Imo: Edinburgh > guanajuato FH4 rally > FH5 rally Fh4 backroads > fh5 backroads (they made the roads too strait and too op for powerbuilds) Fh4 pi system < Fh5 pi system Broadway > Mulege Bamburgh > playa adults Derwentwater > fh5 desert
the first 3 imo we're the most substantial with each iteration bringing new content. the leap from FH1 to FH2 was insane, FH2 to FH3 was equally insane as the map and car roster had so much more variety and additions like body kits were brand new to the series. The DLC for FH3 imo still hasnt been de-throwned as the DLC alone is the reason I find myself booting that game up again from time to time. Obviously I have nostalgia for the the older Forza titles like FM4 as well but objectively speaking there were far more additions in the first 3 then there were in the last 2. I wouldn't mind Playground games letting their next installment bake a little longer in the oven as I really don't want to see FH6 end up like Halo lmao.
Personally I believe that the main thing in 4 that was better was the map. Because in 5 even though it has more diversity, the 4 map fealt more complete, with the main example being that 4 has WAY better dirt roads
I also think that the Highway in 5 ruined the opportunity for a great map, because it ruins the chances for diverse routes when freedom racing with friends
I also liked the architecture in FH4 a LOT better. None of the houses in FH5 look quite right to me. I do like the highway and jumps you can do, I like being able to go fast, the highway in FH4 was really small. So that is one think I do like about the FH5 map
Fh4 felt like an improvement coming from fh3. We had one x enchantment, a new season system, more cars etc. horizon 5 just took all that and put a new map in its place
I know I’m late to the party. Here are my observations, when playing FH4, when you’re driving cars fast on the asphalt, the sense of speed there is better than FH5 And FH4 is much much more lively despite it entering its 6th year for 2024
Forza Horizon 4 Was my first Forza game and it is so nostalgic whenever I hear the opening music and some of the Block Party songs 😢❤❤ it was so good for me I had no idea fh3 was even better as for me this was the best racing game I’d played
my first was fh1 so way earlier than when you came into the community but that nostalgic feeling is exactly what i feel when i see the opening scene in fh1
Forza horizon 4 was more fun than 5 to me. i dont know to to put it into words, but forza horizon 5 feels very generic. FH4 had better music, its map was significantly better than FH5. and the DLCs were fun too.
i definitely agree that they are in realistic terms no better than each other, but for now i’m giving them the benefit of the doubt with some aspects because they are still working with the old engine. however, as soon as they get the new engine they better make some big changes
@@prodbybigl The whole game is just a product of recycling. Especially the dlc. It seems like all their efforts are going into those shitty livestreams. No bug fixes, no rebalancing and no new ideas whatsoever
@@prodbybigl The phisics have felt floaty and imprecise since 4. Recently played the first 3 again, and my god the cars just feel so much better, and roads have imperfections. Its so much more engaging and immersive. And what happened to the night time lighting? in the first 3, it got super dark, in first person all you could see were where the headlights were and the dials. Now it just feels like a filter
The lack of gas stations restaurants grocery stores car washes airplanes in the skies etc on the map makes it feel empty on such a big map these things don't need to be usable but present to make it feel more alive
Not even that. Just an town would do. Its such a big map, and you've got one city, one proper town and that town in the bottom left this literally a couple of buildings on the corner. OH, and that town in the forest that's actually decent, but you can never find because there's literally nothing there. The houses are crap as well. The starting house was pretty cool, but the others are non descript and all have the same building style and era. In FH5 we have 3 pretty standard villas, a shack and ahotel. and they are all either put next to the city or festival or the ring road. Imagine how cool having a shack deep in the rainforest by a massive river or lake that you have to get to by using little tracks, like the huntsmans cottage in FH4
@@dylanburston7453 right and fh4 had the best cities and neighborhoods and parking lots to drift in etc and fh3 had gas stations atleast one I remember it would be nice to have all of that back plus the things we all want like why can't we change roll cage color and wheels separate colors simple things they find so hard to implement that would make a world of difference
@@jblane100 Custom exhausts and the a overhaul of map design physics and a much darker night time and itd be almost perfect. Oh and services on the highways would be great. The problem with the newer games is you jsut have too much freedom, they dont feel carefully crafted anymore.
The one problem I have with a Forza fives weather, specifically talking about the sandstorms. When you go up to a sandstorm or close to it it looks really far away, but then when you go a little bit more forward, you are already in it, even though it looked like it was at least 100 feet away. Edit: I do understand that this is a very new thing for playground games, but when I saw that sand storms are going to be a Weather aspect of the game. I thought you would be able to drive right up to them and then go a little bit more forward and you’ll be in the storm not 100/ 50 feet away and then you’re in it when you drive forward.
I have said this previously but i say it again. The map has a lot of potential but developers has not taken the all out of it. All the main activities in the map has been focused in couple of areas. The rest of the map has just been left behind. There is a lot of unique places in the map but because there is nothing to do in those places no one is going to visit there. Shame really.
@@phookit2 canyon is my favourite part of the map. Tops out even the volcano. Takes several minutes to make a round around the canyon even in a supercar. Only thing we got there is like 2 races, jump and a showcase event which wasn't even that good.
I started forza with fh2 and played fh3 which were both really fun, but at fh4 and 5 it seems like they had a goal but didn't put as much soul into them
Much of what I've seen in FH5 seems like it was a "Copy/Paste" situation. Even some of the cars still carry a UK license plate, instead of a Mexico plate.
I’ll tell you one think though I am so done with the festival Playlist every week, that’s it’s starting to feel like a chore… I’ve been bored of it mid horizon 4s life and I was unhappy when they brought it back in 5
In some ways yes, in some ways no. FH5's map feels really lifeless and dull compared to FH4, but the driving roads themselves are a bit more enjoyable. The physics and audio are also improved over FH4, but the car list feels repetitive and unchanged. If you recall, FH4 didn't really hit its stride until new features like the Seasonal Playlist were introduced and breathed new life into the game. I think we might see FH5 go through a similar phase change later on that helps it come into its own a little more. I have low expectations, but still feel like the series is progressing forward... very slowly.
It’s important to point this stuff out and where they truly are lacking in developmental ideas. They just better hope Test Drive doesn’t disrupt their whole market at this point. The repetitiveness is alarming at this point.
I actually wondered if it is just me but apparently the Arcade is dead. Usually, I’m alone with the occasional case that someone who doesn’t actively participate is in the same session and then I have to get his points to (which is fine up to two passive participants but it gets grindy). There should be a system that you have to accept the participation.
@@FeebleDaddy Yes, but in the end, there were more and more passive people just sitting there to grab the points. Maybe a MVP system were the best participant gets bonus points (which in FH5 are totally useless as you are crapped on with them) or other bonus rewards would be a good solution.
The main thing i am missing from the older horizon games is the festival aspect. You could take the festival from horizon 5 and it wouldnt be a huge different game. In horizon 1 and 2 the festival was a massive aspect, now its just there
FH 1 to 3 was golden (specially Goliath of 3 wich was brilliant), Fh4 and 5 i kinda liked but.. i miss beating rivals and a focus on story, now we´re Hyper stars and that´s it, no focus, just grinding, nerfs left and right i avoid MP like plague except on trials where i play with randoms, since any of my friends list dropped FH4 or 5 a month after launch.
That’s so true.. forza horizon 2 and 3 gave me so many good moments with multiplayer and with the AI convoys. All my friends got forza and stopped playing a couple months after release
Personally, I feel more attached to fh4 because not only was that my first horizon, but also since I live in the UK, it's more relatable than FH5 and I get a lot more of the references first-hand etc. Despite this, I feel FH5 is still better in most ways (which matter). This may vary the more I play online races tho 😂
I just starting playing Forza 4 winter of 2020/2021 and it was so incredible. I played 5 on its release day and I felt like something was missing as well. Then I realized that it wasn’t the game, it was me. I’m MUCH more partial to enjoying British culture than Mexican/desert culture. I lived in Arizona for a year and hated it. Once I realized that, 5 became an extension of 4 to me. Because I bounce from 4 to 5 a lot, I appreciate that they are super similar and I don’t have to remember how to play one or the other. I have cars in 4 that I get excited to drive and I have different cars in 5 that I get excited to drive. I honestly hope 6 feels the same as 4 and 5, just different scenery and slightly different cars.
Even now, I can't believe FH5 has released, but after 270 hours of experience, I really have the impression there is something missing, even in my 20th hour I had this impression.... WHAT IS IT !?
yes I think Mexico City would have been better than Guanajuato because there are more modern buildings while in Guanajuato there is not much modern and it is less interesting for roleplay
I agree. The map needs more features and things to do- think of the fh3 construction site, shipwrecks, and wood farm. All these areas were great and provided playability but werent exactly specific or necessary locations for the game to work. They just added them and they became favourites for all fh3 players. We have 0 areas (excluding temples) like that in fh4 (and even then, only one of the temples has any real playability, and they are all VERY similar.)
With the gamepass mentality, that's why FH5 was.... kinda underwhelming.. (From a first timer playing FH5, Festival Playlist was aight, turn to boredom a lot)
Forza 4 best horizon ever Edit: the main reason being the height variation made the map very fun to play games we made up; all playground areas, airfield, Edinburgh, windmill farm, and a few others I can't remember. Most of the time I spent in fh4 was messing around in the open world. The problem with fh5 is there isn't really an area that is as interesting as fh4. Edit2: also the menu in fh4 was way easier to get through
The FH4 menu was a total mess. Very difficult to navigate. Me who owns every main Horizon game there is the one being my favourite is which i return the most often. And that being FH2. The map feels much bigger what it really is 'cause you can't just cross country the whole map. You need to use roads and those very rarely are linear from point A to point B. Also the only game where my progress is over 100%.
@@MlCROPIZZA it may have been a mess but it made sense to me and the fh5 menu is too spread out for easy access to things like changing cars or seeing in game messages or even wheelspins
I’m my opinion both forza games lack soul, the characters feel like robots, the cars aren’t as fun, and the only thing that has gotten better is the graphics
Quality over quantity, FH1 and 2 (at the time) had a mixture of both, i wish they went back to having an actual progression based story instead of the game letting you (the player) be the story teller
I agree with you on the city and towns, the architecture in horizon 5 feels 3rd world level, they should've included more developed towns found in mexico. The only interesting parts about guanajuato were the large buildings, not the boxy houses, as for the towns, they were bland, as well as the lack of pedestrians on the sidewalks
I cannot agree the games are even. Forza Horizon 5 is just a reskinned FH4. The credit has to go more towards FH4 as it did pretty much all of the stuff fh5 does and on a better map (FH5 map is soooo lifeless and bland)
I got fh4 a few days ago and I literally cant stop playing it lol, im loving every seconds of the game. I was hooked from the start when i was racing my first off road race and chose my favorite car of all time, the 037 and also when the race started, i started with Safari Song by Greta Van Fleet. Coming from someone who only played FH1 and skipped 2 and 3, FH4 is a HUGEEE improvement. Ill wait till FH5 gets close to delisting to play it
There's much improvement in the basic structure of the game, from Horizon 3 to 4 to 5. Physics modeling, graphics, animations, and such. Map size and diversity, and the car roster can vary in quantity and quality. What I see suffering is the removal of features that we actually kindof liked, like custom championships, or any real sense of progression, or anything passing for an overarching story or purpose. I think the playlist has largely backfired too; Forzathon in Horizon 3 was a great excuse to go back into the game at least once a week, and seasonal championships in Horizon 4 was a novel idea at first. Bundling them together in the playlist was... fine, I guess. But now it's more like "ugh, I gotta go back and do the playlist." They're littered with duplicate cars I already have, and the one new McGuffin most weeks. And once I'm done with that, and unlocked the McGuffin i don't feel like doing anything else. The game seems to be figuring out how to unlock the McGuffin with as little work as possible, plus the one or two other items that are actually fun.
The phisics have gotten alot worse. been playing 1 and 3 recently, and the cars react so much more convincingly, especially in terms of weight.In fh1, the OG mini felt ridiculously light. Now it feels identical to my 3000lb GTR
We had a perfect racing game that included features we are still asking for to this day. Test Drive Unlimited 2. The 2 detailed maps, atmosphere, progression and some other things made that game very memorable and I hope TDU Solar Crown can capture that and Turn 10 take notes as well.
4:45 FH5 map is not 1.5 times larger than FH4 map. It is 1.5 times the size of FH4 map. So 50% increase in map size and NOT 150%. FH4 map being 71,46 km2 and FH5 map 107,19 km2 which is exactly 1.5 times the size of FH4 map.
It's a difficult one for me because I started playing Forza from Forza Horizon 3, I like Horizon 3 because of how nostalgic it is, I Love Horizon 4 because its set in the UK and its main city is my capital city but I also like Horizon 5 because of its cars, customisation and the map to some degree.
same. Although I don’t live in Edinburgh but ive been a couple times and when i first Played i was captivated being able to go down the streets ive been on in real life in a game
I keep going back to FH4. The atmosphere and use of color in that game is unmatched. Driving around during sunset while it transitions into nighttime always looks incredible, especially in winter. The seasons also gave it a lot more replayability than I intially expected. The only reason why I'm not playing it as much anymore is because it lacked proper customization in terms of aesthetics.
I genuinely haven’t played in ages because its so hard to get the millions and millions required for the new cars i want and when i do get them they handle the same as everything else once modified
On another video I made a very long, but in-depth “Wishlist” for FH5 (and also FH6). It contained many cars not featured on FH5 that were in FH4, such as the Volkswagen I.D. R. In that comment, I had just recently gone back to playing FH4 a few months after FH5 was released, and I realised quite a few interesting things (if you can find the comment, please link it in the replies, but I can’t find it anymore) -Cars such as the Volkswagen ID R have disappeared in FH5 -The game ran WAY smoother, and rarely (if ever) dropped frames, even on a 6+ year old Xbox One S in FH4 -There was more of a city in FH4 -There was a cool spot in a concrete tube near a drag strip where you can do a wheelspeed glitch (it still works as of ~June 2022!) in FH4 -The overall experience felt less busy & more refined, from the higher (CONSISTENT) frames, to the evened-out font sizes, to even the more accurate speedometer needle! (FH4) And finally, I don’t know what it was about that game, but the cars were MUCH easier to drive in FH4 (even after the suspension update a few weeks ago)! *Keep in mind, I HAVE NEVER PLAYED ANY OF THE TITLES BEFORE FH4*
I honestly thought that I was the only one who felt a difference between the two. When I first played fh5, I was like a total noob, I even had to drop my difficulty from my preferred unbeatable setting to highly skilled and below because I kept losing…
Yeah! Why is that? I mean, I know they upped the difficulty for “Unbeatable”, but the cars shouldn’t be that hard to drive! I don’t know. Maybe we’re just not used to the physics in FH5…or it lags more…but I’m not sure.
@@insertname1250 yes, but the unbeatable drivatar is pretty ridicilous too. It’s not better with regards to having better lines or something, it just flat out has op grip and power, nothing more. This really shows in CC races
4 was the best imo, the immersion, the map, the aesthetic, the car balance and models etc all better, especially better than FH5. Summed up as well. No one wanted the new horizon based in fucking Mexico. A country with nearly no racing or car heritage or significant contribution to car culture at all. The best thing FH5 did was the removal of free roam rush
I'm mexican, I'm biased, I love the 4 but the 5 makes me cry, it's sad that there is so much hate, it makes my skin crawl see everything so well represented it's beautiful I play on a logitech g920 so i love it and the graphics and everything, music could be better lol, famous Mexican car is the TSURITO
Forza 4 already was my favourite as soon as I saw a dodge charger R/T as a starter car. Anything with a dodge csr that I can instantly get is my favourite
@@Sol-hd7pz At least it added a whole lot from the previous game.Fh5 took away seasons and half the cars, less interesting houses and worse roads overall for a bit of extra (empty) map
@@iambrd1543 If you think FH4 wasn't diverse just because it isnt a completely different colour, your blind. Fh4 had rolling hills bottom left, a huge forest bottom left, 2 massive lakes, mooreland in the middle and mountains left top and a great coast on the right, and then Edinburgh like a cherry on top. All had unique roads, all were changed drastically by the seasons, and all had great off road. FH5 had 2 coats, a empty desert, 2 arid grassland things and a rainforest. Oh and a mountain with 8 miles of road which has precisely 2 different corners on it for its duration. It had half the towns in it, and all the buildings feel fake
@@dylanburston7453 there were lakes in fh5 too, also canyon and mountain/forest terrain, roads are as varied as they can be (much longer highway, twisty roads in moutnains etc) and there's more verticality in map. and in fh4 the only season that changes something is winter, other seasons are just reskins of each other (much like seasons in fh5)
@@TDB-rm4qt Theres one pathetic lake (which has no water in half the time Woohoo, a bit more desert to drive in) The roads are all the same in FH5. The coas, the rainforest, the one above the volcano, all feel and drive the same. The one up the volcano only has 2 corners, left hairpins and right harpins for 8MILES, and it isnt even a thin road so it isnt engaging. There is one good driving road in FH5, and that's the one that goes on top of the lake.
@@dylanburston7453 and what's different in roads in fh4 then, why they are so "diverse" in comparison? also in volcano there are more than 2 types of corners, if you actually try to look at the map, you can see it. and anyways there aren't any road of this type in fh4 (except just one pathetic small dirt road)
i feel like FH5's biggest problem is the map. I love that they did work on the little things that people have talked about, car sounds, bodykits and other forms of customization, but its hard to enjoy it when you're in the desert. Mexico isnt a Minecraft seed.
The night in fh4 felt like real night but in fh5 looks like it is still day and also in fh4 there was snow in the whole map but in fh5 it only snows in the volcano
Even the night in 4 wasn't great. In first person in 12and 3 at night all you can see are whats in your headlights and the dials, and possibly the festival in the distance. Or 3 had surfers paradise and that awesome night sky. You couldnt see your own wingmirrors 4 and 5 feel like someone's put a thin blanket over the sun
@@TDB-rm4qt Why would i turn up the brightness? Its already too bright. Its not an issue with the brightness settings. I have all FH games on the same brightness settings on the same TV, and they all look the same during the day. FH4 is slightly too bright during the night, FH5 isnt dark enough at all
Fh5 is probably the worst one yet. It did absolutely nothing new for the series besides what, improved engine noise and a different map? Not to mention the story took a massive downgrade. We went from wristbands and cutscenes to building and leveling up the festival sites to essentially nothing. How can you reach the “hall of fame” and complete the story without doing a single big event?
Few reasons I’m preferring the FH4 over 5, first off being the Italian cars, second is that UK just gives a stronger sense of a “heritage” than Mexico, I also prefer the way they do the seasons than FH5. In the end, once the game moves on to the next gen, I could find myself still go back to FH4 once in a while, but maybe not as much as FH5
The biggest problem in fh5 compared to fh4 is the way the ruined soo many car sounds which they got it right on fh4. E60m5, e92 m3, McLaren F1, hoonigannfiesta rally car, Honda's and a lot more. This was always a reason since I got fh5. The excitement died down and now I play it just to get the new cars mostly
Fh5 map is bland and it’s crazy how we have a near identical car list to 4 but damn near all the cars don’t have spacer options… it starts with the little shit
I didn't bought FH5 because it was way expensive and after some time I realised I chose wisely not to buy a game that it's price doesn't represent the things that gamers receive from the game. And one thing that I hate about Forza Horizon generally speaking, is the lack of visual customisation. It's a 2021 game and you just can't exclude customisation variety especially in exhaust, bumpers, fenders, spoilers.
I feel like FH5 is missing some core features from FH4, like main menu is just straight up ripped from FH3 and the night-time is considerably fast. Plus the game lacks some bodykits for some cars.
For me FH4 is better because in FH5, I still have basically no traffic, and most of the races are repetative on the (mostly) same tracks over and over. 4 even looks better with lower graphics settings! Come on, PG!
Its worth to mention the season system. In FH4 its brilliant where in FH5 it does not change much other than adds some snow onto peak on volcano in one season. Maybe map was smaller in FH4, but it was changing drastically each season.
I’ve been perfecting FH4 a lot more recently. I jumped back on that and the atmosphere to Britain is better than Mexico to me. Also for what I do in FH5. I like it better in FH4. I do a lot of cruising around and speed physics in FH5 are very lacking.
Now I’ve played 1000’s of hours on all Horizons, sim racing obsessed. I believe FH5 had sorted the vehicle sounds out etc & I love the car list and updates. But FH1 to FH4 had some soul. FH5 just feels a dead map with a cold feel. But I still love it a lot.
Devs don't care of quality or features. Quality is good enough: "nothing to do here..." I asked the support(reopened 7 months old ticket) when VRAM issue will be fixed. Answer killed me: "We do not have ETA for the VRAM issue". It follows the game from the start. Almost a year. Not only they did not fix it, the don't even know when they will. Answer is - never. I wish I liked fh5 more, but I don't think so. I'm not buying or preordering next Forza games if I do not see massive changes
Yes, yes and all the yes's, its a bag of rubbish, its far too arcadey, complete rubbish and it bugs me that people are still putting out videos on it, we should be completely ignoring it so that they pull their finger out and don't keep trying to cash cow the franchise.
I've gone back to FH4 also, FH5 has better car sound without doubt. The gameplay in 4 is as good as 5. FH5 seasons seem the same, only the reservoir being full or empty is the only change. I view them as equal but with different scenery
I liked more fh4, I liked to just get in the game and run around the scenery, I thought it was beautiful. The fh5 didn't attract me that much, I enter the game only to play the playlist.
I think fh5 is better but if it weren't for the updated car sounds i wouldn't be so sure. The problem is with the map it just feels dead there are no houses outside the towns and the ones there is are old fashioned or rundown. Make a more modern map, with more towns maybe even 2 cities and a bit more modern architecture and then its a solid game
i agree it think the "ratio" is a big thing, honestly i like the size of fh4 map more, since as u said, i feel like the size is just like taking a smaller map, and just streching it out, not adding more things, but just making the distance that you have to drive longer. personally i like fh4 more, but that might be becouse it was my first horizon game, and i really loved it.
i think it could just be some fatigue with the series. inevitably its gonna get harder to keep coming up with original content every few years and obtaining a roster of cars we havent seen before sounds expensive and time consuming. so perhaps smaller map size but every 6 months we get a new map in a different part of the world? that way you can have 6 months in japan with touge, japanese cars and culture. then maybe france or germany? maybe do somewhere like sweden/arctic circle? iceland with those crazy offroaders? this way the game feels entirely fresh every 6 months with new location specific quests and vehicles. one of the best dlc for me was the island in 4. obvs the drift road was ace but also the treasure chests to find and the feel of a different small island community. was the same vibes with blizzard mountain.. did a lot with a small space. with 5 i had been jumping on once a week to get the new cars. now i cant even be bothered to do that as i have enough money to buy anything i dont have. PG needs to win me back with something genuinely interesting for the next dlc, whatever an whenever that may be..
I have rally felt someting is missing in FH5, which has made me almost stop playing; to me it's the lack of change (not new things, just changing things), it really is the same game structure entirely; also I feel like there's just too much of everything: map, cars, features, even customization - there's nothing to be hoping for, or anything frustrating - you just have everything all the time. So with all that, I would say FH4 is better over FH5, as mad as it sounds. Edit: FH4 also has a 'real' map, it makes sense in its construction and never goes to far (after all, UK hasn't got that much diversity, but it makes sense and isn't overwhelming)
i recently also went back to playing fh4 for a bit and man the nostalgia, also yes there is no where near as many bugs and glitches in fh4 then 5 the ui os overall way smoother and that's disappointing to see that they went backwards in that regard but the overall game itself i have to give it to fh5 as it's overall a better game because of the better graphics more realistic physics bigger map more cars and so on.
Horizon 4 was the first Horizon title I played when I was like 9, so long ago. And my small little baby child brain loved it! I recently went back to my last save on fh4 and started roaming around the map and, I gotta say, it’s not terrible. But it is terrible compared to other open world racers like The Crew or NFS or even FH5. Horizon 4 would’ve been a good game 7 years ago, but now it’s terrible compared to its competitors. I think the same can be said for FH5. Forza just isn’t the best racing game anymore. And I don’t think I would be saying this if Need For Speed existed. You see what I mean? It’s good, just not good enough.
Using a wheel, the physics are great especially for drifting. Everything else I feel is a letdown. The game wasn’t even finished when released. Even now some things feel broken. Forza weekly mission broken every month. I don’t care so much about finishing them as I know at some point when one of them won’t work. I’m not building myself up to 100% the festival playlist as most often you can’t. If it unreliable to play and finish missions, then what’s the point. See a car you like. Unlock it and forget the rest.
I am to the point that I don’t really understand the game any more. I mean, how much do people really drive through fields in the game for days and days? It’s sort of gimmicky and got old to me after a short bit. And with that said, in a super/hypercar? Feels out of place. I get the arcadey nature of the game and perhaps taking race shortcuts, but the formula feels a bit old and in FH5 going for a shortcut you just get hung up in the desert. Definitely have mixed feelings towards the series.
Honestly I'd say Whitelight has the best video on the slow decline in Horizon quality, even if he also doesn't mention how they axed the proper Player Clubs in FH3.
Hi, for me fh5 is too much oriented in non-conventionnal cars, that’s nice but too much, I prefer less supercars and prototype, and a bit more ordinary cars…. Why not some family saloon, hatchbacks and everyday racers. I prefer fh4, more realistic map for RP playing. All news models ( more electric) don’t make me dream in real life, that’s the same in fh5. Sorry I’m a petrolhead 😅 Nice work, hello from France 😊
Personally I believe the difference between FH 3 and FH 4 is bigger than FH 4 and FH 5. I played more 4 and 5 than 3 and I got to say I like FH 4 more than the other 2.
for me personally, at least for technical side, FH4 was better... In FH4 I've never encountered any visual issues, races worked as they were supposed to, and cutscenes worked,... in FH5 lots of cutscenes have wrong car animations, I have all the time graphical bugs with missing textures, and it also feels that the drivatars devolved instead of improving... in previous titles these drivatars felt like they were real drivers (mistakes, different lines, etc.) but now? drivatars are just glued to the "ideal" racing line, breaking precisely as the line dictates, and they rubberband like crazy... (for example, in higher difficulties, I will give my hand into the fire that the drivatars are programmed so that you can't get to the first place until 70% of the race has been finished...)
I don’t like how in horizon 5 we can’t change the difficulty in seasonal championships which is annoying because I want to be able to put the drivatars to a higher level but it only lets me put them in highly skilled which makes it to easy
Tbh, I think Horizon 4 was the more lively type of game compared to 5 But I much prefer 5's physics and 5 story is a little better in my opinion. And the customization and menu is better in horizon 5 tho
This is not the most in-depth analysis...perhaps later on I will make one with a proper list comparing the two.
Ok I understand Eric 👍
In my opinion I think it's also lacking colour as apart from the mural art work it's mostly grey so that could be an issue
Imo:
Edinburgh > guanajuato
FH4 rally > FH5 rally
Fh4 backroads > fh5 backroads (they made the roads too strait and too op for powerbuilds)
Fh4 pi system < Fh5 pi system
Broadway > Mulege
Bamburgh > playa adults
Derwentwater > fh5 desert
@Faustin Dutoy Bouley that's what I mean FH1 to 3 were made as games 4 and 5 were made to sell that's the issue here
the first 3 imo we're the most substantial with each iteration bringing new content. the leap from FH1 to FH2 was insane, FH2 to FH3 was equally insane as the map and car roster had so much more variety and additions like body kits were brand new to the series. The DLC for FH3 imo still hasnt been de-throwned as the DLC alone is the reason I find myself booting that game up again from time to time. Obviously I have nostalgia for the the older Forza titles like FM4 as well but objectively speaking there were far more additions in the first 3 then there were in the last 2. I wouldn't mind Playground games letting their next installment bake a little longer in the oven as I really don't want to see FH6 end up like Halo lmao.
Personally I believe that the main thing in 4 that was better was the map. Because in 5 even though it has more diversity, the 4 map fealt more complete, with the main example being that 4 has WAY better dirt roads
I also think that the Highway in 5 ruined the opportunity for a great map, because it ruins the chances for diverse routes when freedom racing with friends
I also liked the architecture in FH4 a LOT better. None of the houses in FH5 look quite right to me. I do like the highway and jumps you can do, I like being able to go fast, the highway in FH4 was really small. So that is one think I do like about the FH5 map
I loved the seasons changing the entire scenery of the map in 4, with 5 the seasons don’t change anything
@@ShinyMew76, many complained that 4 did not have a long enough highway to open up the cars and test the true speed.
@@azrocker06 That’s why I like the FH5 highway
Fh4 felt like an improvement coming from fh3. We had one x enchantment, a new season system, more cars etc. horizon 5 just took all that and put a new map in its place
An arguably worse map aswell
@@Flying__Scotsman whenever I just think of horizon 5 map all I can think of it flat plains and mountains
@@kevinchadwick9108 mountain*
At least its not cloudy and rainy 80% of the time like in FH4
But the car sounds were just horrible, thats something that fh5 has improved
In some ways I actually miss FH4 it felt less dead and I liked the weather better and the map more
You can still play it💀
Hop on, it's still alive. When FH5 launched I felt no dip in population
@@razor-eye2134Really?? You can play games that didn't come out recently? Wow! Thought they removed it from the market overall
@@manh7897It is up on steam and booming rn
@@manh7897 Bruh 💀
I personally like 4 was better. I liked the map better, and the size did not matter because it was perfectly spaced to me.
You sounded like my ex, she said size doesnt matter, performance does. I like it.
@@emti29 yeah fh4 had so much more character to it compared to fh5
I know I’m late to the party.
Here are my observations, when playing FH4, when you’re driving cars fast on the asphalt, the sense of speed there is better than FH5
And FH4 is much much more lively despite it entering its 6th year for 2024
@@muhammadraiyanhaziq Just saw this, and I totally agree. So sad it’s finally getting ended, though. 😢
@@maxkane5138 Yea. Unfortunately, good things must come to an end
Forza Horizon 4 Was my first Forza game and it is so nostalgic whenever I hear the opening music and some of the Block Party songs 😢❤❤ it was so good for me I had no idea fh3 was even better as for me this was the best racing game I’d played
Playing timeless classics and driving through rain was great .
Try forza horizon 2, I'm sure you'll love it
my first was fh1 so way earlier than when you came into the community but that nostalgic feeling is exactly what i feel when i see the opening scene in fh1
ODESZA 😮💨
@@Gameplato A MOMMENT apart 😃
Forza horizon 4 was more fun than 5 to me. i dont know to to put it into words, but forza horizon 5 feels very generic. FH4 had better music, its map was significantly better than FH5. and the DLCs were fun too.
i definitely agree that they are in realistic terms no better than each other, but for now i’m giving them the benefit of the doubt with some aspects because they are still working with the old engine. however, as soon as they get the new engine they better make some big changes
Creativity is not engine related
@@falcongamer58 exactly. Devs with wayyy less funds made better quality experiences than what Turn10 churned out.
@@prodbybigl The whole game is just a product of recycling. Especially the dlc. It seems like all their efforts are going into those shitty livestreams. No bug fixes, no rebalancing and no new ideas whatsoever
@@prodbybigl The phisics have felt floaty and imprecise since 4. Recently played the first 3 again, and my god the cars just feel so much better, and roads have imperfections. Its so much more engaging and immersive.
And what happened to the night time lighting? in the first 3, it got super dark, in first person all you could see were where the headlights were and the dials. Now it just feels like a filter
There is no reason why free roam is dead in FH 5, while highly populated in FH 4.
The lack of gas stations restaurants grocery stores car washes airplanes in the skies etc on the map makes it feel empty on such a big map these things don't need to be usable but present to make it feel more alive
Not even that. Just an town would do. Its such a big map, and you've got one city, one proper town and that town in the bottom left this literally a couple of buildings on the corner. OH, and that town in the forest that's actually decent, but you can never find because there's literally nothing there.
The houses are crap as well. The starting house was pretty cool, but the others are non descript and all have the same building style and era. In FH5 we have 3 pretty standard villas, a shack and ahotel. and they are all either put next to the city or festival or the ring road. Imagine how cool having a shack deep in the rainforest by a massive river or lake that you have to get to by using little tracks, like the huntsmans cottage in FH4
@@dylanburston7453 right and fh4 had the best cities and neighborhoods and parking lots to drift in etc and fh3 had gas stations atleast one I remember it would be nice to have all of that back plus the things we all want like why can't we change roll cage color and wheels separate colors simple things they find so hard to implement that would make a world of difference
@@jblane100 Custom exhausts and the a overhaul of map design physics and a much darker night time and itd be almost perfect. Oh and services on the highways would be great.
The problem with the newer games is you jsut have too much freedom, they dont feel carefully crafted anymore.
The one problem I have with a Forza fives weather, specifically talking about the sandstorms. When you go up to a sandstorm or close to it it looks really far away, but then when you go a little bit more forward, you are already in it, even though it looked like it was at least 100 feet away.
Edit: I do understand that this is a very new thing for playground games, but when I saw that sand storms are going to be a Weather aspect of the game. I thought you would be able to drive right up to them and then go a little bit more forward and you’ll be in the storm not 100/ 50 feet away and then you’re in it when you drive forward.
I have said this previously but i say it again. The map has a lot of potential but developers has not taken the all out of it. All the main activities in the map has been focused in couple of areas. The rest of the map has just been left behind. There is a lot of unique places in the map but because there is nothing to do in those places no one is going to visit there. Shame really.
@@phookit2 canyon is my favourite part of the map. Tops out even the volcano. Takes several minutes to make a round around the canyon even in a supercar. Only thing we got there is like 2 races, jump and a showcase event which wasn't even that good.
And the seasons too, the map never changes except a sandstorm in 1 area and a thunderstorm every once in a while
I started forza with fh2 and played fh3 which were both really fun, but at fh4 and 5 it seems like they had a goal but didn't put as much soul into them
Modern gaming 😬
Much of what I've seen in FH5 seems like it was a "Copy/Paste" situation. Even some of the cars still carry a UK license plate, instead of a Mexico plate.
I’ll tell you one think though I am so done with the festival Playlist every week, that’s it’s starting to feel like a chore… I’ve been bored of it mid horizon 4s life and I was unhappy when they brought it back in 5
In some ways yes, in some ways no. FH5's map feels really lifeless and dull compared to FH4, but the driving roads themselves are a bit more enjoyable. The physics and audio are also improved over FH4, but the car list feels repetitive and unchanged. If you recall, FH4 didn't really hit its stride until new features like the Seasonal Playlist were introduced and breathed new life into the game. I think we might see FH5 go through a similar phase change later on that helps it come into its own a little more. I have low expectations, but still feel like the series is progressing forward... very slowly.
I believe it’s ‘heritage’ that makes the difference
It’s important to point this stuff out and where they truly are lacking in developmental ideas. They just better hope Test Drive doesn’t disrupt their whole market at this point. The repetitiveness is alarming at this point.
Lol this comment aged like milk
Horizon 3 was magical
Horizon 4 improved on it
Horizon 5 is an empty shell..
Agree, very good answer. That's why I've returned from FH5 to FH4.
@@AlexKowalski-ci6im Same
I like fh4 way more then fh5
Why?
Prettier.
Forza Horizon 4 was and is still an amazing game. I love it.
1 year later and I still haven’t had a horizon arcade with more than 3 players…..
The ones on 4 we're always packed
I actually wondered if it is just me but apparently the Arcade is dead. Usually, I’m alone with the occasional case that someone who doesn’t actively participate is in the same session and then I have to get his points to (which is fine up to two passive participants but it gets grindy). There should be a system that you have to accept the participation.
@@FeebleDaddy Yes, but in the end, there were more and more passive people just sitting there to grab the points. Maybe a MVP system were the best participant gets bonus points (which in FH5 are totally useless as you are crapped on with them) or other bonus rewards would be a good solution.
The main thing i am missing from the older horizon games is the festival aspect. You could take the festival from horizon 5 and it wouldnt be a huge different game. In horizon 1 and 2 the festival was a massive aspect, now its just there
2 and 4 are my favourite gosh I miss 1 and 2 days
Everyone here is wrong, the correct answer is Midnight Club 3 is better.
FH 1 to 3 was golden (specially Goliath of 3 wich was brilliant), Fh4 and 5 i kinda liked but.. i miss beating rivals and a focus on story, now we´re Hyper stars and that´s it, no focus, just grinding, nerfs left and right i avoid MP like plague except on trials where i play with randoms, since any of my friends list dropped FH4 or 5 a month after launch.
That’s so true.. forza horizon 2 and 3 gave me so many good moments with multiplayer and with the AI convoys. All my friends got forza and stopped playing a couple months after release
Personally, I feel more attached to fh4 because not only was that my first horizon, but also since I live in the UK, it's more relatable than FH5 and I get a lot more of the references first-hand etc. Despite this, I feel FH5 is still better in most ways (which matter). This may vary the more I play online races tho 😂
I just starting playing Forza 4 winter of 2020/2021 and it was so incredible. I played 5 on its release day and I felt like something was missing as well. Then I realized that it wasn’t the game, it was me. I’m MUCH more partial to enjoying British culture than Mexican/desert culture. I lived in Arizona for a year and hated it. Once I realized that, 5 became an extension of 4 to me. Because I bounce from 4 to 5 a lot, I appreciate that they are super similar and I don’t have to remember how to play one or the other. I have cars in 4 that I get excited to drive and I have different cars in 5 that I get excited to drive. I honestly hope 6 feels the same as 4 and 5, just different scenery and slightly different cars.
I think they coulda done more with Mexico in Forza 5 more cities , & of course we need more cars that we actually want.
Even now, I can't believe FH5 has released, but after 270 hours of experience, I really have the impression there is something missing, even in my 20th hour I had this impression.... WHAT IS IT !?
Lots of the cars are missing for a start.
Soul
FH5 map should have more modern parts because theres almost none of it, only the stadium and the far west side of the map
yes I think Mexico City would have been better than Guanajuato because there are more modern buildings while in Guanajuato there is not much modern and it is less interesting for roleplay
I agree. The map needs more features and things to do- think of the fh3 construction site, shipwrecks, and wood farm. All these areas were great and provided playability but werent exactly specific or necessary locations for the game to work. They just added them and they became favourites for all fh3 players. We have 0 areas (excluding temples) like that in fh4 (and even then, only one of the temples has any real playability, and they are all VERY similar.)
The intro to fh4 is just AMAZING.
With the gamepass mentality, that's why FH5 was.... kinda underwhelming..
(From a first timer playing FH5, Festival Playlist was aight, turn to boredom a lot)
Forza 4 best horizon ever
Edit: the main reason being the height variation made the map very fun to play games we made up; all playground areas, airfield, Edinburgh, windmill farm, and a few others I can't remember. Most of the time I spent in fh4 was messing around in the open world. The problem with fh5 is there isn't really an area that is as interesting as fh4.
Edit2: also the menu in fh4 was way easier to get through
The FH4 menu was a total mess. Very difficult to navigate. Me who owns every main Horizon game there is the one being my favourite is which i return the most often. And that being FH2. The map feels much bigger what it really is 'cause you can't just cross country the whole map. You need to use roads and those very rarely are linear from point A to point B. Also the only game where my progress is over 100%.
@@MlCROPIZZA it may have been a mess but it made sense to me and the fh5 menu is too spread out for easy access to things like changing cars or seeing in game messages or even wheelspins
I’m my opinion both forza games lack soul, the characters feel like robots, the cars aren’t as fun, and the only thing that has gotten better is the graphics
Quality over quantity, FH1 and 2 (at the time) had a mixture of both, i wish they went back to having an actual progression based story instead of the game letting you (the player) be the story teller
This is the reason why I regret buying the series s. Lol I can’t even play the good FH games
Same
I especially agree with the recycling of cars from previous titles, they need to stop that and put all cars from previous games in from launch.
I agree with you on the city and towns, the architecture in horizon 5 feels 3rd world level, they should've included more developed towns found in mexico. The only interesting parts about guanajuato were the large buildings, not the boxy houses, as for the towns, they were bland, as well as the lack of pedestrians on the sidewalks
I cannot agree the games are even. Forza Horizon 5 is just a reskinned FH4. The credit has to go more towards FH4 as it did pretty much all of the stuff fh5 does and on a better map (FH5 map is soooo lifeless and bland)
I got fh4 a few days ago and I literally cant stop playing it lol, im loving every seconds of the game. I was hooked from the start when i was racing my first off road race and chose my favorite car of all time, the 037 and also when the race started, i started with Safari Song by Greta Van Fleet. Coming from someone who only played FH1 and skipped 2 and 3, FH4 is a HUGEEE improvement. Ill wait till FH5 gets close to delisting to play it
There's much improvement in the basic structure of the game, from Horizon 3 to 4 to 5. Physics modeling, graphics, animations, and such. Map size and diversity, and the car roster can vary in quantity and quality. What I see suffering is the removal of features that we actually kindof liked, like custom championships, or any real sense of progression, or anything passing for an overarching story or purpose. I think the playlist has largely backfired too; Forzathon in Horizon 3 was a great excuse to go back into the game at least once a week, and seasonal championships in Horizon 4 was a novel idea at first. Bundling them together in the playlist was... fine, I guess. But now it's more like "ugh, I gotta go back and do the playlist." They're littered with duplicate cars I already have, and the one new McGuffin most weeks. And once I'm done with that, and unlocked the McGuffin i don't feel like doing anything else. The game seems to be figuring out how to unlock the McGuffin with as little work as possible, plus the one or two other items that are actually fun.
The phisics have gotten alot worse. been playing 1 and 3 recently, and the cars react so much more convincingly, especially in terms of weight.In fh1, the OG mini felt ridiculously light. Now it feels identical to my 3000lb GTR
Fh5 slightly worse but I prefer the fh4 because actually much better experience than fh5 that already have
We had a perfect racing game that included features we are still asking for to this day. Test Drive Unlimited 2. The 2 detailed maps, atmosphere, progression and some other things made that game very memorable and I hope TDU Solar Crown can capture that and Turn 10 take notes as well.
Yes fh4 was soo amazing
4:45 FH5 map is not 1.5 times larger than FH4 map. It is 1.5 times the size of FH4 map. So 50% increase in map size and NOT 150%. FH4 map being 71,46 km2 and FH5 map 107,19 km2 which is exactly 1.5 times the size of FH4 map.
It's a difficult one for me because I started playing Forza from Forza Horizon 3, I like Horizon 3 because of how nostalgic it is, I Love Horizon 4 because its set in the UK and its main city is my capital city but I also like Horizon 5 because of its cars, customisation and the map to some degree.
Same
same. Although I don’t live in Edinburgh but ive been a couple times and when i first
Played i was captivated being able to go down the streets ive been on in real life in a game
I keep going back to FH4. The atmosphere and use of color in that game is unmatched. Driving around during sunset while it transitions into nighttime always looks incredible, especially in winter. The seasons also gave it a lot more replayability than I intially expected. The only reason why I'm not playing it as much anymore is because it lacked proper customization in terms of aesthetics.
I genuinely haven’t played in ages because its so hard to get the millions and millions required for the new cars i want and when i do get them they handle the same as everything else once modified
On another video I made a very long, but in-depth “Wishlist” for FH5 (and also FH6). It contained many cars not featured on FH5 that were in FH4, such as the Volkswagen I.D. R. In that comment, I had just recently gone back to playing FH4 a few months after FH5 was released, and I realised quite a few interesting things (if you can find the comment, please link it in the replies, but I can’t find it anymore)
-Cars such as the Volkswagen ID R have disappeared in FH5
-The game ran WAY smoother, and rarely (if ever) dropped frames, even on a 6+ year old Xbox One S in FH4
-There was more of a city in FH4
-There was a cool spot in a concrete tube near a drag strip where you can do a wheelspeed glitch (it still works as of ~June 2022!) in FH4
-The overall experience felt less busy & more refined, from the higher (CONSISTENT) frames, to the evened-out font sizes, to even the more accurate speedometer needle! (FH4)
And finally, I don’t know what it was about that game, but the cars were MUCH easier to drive in FH4 (even after the suspension update a few weeks ago)!
*Keep in mind, I HAVE NEVER PLAYED ANY OF THE TITLES BEFORE FH4*
I honestly thought that I was the only one who felt a difference between the two. When I first played fh5, I was like a total noob, I even had to drop my difficulty from my preferred unbeatable setting to highly skilled and below because I kept losing…
Yeah! Why is that? I mean, I know they upped the difficulty for “Unbeatable”, but the cars shouldn’t be that hard to drive! I don’t know. Maybe we’re just not used to the physics in FH5…or it lags more…but I’m not sure.
@@insertname1250 yes, but the unbeatable drivatar is pretty ridicilous too. It’s not better with regards to having better lines or something, it just flat out has op grip and power, nothing more. This really shows in CC races
@Várkonyi Bende It sure does.
4 was the best imo, the immersion, the map, the aesthetic, the car balance and models etc all better, especially better than FH5. Summed up as well. No one wanted the new horizon based in fucking Mexico. A country with nearly no racing or car heritage or significant contribution to car culture at all. The best thing FH5 did was the removal of free roam rush
I'm mexican, I'm biased, I love the 4 but the 5 makes me cry, it's sad that there is so much hate,
it makes my skin crawl see everything so well represented it's beautiful
I play on a logitech g920 so i love it and the graphics and everything, music could be better lol,
famous Mexican car is the TSURITO
Forza 4 already was my favourite as soon as I saw a dodge charger R/T as a starter car. Anything with a dodge csr that I can instantly get is my favourite
I think FH5 had quite a lot of bugs/problems when it came out 🤔. Cool once again Eric :)
Yeah it certainly did. Cheers Nathan!
@@ericship111 No problem 😄
FH4 didn't have online adventure races on release tho. FH4 was very buggy also
@@Sol-hd7pz At least it added a whole lot from the previous game.Fh5 took away seasons and half the cars, less interesting houses and worse roads overall for a bit of extra (empty) map
4 is way better than 5, there is no doing about that
FH4 felt better aesthetically, you could take beautiful diverse screenshots, however in FH5 all screenshots just kinda look the same
all of fh4 was grassland it was not diverse at all
@@iambrd1543 If you think FH4 wasn't diverse just because it isnt a completely different colour, your blind. Fh4 had rolling hills bottom left, a huge forest bottom left, 2 massive lakes, mooreland in the middle and mountains left top and a great coast on the right, and then Edinburgh like a cherry on top. All had unique roads, all were changed drastically by the seasons, and all had great off road.
FH5 had 2 coats, a empty desert, 2 arid grassland things and a rainforest. Oh and a mountain with 8 miles of road which has precisely 2 different corners on it for its duration. It had half the towns in it, and all the buildings feel fake
@@dylanburston7453 there were lakes in fh5 too, also canyon and mountain/forest terrain, roads are as varied as they can be (much longer highway, twisty roads in moutnains etc) and there's more verticality in map. and in fh4 the only season that changes something is winter, other seasons are just reskins of each other (much like seasons in fh5)
@@TDB-rm4qt Theres one pathetic lake (which has no water in half the time Woohoo, a bit more desert to drive in)
The roads are all the same in FH5. The coas, the rainforest, the one above the volcano, all feel and drive the same.
The one up the volcano only has 2 corners, left hairpins and right harpins for 8MILES, and it isnt even a thin road so it isnt engaging.
There is one good driving road in FH5, and that's the one that goes on top of the lake.
@@dylanburston7453 and what's different in roads in fh4 then, why they are so "diverse" in comparison? also in volcano there are more than 2 types of corners, if you actually try to look at the map, you can see it. and anyways there aren't any road of this type in fh4 (except just one pathetic small dirt road)
Why does it feel like everyone always says they like the game previous to the current in every franchise?
i feel like FH5's biggest problem is the map. I love that they did work on the little things that people have talked about, car sounds, bodykits and other forms of customization, but its hard to enjoy it when you're in the desert. Mexico isnt a Minecraft seed.
Last comment horizon 4 had my 3 favorite cars in real life , the mclaren 12c, aston martin one-77, and the kia stinger five has none of them .
The night in fh4 felt like real night but in fh5 looks like it is still day and also in fh4 there was snow in the whole map but in fh5 it only snows in the volcano
Even the night in 4 wasn't great. In first person in 12and 3 at night all you can see are whats in your headlights and the dials, and possibly the festival in the distance. Or 3 had surfers paradise and that awesome night sky. You couldnt see your own wingmirrors
4 and 5 feel like someone's put a thin blanket over the sun
@@dylanburston7453 bruh just turn up your brightness maybe, you know
@@TDB-rm4qt Why would i turn up the brightness? Its already too bright.
Its not an issue with the brightness settings. I have all FH games on the same brightness settings on the same TV, and they all look the same during the day.
FH4 is slightly too bright during the night, FH5 isnt dark enough at all
Fh5 is probably the worst one yet. It did absolutely nothing new for the series besides what, improved engine noise and a different map? Not to mention the story took a massive downgrade. We went from wristbands and cutscenes to building and leveling up the festival sites to essentially nothing. How can you reach the “hall of fame” and complete the story without doing a single big event?
Few reasons I’m preferring the FH4 over 5, first off being the Italian cars, second is that UK just gives a stronger sense of a “heritage” than Mexico, I also prefer the way they do the seasons than FH5.
In the end, once the game moves on to the next gen, I could find myself still go back to FH4 once in a while, but maybe not as much as FH5
The only thing better in fh5 are the graphics and cars 💀 fh4 was more joyful 😔
The biggest problem in fh5 compared to fh4 is the way the ruined soo many car sounds which they got it right on fh4. E60m5, e92 m3, McLaren F1, hoonigannfiesta rally car, Honda's and a lot more. This was always a reason since I got fh5. The excitement died down and now I play it just to get the new cars mostly
I don't know what I'd class as better but I'll always hop on fh4 first
I would be content with less cars, but a more interesting map. I only drive about 50 cars anyways.
Fh5 map is bland and it’s crazy how we have a near identical car list to 4 but damn near all the cars don’t have spacer options… it starts with the little shit
I didn't bought FH5 because it was way expensive and after some time I realised I chose wisely not to buy a game that it's price doesn't represent the things that gamers receive from the game. And one thing that I hate about Forza Horizon generally speaking, is the lack of visual customisation. It's a 2021 game and you just can't exclude customisation variety especially in exhaust, bumpers, fenders, spoilers.
I feel like FH5 is missing some core features from FH4, like main menu is just straight up ripped from FH3 and the night-time is considerably fast. Plus the game lacks some bodykits for some cars.
For me FH4 is better because in FH5, I still have basically no traffic, and most of the races are repetative on the (mostly) same tracks over and over. 4 even looks better with lower graphics settings! Come on, PG!
Its worth to mention the season system. In FH4 its brilliant where in FH5 it does not change much other than adds some snow onto peak on volcano in one season. Maybe map was smaller in FH4, but it was changing drastically each season.
I feel like Forza need to update the night sky since it seems empty and bare
I’ve been perfecting FH4 a lot more recently. I jumped back on that and the atmosphere to Britain is better than Mexico to me. Also for what I do in FH5. I like it better in FH4. I do a lot of cruising around and speed physics in FH5 are very lacking.
Now I’ve played 1000’s of hours on all Horizons, sim racing obsessed. I believe FH5 had sorted the vehicle sounds out etc & I love the car list and updates. But FH1 to FH4 had some soul. FH5 just feels a dead map with a cold feel. But I still love it a lot.
should i buy fh 4 or 5?
@@realbeetlejuice 4 as it's cheap and will soon be took off from sales .
@@realbeetlejuice 5
Devs don't care of quality or features. Quality is good enough: "nothing to do here..."
I asked the support(reopened 7 months old ticket) when VRAM issue will be fixed. Answer killed me: "We do not have ETA for the VRAM issue".
It follows the game from the start. Almost a year. Not only they did not fix it, the don't even know when they will. Answer is - never.
I wish I liked fh5 more, but I don't think so.
I'm not buying or preordering next Forza games if I do not see massive changes
Yes, yes and all the yes's, its a bag of rubbish, its far too arcadey, complete rubbish and it bugs me that people are still putting out videos on it, we should be completely ignoring it so that they pull their finger out and don't keep trying to cash cow the franchise.
omg eric, its been a long time since ive seen your video like wow
ive been watching u before my chanel :)
glad to see you again
also first lol
Mexico is not the right choice for the new Horizon location. Simple as that.
60fps is a clear reason why 4 was better than 3. 30fps hurts your eyes compared to 60fps
FH5 is all about bugs and glitches
I've gone back to FH4 also, FH5 has better car sound without doubt. The gameplay in 4 is as good as 5. FH5 seasons seem the same, only the reservoir being full or empty is the only change. I view them as equal but with different scenery
I liked more fh4, I liked to just get in the game and run around the scenery, I thought it was beautiful. The fh5 didn't attract me that much, I enter the game only to play the playlist.
I think fh5 is better but if it weren't for the updated car sounds i wouldn't be so sure.
The problem is with the map it just feels dead there are no houses outside the towns and the ones there is are old fashioned or rundown.
Make a more modern map, with more towns maybe even 2 cities and a bit more modern architecture and then its a solid game
i agree it think the "ratio" is a big thing, honestly i like the size of fh4 map more, since as u said, i feel like the size is just like taking a smaller map, and just streching it out, not adding more things, but just making the distance that you have to drive longer. personally i like fh4 more, but that might be becouse it was my first horizon game, and i really loved it.
i think it could just be some fatigue with the series. inevitably its gonna get harder to keep coming up with original content every few years and obtaining a roster of cars we havent seen before sounds expensive and time consuming. so perhaps smaller map size but every 6 months we get a new map in a different part of the world? that way you can have 6 months in japan with touge, japanese cars and culture. then maybe france or germany? maybe do somewhere like sweden/arctic circle? iceland with those crazy offroaders? this way the game feels entirely fresh every 6 months with new location specific quests and vehicles. one of the best dlc for me was the island in 4. obvs the drift road was ace but also the treasure chests to find and the feel of a different small island community. was the same vibes with blizzard mountain.. did a lot with a small space. with 5 i had been jumping on once a week to get the new cars. now i cant even be bothered to do that as i have enough money to buy anything i dont have. PG needs to win me back with something genuinely interesting for the next dlc, whatever an whenever that may be..
I’ve only played horizon 4 and 5 and I have to say horizon 4s map was so monumentally better than 5s I just find myself going back to it.
I have rally felt someting is missing in FH5, which has made me almost stop playing; to me it's the lack of change (not new things, just changing things), it really is the same game structure entirely; also I feel like there's just too much of everything: map, cars, features, even customization - there's nothing to be hoping for, or anything frustrating - you just have everything all the time.
So with all that, I would say FH4 is better over FH5, as mad as it sounds.
Edit: FH4 also has a 'real' map, it makes sense in its construction and never goes to far (after all, UK hasn't got that much diversity, but it makes sense and isn't overwhelming)
the cars feel horrible offroad in fh5, they slide constantly and theyre slow. they nerfed pretty much every car too much, S1 is the new S2 in FH5
i recently also went back to playing fh4 for a bit and man the nostalgia, also yes there is no where near as many bugs and glitches in fh4 then 5 the ui os overall way smoother and that's disappointing to see that they went backwards in that regard but the overall game itself i have to give it to fh5 as it's overall a better game because of the better graphics more realistic physics bigger map more cars and so on.
I just wish they made Scotland bigger in fh4 and that's all we needed and we could still be playing it today.
Fh5 feels so empty.
Horizon 4 was the first Horizon title I played when I was like 9, so long ago. And my small little baby child brain loved it! I recently went back to my last save on fh4 and started roaming around the map and, I gotta say, it’s not terrible. But it is terrible compared to other open world racers like The Crew or NFS or even FH5. Horizon 4 would’ve been a good game 7 years ago, but now it’s terrible compared to its competitors. I think the same can be said for FH5. Forza just isn’t the best racing game anymore. And I don’t think I would be saying this if Need For Speed existed. You see what I mean? It’s good, just not good enough.
Using a wheel, the physics are great especially for drifting. Everything else I feel is a letdown. The game wasn’t even finished when released. Even now some things feel broken. Forza weekly mission broken every month. I don’t care so much about finishing them as I know at some point when one of them won’t work. I’m not building myself up to 100% the festival playlist as most often you can’t. If it unreliable to play and finish missions, then what’s the point. See a car you like. Unlock it and forget the rest.
i had ton of online friends in fh4, we use to race together in teams but now none of us play together
Fh5 is a ghost town
I am to the point that I don’t really understand the game any more. I mean, how much do people really drive through fields in the game for days and days? It’s sort of gimmicky and got old to me after a short bit. And with that said, in a super/hypercar? Feels out of place. I get the arcadey nature of the game and perhaps taking race shortcuts, but the formula feels a bit old and in FH5 going for a shortcut you just get hung up in the desert. Definitely have mixed feelings towards the series.
Honestly I'd say Whitelight has the best video on the slow decline in Horizon quality, even if he also doesn't mention how they axed the proper Player Clubs in FH3.
Driving 2WD in FH4 is like you driving car on ice all the time lol
I wished horizon 4 didn't take away the jeep wagoneer and I wish horizon 5 would bring back the plymouth fury, the Hudson Hornet and the wagoneer!!😭
Hi, for me fh5 is too much oriented in non-conventionnal cars, that’s nice but too much, I prefer less supercars and prototype, and a bit more ordinary cars…. Why not some family saloon, hatchbacks and everyday racers.
I prefer fh4, more realistic map for RP playing.
All news models ( more electric) don’t make me dream in real life, that’s the same in fh5.
Sorry I’m a petrolhead 😅
Nice work, hello from France 😊
Personally I believe the difference between FH 3 and FH 4 is bigger than FH 4 and FH 5. I played more 4 and 5 than 3 and I got to say I like FH 4 more than the other 2.
for me personally, at least for technical side, FH4 was better... In FH4 I've never encountered any visual issues, races worked as they were supposed to, and cutscenes worked,... in FH5 lots of cutscenes have wrong car animations, I have all the time graphical bugs with missing textures, and it also feels that the drivatars devolved instead of improving... in previous titles these drivatars felt like they were real drivers (mistakes, different lines, etc.) but now? drivatars are just glued to the "ideal" racing line, breaking precisely as the line dictates, and they rubberband like crazy... (for example, in higher difficulties, I will give my hand into the fire that the drivatars are programmed so that you can't get to the first place until 70% of the race has been finished...)
I don’t like how in horizon 5 we can’t change the difficulty in seasonal championships which is annoying because I want to be able to put the drivatars to a higher level but it only lets me put them in highly skilled which makes it to easy
Fh4 just felt like a better game especially in Quarantine with da boyz
Tbh, I think Horizon 4 was the more lively type of game compared to 5
But I much prefer 5's physics and 5 story is a little better in my opinion. And the customization and menu is better in horizon 5 tho