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747 Slams Engine on Landing
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- Опубліковано 20 тра 2023
- Pilots can have bad days but this pilot's bad day was recorded where they damage the engines.
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I love how you point out errors without being judgmental or trashing other pilots. You’re a class act, my friend! ❤
Yepp best thing is to learn from stuff like this. Pointing fingers, shaming etc helps nobody
That's one of the reasons I subscribe and watch regularly, his explanations are very fair and constructive. And he does a great job of explaining this stuff in a manner that people without much experience or exposure to aviation nerdery can. understand, which is kinda hard to find here on YT.
I came here to say the same thing - fair and gentle assessments.
Beat me to it!
I notice he almost always mentions when he has made a similar mistake.
Never ceases to amaze me how well those planes are engineered. All that weight and slamming down, with heavy pods on long wings too, and it just shrugs it off for the most part.
It's years upon years of learning from failure. Some fatal, some not so much. It's actually really interesting to learn about previous incidents and crashes and how they affected how planes developed. Not even just the planes, procedures and even the airports themselves. It's also interesting to learn how in depth the investigations get to ensure they know for a fact what the real problem was as well as comforting to know that most are caused by a chain of events and not a single point of failure. Even a cargo door falling off because the hinge design was faulty and allowed it to close fully without properly engaging with the latch only became a problem after a long time because an airline with questionable procedures let too many things slip. Anywhere else would have caught it and fixed it before it ever became a problem. It also won't happen again because they have a way to detect if the door is sealed properly.
The plane probably has to be gone over with a fine-toothed comb after this, checking to make sure everything's OK to fly, especially in this case the landing gear and engines (could have sucked in debris during the pod strike). But the plane will likely go back in the air eventually.
Definitely some damage to tires or suspension id imagine....
@@Atelierwanwan crazy how many times it's usually not even a pilot, plane, or airport problem, but a problem within the companies' management
One of these pilots observed that they torture test planes during development.
Honestly, there are quite a few channels hosted by commercial pilots. Yours is just different - succinct, educational, practical, informative, humerus at the right dose. Thank you and keep up the good work!
Humerus? You mean humorous?
@@ranonampangom2185Humus, he has a cooking channel too.
Captain Joe at it again with this one
Thought the same thing 😂
I didn’t get you.. can you explain…?
Yes I was thinking that, nothing on his UA-cam videos about this.
Must be a bad month for him pod strike and losing part of the landing gear in one month😂
@@RAXITH_playz The guy from the Captain Joe channel flies for cargolux
IMPORTANT UPDATE": The investigating authority found the aircraft was 68ft above ground on its first approach, and 5s from landing, when a shift in wind led to a 7kt decline in airspeed over the course of the next 2s.This was then followed by a 19kt airspeed increase before touchdown. They concluded nothing the pilots could have done.
How did they find that out, down to the seconds?
@@ranonampangom2185 With a pretty solid pod strike, both the cockpit voice recorder and most importantly the Flight Data Recorder would have been pulled and analyzed. The instruments - airspeed indicator, angle of attack indicator, turn and slip indicator - would have shown those wind shifts very clearly.
@@ranonampangom2185"technology"
9:39 "just in case my boss is watching, I havent done that"
Imagine boss' reaction hearing this
Imagine previous boss hearing that
Next boss will scan the internet for such records before hiring
I always love how you sometimes admit you have made these same mistakes,Kelsey.This shows you do not look down or frown upon those who make mistakes,which makes you totally humble & honest.Respect!!!💜👏👏👏
Kelsey really helps me appreciate the nuance of these landings. I hope potential aviators are paying attention.
As a former ARFF I’ve seen pilots intentionally do what the second plane does because of a faulty nose gear light. We don’t see enough of the field in the video to know if there were ARFF units on the field.
you are right! we have had similar incidents based on cockpit faulty indication.
IDK what ARFF is but I was a fan of the tv show ALF back in the day and I could see ALF doing that.
@@jasonjenkins-ferris ARFF stands for aircraft rescue and firefighting. We were the ones dealing with burning jet fuel. Alf got his name from Alien Life Form. So yep, pretty much the same thing.😂😂😂
@@deadfirefighter thanks for clarifying... and glad you took the joke well lol.
This is a good point. It's a stupid thing to do under normal circumstances for the reasons Kelsey described, but it is sometimes needed either due to real damage to the nose gear (such as those A320s that kept having the nose gear turn sideways during flight several years ago) or a faulty indication that the nose gear isn't locked. When it's a real problem with the nose gear, once it does touch down, a whole lot of energy gets dissipated very quickly in a very exciting fashion. Additionally, contrary to the normal case that Kelsey was describing, getting the nose gear down when it's damaged can result in much less directional control rather than more. And, in the case of many propeller-driven planes, there is the additional concern of prop strikes if the nose gear fails. Turbofan aircraft with wing-mounted engines with low ground clearance (like the 737) also run the risk of dragging an engine pod on the ground as they skid down the runway, which makes directional control even worse, in addition to the obvious problem of damaging the engine pods and/or engines.
The landing in the second clip is a Fly Pro Cargo 747-281(sf) (747-200 “Special Freighter” converted freighter, originally with ANA), registration ER-BAT. The video was recorded at Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.
Fly Pro Cargo is a Moldavian carrier. On the original video a comment jokes that the pilot learned to fly on Russian IL-76s, where aerodynamic braking was standard practice.
Kelsey tends to be informative, educative and funny at the same time. Great stuff indeed as always 😊
He should be one of those trainer captains. So much experience, and so much comprehension from that experience.
In addition to the objective, educational and humorous analysis the inserted charts and animations are becomming better from video to video. This makes it very easy for a layman like me to follow and understand. Great and high professional work and a pleasure to watch. Thank you, Kelsey
Thank you! Enjoy the videos.
@@MohajStudio You're doing an amazing job on these videos! Keep up the great work!
@@hamsterama Thank you!
The animation is great but I think the trajectory of the plane should be opposite (it should start to steer to left (from the plane view).
@@marekvojta9648 Too bad the windsock isn't in the picture, then Kelsey could add that piece of information into the logic of the flare.
Not a pilot but love flying. I had not considered the reverse thrust issue with the nose up previously. Thanks for the education.
You can see at the end of the video, that the pilot showing off his aerodynamic breaking skills was in fact working over the rudder pretty hard. Great explanation Capt K.
Braking
@@player1GR I bet you got a chubby at the opportunity to point out something so insignificant.
@@PasleyAviationPhotography There is virtually no situation in which the difference between _breaking_ and _braking_ is "insignificant". It helps a great bunch to use the correct word :)
@@friedrichrubinstein2346 Breaking occurs when braking fails! :D
@@immrsv That's very true, haha!
Glad you found someone to help with the production. Those animations are great and pair well with Your humble and knowledgeable explanation. Keep up the good work.
Thank you! Enjoy the videos.
When I was stationed in California, back in the early 70s, the C-141s had a All Weather Landing System. It would automatically land the aircraft in zero visibility if necessary. It basically programmed the autopilot to land ten feet below the runway. The landings were very hard, since there was no flairing involved. It just basically drove the aircraft into the runway.
Government hardware
YES!! I remember seeing that happen at one of our bases we were at in the 90s. We were still kind of green and I asked the General..."Is that normal, sir?" "Yep, and plan on that plane being on the ground for a few days..." He was right. Blew out two tires!
@@TheoSmith249
Better than the plane becoming software after a crash.
Wonder how the B-52s do, with those extremely wide wings. But their air fields aren't average.
It actually requires a greater knowledge of your own aircraft systems to set up an autoland approach than it does to haul your machine down a manual approach. Most freight-only companies don't have a spy in the cab that'll report back to the company an unstable approach.
Was hoping you'd do the Cargolux B744 emergency landing in Luxembourg this week where they lost a main gear. It seems to fit today's theme.
Well, first there has to be footage of it and somebody put it on internet second. Is there?
Juan Browne did a full video of that on the @blancolirio channel.
@@gordonrichardson2972thanks I’ll go check it out
@Dirk van den Berg There is footage of the above-mentioned incident, and you can easily find it online.
He's also a working pilot and crams in these videos when he can.
One incident at the airport in Luxemburg wasn‘t enough so they added 2 more in the following weeks.
1. landing broke off when touching down and was flying across the runway, the airport was subsequently shut down for a few hours to repair the damages.
2. another landing gear issue this Saturday, apparently pilots made a mayday call and were doing a low pass of the aiport so they could check if the landing gear was down.
The first incident is what I was hoping Kelsey would cover a seeing Cargolux in the thumbnail! Landing gear departing a plane is always impressive.
The landinggear issue was resolved when the groundsmen and towerobservers during a flyover noticed the landinggear had fully extended despite a warning in the cockpit it wasn't. Probably either faulty sensor or indicator, so the landing proceeded without any problems, but with firetrucks on standby.
@@av_oid next week
@@Dirk-van-den-Berg still "funny" that I never heard of any incidents and then they had like 3 in such a short time span
Captain Joe?
Did you see the Cargolux 74 the other day that couldn't retract its gear. It circled dumping fuel. When it touched down, nice landing, the right inner main gear bogie departed the leg damaging the plane body. The bit that shocked/amazed me was the way the bogie bounced and rolled down the runway, scary stuff when you think of the size of it.
the broken off landing gear actually ended up just in front of the maintenance hangar, where it would have been taken care off anyhow!
@@ipadista Maintenance Personnel "Well that will save us 20 minutes..."😂
@@hsbvt Alway an "upside".
Note that the airplane in the second clip has no livery. So, there is a chance this was a test / shakedown flight and the maneuver was deliberate.
Sometimes they have nose gear failures and keep it off the ground as long as possible. But your idea is more plausible.
No windows on the main deck either
I'm sure you're right but I wonder why they'd do it at that airport in the middle of a busy city.
Many cargo planes do not have livery.
Hardly. The white livery in the second 747 is on a 747-200F, the freighter. Several sites mention that the white livery is primarily to save the cost of a paintjob, which adds more weight and requires more fuel. This is a so-called Eurowhite livery, you see the marking of the registration near the back door. Can't read it though.
That second landing looked fine to me, I never would have known how potentially dangerous that was as a bystander who knows nothing about planes or piloting. Great video👍
Yeah, holding the nose off like that on an airliner is a terrible idea, except in the very rare case that it's needed due to an emergency situation. If there's a known or suspected problem with the nose gear, though, then they do this intentionally in order to minimize the chance of the nose gear collapsing and/or to minimize the damage if/when it does. For example, if you look up the video of the JetBlue A320 where the nose gear malfunctioned and the wheels deflected 90 degrees in flight, you'll see them hold it off for a long time to minimize the damage and potential loss of control when it did hit the pavement.
Sometimes pilots do it just to show off, though, and that's stupid and dangerous for the reasons Kelsey described.
Rudder authority is something a lot of non aviation folks don't understand. People ask over and over why we didn't choose to replace the 8 engines on the B-52H with 4 for our current engine replacement program. One of the biggest reasons was the aircraft's small amount of rudder authority during takeoff. Losing 1 of 4 engines, especially one of the outboards, could be catastrophic. Both the G and H models have smaller vertical fins and thus rudders than the earlier models. Losing 1 of 8 engines isn't nearly as bad.
Is augmenting the rudder by replacing either the whole assembly, or making a horizontally extended rudder flap out of the question?
@@myne00 at that point its better to design new airframe
@@myne00 they probably looked at that but given how old the plane is its not worth it
@@myne00 Yes. Besides that, it would involve way more structural changes to the engine pylons and the wings, and larger engines hanging closer to the ground pose other problems - clearance and FOD become issues. Major changes would also have to be made to the AC power and hydraulic systems since those are engine-driven systems.
@@FlightX101 She's gonna be flying for another 30 years. We're also installing a new radar and some additional comm systems.
Whoever is doing your editing, is killing it
Thank you! Enjoy the videos.
@@MohajStudio Is the static promo image for this video the actual Cargolux pod strike of that landing OR of another Cargolux pod strike OR your professional skill?
@@davidpalmer9780 It is a still from the actual pod strike video that was later upscaled and sharpened using AI. But I'm not the one who made it.
One thing you missed out is that the Luxembourg ELLX 06 runway where the incident took place is in an upslope and you will slam into it if not adjusted for the optical illusion along with a steeper hold-off.
Although it's Cargolux home base so you would think all of the pilots are aware of it.
The runway dips in the middle. I’ve flown there for years before moving back to America
Good commentary and explanations, someone give this man a raise...
Have you ever had a pilot contact you after a video saying “that was me”?
Would be interesting to hear what happened in some of these situations, from the ones involved
It was me, I forgot to pump the tires up. My bad.
That happened to Stefan Drury down Under. He (SR22) was coming in to Melbourne & another plane (737?) was also on the approach so he had to maneuver and break off the approach to get out of the way. He posted a video feeling bad about the incident & the other pilot contacted him & even got on video with him to discuss how it happened. Miscommunication between the two planes & Tower i believe. But this summary was entirely off memory. I believe the video is titled "My Air Traffic Incident".
Thanks for the explanation of what is a minor mistake vs. a serious risky choice of landing technique.
Thank you Kelsey. You are modest and not self aggrandizing.
Could you consider somehow convincing a pilot in this or another video to join you for an interview/discussion while you two together review a landing, etc?
Mentour pilot! They both fly Boeing (though Mentour flies a 737) but he’s super knowledgeable and very likable.
Thanks for taking the time to make a great series of videos. My flight experience over the past 70+ years has been strictly as a passenger in large commercial planes. I have learned a great deal about the many nuances of flight from your channel! Well done!
any landing you can completely destroy the undercarriage is a good landing, said no 74 pilot ever 🤣 another great video Capt. K. Thanks for sharing. Cheers Rob
He isnt a Capt. He is a FO
@@TheUnforgiven69 hes a Capt, in my world 🤣
@@yrunaked4 Yeah, like Captain Joe, he too is a FO. So far it’s only Mentour who’s has 4 stripes of a Captain.
Anyway, as Captain Joe says being Captain is a matter of Seniority in the Company your working, not your no. of years of experience or skill. For example Joe was flying an FO for Air Berlin on an Airbus A320 for 8 years. If he reached his 10th year on company, he would be Captain. Unfortunately, Air Berlin gone bankrupt and closed down. Joe then moves to CargoLux starting back as zero years on the new Company, plus he has re-train and re-certified to fly a Boing 747 cargo, so it’ll take him a couple more years to be Captain. (Of course there are exceptions, like if many Captains retired or many more planes of the same type came in to use, the company will fast-track some experienced FO to be Captain. That’s why budget Airline like Ryanair have Captains with only a few years experience, because they lack the manpower to fly their many planes.)
@@inisipisTV thanks for the great explanation 😃
@@TheUnforgiven69 Kelsey's captain of the 74 crew! Seriously, he said he's Cruise Relief captain so...half a real captain. 😂
@12:50 I have had that happen in a 727 (broken thrust reverser that is). We exited the runway immediately! It was rather exciting. We ended up evacuating the plane and had to find our way back to the runway in the dark.
I used to travel a lot and one flight the pilot said she did not have indication that the nose gear was locked so we did a fly by so the tower could take photos. Then when we landed she held the nos up for a long time, much like the second plane in your video. I as glad she did. It was the smoothest landing I ever experienced. I was impressed with her skills.
Wonder if a 360 camera could be put on the bottom of the planes.
@@JimMorksure but that wouldnt tell you if the gear was locked, only if It was down.
Thank you Kelsey for another awesome AWESOME VIDEO 🎊 🎉
I absolutely love watching your channel.
You have a way of explaining things in a simple manner that helps those of us who are not pilots.
Blessing’s, Carlos ✝️🙏❤️😊❗️
I was impressed in the second part. It was so kind of the pilots to honk the horn to announce their arrival.
Thank you for the great content every Sunday just had a fun Aviation conversation with an old time Barnstormer
Great Video and love the anmations you put in.
Just one minor thing: at 12:40 i feel like the arrows point in the opposite direction, at least for me and when you treet them as indicators for force ;)
Edit: now i understand it, your showing the air being pushed instead of the force that it puts on the engine
I was confused at first too. Thanks for the clarification.
Very excellent pilot. He actually explains how to become a high level pilot.
I was a passenger flying in to St Thomas USVI and there was substantial wind and the plane was bouncing all over. The pilot put it on the runway HARD. Every overhead popped open but we were all glad to be on the ground.
Hard on the runway is actually way better than some alternatives.
Me, not a pilot, am enjoying your videos a lot.
Cargolux had 3 emergency landings at Luxembourg airport in about a month time. Would it be possible to do a video about what's happening? Is this just a coincidence?
Yes.
Provided the plane spotters get good video. All these critiques go back to someone making useful video.
Great video as always Kelsey. I have an additional issue with the second video that you didn't hit on. I was working Maintenance Control at the time, We had a 767 crew that would float the nose after main gear touched down, and they wouldn't be able to pull the T/R past idle. If I'm recalling correctly, the cause was a logic circuit that was looking for the nose gear to be on the ground before a particular amount of time had passed, before allowing the engines to spool up reverse thrust.
I always love hearing you speak of flying. I come from a flying family. My father learn to fly 18 or 17 and then went off to be with a flying tigers in Southeast Asia Macau and then over to India I learned to fly at 16 and loved my training and am proud of my accomplishment.
Do you think the second video was a demonstration of some sort? I fly a citation and on a long runway I was showing a newly typed pilot the proper landing technique vs the GA way of holding the nose off.
DAM! Thats a pricey f,up.
That must have overstressed the aircraft. If it didn't, I would be extremely surprised.
At the very least, diminished the service life of the structure. If this wasn't unavoidable, thats a sad testimony to unprofessionalism. To have the opportunity to operate such a magnificent piece of engineering demands utmost respect.
Awesome channel Captain, thanks for sharing.
Having the honesty and humility to admit your own mistakes is a sign of integrity. 👍👍
Holy crap, 1 millions subs! Congrats Kelsey..as someone who has been subbed for a few years now, excited to see the channel growing!
The crowds love the work he does. And as a UA-cam binger myself, I can say his output is elite.
Very interesting video Kelsey. Great explanation.
It's still impressive to me that the 747 can take a hard landing like this and not collapse the gear or structure under their own massive weight.
Yeah, the main gear of transport-category jets are designed to take a significant beating.
Another video shows one off the landing gears completely detached
And such an old design, 55 or more years? Guess that guy who led the engineers knew something.
@@DK388 That was a different incident where the gear bogey broke off. That one was actually a good landing, just with a landing gear bogey that had broken on takeoff or in flight. They were not able to retract the gear due to that bogey being broken, so they returned to Luxembourg for an emergency landing. When the faulty bogey hit the ground, it broke completely off and went flying on its own. Thankfully, no one was in its path. Conveniently, the broken-off bogey ended up right in front of the Cargolux maintenance hangar. - haha
You, Sir, are refreshingly HONEST! Honest, experienced Pilots are a Godsent for younger Pilots to learn from! 👍
Oh Kelsey! So humble! "Give it time. I seem to make all the mistakes on my own!"
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One wonders (one does): How often are you recognized by your viewers when walking through airports or on the plane?
I think he mainly flies cargo so he wouldn't have a lot to do with passengers. You never see the pilots on the plane these days anyway
In another existence I’m a 747 pilot. I used to go sit at Heathrow when I was kid and spend hours watching big jets, I’ve always loved these machines.
Your professionalism, experience and knowledge come through clearly Kelsey. Your presentation and video explanations are always spot-on. This episode is particularly good, IMO. You've taken two nearly identical aircraft and analysed two, different landings on a technical basis and without judging, have explained your point so that we can understand it clearly. Thanks Kelsey - you're a true pro!
Cargolux Pilots: damn, are the plane spotters out?
Captain Joe was having a bad time with that landing
I was going to say...
You fool! Captain Joe is one of most outstanding pilots of the world. Do not talk badly of him.
@@damsom1431 learn to take a joke
Haha, my thoughts🫣🫡
@@mohiththiyagu6217 first, a joke must to be funny. and why make fun of Captain Joe? He does nothing to you!
Fancy: A top 5 characteristic I never want my pilot to have
Always so well explained, makes it easy for even a non-pilot to understand. And.. you or your editor have been stepping up the good explanation graphics. Always a thumbs up from me. 👍
Putting a heavy down ain’t easy 🤯🤬
Looking at the wingtip of the Cargolux 747, the aircraft appears to roll to starboard just before touchdown. It’s possible that a late correction from the pilot, combined with rebound off of the right side main gear, caused the pod strike
Where does the computer come into this? My impression is they write the limits of the plane into the software. Or is this all hand flying?
It's interesting to me that while I have absolutely zero interest in aviation I love watching these videos from Kelsey.
Me, not a pilot, thinking the danger would be the thrust reversers pointing at the ground if the nose is still up before actually looking up at the video and hearing the obvious actual risk. 🤦♀️ But hey at least I know what thrust reversers are? ☺️
This was a great one again, tysm. As long as you're enjoying making em and seems like you are.
Given how cheap and accessible cameras and network systems are, I'm actually a little surprised there isn't an automatic landing camera at all major airports. Not just for pilot review, but it would have been very useful in following up on several accidents on landings and takeoffs.
Like bodycams and dashcams. I'm surprised that I can easily use my phone to text and pilots don't send and receive texts (so I'm told).
Nice to see my country getting some coverage 🇱🇺
Hey Kelsey, on the second 747 video (that kept the nosewheel in the air), wasn't the crew coming in way too fast? They had to have a lot of momentum to keep the nose in the air so long, especially with the engines at idle, mains on the ground, and the reverser doors open. Did the captain do that to prevent heating up the brakes? Never saw a widebody aircraft float down the runway like that!
Keeping the nose up on a 747 is a relic from the past, before carbon brakes were introduced. Carbon brakes deteriorate very quickly if you don't heat them up properly on landing. You get more wear on carbon brakes by keeping the nose up. This has been mentioned in various Boeing bulletins.
I appreciate this channel and I share as a non-pilot the passion for aviation . Especially with the queen of the skies! My favorite plane!
For some reason your channel eases my phobia of flying ...going home from a family reunion tomorrow on an airplane and I can't sleep love your channel
Good morning to you Kelsey 👋🏻from Chicago😁 hope this day finds you well and happy, what's on the ticket BROTHER!?
KEEP THE BLUE SIDE UP 🛩🫡
Recently was on a flight where they introduced a new pilot to their company, he was a younger guy flying with clearly older experienced pilot, with a company exec on board as well. Flight was great except for the landing. He went nose first that was an experience.
LOVE the graphics you added in! Really adds to the explanation! Keep up the good work
This video made me look at pilots in a different light..... the have to make vital decisions within seconds is something amazing
Great video... again. Curious if you've ever done a breakdown of the breakdown of the movie Airport '75 where a 747 crew is incapacitated by a midair collision. Would love to hear your thoughts on what they got right and wrong.
YES I want airport 75 as well. Plus turbulence, also a 748.
747!
People have requested that movie before who knows when Kelsey will get around to it. People have requested _Pushing Tin_ and it's been a couple of years and we're still waiting for that one.
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Captain joe left the chat
"Give me time, i seem to make all the mistakes." K. this is what makes you so endearing. Given time, ALL of us are going to make all the mistakes, well, most of them.
I want to start by saying that I’ve never flown the 747 of any type, and likely never will. But I am a Commercial Pilot, CFIII, with over 10,570 logged flight hours, primarily in the business class industry of aviation. Right now I’m a Check Captain on the Bombardier Global 7500. The whole thing you said about holding the nose gear off the runway is counterintuitive from what I have experienced. If I was training a new pilot I’d train them the exact same way you said, get the nose wheel down before you start braking. But, a really good smooth airman would keep the “hold the nose wheel up to help braking” in his bag of tricks for certain conditions, rather than “being fancy” to help stop when certain conditions presents them self! Such as, aquaplaning on a wet runway, by doing that you are using the elevators to hold all the weight down on the main gear in conjunction with the spoilers. By doing this, using reverse thrust, spoilers and elevators to shift the weight on the main gear, which is the ONLY gear on every aircraft that has braking capability, so that the brakes are more efficient in getting the aircraft stopped, before the end of the runway. It wouldn’t matter that the rudder isn’t as effective, because the main gear is on the ground, and you can use the independent left and right braking on the rudder pedals to assist in keeping the noise straight, even if asymmetrical thrust is pulling you one way or the other, because all the weight is on the main gear, so you can brake and steer with the brakes very effectively! Also, it’s worth being said that it is only to be used when the aircraft is relatively light weight to use this trick when the aircraft would be more prone to aquaplaning anyhow. If you do it right, and stay in the reverse thrusters, while manually breaking, and start easing up on the brakes right before the elevator starts losing aerodynamic effectiveness, the noise wheel will set down nice and easy like. But like I said I’ve never flown the 74, so I’m not exactly sure how the braking/auto braking system works, nor how the independent braking works on the 74, but I’d imagine it’s set up about like the 7500 that I fly, because I seen the guy doing it in the 74 in this video.
Alexander, you have an awesome job. .....!!!!!
Should be Captain Joe 😂
old private pilot magazine cartoon: "we call him flipper, because he porpoises on every landing"
the other reason for making a habit of making "firm" landings is if you're looking to get a job with ryanair.
I like how you been adding more Graphics to your videos. Well done
Thank you! Enjoy the videos.
Wow, fantastic analysis from the perspective on a non-pilot but frequent traveller. One of the most interesting you've done IMO.
I thought, “any landing you can walk away from is a good landing” “any landing you can walk away from and use the aircraft again is a great landing” Did the rules change?
They changed round about the time airlines stated paying millions of dollars for the aircraft, would be my guess.
That adage was from Chuck Yeager, considered as greatest pilot, as seen in the movie “The Right Stuff". Being a WW2 multiple ace pilot and the test pilot that broke the sound barrier, survival of test pilot at that time is very very very low indeed. (In WW2 the biggest casualty percentage in the war are pilots)
Those were taxpayer funded government planes, corporate owned planes are rarely experimental and need to be ready to fly ASAP without repair to remain profitable to support pilots and other employees.
Kelsey you should teach Captain Joe how to land.
What why?
@@player1GR cuz Captain Joe is a Cargolux pilot and the plane in this video is Cargolux
@@aviationgaming1564 til that Cargolux has 30 planes but only 2 pilots
I know this is off topic, but funny how blank a plain white cargo plane looks.
Sorry Kelsey, I have to disagree about what would happen if you keep the nose up. I have taught this to many pilots, including some airline pilots who wrongly believed that the nose would suddenly drop, if you continue to pull back and hold back pressure until the horizontal stabilizer loses lift. The speed is decreasing slowly, and therefore, so does the lift. The nose will set it's self down very slowly, as the lift slowly decreases, (just like it does in the video), and, it does it at the last possible moment. It's EXACTLY how you want to land if you have a failure of the nose gear. And, it requires no extraordinary effort. You simply wait on it, and it happens all by it's self. Those who disagree need to try it, before you prove to me you failed to do it, and learn an important technique.
I hope this wasn’t Joe 😐
Nice t'see you, Kelsey! Your new format is working out very well. We get to see whole other side fo you, plus we get to witness things we otherwise never would. Best to you!
This pilot can turn a 2 minute story into a 20 minute story, effortlessly.
I am in in Aviation maintenance school and when I see one of these videos all I think how expensive will it be to repair.
I don't know when the transition happened, but in the 80s/90s it was the normal to slow down by keeping the nose up for a long time. I was always curious why the change happened. That makes a lot of sense, thank you.
I still like to use differential braking when the rudder becomes ineffective even while the nose wheel is still settling down.! Then again I am not a heavy. Love the show 74, steady as she goes.!
Cargolux pilot: "That was bad...at least nobody probably saw it..."
Internet: "Ummmmm...."
Looked like he was practicing his soft field landings 😂 he kept that nose up there pretty good 😂😅
Great video. One thing that should be noted is, while the second plane indeed could encounter dangerous direction loss as you described, in certain situations that landing is needed. One time at work, we had a plane that alerted us they may need emergency personnel upon landing bexause the pressure warning in the nose gear tires was triggering. So they landed snd held the nose as long as they could to ensure it touched down as gentle as possible in case the tires were compromised. Was a owefect landing and the tires were indeed low pressure due to im guessing running over FOD upon takeoff but still had about 20psi in it.
Wow. Before the ads started playing, biplanes were all the rage. I was amazed to see how far we came in just 50 years of UA-cam ads.
hey there...did not watch your channel for a while....i am so happy you went over 1million....you deserve it!!! so happy for you!!!!
The second pilot just wanted to pop a wheelie like we did as kids on our bikes
Cargolux is on a roll with landings lately
These are really great videos with full explanation on aviation incidents. Thanks a lot, keep your work at full pace; and good luck for future videos!
Very nice illustrations. It's getting better and better. Nice video 👍
I remember you mentioning in another video why keeping the nose up like that after landing is not wise but the explanation in this video is much more detailed. I bit of embarrassment came over me because back in the FSX days I would do the same thing with the 744. It's dangerous but it looks cool and especially on the queen, intimidating also.
Chuck G, a buddy of mine who used to fly DC-10s in and out of Guam would tell stories of hitting the runway so hard due to wind shear, that almost every oxygen mask would fall into the passenger cabin. But because the DC-10 was so incredibly tough, it could withstand that sort of landing again, and again, and again...
I asked him what they did when he had that kind of landing. He said they'd close the cockpit door, and be the last people off the plane. And then they'd have a good look at the undercarriage.
He'd tell these stories as we waited for thermal activity to build before we launched our paragliders from Coronet Peak.