PSMSA DIY Derringer - DIY 22wmr Cylinder
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- Опубліковано 23 січ 2024
- Practical Scrap Metal Small Arms vol 7 Model 2 Revolver kit from Excalibur.
These are manually turned and index on the bottom cylinder. Six 22mags won't fit, five would but wouldn't index correctly, so four it is !
Their brass cratering into the breech face makes turning the cylinder difficult after firing. I've found dropping the hammer on a fired round 3 or 4 times is enough to hammer it back down so it can be rotated again. Not a complete success, but this is a novelty at best anyway. - Спорт
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Splendidly done, a fine work in progress.
Cant stop the Signal.
Thanks, I like all Homemade Guns. Even the janky ones !
E e q11😂😂❤❤😂@@jimafcarbon4433
The most expensive part of this build is the test firing! Cool stuff!👍
Second only to the cost of heating the shop that day.
Handsome work as always Jim
Thank you for the kind words.
@@jimafcarbon4433 would you sell me this 4 hole cylinder 22mag?
I would be so, so happy to be able to craft one of these gems. This one is really beautiful and unique. Unfortunately, I live in Brazil, the country where, if you are a honest citizen, you can't have a slingshot. Anyways, props for the hard work!! Keep it up!
The countries with the most restrictive gun laws produce the best improvised weapons!
@@jimafcarbon4433 Yes, but not all of them have such a good quality like yours! Great work! I have a question.
How do you get such knowledge? Like, with the metalwork and all? This is really an art form. Where can a person learn it from? Thanks!
Also, do you use any CAD program to design these pieces?
@SirKL all self taught. I enjoy the DIY of everything, but applied to firearms the most. Almost 15 years ago I stared acquiring metal working equipment, lathes, mills and the like. UA-cam is great for the basics, but they don't allow anything instructional for firearms related videos. Basically, I learned through desire. I wanted to make firearms so I did just that. Found some easy plans and went to work. They're not all successful, and certainly not all show pieces. I only post my videos to inspire and encourage others to take on builds of their own. The "Practical Scrap Metal Small Arms" series is a great place to start.
@@jimafcarbon4433 Awesome! Thank you for the tip, downloaded all volumes. Great will you have to learn. Maybe in the future, I will be able too
@@SirKL post some videos !
Check with the local scrap yard for tubing for a bullet trap. I use a piece of 12” schedule 40 steel pipe. It was scrap from an industrial pump but anything like that will work. It has a 5/16” side wall thickness. I used a torch to cut the face at a 45 degree opening to shoot into. Make the opening 12” x 18” or so. Then I dug a hole a few feet deep and set it in the ground at a 45 degree angle so the bullets hit the back and angle down into the tube. Filled it with sand. 20 years ago and never a problem except I cannot clean it out without digging it up. If I ever need lead I have a stash. Many thousands of rounds from 22 short up to 300 mag without even a good dimple in the strike face. Really. But 300 mag really knocks the rust off of it. Lol. The pipe was about 5’ long also.
Sounds like what I need . I have a line on some scrap pipe, so it's in the works. I'll post a video !
Fantastic job. Well done!
Thanks for the kind words. I'm just here to inspire others to take on a build of their own.
If you make the hammer tip more of a point than a flat head you can have more support material on the breach face, just a thought. great video cool gun.
I was considering making a more legitimate breech block with a floating firing pin. Overthinking a simple gun.
That is so, so cool! Thanks for the video. I have one of these old Leinad revolvers, so I'd love a new cylinder like that. My machining skills aren't up to par, though, but it was fun to watch.
They are janky, but they certainly have their appeal. This one was a kit build. Everything but the frame in the kit. Had to cut the steel and weld it together.
@@jimafcarbon4433 Oh, nice. I bought mine already built. I also have the .45-LC/.410 5-shot revolver of basically the same design, but doesn't have the external surrounding tube. Cool pepperboxes.
@halfcockedhobbyist I have a single and double barrel 45/410. I have always wanted the 22 over 410 double. I always forget they made the 410 pepper box. They also made long barreled versions with stocks.
ua-cam.com/video/MBIF-PGMays/v-deo.html
@@jimafcarbon4433Years ago, I used to see this kits advertised in The Shotgun News and I almost bought some, but didn't. I wish I had, but back then I didn't think I had the skills to complete it. I've since learned to weld and am doing metal casting and other new hobbies, and would love do something like this now.
@halfcockedhobbyist you could DIY the whole gun. These are all full DIY:
ua-cam.com/video/FFT7h1pGW8Y/v-deo.html
Jim's pepper shaker adds spiciness to this dish)
Nice !
Very interesting experiment.
I couldn't help it. Every time I looked at it I wondered if it'd work.
with the right tools it looks so easy great job man
I have enough tools I can make anything but money.
Beautiful Work my friend. I am. anew subscriber and I am so glad I found your channel because I am doing something similar and I was not going to rifle the 2 or 2 and a 1/2 inch barrel. I believe I may cast one out of aluminum so That I can bore the 4 holes out and even though it is already for magnums i do not have faith in the mystery metal that it is made from. I am sure everything would be fine but I am not going to take any chances if it is not completely necessary...
Post some videos of your build!
Good working sir 😮
Thank you ! 👁❤️🔫
I had once posted a comment of a project for someone to make, of a rifled black powder .44/.45LC pepperbox, and posed the question if rifling was even possible or practical in a pepper box cylinder; similar to the .45LC/.410 version that survivorjohnny44 John Tewelow posted on UA-cam? Though, it didn't mention anything about rifling. I'm still interested in knowing if rifling in the cylinder would be a good project for consideration?
Sounds like a cool project. The rifling, while it'd be nice if it really works and works well, it's required to be legal, so if you get that covered, anything else is icing! I've had great luck with smaller calibers. The first 22lr I ever built from scratch is very accurate. Even the 32's are decent. I've had some good and lots of bad luck with 9mm, 357 and up. I have 410/45 build planned. Maybe you'll get to it before I do. Post a video of your project please !
Ha cool 👌 the barrel is good brass coming out easy just back different idea and it would keep the brass with out expanding much cool man
It was a cool idea. I think I'll make a whole new gun for it with a better supported breech and a floating firing pin.
Hi there, great vid thankyou. Can I ask how many tons pressure required to push the die through? Thank you!
I use a 20 ton press. It's certainly not at its limits in the process
Thankyou very much for taking the time to reply! I was going to get a 10t press but may not be enough....cheers!
I like pepperbox revolvers, they are somehow just more appealing to me than regular revolvers.
But I didn’t quite get how this one indexes. Am I right to assume that there is a spring loaded part that „locks“ into the front of the lower barrel?
Also nice work btw!
It was really interesting to watch you build that cylinder from scratch.
I haven’t done much machining, so it was my first time seeing that wheel you used to get the knurling. A very interesting process
Yes. You're right, there's a detent that indexed on the bottom Chamber.
Knurling tools are cool. For sure.
胡椒瓶，同心度就不是问题了，不错！good
Yes, these are fairly crude, which makes them easier to DIY.
Would absolutely love to purchase one of these
Not sure if anyone still sells the complete guns, but Excalibur sells the kits for a DIY build !
Excalibur?
@FriedPi-mc5yt yes, they sell kits to DIY your own. A few different models. Not sure which are still in production, but there was a single 410, a double 410, a 22 over 410 and a 22 Revolver. And a few long gun versions as well.
@@jimafcarbon4433 I’ve built a couple semi auto AK variants and machined several AR lowers. So a derringer or two seems like a nice change up. Found the website. So I’ll be doing a bit more digging. I guess a mig will work for the frame? I’m not running a tig.
@@jimafcarbon4433 Interesting, Lee Tool and Machine in Chattanooga Tennessee has the frame flats.
Travail d'artiste !... 👍🏻 🇨🇵
Thank you, these are ugly guns though. Still fun to see what can be done.
@@jimafcarbon4433
👍🏻Travail d'artiste au sujet de la réalisation du tube en 22wmr !
(Dommage que le passage du percuteur soit un peu large) ...
It works though. I'm not thrilled with the function. But it satisfied my curiosity.
@@jimafcarbon4433
👍🏻 Merci pour le partage... A+
You're welcome. I share these hoping to inspire others to take on a build of their own !
Was thinking if using a ball between rifling die and the rod for pushing may help to allow it to turn while broching the lands would help? I've no idea, just thought to ask
It turns on its own quite well. Biggest issue is lining everything up and pushing straight.
@@jimafcarbon4433 okay. Thanks. Thinking about a model tank barrel, more for scale effect than actual firing. Thanks for the reply
@russcole5685 some of these really cut some good rifling. But the ECM rifling method might be better for your needs. Or maybe just 3d printed.
@@jimafcarbon4433 umm. Yea, I should have mentioned, it's a steel model. A lot of lathe work.
@russcole5685 any videos of that? ECM would work well though.
I’d love to see how you build your bullet trap
Well, I ate a tub of pretzels, then I dumped sand into the tub, threw some old rags on top after eating some sand. One day I'll make a proper bullet trap.
a cap and ball version would also be really cool to see
I like the way you think !
@@jimafcarbon4433 could carry multiple cylinders for faster reloads
@@tinkeringclaws5559 that's a great idea, a necessity with black powder.
Just need a recoil shield with a tiny gap for the firing pin with no significant gap.....
Yeah, unfortunately, being as crude as these are, it's not ideal. I'll come up with something.
Would you carry 22 mag for self defense and if so what grain weight?
I sometimes carry a North American Arms 22wmr. It's loaded with hornady critical defense which are 45gr.
@@jimafcarbon4433 Thank you for responding.
I'm only here to inspire others to take on a build of their own. Build something and post a video !
Correct method would be to do rifling after reamed bore then chamber ream.
I bore them chamber so the chamber acts as a lead for the button. I always finish ream after though.
Where do you get your rifling buttons?
Typically ebay. $20-30/ea They can be made too, but it's not always easy to get good results, so give yourself the best odds of success.
I’m curious what brand or should I say design it’s from
PSMSA is short for Professor Parabellum's Practical Scrap Metal Small Arms. This one is Model 1 from vol 7.
Cobray / Leinad made production versions of these as well. Excalibur sold many (and still sells some) different kits for DIY builds. Mostly based around 410/45lc. I have several videos with a few different versions that I have built.
cool
I'm sure the only issue is the breech, not the cylinder itself. Maybe I'll make a whole new gun just to prove it to myself.
Hi Jim, so you first drill the barrel, rimed it and then make rifling? Can you tell me please the size of drill for drilling and size for rifling button, thanks
To get the correct size, you should drill a little under sized and ream to final dimension. So for 22wmr, .218 bore, I would drill first with 1/8", then a #3 and ream with a .2180 ream. The cheap adjustable readers can be used, bit they are a little less accurate.
Same with 22lr, but finish with a .2160 ream.
@@jimafcarbon4433 Thanks. In size of rifling button? 5.5 or 5.6 mm??
@@juanmanuelherves7036 5.6 or 5.56 if you can find it.
@@jimafcarbon4433 Thanks, and chamber dimension is same than barrel?
@juanmanuelherves7036 I use a chamber ream for all my 22lr and 22wmr builds. I will single point bore a straight wall chamber if I have to, but I don't mind spending money on quality tools like chamber reams if I know I'll use them.
Liberty pistol 😊
Viva la Libertad
Hello .you make best gan
Thank you. I'm just here to inspire others to take on a build of their own!
Fire it again on the spent round and that might reverse the bulging.
I like the way you think! I did just that the next day, takes 3 times to make it easy enough to turn without breaking it open.
Do the cylinder turn when you fire it each time like a regular revolver, my phone cut off watching , the professor 🤓
No, it's old school. Manually indexed Revolver. There's a detent to make it stop in the right position. But you have to turn it between each shot. A lot of the PSMSA series designs have an antique like action. As that tends to be easier to DIY at home. Professor sounds better than the mad scientist of janky Homemade guns !
@@jimafcarbon4433 professor 🤓 👍
@craigfinley2507 the whole PSMSA series is full of strange stuff like this this.
Would you sell this? I'd love to add it to my Cobray collection!!
I don't sell anything but these lil Homemade guns are fun. So much yiu can do with them
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Барабан- ствол утежеляет изделие!!!
It does. Which is yet another reason modern firearms have modern designs.
@@jimafcarbon4433 выдержит ли сигнальный пистолет винтовочный патрон ? Если вкладыш 70см с наркозом сделать 5.55
Could probably do many different calibers. This is just a novelty of sorts. A fun project.
Упрощенный вариант без лишней механики. Зато нет проблем с соосностью и прорывом пороховых газов.
@@TechMik деринжер по итогу выходит , только со сменным стволиком и долгим перезарядом ,по центру экстрактор не помешал бы как у револьвера! А так ракетница вещ! Любой вкладыш можно вставить!)
What are you shooting into?
It's a plastic tub full of sand, with some rags on top to keep the sand from blowing out. But we now have a proper bullet trap
ua-cam.com/video/XpalisW9ufw/v-deo.html
真是心灵手巧工具妙🎉
Thank you. It's not practical, but looking at these guns, I get ideas. Until I see those ideas come to life, they will consume me.
Sorry, why are the impact marks on the 22LR trigger on the edge and not in the middle like on the original bullet?
"Rimfire" they are offset from the firing pin because the primer is not in the middle, but in the outer rim.
Bro how can find this blue print?
Search for "Practical Scrap Metal Small Arms vol 7" this is Model 1
@@jimafcarbon4433 thank you so much 🙏❤️❤️
@@Ali_gangs I'm only hoping to inspire others to take on a build of their own!
Hey I've messaged you before and watch a lot of your videos. I know your skills are on point for this build and I am begging you to take a shot at this one. It's called "The Apache Knuckle Duster"! You can build this model I know it and it's a awesome looking gun. Please I'm begging you to take a look at this gun and make videos of your build. Your an amazing mechanist and know how to break it down. Let me know if you will take this on for me. I'll buy and donate a revolver cylinder if you want. That's how bad I want to see this remake!!
I'm in the middle of like 4 builds right now. But I'll take a look. Always looking for something cool
If you miss with the first three shots give up the gun and they can use the fourth on you. 😳
Oh I wouldn't carry this. We have the luxury of affordable, dependable and practical tools for self-defense and still have the luxury of novelties like this. Still, better to know how to make something, before you need it.
Ничего не понял из сказанного, потому что не знаю английский, но не понравилось плохое освещение. У вас все настолько плохо, что экономите на электричестве?
I have a LOT of LED lights in the shop. Cameras have a hard time dealing with the light. Like almost all black parts with a very white bench top background. Or freshly machined parts. Maybe a new camera will help.
Home made gun 😊
Homemade Guns are the best guns !
@@jimafcarbon4433, where is this ?
@@firasleman320 US of course. Excalibur sells the kits.
Маючи бажання треба робити більш технологічне, ваша зброя навигляд дитяча, але відповідальність за неї по закону як за справжню зброю, тому вже робить повноцінний револьвер або пістоль з магазином в рукояті, це порада а ні як якась образа, удачі в розробках.
This model comes from the "Practical Scrap Metal Small Arms" series of designs intended to be Homemade with basic tooling. In this regard, being simple and basic is highly desirable.
Цей проект -- для розваги. Справжню зброю там отримати значно простіше, аніж отак виготовити/переробити.
Але нам слід звернути увагу на ідею;-)
Слід розрізняти бажання мати зброю і бажання ту ж зброю змайструвати -- занадто різні підходи.
Please share file help me
Search for "Practical Scrap Metal Small Arms vol 7" this is Model 1. Excalibur sells the kits.
@@jimafcarbon4433 i see ! But can you made 1 file cad send me
@@thanhtiger6913 I don't do and 3d modeling like CAD. These "DIY" for me are all one off. One might resemble the next, but certainly not exact copies. Other than 3d printers, I only have manual metal working machines.
@@jimafcarbon4433 ok can you send me manual
The plans are basically just the pictures. Terrible, but simple. Designed to be easily homemade with basic tools and limited experience.
Hey, Cobray or PSMSA stuff like this is pretty lousy. If you want to machine a cylinder and connect it to something a little more substantial, permit me to recommend the Pietta 1851 Navy Yank Pepperbox Black Powder Revolver - .36 Caliber. Just google that phrase. Mechanically it might be a lot more satisfying than these DIY things. Just FYI
You're not wrong. But I acquired a few of these kits. I couldn't let them sit and couldn't bring myself to sell em. So many other projects waiting still.
@@jimafcarbon4433 Whatever you do, I hope you enjoy it. And I appreciate your making a video like this. Thank you.
I am definitely very familiar with the "well this is a piece of crap but I already have it so I might as well use it" theory
@@mr.zafner8295 I only hope to inspire others. They gotta start somewhere. I hate that zip guns are so popular. I'd rather be making better stuff. But whatever gets them interested!
@@jimafcarbon4433 bravo!
Ого
👁❤️🔫
complicated!
It's a very simple gun. But yeah, it gets complicated quickly.
Why chamber a one inch barrel for .22Mag? Why not chamber for .22LR and have a little more barrel to build more pressure? IMHO You're wasting .22Mag rounds and spitting fireballs.
You're not wrong. It's already 22lr. I just wanted to make it 22wmr too. The gun is nothing more than a novelty anyway.
@@jimafcarbon4433Yeah, true it's just for fun. I did a few amateur gunsmithing projects many years ago but from the practical side of things, Sorry to be pedantic but wouldn't you get some blow-by using .22LR? Still wouldn't matter though with such a short barrel.
@Tomken8d2 oh, no, the 22lr is a separate cylinder totally. It's a terrible design overall for anything practical. It was designed to be easily homemade with basic tools and limited skills. I just can't leave well enough alone. Here's a few more Model 1's
ua-cam.com/video/MBIF-PGMays/v-deo.html
@@jimafcarbon4433Yep, fun is for fun. Applying it for anything more is dangerous. Do you have a plasma rifle in 22Kw range?
@@Tomken8d2 no, but close I recently bought a new cap and ball revolver.
вот .и под револьвер можно.ua-cam.com/video/-dgbItJiBPE/v-deo.htmlsi=w4BqUa_EnhdPZCyE
Boom !
@@jimafcarbon4433 револьвер. в рф нельзя .он после взвода на предохранители .потом самовзвод.
tim pool
@davidj9729 What about him?
@@jimafcarbon4433 hes running good journalists, i like your taste in sources of data. (subscribed) if you like shock jocs try salty as in THE cracker (code, it would be hampered otherwise)
My government probably thinks I am making one.
No
If my government doesn't think I am, they're not doing a very good job.
@@jimafcarbon4433 that's the spirit! Well I am in Australia and they really worry over crap.
I can't even if I wanted to.
@nicktrueman224 the countries with the worst restrictions on firearms are the ones who make the best improvised weapons!
@@jimafcarbon4433 yes :)
@@jimafcarbon4433 yes :)
С таким оружием, можно и Техас отбить.
One would think. Although, here in the US, we have the luxury of owning novelty weapons in addition to our functional and practical weapons.
Техас это штат, стан, страна. США это федерация и у штата свой закон, суд, полиция, национальная гвардия, правительство, и глава. И всё это они сами выбираю и назначают. Это то же самое что Франция, Испания в ЕС. И это не колониальная империя Россия где федерация только название.
У кого?😅
@@user-ex3ik9pn7l у техаса.
would you sell me the cylinder, only the cylinder with the thread but without rifling? I would you pay enough. 22 wmr
Хорошо жить где нибудь в Техасе.... СВОБОДНЫЙ ШТАТ ! У нас в России , за такое ,, художество,, могут посадить И НАДОЛГО .... Боятся у нас очень вооруженных людей. Даже за воздушки уже стали привлекать ! Скоро за рогатку будут садить в тюрьму !Завидую. Молча завидую ! Белой завистью ! Охотнику , чтобы продлить разрешение на оружие , нужно пройти семь кругов АДА ! Психологи, психиатр, нарколог, а до этого с тебя выжмут все соки со сбором бумаг. За одну медкомиссию отдашь столько, что и оружия не захочешь иметь ! :(((
I do not envy those in less free countries. However, the countries with the worst restrictions on firearms are the ones who make the best improvised weapons!
@@jimafcarbon4433Россия производит самый надёжный и самый распространённый в мире автомат Калашникова, но для граждан доступным "оружием" остаётся только рогатка и кухонный нож. Даже если вы прошли все сложности и получили разрешение на преобретение охотничьего оружия, его у вас могут отобрать если вы нарушили правила дорожного движения и вовремя не оплатили штраф.
@@jimafcarbon4433 Рад за тебя. Приглашай в гости :) Помогу защитить тебя, твой дом , твою женщину от мигрантов !:)
I welcome any and all legal migrants who wish to make a better life and be a valuable contribution to society. This country was built by those people. You are welcome to deal with those who are only looking for handouts, or worse. There are plenty of those.
@@jimafcarbon4433 точно подмечено.
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Basically. I think I'll just make a whole new gun for this cylinder. With better chamber/breech support.
Нахуя я это смотрю??
Because you like Homemade guns? Doesn't everyone?
And now that you've seen Homemade Guns, you want to build one too!
Наверно от хорошей жизни!
A good life would have lots of guns!
👎👎👎👎
Yeah, I'll get it working better... too many other projects
A la base, surement un lance fusée ?!
No, it was originally a 6 shot 22lr
@@jimafcarbon4433 firme Derringer ? prototype ?
@mail9353 search for Professor Parabellum's Practical Scrap Metal Small Arms vol 7. This is a Model 1. Excalibur still sells the kits. Lee Tool And Macine sells the frame plates. Still a bit of DIY involved to complete. But an easy way to get into building.
@@jimafcarbon4433 thank you very much, I found the tutorial, salutations de Paris en France
@@mail9353 they are fun builds, but I don't think your laws permit home builds.