I never found using the set back temp program worth while. True or not one may save on heating costs but the overall comfort is what I want to maintain. So in the heating months I set it at 70F and leave it there. When I used the set back for periods I was not at home or at night, when calling for heat to the new setting, the furnace would run in high heat mode for long periods of time and would just roar moving all this air. With a setting that is left alone 24/7 365 I seldom hear the furnace run (of course it does run but in low heat mode and very slow plenum speed) I also set up my home to take full advantage of solar gain by removing the screens from south facing windows. On a sunny day the furnace will not come on past 9 A.M. and stay off until about 4 P.M. BTW, I have R40 above the ceiling and an insulated full basement (the floors as well)
im a service tech and totally agree, set it and forget it. I installed a new stat in my home 2 years ago, set the temp, (heat and cool), haven't changed it since. ceiling fans run 24/7.
after getting high energy bill What I do is leave it at 67 in winter and 78 in summer, he is correct your body has a thermostat built in it called a hypothalamus I think and it regulates body heat! So what I do is add a small electric heater and keep beside me in winter, those things are cheap and wonderful, they Radiant heat and you will be super warm! and in summer just add a fan to cool you off and drink cold water
Ok but if I set thermo to 80 for the day during a hot NYC summer it runs every 15 minutes to maintain that 80. Isn't it more efficient to drop it to 72 and have longer intervals between on/ off????
The staff at the local pub I kinda look after things for were doing this constantly, jacking it up or down then wondering why it was never comfy... A lock box and WIFI thermostat that the owner can see and adjust (.5-1 degree at most) fixed that problem quick.
Holly Cheat! That's a long time to raise the temp 5 degrees! Seems strange - how well insellated is your house and what kind of heating system is it? Maybe try doing that again with a regular thermometer included set next to that thermostat.
I agree with you sir I always tell my customers there is free heating In upheld home so use it and save for example SOCKS , Ceiling fan on low , Area Rugs, Your Dog 🐶 also body heat is free exerciseing for minutes will heat you up before you your furnace kicks on, SET the thermostat and FORGET IT
Do you have an opinion on the Nest smart thermostats? I'm not familiar myself but Georgia Power is giving them for free as a promotion. Thanks, Christopher
+Christopher Merritt Free is good. I don't especially like them as they are more designed as computers than thermostats and drive some techs nuts. But they do work. GFM
What I like to do is if I'm cold, I turn the thermostat up, and then I put myself directly next to the floor vent, and put a blanket over me. The degree change that I use depends on how long I want the burn to last. I usually do that when I eat cookies and milk for breakfast, I'm cold in the morning anyway and the milk cools me down more. Although I usually run my woodstove, the thermostats on either end of the house just let me know where I'm sitting on temp. Then I just lay on the hearth by the stove, that'll warm you up quick. :) It's a 94k btu 2 cu. ft. US Stove 2469E cast iron stove. Cheap and rickety, but it cranks out the heat. I'll get a Blaze King "King" model at some point, the chimney is 8 inch double wall stainless steel, ready to go.
With a/c and even heat you have to take into account humidity. This is the main reason I think people mess with the thermostat. If the space has oversized equipment or too wide swing on the thermostat these are the main reasons in my opinion people keep messing with them. The problem is they just won't go down/up one degree, they will move it several. I used to have coworkers do this. They didn't understand if you're cold or hot just move it one degree, no reason to go way up or way down. The ones I wanted to punch were the people that would turn the heat on when it was 65 outside and then they would crank it up to 80. Of course someone would just come and turn the a/c on and move it to 65. I actually went into the installer settings and wouldn't let the heat go over 73 or the cool below 70.
Humidity could be part of it. If you ever find out how to satisfy everyone, you will be a millionaire. We have tried everything. Locking the thermostat, putting up fake thermostats (that one sometimes works), remote sensors, assorted fans and under desk heaters. GFM
You know what drives me absolutely insane,, thermostats that control VAV boxes in commercial buildings, people either turn them up way too high and they end up choking themselves out of air or they turn them extremely low and complain they are cold because the central air handler kicks out 55 deg F air all the time, spring summer fall and winter.
Great advice, too bad it doesn't really work with my Pioneer inverter mini split heat pump. It is supposed to adjust the compressor and fan speed to match the load so it runs constantly to maintain its set point rather than cycling, great idea! Too bad its not very good at it. If I set it to 70 degrees in the middle of the summer, the temp in my living room will go up to about 75 degrees or more because it won't ramp up enough automatically. I know the unit has enough capacity because if I turn it down as low as it will go to 62 degrees it will speed up the compressor and fan and cool to 70 degrees or less even on the hottest days, it just won't maintain the temp automatically. The other problem is that if I leave it set on 70 overnight it will over cool down to about 63 degrees. So unfortunately I need to adjust the temp several times a day to maintain about 70 degrees. I wish I spent a bit more and got a Mitsubishi unit
I am leaving Canada for six months winter season and my condo will be empty. How do I set the thermostat to a constant low temperature (e.g. 60 degrees F) 24 hours a day.
It all depends on the thermostat. As a general rule the thermostat will have a "hold" position. If set to hold, the temps programmed will stay with no setback. GFM
It actually will heat your house up faster if you have a heat pump system with emergency heat because the heating coils will turn on once your setpoint is 3+ degrees above your room temp. Cooling won't be any different.
Ok we’ll take today for example high was almost 65 my condo got up to 77 and that is too hot for me but tonight supposed to be low of 38- My thermostat cannot control both the heat and the air condition at the same time there are three different surroundings heat cool and off so I obviously in the winter you would have it on heat in the summer and cool but when you’re in the fall and spring it’s like u have to constantly switch from heat to cool or vice versa or change temps - is there any kind of device that is automatic both heat n cool- Because I had it on heat today but then it got so warm and there was no way to cool it off
A pid anticipates the temp rise (or fall) by using programming to turn the system on and off to "creep up" to the set temp. It is also called a ramp controller. GFM
The best is when I'm on a no heat or no AC service call. 100% of the time if I'm on a no heat call when I go to the stat its set as high as it goes, 85-90 degrees. And vice versa on a no AC call, 50-55 degrees. I gave up trying to explain it to them. Because I've gona back to the same customer after explaining this to them and the stat is jacked all the way up.
Mine is set at 74. I have an older person in the house that needs it that high. The thermostat is there to keep you comfortable regardless of the temp. GFM
@@grayfurnaceman thank you for the reply I am a new subscriber. I got me a new honeywell non programmable thermostat I am going to install when I get home. I usually leave mine on 71.
Geez you must be watching me! I turned down the heat last nite and now the heat won't come on. It did start blowing air no heat...I usually hear it ignite. The replace Batt is showing would that keep the igniter from starting?. I think I need to call for service tomorrow
Joshua Burdette tks for helping. My good neighbor Hvac owner had has guys out next morning. I think something to do with condenser. Cleaned it out thank goodness because temp down to teens. Going to do thorough clean in spring.
I dont know what you want to prove ..the thermostat do his job programing the temperature but the boiler or furnace is the one who will change the temperature . of course if you have an old boiler and bad system at home it will take a while . if you have a good up dated it furnace or boiler it will bring the decire temperature much , much faster....
Well then I disagree with you 100%, simply due to the fact that thermostats like the one you showed have their limitations, which is the cycle rate. I prefer to run my thermostat/furnace once an hour. Which it will ONLY DO, when I preset the temperature high with a cool down. I save about 10% in heating in average, which is hard to determine to be honest, but I am looking across 3 years now with a fully programmable RS3110. That touchscreen one you showed only ever works when you change the factory setting THAT IS NOT IN THE MANUAL access code 680 MUST be at 1, factory setting is 2, this is the ONLY setting to allow for a low cycle rate. Which is bullshit. I am a firm believer that the user MUST have full control and should be able to set a temperature differential.
HVAC designers spent many years to design a system that had no differential, and you throw it away. lol. Remember, heating systems are made for comfort. I do, however, agree that 6 cph is too often with newer, highly insulated homes. To each his own. GFM
Agreed!! Usually incorrect installer setup, sometimes blown fuses or transformer & sloppy wiring. Do you ever get those calls where you show up and the equipment is in pieces? 🤦♂️
![Lp. Последняя Реальность #97 ЧЁРНАЯ МАТЕРИЯ [Анти Скинт] • Майнкрафт](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/k4MjXCzKsYw/mqdefault.jpg)
I won't live long enough to ever hear his advice.
I never found using the set back temp program worth while. True or not one may save on heating costs but the overall comfort is what I want to maintain. So in the heating months I set it at 70F and leave it there.
When I used the set back for periods I was not at home or at night, when calling for heat to the new setting, the furnace would run in high heat mode for long periods of time and would just roar moving all this air. With a setting that is left alone 24/7 365 I seldom hear the furnace run (of course it does run but in low heat mode and very slow plenum speed)
I also set up my home to take full advantage of solar gain by removing the screens from south facing windows. On a sunny day the furnace will not come on past 9 A.M. and stay off until about 4 P.M. BTW, I have R40 above the ceiling and an insulated full basement (the floors as well)
im a service tech and totally agree, set it and forget it. I installed a new stat in my home 2 years ago, set the temp, (heat and cool), haven't changed it since. ceiling fans run 24/7.
This is especially true for heat pumps which are need to run almost constantly at a fixed thermostat setting.
after getting high energy bill What I do is leave it at 67 in winter and 78 in summer, he is correct your body has a thermostat built in it called a hypothalamus I think and it regulates body heat!
So what I do is add a small electric heater and keep beside me in winter, those things are cheap and wonderful, they Radiant heat and you will be super warm!
and in summer just add a fan to cool you off and drink cold water
Ok but if I set thermo to 80 for the day during a hot NYC summer it runs every 15 minutes to maintain that 80. Isn't it more efficient to drop it to 72 and have longer intervals between on/ off????
YOU ARE GREAT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR TALK ABOUT
The staff at the local pub I kinda look after things for were doing this constantly, jacking it up or down then wondering why it was never comfy... A lock box and WIFI thermostat that the owner can see and adjust (.5-1 degree at most) fixed that problem quick.
Holly Cheat! That's a long time to raise the temp 5 degrees! Seems strange - how well insellated is your house and what kind of heating system is it? Maybe try doing that again with a regular thermometer included set next to that thermostat.
Spot on!
how do you stop the secondary furnace from running and not shutting off
I agree with you sir
I always tell my customers there is
free heating In upheld home so use it and save
for example SOCKS ,
Ceiling fan on low ,
Area Rugs,
Your Dog 🐶
also body heat is free
exerciseing for minutes will heat you up before you your furnace kicks on,
SET the thermostat
and FORGET IT
Work in nursing home, hear it ALL the time from staff. The funny one is “turn it down and it blow colder air”....🤨
I like to sleep in a cooler room, but I'm not into getting out of the shower when it's 65-68.
Do you have an opinion on the Nest smart thermostats? I'm not familiar myself but Georgia Power is giving them for free as a promotion.
Thanks,
Christopher
+Christopher Merritt Free is good. I don't especially like them as they are more designed as computers than thermostats and drive some techs nuts. But they do work.
GFM
The information provided in the video is very useful, but the speaker is less effective.
I totally agree
What I like to do is if I'm cold, I turn the thermostat up, and then I put myself directly next to the floor vent, and put a blanket over me. The degree change that I use depends on how long I want the burn to last. I usually do that when I eat cookies and milk for breakfast, I'm cold in the morning anyway and the milk cools me down more. Although I usually run my woodstove, the thermostats on either end of the house just let me know where I'm sitting on temp. Then I just lay on the hearth by the stove, that'll warm you up quick. :) It's a 94k btu 2 cu. ft. US Stove 2469E cast iron stove. Cheap and rickety, but it cranks out the heat. I'll get a Blaze King "King" model at some point, the chimney is 8 inch double wall stainless steel, ready to go.
Sherman T. Potter iki
I enjoy changing the temp severval times thru the day.
Smooth Operator doesn't that increase your electric bill
Smooth Operator
.
With a/c and even heat you have to take into account humidity. This is the main reason I think people mess with the thermostat. If the space has oversized equipment or too wide swing on the thermostat these are the main reasons in my opinion people keep messing with them. The problem is they just won't go down/up one degree, they will move it several.
I used to have coworkers do this. They didn't understand if you're cold or hot just move it one degree, no reason to go way up or way down. The ones I wanted to punch were the people that would turn the heat on when it was 65 outside and then they would crank it up to 80. Of course someone would just come and turn the a/c on and move it to 65. I actually went into the installer settings and wouldn't let the heat go over 73 or the cool below 70.
Humidity could be part of it. If you ever find out how to satisfy everyone, you will be a millionaire. We have tried everything. Locking the thermostat, putting up fake thermostats (that one sometimes works), remote sensors, assorted fans and under desk heaters.
GFM
You know what drives me absolutely insane,, thermostats that control VAV boxes in commercial buildings, people either turn them up way too high and they end up choking themselves out of air or they turn them extremely low and complain they are cold because the central air handler kicks out 55 deg F air all the time, spring summer fall and winter.
+mechanicwarrior20 Sounds like time for some non adjustable stats with one that is not connected to anything for them to play with.
GFM
Great advice, too bad it doesn't really work with my Pioneer inverter mini split heat pump. It is supposed to adjust the compressor and fan speed to match the load so it runs constantly to maintain its set point rather than cycling, great idea! Too bad its not very good at it. If I set it to 70 degrees in the middle of the summer, the temp in my living room will go up to about 75 degrees or more because it won't ramp up enough automatically. I know the unit has enough capacity because if I turn it down as low as it will go to 62 degrees it will speed up the compressor and fan and cool to 70 degrees or less even on the hottest days, it just won't maintain the temp automatically. The other problem is that if I leave it set on 70 overnight it will over cool down to about 63 degrees. So unfortunately I need to adjust the temp several times a day to maintain about 70 degrees. I wish I spent a bit more and got a Mitsubishi unit
Have you been able to explain and convince this to the boss of the house after say 35 years? I have not!
Fortunately, my boss does not seem to care.
GFM
My heat pump cut on at exactly the same time hahaha. You're like some sort of AC wizard.
It's -20 in MN where I live, in an old house that's been remodeled, and I have mine set at 69 and it won't get past 66 in here.
ShredAddict 80 you need a woodstove.
Why is there a switch relay at the boiler that drops the voltage to 24 volt to the t-stat?
I am leaving Canada for six months winter season and my condo will be empty. How do I set the thermostat to a constant low temperature (e.g. 60 degrees F) 24 hours a day.
It all depends on the thermostat. As a general rule the thermostat will have a "hold" position. If set to hold, the temps programmed will stay with no setback.
GFM
It actually will heat your house up faster if you have a heat pump system with emergency heat because the heating coils will turn on once your setpoint is 3+ degrees above your room temp. Cooling won't be any different.
Ok we’ll take today for example high was almost 65 my condo got up to 77 and that is too hot for me but tonight supposed to be low of 38- My thermostat cannot control both the heat and the air condition at the same time there are three different surroundings heat cool and off so I obviously in the winter you would have it on heat in the summer and cool but when you’re in the fall and spring it’s like u have to constantly switch from heat to cool or vice versa or change temps - is there any kind of device that is automatic both heat n cool- Because I had it on heat today but then it got so warm and there was no way to cool it off
You need an automatic changeover thermostat. If you are handy, you can buy one at a home center and install it yourself.
GFM
Joey Bello You could open the windows so the condo cools down!
what does a p.i.d. mean for thermostats i am inquiring
A pid anticipates the temp rise (or fall) by using programming to turn the system on and off to "creep up" to the set temp. It is also called a ramp controller.
GFM
The best is when I'm on a no heat or no AC service call. 100% of the time if I'm on a no heat call when I go to the stat its set as high as it goes, 85-90 degrees. And vice versa on a no AC call, 50-55 degrees. I gave up trying to explain it to them. Because I've gona back to the same customer after explaining this to them and the stat is jacked all the way up.
Matt Starr tech showed up to our place. No heat, he spent the whole time on his phone asking Siri or the android about the system.
And these days, thanks to wi-fi technology, the customer that likes to play with his thermostat can do so even when he's away.
Hello what do you keep your thermostat set at if i may ask?
Mine is set at 74. I have an older person in the house that needs it that high. The thermostat is there to keep you comfortable regardless of the temp.
GFM
@@grayfurnaceman thank you for the reply I am a new subscriber. I got me a new honeywell non programmable thermostat I am going to install when I get home. I usually leave mine on 71.
Geez you must be watching me! I turned down the heat last nite and now the heat won't come on. It did start blowing air no heat...I usually hear it ignite. The replace Batt is showing would that keep the igniter from starting?. I think I need to call for service tomorrow
Joshua Burdette tks for helping. My good neighbor Hvac owner had has guys out next morning. I think something to do with condenser. Cleaned it out thank goodness because temp down to teens. Going to do thorough clean in spring.
I dont know what you want to prove ..the thermostat do his job programing the temperature but the boiler or furnace is the one who will change the temperature . of course if you have an old boiler and bad system at home it will take a while . if you have a good up dated it furnace or boiler it will bring the decire temperature much , much faster....
you obviously don't live in a cold climate :)
Sure do. Leave it alone and it will perform beautifully.
GFM
Well then I disagree with you 100%, simply due to the fact that thermostats like the one you showed have their limitations, which is the cycle rate. I prefer to run my thermostat/furnace once an hour. Which it will ONLY DO, when I preset the temperature high with a cool down. I save about 10% in heating in average, which is hard to determine to be honest, but I am looking across 3 years now with a fully programmable RS3110. That touchscreen one you showed only ever works when you change the factory setting THAT IS NOT IN THE MANUAL access code 680 MUST be at 1, factory setting is 2, this is the ONLY setting to allow for a low cycle rate. Which is bullshit. I am a firm believer that the user MUST have full control and should be able to set a temperature differential.
HVAC designers spent many years to design a system that had no differential, and you throw it away. lol. Remember, heating systems are made for comfort. I do, however, agree that 6 cph is too often with newer, highly insulated homes. To each his own.
GFM
ObsessionPhoneywell
And homeowners...please stop installing your own cheap home depot thermostats- you are just asking for problems.
Agreed!! Usually incorrect installer setup, sometimes blown fuses or transformer & sloppy wiring. Do you ever get those calls where you show up and the equipment is in pieces? 🤦♂️
The Media Is Cancer Damn us home owners don't get no respect lol
dpeagles You mean the same Honeywell thermostats we buy at Home Depot that cost $40 and you “professionals” charge us $199 for?
do not buy this junk honeywell pro series