial” relationship. It can happen with anyone (like TV or movie characters or celebrities), but has become so much more common with online “influencers” who share so much of their life/personality online. It’s easy because you only see parts of their lives, but enough to fill in the blanks, and the “relatable” factor makes it easier to think that person could/would be your friend if you knew them in real life. If you’ve ever seen/heard of fanfiction, that’s essentially a parasocial relationship on a high level. I think it’s always existed, but the internet amplifies the intensity and visibility of it to a more extreme level
@@hydrogen3266 I've heard of this before, makes sense. It's still so strange to see videos where there isn't any info presented at the beginning on who or what is being talked about, then looking at the comments and seeing everyone else seems to know. A lot of streamers have their own subculture/in joke thing going on though, so I get it, and at the same time I remember when that type of thing was an in-person friend group only. The advancement of technology and cultural shifts within my lifetime alone is insane, and i'm only 33 lol.
@@KillerIntellect This isn't really a new phenomenon, just a new medium - and one that admittedly lets more people get to this place. Our generation's examples would be people like Jay Leno, Oprah, Ricki Lake, etc.: media personalities who have become such household names who really don't need any introduction to most people. Vaush explaining who Finn is would make as much sense now as if Eminem paused midway through the Real Slim Shady to explain who Carson Daly and Fred Durst were.
There's a good reason that Disco Elysium allows you to have your character think about homosexuality for over 12 hours only to be told by a gay guy to "stop obsessing over other people's sexuality".
I think the general blanket problem with transgenderism discourse is a problem with conformity. For all our talk in north america about freedom of choice and expression we generally have a serious problem with criticism. We have a serious issue with blanket statements, and labels wether you are trans or not we are uncomfortable with people who are not the same as us. We cant just say that person did a bad thing, we say that person did a bad thing because they are trans and all trans people are like that. We do the same thing with race and political identification and trolls on the internet stoking controversy and hatred for money and lulz are sometimes the worst most malicious bullies that the world has ever dealt with because nobody can really stop them or hold them to account.
Really happy for Finn, glad he's able to explore his gender; just hate how he normalizes "egg culture" one of the most counterproductive ideologies that cements heteronormative beliefs and forces people into gender binaries based on how they act or present themselves. Not all feminine men are eggs, not all masculine women are eggs, and it upsets me to see places like r/egg_irl disagree with these fundamental truths.
I am trans and I think egg discourse is very stupid, but I found egg jokes pretty funny when I was starting to figure stuff out related to myself. I think an important aspect of the egg analogy that isn't really talked about is when an egg hatches it has to hatch itself it cannot be broken from the outside before it's ready or there are many problems.
I am not trans but it seems that sometimes egg discourse can be very based in surface type gender stereotypes. But sometimes it seems to be based on more subtle things to do with the experience of being trans. Like some of it is trans people being like 'this person stands/talks/stares dejectedly into the the camera in photos the way I did before I came out/started to transition' (medically and/or socially). Those things obviously don't mean someone is definitely trans. It is almost like 'just a vibe' but it often seems really compelling to me. And I think it's because, being bisexual also, as much as I also didn't like constant jokes about it leading up to coming out, I do have a close friend who I knew in high school and we sort of knew about each other being queer without discussing it. And a lot of queer people to some degree have that experience of being able to recognise other queer people, in a way that isn't just based on stereotypes. Obviously not with perfect accuracy. But it is more like, the aggregate of a bunch of subtle things. I am not disagreeing about the ways in which the discourse can be annoying of create a lot of negative pressure.
Shouldn't we abandon the whole idea that gender identity and sexuality are simple? It's basically the same conversation everywhere you look; one side is arguing these things are complex, and one side is religiously trying to defend some old ideas of things for conservative reasons, insisting basically what ancient people thought about something is true. Shouldn't such arguments be as laughable as flat earth by now?
Anyone educated on the topic already basically sees transphobes as comparable to flat earthers. Though I don't see where the left is abandoning calling these issues simple. We still need simple enough explanations of complex phenomena to effectively communicate our perspectives to folks less educated on the matter, but that doesn't detract from the complexity of the issue.
@@joeyhernandez5375 What really gets me is why would I even need to simplify this, what my neighbor or someone from work identify as or what they do in the bedroom (or whatever room they choose) just doesn't really affect me in the least. Why aren't people capable of just saying "you do you, not my business" and focus on what actually is of real consequence to them? Even if something bothered me, I will have to make a conscious choice on whether I'm crossing lines outing that, is it actually their fault or just my small-mindedness. I would feel there's something wrong with me if I got up to similar kinds of transgressions that seem to be completely justified and normal to many.
I’ve considered it several times, but then I’ll see someone making fun of bald guys and decide receding hairline, fighting it with finesteride, and saving for a hair transplant is better.
its sort of odd to me, how much finnster is a role model to me. im a trans guy, i fully transitioned a year ago or so, everything but surgery. ive since taken a step back. i liked looking pretty and feminine, that was never a discomfort to me. i just didnt want to be a woman, nor was i really a man. hes made me fully understand that i can look like i did pretransition, with skirts and long hair and smooth skin and everything i loved, but i can still go by he/him, i can distance myself from womanhood. and its fine. those who love me will accept me regardless, and those who wont accept me as i am now wouldnt even if i was a binary trans guy
@@Infodumptruck just femboy really, nothing fancy. although im realizing im genderfluid and sometimes i wanna be masc in every way, where others i like being fem with masc pronouns and titles. not like there needs to be a name for everything though, im me and im happy with who i am
the way Finn talks about his gender reminds me a lot about that one time Vaush described a hypothetical future with an instant perfect gender switch button. People just wouldn't really care, a slight preference toward the other gender could cause someone to "transition" by pressing the button and the question of "what you were before" would lose all relevance. idk it seems like a step in that direction
The biggest hole in egg discourse is that it assumes the depth to which you are comfortable displaying your feelings is the same as the depth to which you are comfortable confronting and rationalizing your feelings. Some people just wanna think about what's going on with them for a while before making some statement to the world about it.
Easy fix to the sexuality bit: make sexuality based on the presentation you're attracted to, not the identity of your current partner. You can't observe an identity. How can you be attracted to something you can't observe? Could just be my biases as a bisexual agender person talking.
That kind of stereotyping, reinforcing gender roles behavior from trans people actually prevented me from cracking my egg. I was less open to exploring my gender out of feeling pressured into gender conformity and falling into a trend, because it felt like those right wing talking points were correct- people were pressuring me to be like them and were hypocritically reinforcing stereotypical gender roles. However, yes I am gender fluid trans and am happy now
I'm happy for him but stuff like this always feels bittersweet to me. I am unable to transition and I am unable to have a full life and those two would be strongly interconnected in my case.
The most suprising thing is that Vaush didn't talk about how correct he was in his assumption. Barely mentioned it. But I'm happy for Finn! And glad for Vaush.
Just being conscious of how gender is a social construct is important, imperative at this point. Cis people should be just as aware of this as trans people, and not just because they might become trans too. I dont need you to be trans, but i need you to pay attention to the conversation. Even if you come out the other side and are still comfortably cis, i think youll only have gained something from the process. Youll feel empowered to understand more about the society and people around you. And hopefully about yourself and what you want to make of your own gender. Thats a net positive, and youre still allowed to be cis if thats just how you are, thats literally the whole point - Consent to your gender, its your decision to make, its not up to anyone else.
There's definitely a growing obsession with labels, and treating those labels as prescriptive. When lables really are descriptive, and that can't be forgotten.
I thought this was neat, I didn't care about the egg discourse. It's funny, I do, however, think we need to let people figure it out, I'm fine with mild prodding but the egg jokes are a bit much
I've talked to my friend about this kind of thing a bunch, and we've both got what I'm pretty sure is a fairly autistic view of our gender, where we are what we are purely because of momentum, and don't really give a shit about it. I'm pretty sure F1NN's on a similar wavelength there, because the way he's talked about it is very familiar, especially the HRT discussion, and the femboy streaming thing was just enough to shift the momentum to feminine presentation.
i've recently discovered i'm gender fluid. didn't need to "come out" to my family, since they've always supported me (even with dad's indifference because he was always like that), but i am struggling with it as yet another tarjet on me along with asexuality and ADHD/ASD diagnosis in a country who's declared war on the human race because they're scared in a Pavlovian sense. still okay with she/her, though. my gender expressions tend to come out mostly in video games while i'm mostly neutral irl.
I think the thing about the egg happens to everybody. I'm ace, when friends and people talk about some things that are a bit relatable to my experience as ace, I would just think they could be also ace.
Yeah, you do become a lot more aware of experiences in others that match your own. For example, I'm autistic. Now that I got my diagnosis, I can spot certain autistic traits in others from a mile away. However, I would at most make an off-handed comment saying that I can relate to some of their behaviour and that it may be a sign for autism. I would never tell someone "you are autistic, you just don't know it yet" or something along those lines because it would be weirdly pushy and ignorant of the agency of the person in front of me. People are what they tell me they are. It's that simple.
There was a really good video I watched recently about how "queerbating, a lot of times, is just, "straight" people coming to terms with their own queerness?? And thats pretty cool and fun, and that sort of gender expression, and fluidity is actually a really healthy thing that shouldn't be exclusive. f1nn helped me realize I'm trans, in that, before she came out, last year, she described how he was cisgender, and dressing a certain way didn't mean you were trans, and for me, I thought, if I looked like her, I would want to be perceived as a woman. and that shattered me. so I'm happy he's come around too. Haha and she has just been such a wonderful, and wholesome parasocial part of a lot of people's life, that a lot of us have needed to feel okay about ourselves.
this is great. It's almost strange to see someone come out in this day and age without being totally swarmed over it - and that shouldn't be the case. Just be happy for people!
And in the end, the only reason binary gender is a thing is because we continue to buy into it. Lets stop forcing it on ourselves and on other people and just let people be themselves.
I only know who finnster is because he once appeared in a Philosophy tube video. Since then, I think twice I’ve been fed a short’s about them. I’m very happy that that they seem like a happy person who has lots of good people in the comments, but beyond a quick google, I know nothing deeply about them.
:| Oh god, I relate... I'm so happy he is starting to be able to find himself, I know I was happy figuring out "Oh I can be a woman? That's not a just me thing?" Very based journey, sending my queer love to my fellow pronoun user!
I had a friend in high school that we were all fairly certain was gay, but he didn't come out until much later. He later told us he stayed in the closet longer because he felt too socially pressured to come out and like he was dumb for not seeing what others had seen in him early on. I still feel kind of bad for unknowingly making it hard for him to come out. I know better now, but I do still feel that "oooh I know something others don't know!" feeling whenever my gaydar goes off and I have to consciously remind myself to not possibly out a person that isn't ready yet. If they're queer and want to tell me and others, they will.
Finn's video is just so good. Internet-poisoned reactionaries need to see that the "traps" that they adore have lives outside of a momentary gimmick. Real people who are outside the gender binary think about their identity and their place in the world, and that's not some political charade. And at the same time, he leaves nothing to ridicule. The video is so fun, so effortless, so "yeah everything's cool man, just on some HRT". Of course I'm happy for Finn too, but also in awe at the queer PR masterstroke.
So, there's a saying. If you are questioning whether or not you're trans, it's a pretty good sign you are. I personally have those same thoughts now and again, but it's reassuring to know that I'm not faking it. Congrats to Finnster.
Same here. Realizing the "what, doesn't everybody think about and fantasize about these things?" was not, in fact, an "everyone" thing was a moment lol
I'm firmly in the camp of "way too broad and masc presenting to ever pull off the feme image I have of myself (?)" or however it ought to be phrased, but yeah. Realizing those thoughts were okay was a helpful realization though.😅
Maybe for a lot, but maybe there are a lot of people just exploring a bit that end up finding out they're not. It'd be nice if people were open to that exploration more in general, perhaps. Even within the cis realms, there's a lot of pressure to be hyper masculine or feminine, which people dont fit, and people might simply be exploring that. But you're probably right. What do I know, im just a dude.
I can't believe he came out as alpha male.
Like a stallion😂😂😂
There is also an "alpha male camp" where insecure conservative men pay $18k to spend 3 days getting screamed at and tortured by ex-Marines on the basis that it will restore their masculinity
When is coming out as straight gonna get a 20 min vaush video? Gays are so yesteryear
@@FakefulandDisgracedSlaveClass Once the gay agenda has run its course, and the pendulum swings the other way, of course lol.
@@FakefulandDisgracedSlaveClass We're the Fu
Future baby!!! Woooo!!!
I'm ready for Matt Walsh to make another video telling people they shouldn't be happy without his permission.
So... just not happy ever then. If he thinks his son is "manipulating" him when the poor kid asks for ice-cream and then settles for them to watch a movie together, then there is NO WAY he wants anyone else to be happy.
I mean he literally said he didn't recognize his wife as an autonomous human being until AFTER they got married. 💀
SunnyV2 video dropping soon?
oh, boo hoo hoo. poor Mattie, everyone is happy and he's jealous.
Matt Walsh needs everyone to be as miserable as him because if people who don't live their lives like he does are happy, then that means his religion and politics are wrong and he won't ever accept that. So back into the closet you go.
@@user-th1pv6ks5oI said it once and I’ll say it again. Conservatism is just narcissism and sociopathy made into a political ideology.
The ending with his parents was really heartwarming too
It gave me life
THAT WAS SO CUTE
It was, wasn't it? His parents seem like brilliant people!
Bro's not gender fluid, he's the whole gender ocean.
Zamn if he’s the ocean than I’m badland chugs 😩
@@berserkerpotato1521honestly
@@berserkerpotato1521 Fr
Once I realized I was attracted to feminine gender presentation and not “biological females” my world started making a lot more sense.
Seriously though😂 Then my preferences expanded and realizing that human gender identity and sexual preferences are an incomprehensibly broad spectrum. I hope in 10 years we're looked at as luddites because nobody worries about these things and accepts everyone for who and what they're into.
Same
same , it expanded my horizons and how I see people, It makes me appreciate them more
100%
Yea this lol. I don't care if it's boy, girl or nb person. Whatever. Just be cute and fem.
Years before I realised I was bisexual, all my friends joked about me being bisexual. This led to me panicking that I was "queerbaiting" so I tried to stop giving any hints that I could be gay, thus stopping me exploring my sexuality. Let people discover themselves in their own time.
I think that's my only issue, the "Yeah, You're definitely 'Blank'" discourse is super frustrating for the reason you stated. It could easily encourage people to stop exploring because they're embarrassed. Another issue is that it can also feel like "erasure via fantasy" like, "Yes, this is the identity you ascribe yourself, but I'm definitely right". My girl is bi, but she's been told by her queer friends, that's she's straight because she's going out with a guy and hasn't been with a girl. In a similar vein, I've been told by my friends that they're sure I'm Gay and just haven't come out yet because I'm a nice person and have an absolutely built dumpy.
I'm fine because I've already explored my sexuality and understand that I will never be sexually attracted to men or women that are packing. So because of that I will never feel obligated to adhere to the beliefs of others in that way, but I can see why others are made very uncomfortable.
Happy to see people exploring being more normalized.
@@DudesterGX Can't a person just have a nice ass in peace?
@@Montesama314Damn Straight (Literal)
"queerbating" if anyone applies this word to a person they have brainrot
With respect @rebekkahill4664, in my experience, that sounds more like the idea that "non-queer people can engage in queerbaiting, and this is bad" is a deeply harmful and gatekeeping idea that needs to be put to bed, permanently. I'm sorry that you lost time exploring your sexuality, reasons regardless. Everyone should be encouraged to explore at their own pace with no pressure to be anything or pressures not to "impose" by "queerbaiting". I'm very happy to know it did not keep you in the closet forever.
i've had people who don't know me very well accuse me of being an mtf egg because i'm a feminine guy when i'm literally a trans man, it's so weird i hate that tendency, they're just policing the gender presentation of people they think are cishet.
That kind of stereotyping, reinforcing gender roles behavior from trans people actually prevented me from cracking my egg. I was less open to exploring my gender out of feeling pressured into gender conformity and falling into a trend, because it felt like those right wing talking points were correct- people were pressuring me to be like them and were hypocritically reinforcing stereotypical gender roles. However, yes I am gender fluid trans and am happy now
Really disheartening to learn that Finnster is British. I had no idea.
I don't know if I can recover from this 😢
F1nn has said many times that it's even worse being from Birmingham than just being British! 😂
@@iana6713im from birmingham, f1nn is completely correct
@@bobross2577 Ain't much better where I am in Scotland!
@@iana6713IDK about that, the mere existence Birmingham much like the M25 is evidence of the Devils work on earth but the poor unfortunate souls that reside there are not and should not be held accountable for the supernatural hellhole that Birmingham is.
I had a “viral” comment on one of fin’s short pages that said something like, “It’s good for trans people if cis people explore their gender without ‘being trans.’”
I still stand by that. Happy for Finn! And happy for anyone that discovers their relationship with gender
I think you're probably right.
It'd be good for cis people too. Some of my contemporaries are so high strung about this stuff that I pity their boring lives.
@@bibsp3556 The absolute joy of self-discovery and happy ‘who cares’ confidence that emanates from Fin’s video should bring a smile to anyone’s face and maybe even help them question their prejudices and repressed feelings, no matter how old and jaded and straight and narrow-minded they are.
(Writing as a jaded, straight, not-so-narrow-minded, 55 year old cis Englishman who is increasingly horrified by the world, but whose eyes got more than a bit watery as he shared this wholesome happy video with his friends on facebook)
Wel yeah, it just is.
Probs a lot fewer trans people would be dealing with childhood trauma if we as a society were just cool with guys wearing skirts.
Tbh there's a whole push for him to be trans overs many years. It's sad that he needs to pretend he's something he's not just to "fit in".
@SinclairLocke where did he say that's what they're doing? Or at least where did you get that info?
He drank the gender fluid finally
Is that the same chemicals making the frogs gay?
@@im_aleey I think I ate a gay frog by accident once. Will I become gay?
@@jernaugurgeh451you will suffer from the transitive property of gay
@@jernaugurgeh451no you will become a frog
@@jernaugurgeh451 you already are
"Dude, Finn just came out as-"
"Cute? Yeah, already knew that."
I know it's a dick move to say "We already knew good for you" but damn the entire community seems to feel that way right now.
@@DieAlteistwiederda I was somewhat reminded of those celebrity-obsessed "transvestigators" who say "We can always tell!", but at least it's good-natured and generally accepting vibes sent around.
@@DieAlteistwiederda Sorry, allow me. *clears throat* Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
had a friend group who consistently called me gay for years. Definitely would have come out as bi sooner had they not.
For REAL though...So much of my own struggles with my preferences and feelings about my own gender all stem from a decade and a half of gay-shaming in school.
I really have hope for the younger generations ending that b.s.
Finnster's gender is Hot
God right? The pinnacle of gender fluidity.
Vaush I totally agree with you on the egg stuff. Some people might not be ready to come out too, so pointing it out might make them self conscious about it, especially if they have internalized homophobia/transphobia.
As a cis-hetero female who doesn’t conform to gender standards and “dresses” and “acts” gay, I’ve had way too many people try to convince me that I’m not straight or cis. That’s reinforcing harmful stereotypes about gender and sexuality, and it always made me super self-conscious
that's awesome, keep on keepin' on. Genuinely, as someone who isn't straight or cis, people who are but challenge gender norms help make society safer and healthier for everybody in it. It becomes a sort of "I'm spartacus!" "no I'M spartacus!" situation where someone getting singled out for going against the grain isn't guaranteed to be one of the undesirables the fashies want to exterminate
Big agree. Speaking as a Queer gal who shares those experiences, it’s such reductive, essentialist bullshit that we need to shame out of the idiots who push it. It’s blatant boundary stomping.
People became more literate in some signs of queerness and got way too comfortable and arrogant calling it wherever they think they see it, regardless of their target’s comfort. It just reminds me of my queerphobic bullies when I was 12.
There’s also the insult of people treating your Current ID and sense of self as a Stepping Stone that they’re wiser than you on. It’s so insulting.
“People don’t have the potential to be wider than my Multiple Choice identity archetypes. If they exhibit X they must be Y.” Regardless if their bet becomes true or not, absolutely arrogant, twat behaviour. Fuck all of them.
It is supper annoying honestly how so many people are convinced that their sexuality or maind set is the only true one and everyone else is just secretly lying to themselves. It gets pretty tedious talking to them. lol my gay grandma was convinced that no woman enjoyed being with men and nothing anyone said, including her own daughter would convince her otherwise.
It's this illusion we want to have that everyone's the same because that makes them fundamentally safe and predictable. And even if the world around us is full of examples to the contrary, we somehow manage to bang this illusion into our heads and believe in it.
I understand where it comes from. Being autistic I struggle with theory of mind and I think a lot of people who do this also struggle with theory of mind lol. That a long with how lonely it must be being a very small minority...looking for signs others around you are trans or some form of queer makes sense. I do this with being asexual or demisexual.
@@x-xPhobia Very similar for me but this is a different conversation and a personal one I'm not too prepared to have in yt comments :) I very much get what you're saying.
@@x-xPhobia I can get the desire to want to see your self in others. however it does get frustrating when any time you enjoy something out side your box you get almost accused of being this or that. Like i enjoy female led romantic fantasy, something i can't really talk about with out someone hinting that i am gay or an egg. I am a cis dude, why wouldn't i enjoy a book that casually describes a womans state of undress constantly!!!!!!? I could shrug off mockery, but trying to convince someone who thinks they are helping you is just a pain in the ass.
@@x-xPhobia Yeah, I am trans but not autistic, but most of my family are autistic, and the struggle with understanding that other people think differently from you is real. My brother was kind of weird about my gender at first because he doesn't have gender dysphoria, so he thought that I must have deluding myself due to social pressure into thinking I needed to change my body etc. I know that sounds bad but he just genuinely could not grasp the concept until I worded it in a way that worked with how his brain views gender. I really think a lot of egg discourse is autistic trans people just flat out not understanding that other people don't all think the same way as them.
Literally the least surprising coming out ever, but still good to see.
i was calling him a her for the past year.
who's next, the catboy guy who went on a date with tucker carlson?
@@ains2904 you really shouldn't do that
@@ains2904well his pronouns are still he/him so I think you should keep using he/him
@@Sensei_gojo he does prefer he/him but says in the video that he uses any/all at this point
@@lurtz8656oh really? I actually didn’t notice, mb. If he prefers he/him than I’ll still use that then
Speaking as a trans person, Vaush is right on the money about the egg discourse. I was uncomfortable hearing other trans people being eager for cis people to come out, both before and after I came out, and I've always had a hard time explaining why that felt wrong to me.
Sadly that “eager to trans the cis folks” bit really gets played up by right wingers to fearmongher
where do you see trans people "eager for cis people to come out"? i never see other trans people doing this, and i cant imagine hoping someone else is trans, especially in today's world where being trans is so dangerous. is this even a real phenomenon or is it an *extremely* rare thing that gets blown out of proportion by conservatives?
@@an0bserver2000last I check the trans community on Reddit was fond of that kind of thing. It is Reddit though so go figure
@@an0bserver2000 When you have a video talking about trans issues and there's someone commenting they're cis and still watching that video because who knows, they find it interesting, they want to educate themselves, just stumbled about it, it doesn't really matter, you'll very often (if there are enough replies I'd argue it is guaranteed even) get some egg-comment. So that is a thing. Also people insisting they always knew F1nnster was trans? Or making these kinds of jokes when he'd always they that he had considered it but come to the conclusion he was cis?
These are things that are happening, idk about people „hoping someone else is trans“ beyond that but these things alone are bad enough imo
@@ldbonq if you look at something a tiny portion of a group of people is doing you could make similar claims about literally any demographic. why does no one say "the cis community is fond of being nazis" when cis nazis clearly exist. why is it ok to make these broad generalisations about a minority group but not the majority one?
just because a tiny handful of people do something does not mean its reflective of a broader trend in the "trans community". this is reactionary thinking.
Best advice I've heard in terms of the egg speculation is this. Eggs are supposed to hatch, not crack. You can talk to folks about their gender and all that, but let them develop on their own. You can help the egg hatch, but don't rush it or crack it.
Have you not seen an egg hatch? The animals literally crack the shell when they are ready to hatch!
So cracking an egg in the trans umbrella/community, its actually a proper explanation!
@@chloeholmes4641 Hatching is when the chick breaks the egg from the inside. Cracking is when you break it from the outside. That’s the distinction OP is making.
@@Notyourproblemdumdum and how does the chick break the egg if their beaks are weak? They don't just hatch like a pokemon or pop out of the egg when they are ready to hatch like an alien chest burster. The chick repeatedly pecks at the shell "cracking it" to make it easier to break out of!
That's what I'm correcting Op when they say that eggs don't "crack" but they hatch!
@@chloeholmes4641bro are you a moron or something? The distinction being made by OP is that "hatching" is the process of cracking and emerging from inside the egg and "cracking" is cracking the egg externally
You're taking a statement obviously built as a figure of speech way too literally. Stop it. We know hatching requires eggs to be cracked.
His dad going "i never wanted a son" is hilarious and adorable. Also his girlfriend is very sweet.
It's based af and I'm so happy for him
The broader point Vaush is making here is so relevant.
I came out as genderfluid last year, at 32. My wife, my family were all convinced I was influenced by trans spaces online and it made me gender fluid. They don't think that now, thankfully, but it was more that I'd had non-gender conforming thoughts my entire life, they were always background thoughts because I never had the knowledge or language to verbalise it and I grew up in a time when trans visibility was almost zero.
These trans spaces gave me the language and knowledge to look inside myself and actually verbalise those thoughts and I came to terms with myself. Now I'm looking into HRT. My family think thats really soon after coming out, but to me, it feels like when I came out, I opened the floodgates and I felt ALL 32 years of suppressing that hitting me at once.
I was in a similar situation 10 years ago: I came out as bi-gender at the age of 35 after finally discovering that sometimes wanting to be a guy & sometimes wanting to be a girl was actually a thing. Unfortunately my then wife & mom were not very supportive of all... My wife left & claimed it was my gender identity as the primary reason, and while mom said she still loved me, one of the last things she told me before she died from cancer 6 months after I came out to her was that I needed to "get right with the Lord or I was going to Hell" (despite the fact that I am still a Christian)... Thankfully my father & brother have at least been neutral about the whole thing, and my therapist & trans friends I met online have been supportive of me exploring my gender identity & expression.
I've also considered going on HRT, but one absolutely HUGE negative in the cons column is that my mom's family carries the mutated versions of the BRCA1 or BRCA2 genes, which means that if you're female, you have pretty much a 100% chance of getting breast or ovarian cancer by the time you're 50 & dead from it by the time you're 60: It got my mom, her oldest sister & her second youngest sister, and I don't want to risk starting HRT, developing breasts, then getting breast cancer & being dead in 15 years...
Damn that sucks for your family.....
@@davidinmossy Well, it worked out in the end more or less: My therapist helped me realize my ex-wife was a narcissistic psychopath, and the guy she left me for was her boss, who was not only fairly ugly, but also at least 25 years older than she was, but made about 5 times what I did, so I think you can figure the real reason she left.
Also, I've been on really good terms with my dad since mom passed away, and I'm in a much better place than I was 10 years ago, mentally speaking, despite everything I've been through since then.
@@DJ_BonebrakerWell my wife hasn't threatened to leave, she's just struggling to understand it. We've been together since 2008 and she says I've always been "very masculine" but I've explained that was compensating and I was never comfortable doing it
@@EmpireGamingWynter I just hope you & your wife can work things out. Unfortunately, my ex didn't even want to try... She was a complete homophobe, but ironically in the exact inverse way a lot of "Dudebro" homophobes are: Like those guys are usually all like, "Gay guys are disgusting, but lesbians are hot!" while my ex was like, "Gay guys are hot, but lesbians are gross!" (exact quote from her, mind you), so hopefully you two don't have that issue to deal with...
The gender people have gotten to him. /j
As a person who partakes in gender myself, it's lovely to see.
I used to do some gender now and then, but I lost the taste for it and took up knitting.
Personally I only sample gender every now and then. Gender in moderation if you will
We should criminalize gender lol
You have to be carefull, it is said that Gender can lead to way worse addictions... it is said
I only microdose gender a few times a week
Finnster just seems so frickin’ nice.
I started watching his vids after the coming out since I was curious and he’s funny asf. And him and his girlfriend are a cute ass couple
@@Sensei_gojo Finn and Icky are adorable together
As someone who is Gender Non Confirming and cis-adjacent woman, im glad Finn came out as genderfluid but im also happy for his contribution to the gnc community. So much of the egg discourse dismisses gender-non-conformity, so i hope Finn serves as a great example of someone is who is gnc to some extent
Gender can be so fun, cis-adjacent woman, I love that. I call myself woman-adjacent cis(?). Gender is like a fidget toy, it looks useless and lame when it just sits there, but once you start twisting it... that's where the fun begins.
@@anzaia2164 I'm a bit of a gender abolitionist, but more on the "the institution of gender is cringe" rather than the concept of gender being cringe and it has helped a lot with understanding my own non-conformity specially having been raised with third-worlder and immigrant gender culture
No matter what, if you do something ironically long enough you start doing it unironically
Vaush: surprise fashion segue
Chat: "youre wearing an unwound coral snake for a shirt, youre one to talk"
chat was not surprised
I was honestly surprised just because I thought people calling him an egg would have hindered him for longer than it did.
For all we know it might have.
@@im_aleey I personally think it did especially because he says he didn’t feel like he deserved to think of himself as a woman- thankfully he is finally in a place where he can discover himself on his own terms.
The youth is surprisingly good at not letting it get them down.
@@bibsp3556 as a fellow youth, we may be better at not letting it get us down. But as someone who is the same age as Finn, I have had a similar experience where people telling me who they thought I was hindered me discovering that for myself.
So I just empathize with Finn quite a bit
@literallylancelotstreaming oh that sucks you had to deal with that. I have no way to relate myself, but it's how it's seemed from my perspective. Other people always wanna have their say, that's gotta be annoying. I don't deal with it, but I can only imagine it's exhausting. As if it's any of their business.
Finnster based as usual 🦈 (also voosh was 100% right the whole time immediate conclooder dub)
Fin: “sooo im not Cis nor heterosexual…”
Literally everyone: this is our shocked face 🙃
To vaush's point about the joking that everyone is gay or trans thing, I got called gay a lot because I'm a sensitive guy who never made any moves with women. It led me to question it a lot, but I realised that I just am ace (demi more accurately). I would always get really uncomfortable when other guys would be like "look at her omg shes so hot" or whatever. My point being, I guess I am a kind of gay so I'm arguing against myself😂. Love yourself, love other people, give space to both as we learn how to do that❤
I'm a woman, but I know what you mean about the teasing. It took a while to realize I'm on the ace spectrum and demiromantic. I didn't show that much interest in guys but I still got the "Oooo you have a crush on him don't you?". It wasn't helpful. People have to figure this stuff out in their own time.
I'm straight but I still get that type of teasing, just because I don't fuck around.
When I came out as bi to my parents and my brother (pretty recent, a bit over a year ago) the reactions were so interesting. I got the "oh, I guess it's in style now/might be a phase" comment from my dad, "well, I kinda always knew" from my mom and the BEST response from my brother.
"well" followed by some meme
I did the same last year, and my mum's response was this: "I've been wanting to ask you that since you were about twenty..." I had been nervous as hell, wondering what the reaction would be, only to discover she knew. Colour me surprised...!
My dad said the phase thing too-- he was right, I turned out to be a full blown lesbian. Oops.
When an egg hatches, it is good, that doesn't mean we break them open. Eggs can be eggs as long as they need to. We should make a comfortable environment for everyone, like a nice warm incubator, by letting everyone know that being trans or otherwise queer is good and they will be welcomed and supported regardless.
the egg is a non-newtonian fluid, trying to crack it only makes it stronger. only by relaxing and letting it be an egg will it crack.
@@killermetalwolf2843 brilliant take! 👍
If an egg hatches, you can get a swan.
If you crack an egg, you only get an omelette.
@@bibsp3556 excellent analysis my friend
yea, Eggs hatch, they don't get cracked from the outside, what are you trying to make happen banging against that shell? A fucking omlette?
He/him booba 💪
Man tiddies!
I've never found myself agreeing more with caveman speak
Transphobes: just because you want to look like the opposite gender doesn’t mean you’re trans! Just be a tomboy or a femboy!
Finn: so I can transition physically and identify a man still?
Transphobes: NOOOOO
The egg discourse is a lib attitude similar to thinking "Oh this republician/centristis is so close to realizing the lies of capitalism and becoming a commie!" The best-case scenario is just throwing the facts out there and letting them kinda pick up the facts on the way. Telling them "Hey you could be trans commie, join me now brother/sister/comrade!" can only really serve to make them think you're cringe and keep a safe distance until either they become rightwing, ironically develop an anti-personality against it, or nothing.
Finster with his mom: You made me eat nothing but fruits growing up, and it turns out I became what I ate. Fucking based man.
Very physically attractive gender fluid. Not my type, but still admire their attractiveness.
The most manly man.
He's a true spartan now
VOWSH HAS NEVER BEEN WRONG IN HIS LIFE HE WAS RIGHT WITH THE HRT THING TOO?!
yup he was, when Vaush was saying that Finn's skin is too smooth for him to not be on HRT... Finn was already on HRT, badly- mfer had no idea about dosages and was using like 1/2 the daily dose of gel, every 4 days, BUT he was on HRT.
@@IndependentObservercan you say he's using it badly if you don't know what effects he's wanting to get out of it? Maybe it's intentional
@@HappyGingerWolfI can, because F1nn literally said that on his stream. He also said that as of about 6 months ago he's using the same doses of estradiol gel that a trans woman would use.
I think Vaush will tell you he made some mistakes.
@@IndependentObserver What does that mean
I cant believe they made bridget guilty gear real
Finnster 🤝 Bridget
Being femboys but having to pretend they're not so online weirdos will leave them alone.
I agree that callouts are bad, but exposure to trans people talking about about their eggsperiences (which is also a kind of egg discourse) is very good. Don't yell at someone "What, you egg!" and stab them with accusations, that will only get them defensive. You can't argue a person out of being an egg. Though you can point them to communities that they can explore at their own pace. Back in the day I was lead to egg_irl without even knowing what an "egg" was. Browsing that sub and finding it way too relatable forced me to finally admit being trans _to myself_ in a way that being told wouldn't have.
I feel like there was an ancient meme baked in this comment
Edit: Oh yeah, the Shakespeare quote
Seeing his parents at the end, really makes me realize what made me uncomfortable with the reality that I was trans as a youngin'.
If only people were just comfortable around each other and accepted each other despite their minor differences, I probably would've understood I was trans somewhere between 2 decades ago.
People constantly talking about people who are trans, or gay in hushed tones, showing each other "shock" clips about attractive women that actually have dicks in a kind of "isn't that disgusting" sort of way... That's what kept me in the egg for so long...
Nooooo 😭 I was using them as an excuse to avoid looking too hard into my own recent girly and crossdressing tendencies 😭 But for real though I'm so happy for them 😊
lmao my partner convinced me to put on a dress once and I've been denying it ever since😂😅
I'm built like Vaush though so idk I'm kindof jealous in a non-malicious way of Fin because he makes it look SO good😅
Holding out for future Ghost In The Shell style bodysawpping tech to achieve my fox femboy final form😂😂😂
Be and do what you want, it doesn't have to mean anything unless you want it to.
Frankly, I'm pretty sure F1NN's got the same autistic mentality towards gender going that me and a friend do and have talked about where we're only what we are through momentum and don't actually give much of a shit about it. The femboy thing just changed the momentum to feminine presentation.
Hell, that pros and cons of HRT list is a whole discussion we've had, and the only reason I'm not seriously considering it is that it seems like more effort than I'm willing to put in to anything.
You can be cis and straight and wear a dress. Maybe not super common but my friend does it sometimes, to support his non-binary sibling.
@@TitaniusAnglesmith Well I'm definitely not straight, I'm pan. But I think I'm likely cis.
@@Darth_InsidiousYou're you. Forget any specific labels, just be you and do what makes you happy. It took me years to admit to friends and family that I'm bi, and now it's not even a topic of conversation.
Congrats to F1nn5ter, just brace for the right wing backlash. Being this high profile and trans causes the worst of humanity to come out of the woodwork.
That's what we are here for, to shield against the backlash
They're just so, sad. Desperately out there searching for any signs of trans people, so they can go and throw out the most insane hate. They are completely obsessed. It makes me think a lot of them are projecting. Or at least, desperately clinging to their need to fit a nice box so society won't judge them.
I don't think the trans people I know spend half as much time thinking about it as this weird mob of transphobes. It's almost at the level of mental illness; it consumes them.
@@bibsp3556You've put that very well - I have seen a fair few transphobic comments on F1nn's coming out video, and God, they're unhinged! The way you say it consumes them is a very good description - it's actually quite sad.
@@iana6713 if it wasn't a choice (to be a bigot), I'd feel worse. They just gotta do better, it's bad for everyone involved.
@@bibsp3556 Yes. They cling to their bigotry, because often that's all they have. Some manage to break free of it, but others never do. Life is too short to be consumed by hate but they have to want to change.
I know so many trans people who have a seething, jealous hatred for finnster and it’s been really sad to see. I wouldn’t end a friendship over something as meaningless as that but the way they just start seeing red whenever his name comes up has made me question everything about them.
what's their reasoning behind the hatred, if any? I just don't see what the issue could be, but this is the first I'm even learning of Fin's existence (zero disrespect intended).
Honestly, him doing this makes me feel happy. Knowing that if he can do it, so can I.
@@i-love-comountains3850Some of it is niche intercommunity drama like the whole trans baiting thing, but for a lot of the trans girls I know, they had some envy of her passing better than them "even before transitioning".
Similar to the egg discourse, a lot was joking and unproblematic, but there was a loud minority of people who legitimately had seething rage towards him.
.... HUH?
@@i-love-comountains3850I asked one of them and she said “ugly…among many other reasons”. When I asked what the other reasons were, she wouldn’t tell me. My guess is that they don’t like him because he passes as a woman. Probably just a skill issue.
I completely agree with the egg thing, and have made similar arguments in the past. The memes was helpfull, and funny. And I joke with other trans people talking about our past selves. BUT I make a big point of not speculating about other people.
On a different note, Finn being so openly comfortable with himself did help me in the past. "If he can do this, then what's stopping me from exploring myself?"
Very happy for him. He sounds very happy ☺
This is like when Arin Hanson came out as bisexual. Literally NO ONE was surprised lol but we are all super happy for him.
I don't really know this streamer but I'm happy for them ❤
Wait, Arin came out as bi?! When did this happen?
You're right though, not surprising at all
when?? i haven't kept up with the game grumps but honestly, not surprised. good for him!!
He came out as bi some years ago, he didn't make it a big deal because he kind of always talked about himself as if he thought he was bi from what I remember and the fact that his fans just assumed that he was bi from the beginning probably helped to not being treated like a big deal
Arin jokes about kissing dads a lot- but when he kisses your dad, it's not gonna be a joke. It's gonna be steamy and passionate.
I had suspicions ever since he talked about getting double-teamed on the set of Happy Days. Did not sound super straight to me lol
OMG TWINSIES. The only reason I don’t feel invalid on bad days being genderfluid is my indigenous heritage so this is comforting honestly.
He feared twinkdeath so much he took hrt
Unironically same, that's literally how I came out lmfao
The trans community does self-police on the egg thing by the way, people are encouraged not to speculate like that. It’s a practice known as “The egg prime directive” (after the StarTrek non-interference directive obviously).
Which isn’t to say people don’t slip through the cracks, particularly a young audience like F1nnst3r has.
absolutely no disrespect but the binary trans community _would_ make it a star trek thing, that's incredibly funny to me. Well done
I swear the bits at the end of F1nn's video with his parents had me smiling like an idiot - it was just so wholesome! I'm glad he found such acceptance, and in my own life, I am pleased to say I found the same from my own friends and family.
Good for them!
Only thing I find weird is how many people know a million different internet personalities, and discuss them as if they are personally friends with them. Maybe its a gen z thing? Idk i'm old lol.
That is called a “parasocial” relationship. It can happen with anyone (like TV or movie characters or celebrities), but has become so much more common with online “influencers” who share so much of their life/personality online. It’s easy because you only see parts of their lives, but enough to fill in the blanks, and the “relatable” factor makes it easier to think that person could/would be your friend if you knew them in real life. If you’ve ever seen/heard of fanfiction, that’s essentially a parasocial relationship on a high level. I think it’s always existed, but the internet amplifies the intensity and visibility of it to a more extreme level
@@hydrogen3266 I've heard of this before, makes sense. It's still so strange to see videos where there isn't any info presented at the beginning on who or what is being talked about, then looking at the comments and seeing everyone else seems to know. A lot of streamers have their own subculture/in joke thing going on though, so I get it, and at the same time I remember when that type of thing was an in-person friend group only. The advancement of technology and cultural shifts within my lifetime alone is insane, and i'm only 33 lol.
@@KillerIntellect This isn't really a new phenomenon, just a new medium - and one that admittedly lets more people get to this place. Our generation's examples would be people like Jay Leno, Oprah, Ricki Lake, etc.: media personalities who have become such household names who really don't need any introduction to most people.
Vaush explaining who Finn is would make as much sense now as if Eminem paused midway through the Real Slim Shady to explain who Carson Daly and Fred Durst were.
Definitely not just a gen z thing, it’s terrible but people have been doing this for ages
ngl, shapiro sounding kinda sus, almost like he's been doing voice exercises for years
Lmao
Vowsh reads the future yet again
love your pfp, vaush looks so handsome there ❤
Vaush: „They are transing our e-celebrities!“
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Also all the best to finnster who will definitely read this comment section, happy it‘s going well!
Nothing but love and support for Fin.
And for Extremedad the person life that Vaush ruined. And Poppy of course.
Love the message: "stop caring as much about other people's sexuality and gender". I kinda think its absurd how much we're focusing on all of this.
There's a good reason that Disco Elysium allows you to have your character think about homosexuality for over 12 hours only to be told by a gay guy to "stop obsessing over other people's sexuality".
I think the general blanket problem with transgenderism discourse is a problem with conformity. For all our talk in north america about freedom of choice and expression we generally have a serious problem with criticism. We have a serious issue with blanket statements, and labels wether you are trans or not we are uncomfortable with people who are not the same as us. We cant just say that person did a bad thing, we say that person did a bad thing because they are trans and all trans people are like that. We do the same thing with race and political identification and trolls on the internet stoking controversy and hatred for money and lulz are sometimes the worst most malicious bullies that the world has ever dealt with because nobody can really stop them or hold them to account.
For good or ill there are two things the internet is rabidly obsessed with , shipping and sniffing out the gays.
Eggs should never be referring to people in the present, only in a referential "look how dumb I was back then" way.
The whole h3 debacle brought me to this channel. (H3 fan, still a huge fan)
It's strange that I ended up liking Vaush. Avid viewer now
This is literally the least surprising piece of news ever
Really happy for Finn, glad he's able to explore his gender; just hate how he normalizes "egg culture" one of the most counterproductive ideologies that cements heteronormative beliefs and forces people into gender binaries based on how they act or present themselves. Not all feminine men are eggs, not all masculine women are eggs, and it upsets me to see places like r/egg_irl disagree with these fundamental truths.
I am trans and I think egg discourse is very stupid, but I found egg jokes pretty funny when I was starting to figure stuff out related to myself. I think an important aspect of the egg analogy that isn't really talked about is when an egg hatches it has to hatch itself it cannot be broken from the outside before it's ready or there are many problems.
Get ready for Finnster to be even hotter.
I am not trans but it seems that sometimes egg discourse can be very based in surface type gender stereotypes.
But sometimes it seems to be based on more subtle things to do with the experience of being trans.
Like some of it is trans people being like 'this person stands/talks/stares dejectedly into the the camera in photos the way I did before I came out/started to transition' (medically and/or socially).
Those things obviously don't mean someone is definitely trans. It is almost like 'just a vibe' but it often seems really compelling to me.
And I think it's because, being bisexual also, as much as I also didn't like constant jokes about it leading up to coming out, I do have a close friend who I knew in high school and we sort of knew about each other being queer without discussing it.
And a lot of queer people to some degree have that experience of being able to recognise other queer people, in a way that isn't just based on stereotypes. Obviously not with perfect accuracy.
But it is more like, the aggregate of a bunch of subtle things.
I am not disagreeing about the ways in which the discourse can be annoying of create a lot of negative pressure.
the west has truly fallen, and im here for it
I mean, whatever.
He can enjoy his life however he wants as long as he doesn’t harm.
☕️
We were all waiting on him. Glad he’s finally found his way out the closet!
It's cool that people who may be trans will have this example of the coming out process to look to.
Shouldn't we abandon the whole idea that gender identity and sexuality are simple? It's basically the same conversation everywhere you look; one side is arguing these things are complex, and one side is religiously trying to defend some old ideas of things for conservative reasons, insisting basically what ancient people thought about something is true. Shouldn't such arguments be as laughable as flat earth by now?
Anyone educated on the topic already basically sees transphobes as comparable to flat earthers. Though I don't see where the left is abandoning calling these issues simple.
We still need simple enough explanations of complex phenomena to effectively communicate our perspectives to folks less educated on the matter, but that doesn't detract from the complexity of the issue.
@@joeyhernandez5375 What really gets me is why would I even need to simplify this, what my neighbor or someone from work identify as or what they do in the bedroom (or whatever room they choose) just doesn't really affect me in the least. Why aren't people capable of just saying "you do you, not my business" and focus on what actually is of real consequence to them?
Even if something bothered me, I will have to make a conscious choice on whether I'm crossing lines outing that, is it actually their fault or just my small-mindedness. I would feel there's something wrong with me if I got up to similar kinds of transgressions that seem to be completely justified and normal to many.
I'm bald and every person I see who might be thinning I can't help but imagine the transformation and think "just shave it bro". That's my egg moment.
I’ve considered it several times, but then I’ll see someone making fun of bald guys and decide receding hairline, fighting it with finesteride, and saving for a hair transplant is better.
its sort of odd to me, how much finnster is a role model to me. im a trans guy, i fully transitioned a year ago or so, everything but surgery. ive since taken a step back. i liked looking pretty and feminine, that was never a discomfort to me. i just didnt want to be a woman, nor was i really a man. hes made me fully understand that i can look like i did pretransition, with skirts and long hair and smooth skin and everything i loved, but i can still go by he/him, i can distance myself from womanhood. and its fine. those who love me will accept me regardless, and those who wont accept me as i am now wouldnt even if i was a binary trans guy
Same situation here.
what is that called? I'm trying to figure myself out and I dont feel like I fit anywhere really
@@Infodumptruck just femboy really, nothing fancy. although im realizing im genderfluid and sometimes i wanna be masc in every way, where others i like being fem with masc pronouns and titles. not like there needs to be a name for everything though, im me and im happy with who i am
@@tobywood9156I have OCD, I need labels lol thx
the way Finn talks about his gender reminds me a lot about that one time Vaush described a hypothetical future with an instant perfect gender switch button. People just wouldn't really care, a slight preference toward the other gender could cause someone to "transition" by pressing the button and the question of "what you were before" would lose all relevance. idk it seems like a step in that direction
It's not just conservatives, some progressives too are weirdly invested in other people's gender stuff.
As if. It's a phase and social media stuff.
AstralSpiff on the Vaush sidebar!
Vaush has talked about watching Markiplier before so it makes sense that he's into horror game stuff.
The biggest hole in egg discourse is that it assumes the depth to which you are comfortable displaying your feelings is the same as the depth to which you are comfortable confronting and rationalizing your feelings. Some people just wanna think about what's going on with them for a while before making some statement to the world about it.
Oh boy i sure do hope that nobody like SunnyV2 makes a video on this similarly to the whole Chris Mr beast thing
Lol, goodness, to be that long as an adolescent kitten, Ruben is going to be a BIG cat 😂
Easy fix to the sexuality bit: make sexuality based on the presentation you're attracted to, not the identity of your current partner.
You can't observe an identity. How can you be attracted to something you can't observe?
Could just be my biases as a bisexual agender person talking.
I pride myself on being in the first 10k views of most Vaush videos :)
im sorry, but you shouldn't be
That kind of stereotyping, reinforcing gender roles behavior from trans people actually prevented me from cracking my egg. I was less open to exploring my gender out of feeling pressured into gender conformity and falling into a trend, because it felt like those right wing talking points were correct- people were pressuring me to be like them and were hypocritically reinforcing stereotypical gender roles. However, yes I am gender fluid trans and am happy now
I'm happy for him but stuff like this always feels bittersweet to me. I am unable to transition and I am unable to have a full life and those two would be strongly interconnected in my case.
The most suprising thing is that Vaush didn't talk about how correct he was in his assumption. Barely mentioned it. But I'm happy for Finn!
And glad for Vaush.
Just popping in to say orange cats never fail to be weird little guys 😂. What a cutie patootie!
Just being conscious of how gender is a social construct is important, imperative at this point. Cis people should be just as aware of this as trans people, and not just because they might become trans too. I dont need you to be trans, but i need you to pay attention to the conversation. Even if you come out the other side and are still comfortably cis, i think youll only have gained something from the process. Youll feel empowered to understand more about the society and people around you. And hopefully about yourself and what you want to make of your own gender. Thats a net positive, and youre still allowed to be cis if thats just how you are, thats literally the whole point - Consent to your gender, its your decision to make, its not up to anyone else.
There's definitely a growing obsession with labels, and treating those labels as prescriptive. When lables really are descriptive, and that can't be forgotten.
I thought this was neat, I didn't care about the egg discourse. It's funny, I do, however, think we need to let people figure it out, I'm fine with mild prodding but the egg jokes are a bit much
I've talked to my friend about this kind of thing a bunch, and we've both got what I'm pretty sure is a fairly autistic view of our gender, where we are what we are purely because of momentum, and don't really give a shit about it.
I'm pretty sure F1NN's on a similar wavelength there, because the way he's talked about it is very familiar, especially the HRT discussion, and the femboy streaming thing was just enough to shift the momentum to feminine presentation.
i've recently discovered i'm gender fluid. didn't need to "come out" to my family, since they've always supported me (even with dad's indifference because he was always like that), but i am struggling with it as yet another tarjet on me along with asexuality and ADHD/ASD diagnosis in a country who's declared war on the human race because they're scared in a Pavlovian sense.
still okay with she/her, though. my gender expressions tend to come out mostly in video games while i'm mostly neutral irl.
I think the thing about the egg happens to everybody. I'm ace, when friends and people talk about some things that are a bit relatable to my experience as ace, I would just think they could be also ace.
Yeah, you do become a lot more aware of experiences in others that match your own.
For example, I'm autistic. Now that I got my diagnosis, I can spot certain autistic traits in others from a mile away. However, I would at most make an off-handed comment saying that I can relate to some of their behaviour and that it may be a sign for autism. I would never tell someone "you are autistic, you just don't know it yet" or something along those lines because it would be weirdly pushy and ignorant of the agency of the person in front of me.
People are what they tell me they are. It's that simple.
There was a really good video I watched recently about how "queerbating, a lot of times, is just, "straight" people coming to terms with their own queerness?? And thats pretty cool and fun, and that sort of gender expression, and fluidity is actually a really healthy thing that shouldn't be exclusive. f1nn helped me realize I'm trans, in that, before she came out, last year, she described how he was cisgender, and dressing a certain way didn't mean you were trans, and for me, I thought, if I looked like her, I would want to be perceived as a woman. and that shattered me. so I'm happy he's come around too. Haha and she has just been such a wonderful, and wholesome parasocial part of a lot of people's life, that a lot of us have needed to feel okay about ourselves.
this is great. It's almost strange to see someone come out in this day and age without being totally swarmed over it - and that shouldn't be the case. Just be happy for people!
And in the end, the only reason binary gender is a thing is because we continue to buy into it. Lets stop forcing it on ourselves and on other people and just let people be themselves.
I only know who finnster is because he once appeared in a Philosophy tube video.
Since then, I think twice I’ve been fed a short’s about them. I’m very happy that that they seem like a happy person who has lots of good people in the comments, but beyond a quick google, I know nothing deeply about them.
:| Oh god, I relate... I'm so happy he is starting to be able to find himself, I know I was happy figuring out "Oh I can be a woman? That's not a just me thing?" Very based journey, sending my queer love to my fellow pronoun user!
I had a friend in high school that we were all fairly certain was gay, but he didn't come out until much later. He later told us he stayed in the closet longer because he felt too socially pressured to come out and like he was dumb for not seeing what others had seen in him early on. I still feel kind of bad for unknowingly making it hard for him to come out. I know better now, but I do still feel that "oooh I know something others don't know!" feeling whenever my gaydar goes off and I have to consciously remind myself to not possibly out a person that isn't ready yet. If they're queer and want to tell me and others, they will.
This is the most shocking event since the Pope came out as religious.
Finn's video is just so good. Internet-poisoned reactionaries need to see that the "traps" that they adore have lives outside of a momentary gimmick. Real people who are outside the gender binary think about their identity and their place in the world, and that's not some political charade.
And at the same time, he leaves nothing to ridicule. The video is so fun, so effortless, so "yeah everything's cool man, just on some HRT".
Of course I'm happy for Finn too, but also in awe at the queer PR masterstroke.
So, there's a saying. If you are questioning whether or not you're trans, it's a pretty good sign you are. I personally have those same thoughts now and again, but it's reassuring to know that I'm not faking it. Congrats to Finnster.
Same here. Realizing the "what, doesn't everybody think about and fantasize about these things?" was not, in fact, an "everyone" thing was a moment lol
I'm firmly in the camp of "way too broad and masc presenting to ever pull off the feme image I have of myself (?)" or however it ought to be phrased, but yeah. Realizing those thoughts were okay was a helpful realization though.😅
Maybe for a lot, but maybe there are a lot of people just exploring a bit that end up finding out they're not. It'd be nice if people were open to that exploration more in general, perhaps.
Even within the cis realms, there's a lot of pressure to be hyper masculine or feminine, which people dont fit, and people might simply be exploring that.
But you're probably right. What do I know, im just a dude.
Surely it’s pretty common in certain situations like during puberty