As someone who was stuck riding a 21” but needed a 20.75 it may feel better in the air and ramps but on street it’s a world better riding a smaller frame if you aren’t 6’ or above
After watching this video, I think I need a bigger frame, I'm about 5'5 and I ride a 20.5 top tube but I feel so cramped for some reason. I've always felt like I needed a bigger frame but every website says 20.5 is what I need so I wasn't too sure, but after seeing matt do better on a bigger frame despite it not being his frame of choice, to me confirms I need a bigger frame.
@@emanthegman9511go for a 20.75 I have some homies who are closer to that height and that’s what they ride and like I wish I could recommend it but I’m 6’5 so it’s a 21” plus for me😂😂
@@emanthegman9511 the more you know right ?? watching this video and reading the comments I'm realizing why my 5'10" ass cant get the bars around on my 20.25" top tube bmx lol good excuse for a new frame I guess !!! big thanks to scotty and matty for this video and info haha
Chromoly frame,fork, and handlebar plus double-walled rims with sealed bearings in the hubs and 2 piece chromoly cranks for this price. Mongoose is doing it proper!
@@neonnerd1364 you can get frames with the front triangle Chromoly and the back end hi tensile steel a friend had one and bent the backend from ice pick stalls allways look at the specs of the frame before buy it
@neonnerd1364 not for this price nerd. (Jk only cause ur name u picked) A buddy paid 600 for a WTP that only had top tube and down tube 4130. The rest hi-ten and it snapped. Subrosa charges over 600, I think 675 for this type of complete. Cult charges almost 600 and single wall in the front as well. Kink and Sunday are the only ones that do bikes this cheap but they are single wall rims in front with non sealed bearings. My point being, mongoose is doing it properly for the price. You can't beat it
@@scottbradford4130 i’ve been riding Bmx since 1985. I used to work in the BMX Shop I’m 44 still riding Bmx now I’ve seen it evolve over the years and I’m not a nerd.
No surprise Matty's a beast, but it's good to see "they" are offering good quality bike for reasonable prices for entry level kids or adults that just want to go easy and try to relive the past.
I'd be interested to see what would happen if Matty tried tricks with the complete first. I wonder if Matty did another try on his custom if it would have been cleaner than his previous try. Regardless a great video and I am impressed with the complete!
21” TT and the uncut Bars, give you a more stable roomier and more comfortable feeling bike. It makes bar spins a little harder but everything else feel smoother. Also the big spongy tires help dampen the impact through the bars, however maybe just jump up to like a 2.2 tire and bigger frame. Really think Matt might look even more comfortable and smooth with that setup.
Every bmx should add 2" to top tube, subtract 2" from stem, and shorten rear end 2". Thank me after you start the first profitable bmx company in the 21st century.
I think the frame dimensions might have been better for him 🤔 maybe that frame suits him better. See if the mongoose team can hook him up with some options. Or try putting his bits on that frame to see if it feels like home. I'm interested to see if this gets followed up on and it'd be cool to see a video about the mongoose team making stuff 😀 proper legends
Especially with big jumps, a heavier bike gives you more controlle and makes things automatic smoother, but lighter bikes may give you more opportunities for more dynamic tricks. At least that‘s how it feels to me
The difference always being the parts package that comes on stock bikes. Usually cheaper hubs, wheels, unsealed bearings, partial Chromoly tubing instead of full in the frame, etc. You can for sure get a great stock bike nowadays especially depending on how much you want to dish out as alot you premium parts at added cost of course.
Part of the bias in this experiment is always using the same bike for the first attempt. The second attempt will always come with more confidence than the first, on any bike.
@@SteveVento-e1x it’s been really good to get me into BMX. I’ve got a custom build in the works now, but the comfy geometry of the L100 has worked fine while I’ve been learning what kind of riding I like.
yo scotty, just bought my first bmx bike today!!! been watching your channel religiously for 7 years! since i was like 12!! crazy man. was cool at the bike shop today, the guy who sold me the bmx bike also really digs your YT. Your impact on the BMX community is outstanding. Thanks for everything once again
I am a MTB’er and I have wanted to get into BMX a little, been thinking about the l100 but have been hesitant, at least now i know that when i do decide to pull the trigger i can be comfortable in knowing that it will suit me for my entry skill level.
12:51 i noticed he gets better rotation probably because the tires weigh more ... it probably lands nicer so there's less fatigue on impact too... 2lbs well distributed might balance out his own weight and height too
It seems all the styley riders run longer top tubes, bigger bars too. Matt definitely looked way steezier on the 21". I know once I started riding a longer front end, they kept getting longer, each new frame I got. Would of liked to see Matt crank a turndown or lookback over that hip on the L100.
I’ve been saying it for years that Matty has one of the prettiest flairs in the game. Which is why I always laugh when he and Scotty say he has trouble with them!
I'm 48 and 6'3 300lbs.... I love the stability of Mongoose. Always been a favorite of mine. Calm down people.... I'm loosing weight since riding again. LOL! Really like that Legion! Maybe in my future. Great video guys!
I think the reason is that if you do 3 tries on your own bike that is try 1-3 and then if you hop on a bike you're not used to it really is try 4 on a slightly different bike.
Got an L60 on sale for $141 on Amazon. It's pretty much the same as L100, but it's like 2 or 3 things differently. Like L100 has an all chromoly frame, forks, and bars and has double walled rims. The L60 only has chromoly bars and single walled rims. $141 is a steal for the L60.
Long tip tubes and short backends you spin so nicely. It’s smooth and steezy… Matty should get a 21.25 top tube bike and get the smallest possible rear end. This makes the back end twitchy for tech tricks but in the air it’s smooth. I have run that style frame as long as I can remember, they are so much more fun to ride. When you are over the back it’s twitchy and over the front it flows, so you can do all your tech stuff without issues but you don’t lose out on airs. Plus there is so much more room for tricks
i got my new mongoose L100 for 300 on amazon because it was last years color. but same rimes. tires. cranks. frame. mine listed for 500 but i paid 300 and it is the best trick bike i ever owned and i have owned many high end bikes.
For at least 6 years if not longer Marty’s been riding the same geometry. The C2 frame wizard frame and the la familia frame are really close in geometry. He broke out big on tall order probably from having a longer back end. He should prototype a trails style frame geo and see what happens
its top tube length, look at his feet when he misses his pedals on his bike after the whips, his feet naturally went to where the complete bike would be
my thoughts are the longer frame/ wheel base would allow the bike to swing better. More weight that gets thrown around. Heavier to get going but once in rotation it goes.
I would imagine that doing the trick on the custom right before doing it on the complete is some good practice and affects the results. Maybe next time try complete first. Still, it's incredible how good that complete is for the price, and only 2 pounds different! I wonder how different the long term reliability is
It’s like this for almost everything now. Like I play guitar and before you really had to spend money to get a good guitar but now days you can get some really really god stuff for cheap
id say getting the practice attempts on his bike prepared him for the L100 so maybe do another where he switches witch bike he uses first for each trick he does
I always thought Matty looks crowded on his normal bike not that it affects his ability! However, with that being said he looks more comfortable on the longer frame! I have done that plenty of times figured out what i thought i preferred actually didn’t work in my favor!
Best thing I ever did was pick up a bike for 500$ subrosa ,when I was 15 my first job 😅 I’m now 22 and the bikes still sitting in my garage! It’s a sick orange frame that I can’t seem to find when googling
BMX bikes came a long long way I still have my original bike when I was a kid a Haro Shredder and I tried to ride it a few days ago with my son and the whole time I was thinking, How did I ride this thing as a kid and do tricks on it. It's unbelievable how far BMX has come and the prices. If I remember I think my dad told me that my bike was around $800 - $900 at the time insane to what we have now.
I have an l100 that I’ve been riding for 2 years. Almost nothing on it is stock anymore. It’s a great bike. Bought it because I thought I could break it
Probably the slightly slacker headtube and longer chainstays were more stable for bigger tricks. Where as the shorter frame is good for street and tech tricks. The top tube length might have some effect but most likely the geo is the reason bigger tricks looked smoother
Great idea for a comparisson. And its always better to find the own way. Some Pros know what they need and customize it for their needs. I don't like the 100 PSI tires. So I know that it will be more comfort with less PSI. But I am far away from the shown skills. I am to old to learn that, but I love riding my BMXs. 20" is killer on all Pumptracks. Have good times riding bikes. All the best ❤
Bros got mad skills but still got the nerves. Only human! I love how he's questioning his BMX existence after landing everything easier on the new bike 😂 "I gotta talk to the design team" lol
Man as a rider in my younger days myself found the longer frame was always comfortable and easy to spin and move I had the Garry fisher special blue with clouds was the best thing I ever rode till got stolen
Looking at those specs, probably the best sub $500 bike ive ever seen. This video doesnt go into longevity tho. I dont expect those cranks to last long especially if youre a heavier rider (which for that size top tube you probably are taller/heavier) but that still a bargain at under $500. Cool video guys.
Possibly that the custom is all set up for how he’s become comfortable. But the complete was set up to what works better for him but he’s just never known (as far as bike geometry)
I'm 5'5 and ride a 20.5 top tube and i feel so cramped, but after watching this i think I'd do a lot better on bigger frame, maybe a 20.75 i think a 21 might be way too big for me.
You should really repeat the test but this time do it L200 the custom as the order to do each trick. For each trick the custom bike was probably just warming him up. Which probably makes more difference than slight geometry changes
I feel that he was rotating better because the tires on the complete had a bit of give to them if you watch when he rotated you can see them slightly fold acting like an elastic when he spins
I personally believe the difference between Custom and Complete is comfort and consistency, If something works well for you and allows you to be consistent at the trick skillset you have made for yourself, then why change it? But as far as a complete bike goes, that L100 suits Matty to the ground. If he ever needs a back up, he knows where to look.
I think Matty had more leverage on the complete because of it being longer. Maybe he should switch to a 21" top tube.. Also, I can't believe he runs 2.1" tires!?!!
I would argue the standover/seat tube height made a big difference for the whips and flairs. Looks like the custom has 9-9.5 inch standover. Legion looks way smaller, more park orientated 🤷♂️
Thanks for the info drop, brother. Great work putting this video together! Last year I got a Sunday blueprint for my 10yo grandson. His 8yo brother is now moving from an 18" to a 20" & I was able to get him the L80 for $280 new in box. There's only a 1/4" difference in top tube length with L80 being 20-3/4. I got myself a Crew cb275 to cruise around with them. It's murdered out. I'm thinking of adding purple alloy but unsure of brand for good quality without the pro-level price. I also want the color shades to match... as I remember shades can be way different between brands. Can you recommend some parts? Thanks, man! (I've been out of the scene for a long, long time. My brother, Johnny V & I were there when they built Sundowns BMX in El Paso in early 80's. Great memories. He's passed away now & want to add purple for a nod to him. I raced road for team Wounded Warrior Project for 8yrs. Now I cruise easy trails on a C'dale F4 Caffeine 29er hardtail. I'm glad grandson's want to pursue riding. Hoping to build great memories for them too.) ✌️😎
the custombike had frame geometry chosen by another rider, your arms and legs are unlikely to be the same dimensions. Looking forward to you having your own frame designed for you and seeing how that helps your riding.
weight of bike, length of frame, size of tires.... all of it plays a factor but he also did the trick on his real bike first and got a "feel" for the actual trick.
My first bike as an adult, after 20 years off of bikes was an L100. I updated the stem, but otherwise, it's been a dream. I'm really a mountain bike guy, but make sure to get on the 'goose at least a couple times a month.
Moral of the story: Matty coulda saved $1500!! LOL Seriously though, I appreciate this video. I plan to get back into BMX riding after 37 years (Yeah I'm old!) Last time I owned/rode my own BMX was back around 1986 or so when dinosaurs had just gone extinct. This video gives some reassurance that I don't need to spend too much to get something of decent quality for mainly just cruising around with my daughter, and to eventually give to her when she commits me to an old age home! 😉🤣
well..honestly there is nothing on paper that says a custom bike should or could be better than a built bike. Its like buying a bike and changing seats. The seat wont make you a better rider really lol..In most cases its the rider, not the bike..
Matty can do whatever he wants on a bike at the end of the day but it’s pretty clear that he’s a big air guy realistically which explains why a longer frame would actually be more conducive to his style.
As someone who was stuck riding a 21” but needed a 20.75 it may feel better in the air and ramps but on street it’s a world better riding a smaller frame if you aren’t 6’ or above. But also WOW that second switch whip on the stock bike was perfect, maybe he does need to go up to 21”😂
I remember a few times where I could land a trick on a friend's bike but not on mine. Some set-ups just make certain tricks a bit easier to land. So if you are struggling on a trick next time try it on someone else's bike and see what changes!
Just because it’s what he wanted doesn’t mean it’s what best suits his style
As someone who was stuck riding a 21” but needed a 20.75 it may feel better in the air and ramps but on street it’s a world better riding a smaller frame if you aren’t 6’ or above
After watching this video, I think I need a bigger frame, I'm about 5'5 and I ride a 20.5 top tube but I feel so cramped for some reason.
I've always felt like I needed a bigger frame but every website says 20.5 is what I need so I wasn't too sure, but after seeing matt do better on a bigger frame despite it not being his frame of choice, to me confirms I need a bigger frame.
Couldn’t have said it better brother😊
@@emanthegman9511go for a 20.75 I have some homies who are closer to that height and that’s what they ride and like I wish I could recommend it but I’m 6’5 so it’s a 21” plus for me😂😂
@@emanthegman9511 the more you know right ?? watching this video and reading the comments I'm realizing why my 5'10" ass cant get the bars around on my 20.25" top tube bmx lol good excuse for a new frame I guess !!! big thanks to scotty and matty for this video and info haha
Chromoly frame,fork, and handlebar plus double-walled rims with sealed bearings in the hubs and 2 piece chromoly cranks for this price. Mongoose is doing it proper!
This is all standard on every bmx bike. Some frames are high tensile steel but just about anything you buy will be chromoly.
@@neonnerd1364 you can get frames with the front triangle Chromoly and the back end hi tensile steel a friend had one and bent the backend from ice pick stalls allways look at the specs of the frame before buy it
@neonnerd1364 not for this price nerd. (Jk only cause ur name u picked) A buddy paid 600 for a WTP that only had top tube and down tube 4130. The rest hi-ten and it snapped. Subrosa charges over 600, I think 675 for this type of complete. Cult charges almost 600 and single wall in the front as well. Kink and Sunday are the only ones that do bikes this cheap but they are single wall rims in front with non sealed bearings. My point being, mongoose is doing it properly for the price. You can't beat it
@@scottbradford4130 i’ve been riding Bmx since 1985. I used to work in the BMX Shop I’m 44 still riding Bmx now I’ve seen it evolve over the years and I’m not a nerd.
@pauljames4510 lol wasn't talking to you dude. Notice the username in front of the reply
It'd be cool to see Matty ride the L100 more to see how it holds up to aggressive riding over time. Maybe trim the bars to make it more homey.
This would be excellent to see
Good point. Stress test that thing
Yes, stress it without intentionally destroying it.
kinda wild how legit entry level bikes are now
i’m glad you guys made this video i’ve always wanted to see a complete bmx vs a custom bmx
No surprise Matty's a beast, but it's good to see "they" are offering good quality bike for reasonable prices for entry level kids or adults that just want to go easy and try to relive the past.
I'd be interested to see what would happen if Matty tried tricks with the complete first. I wonder if Matty did another try on his custom if it would have been cleaner than his previous try. Regardless a great video and I am impressed with the complete!
i believe so he already landed the trick before switching bikes but regardless dude has skill and theyre great bikes
that would only be fair if he got a week or so to get used to that complete
21” TT and the uncut Bars, give you a more stable roomier and more comfortable feeling bike.
It makes bar spins a little harder but everything else feel smoother.
Also the big spongy tires help dampen the impact through the bars, however maybe just jump up to like a 2.2 tire and bigger frame. Really think Matt might look even more comfortable and smooth with that setup.
I did the same change on my Kink Whip XL, changed the tires for Eclat Mirages and it made a world of difference
The pop on that flair on the L100 was insane, I feel like he could flair smaller quarters on that bike
Maybe the longer top tube is better for Matty? looks well proportioned on him
Every bmx should add 2" to top tube, subtract 2" from stem, and shorten rear end 2". Thank me after you start the first profitable bmx company in the 21st century.
Honestly I think I need a bigger frame too, I've always felt cramped on my current frame
I think the frame dimensions might have been better for him 🤔 maybe that frame suits him better. See if the mongoose team can hook him up with some options. Or try putting his bits on that frame to see if it feels like home. I'm interested to see if this gets followed up on and it'd be cool to see a video about the mongoose team making stuff 😀 proper legends
The weight in itself helps the rotation.. It's an even match to his tech riding.. sometimes lighter is not better..
Especially with big jumps, a heavier bike gives you more controlle and makes things automatic smoother, but lighter bikes may give you more opportunities for more dynamic tricks. At least that‘s how it feels to me
The difference always being the parts package that comes on stock bikes. Usually cheaper hubs, wheels, unsealed bearings, partial Chromoly tubing instead of full in the frame, etc. You can for sure get a great stock bike nowadays especially depending on how much you want to dish out as alot you premium parts at added cost of course.
Part of the bias in this experiment is always using the same bike for the first attempt. The second attempt will always come with more confidence than the first, on any bike.
Yes exactly. He needs to alternate which bike he tries the trick with first to have any chance of gaining any insight.
I love my L100! Matty switching to Mongoose is what sold me on getting it, besides the price.
yea, im going for the Goose also, loved them in the 80's why not now to 35 years later, roll on dude!
I’ve got the L500 and a few full blown customs (Sunday and Fit) and the goose for the money is super solid. It’s the best deal in BMX completes.
@@SteveVento-e1x it’s been really good to get me into BMX. I’ve got a custom build in the works now, but the comfy geometry of the L100 has worked fine while I’ve been learning what kind of riding I like.
I reckon matty is liking the feeling of the little bit more headtube angle. It's a great feeling for flowy riders.
yo scotty, just bought my first bmx bike today!!! been watching your channel religiously for 7 years! since i was like 12!! crazy man. was cool at the bike shop today, the guy who sold me the bmx bike also really digs your YT.
Your impact on the BMX community is outstanding. Thanks for everything once again
looks like matty needs a longer tt
I am a MTB’er and I have wanted to get into BMX a little, been thinking about the l100 but have been hesitant, at least now i know that when i do decide to pull the trigger i can be comfortable in knowing that it will suit me for my entry skill level.
Buy a used ride off Vital, don't support these Walmart sellouts
@AndyDandy123 do you actually know anything about bmx?
I’d like to see y’all do a review of a 22” bmx bike
Get y’all’s thoughts and input on it
I like how you got the help on the tail whip after tge injury fatigue
12:51 i noticed he gets better rotation probably because the tires weigh more ... it probably lands nicer so there's less fatigue on impact too... 2lbs well distributed might balance out his own weight and height too
It seems all the styley riders run longer top tubes, bigger bars too. Matt definitely looked way steezier on the 21". I know once I started riding a longer front end, they kept getting longer, each new frame I got. Would of liked to see Matt crank a turndown or lookback over that hip on the L100.
He should be on that Scotty Cranmer titanium finish bro. don't forget the Cory B in all black that's nice
I’ve been saying it for years that Matty has one of the prettiest flairs in the game. Which is why I always laugh when he and Scotty say he has trouble with them!
The green one looks like a Brant Moore complete bike..... LoL
I'm 48 and 6'3 300lbs.... I love the stability of Mongoose. Always been a favorite of mine. Calm down people.... I'm loosing weight since riding again. LOL! Really like that Legion! Maybe in my future. Great video guys!
The L500 is a great bike for bigger riders and not much more than the L100 in cost.
@@modelcitizen394 I will look into it for sure.
100 psi is crazy I’m 35 and used to ride Bmx when I was 13-18 so much has changed
I think the reason is that if you do 3 tries on your own bike that is try 1-3 and then if you hop on a bike you're not used to it really is try 4 on a slightly different bike.
The big soft wheels helped immensely on the flair. Soft big squishy wheels allowing for a less intense pop resulting with less stiffness
Dope video Scott and Matt
Scotty I'm so glad your doing so well .
Looks like matty need s a longer frame
Got an L60 on sale for $141 on Amazon. It's pretty much the same as L100, but it's like 2 or 3 things differently. Like L100 has an all chromoly frame, forks, and bars and has double walled rims. The L60 only has chromoly bars and single walled rims. $141 is a steal for the L60.
Love the V-bar on the L100, like old school redline and kuwahara
Maybe Matt needs to change his geometry again and he should also ride bigger tires they look so much better
I would like to see Matty do a track stand challenge on different bikes, then do the same challenge/bikes challenge for others
I don't ride BMX but I do ride freestyle unicycle.
Scott in this video sounds like a AM radio talk show host
Man, I love you guys. The last time I whatch you was in 2015 i guess.
Matty needs the same geometry as the L1 for his sig frame!! lol
The length and wider bars added control. It made it easier to center himself.
Could be the 21" top tube? Matty is an AWESOME RIDER!! Great video!
nice vid guys! is matty gonna be doing another racing vid soon?
Long tip tubes and short backends you spin so nicely. It’s smooth and steezy…
Matty should get a 21.25 top tube bike and get the smallest possible rear end.
This makes the back end twitchy for tech tricks but in the air it’s smooth.
I have run that style frame as long as I can remember, they are so much more fun to ride.
When you are over the back it’s twitchy and over the front it flows, so you can do all your tech stuff without issues but you don’t lose out on airs. Plus there is so much more room for tricks
Almost every trick looked smoother on the green mongoose...
i got my new mongoose L100 for 300 on amazon because it was last years color. but same rimes. tires. cranks. frame. mine listed for 500 but i paid 300 and it is the best trick bike i ever owned and i have owned many high end bikes.
For at least 6 years if not longer Marty’s been riding the same geometry. The C2 frame wizard frame and the la familia frame are really close in geometry. He broke out big on tall order probably from having a longer back end.
He should prototype a trails style frame geo and see what happens
That’s why I run 21.3…
It’s so flowy and nice in the air. If you can get a short backend it’s good in manuals
i definity pick l100 cause you know im used of long chainstay and its durable it hold up to advanced tricks keep it up
its top tube length, look at his feet when he misses his pedals on his bike after the whips, his feet naturally went to where the complete bike would be
my thoughts are the longer frame/ wheel base would allow the bike to swing better. More weight that gets thrown around. Heavier to get going but once in rotation it goes.
I would imagine that doing the trick on the custom right before doing it on the complete is some good practice and affects the results. Maybe next time try complete first. Still, it's incredible how good that complete is for the price, and only 2 pounds different! I wonder how different the long term reliability is
It’s like this for almost everything now. Like I play guitar and before you really had to spend money to get a good guitar but now days you can get some really really god stuff for cheap
id say getting the practice attempts on his bike prepared him for the L100 so maybe do another where he switches witch bike he uses first for each trick he does
I always thought Matty looks crowded on his normal bike not that it affects his ability! However, with that being said he looks more comfortable on the longer frame! I have done that plenty of times figured out what i thought i preferred actually didn’t work in my favor!
Best thing I ever did was pick up a bike for 500$ subrosa ,when I was 15 my first job 😅 I’m now 22 and the bikes still sitting in my garage! It’s a sick orange frame that I can’t seem to find when googling
Great video Scotty and Matty.. took my kids to a wheels skate park.. ANY SCHOOL/ CLASSES THAT YOU TEACH FOR KIDS to learn BmX? Mention on next video
I think Matty is gonna start running a longer top tube now 😂
I have expensive bikes and also the L100, and the L100 is a legit bike, and can handle anything you can throw at it.
BMX bikes came a long long way I still have my original bike when I was a kid a Haro Shredder and I tried to ride it a few days ago with my son and the whole time I was thinking, How did I ride this thing as a kid and do tricks on it. It's unbelievable how far BMX has come and the prices. If I remember I think my dad told me that my bike was around $800 - $900 at the time insane to what we have now.
I have an l100 that I’ve been riding for 2 years. Almost nothing on it is stock anymore. It’s a great bike. Bought it because I thought I could break it
Probably the slightly slacker headtube and longer chainstays were more stable for bigger tricks. Where as the shorter frame is good for street and tech tricks. The top tube length might have some effect but most likely the geo is the reason bigger tricks looked smoother
That complete is actually a crazy good deal considering it’s all moly and had sealed bearings W for mongoose
What about the reflectors?
Great idea for a comparisson. And its always better to find the own way. Some Pros know what they need and customize it for their needs. I don't like the 100 PSI tires. So I know that it will be more comfort with less PSI. But I am far away from the shown skills. I am to old to learn that, but I love riding my BMXs. 20" is killer on all Pumptracks. Have good times riding bikes. All the best ❤
I bet the longer back end helped Matty on that flair. It was SOOOOOOOOOOOO SMOOTH.
Snagged my L100 used for $100... All it needed was a bit of maintenance and it's great.
Bros got mad skills but still got the nerves. Only human! I love how he's questioning his BMX existence after landing everything easier on the new bike 😂 "I gotta talk to the design team" lol
Matty should def consider riding a 21"tt he looked really comfortable on that legion
Back to back flare was so good.
Man as a rider in my younger days myself found the longer frame was always comfortable and easy to spin and move I had the Garry fisher special blue with clouds was the best thing I ever rode till got stolen
Looking at those specs, probably the best sub $500 bike ive ever seen. This video doesnt go into longevity tho. I dont expect those cranks to last long especially if youre a heavier rider (which for that size top tube you probably are taller/heavier) but that still a bargain at under $500. Cool video guys.
Possibly that the custom is all set up for how he’s become comfortable. But the complete was set up to what works better for him but he’s just never known (as far as bike geometry)
I'm 5'5 and ride a 20.5 top tube and i feel so cramped, but after watching this i think I'd do a lot better on bigger frame, maybe a 20.75 i think a 21 might be way too big for me.
You should really repeat the test but this time do it L200 the custom as the order to do each trick. For each trick the custom bike was probably just warming him up. Which probably makes more difference than slight geometry changes
I feel that he was rotating better because the tires on the complete had a bit of give to them if you watch when he rotated you can see them slightly fold acting like an elastic when he spins
The kink in those front bars is what made all the difference 😂
I personally believe the difference between Custom and Complete is comfort and consistency, If something works well for you and allows you to be consistent at the trick skillset you have made for yourself, then why change it? But as far as a complete bike goes, that L100 suits Matty to the ground. If he ever needs a back up, he knows where to look.
Is my fit trl a good bike I am 6ft
I think Matty had more leverage on the complete because of it being longer. Maybe he should switch to a 21" top tube..
Also, I can't believe he runs 2.1" tires!?!!
I would argue the standover/seat tube height made a big difference for the whips and flairs. Looks like the custom has 9-9.5 inch standover. Legion looks way smaller, more park orientated 🤷♂️
Thanks for the info drop, brother. Great work putting this video together!
Last year I got a Sunday blueprint for my 10yo grandson. His 8yo brother is now moving from an 18" to a 20" & I was able to get him the L80 for $280 new in box. There's only a 1/4" difference in top tube length with L80 being 20-3/4.
I got myself a Crew cb275 to cruise around with them. It's murdered out. I'm thinking of adding purple alloy but unsure of brand for good quality without the pro-level price. I also want the color shades to match... as I remember shades can be way different between brands. Can you recommend some parts? Thanks, man!
(I've been out of the scene for a long, long time. My brother, Johnny V & I were there when they built Sundowns BMX in El Paso in early 80's. Great memories. He's passed away now & want to add purple for a nod to him. I raced road for team Wounded Warrior Project for 8yrs. Now I cruise easy trails on a C'dale F4 Caffeine 29er hardtail. I'm glad grandson's want to pursue riding. Hoping to build great memories for them too.)
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I had to watch this twice because the first time was all about the rollergirls in the background.
Also, everyone's talking TT length, but it's more likely the longer chainstays that are contributing to the pop.
the custombike had frame geometry chosen by another rider, your arms and legs are unlikely to be the same dimensions. Looking forward to you having your own frame designed for you and seeing how that helps your riding.
Those bars look cool.
weight of bike, length of frame, size of tires.... all of it plays a factor but he also did the trick on his real bike first and got a "feel" for the actual trick.
I think Matt should try riding a 21” frame on his own bike
My first bike as an adult, after 20 years off of bikes was an L100. I updated the stem, but otherwise, it's been a dream. I'm really a mountain bike guy, but make sure to get on the 'goose at least a couple times a month.
Price difference be damned…
Those mongoose v bars are actually stylin’
Moral of the story: Matty coulda saved $1500!! LOL Seriously though, I appreciate this video. I plan to get back into BMX riding after 37 years (Yeah I'm old!) Last time I owned/rode my own BMX was back around 1986 or so when dinosaurs had just gone extinct. This video gives some reassurance that I don't need to spend too much to get something of decent quality for mainly just cruising around with my daughter, and to eventually give to her when she commits me to an old age home! 😉🤣
Matty - spec the custom with the complete bike geometry. 21tt 13cs etc 🚴♂️great vid thx 🙏
That flair 😂 thats doing Matts head in now - thinking he may Need to redesign a new Frame😂❤
well..honestly there is nothing on paper that says a custom bike should or could be better than a built bike. Its like buying a bike and changing seats. The seat wont make you a better rider really lol..In most cases its the rider, not the bike..
The same thing happened to me when I used to ride 75 then I switched to a 21 everything felt better
This is one crazy video. Awesome experiment!
All you proved is that top tube size is one of the most important factors for BMX sizing...
Man, they got some audience as well closer to the end ; )
Matty can do whatever he wants on a bike at the end of the day but it’s pretty clear that he’s a big air guy realistically which explains why a longer frame would actually be more conducive to his style.
As someone who was stuck riding a 21” but needed a 20.75 it may feel better in the air and ramps but on street it’s a world better riding a smaller frame if you aren’t 6’ or above. But also WOW that second switch whip on the stock bike was perfect, maybe he does need to go up to 21”😂
Get Matty to put his parts of his custom onto the l100 frame
I remember a few times where I could land a trick on a friend's bike but not on mine. Some set-ups just make certain tricks a bit easier to land. So if you are struggling on a trick next time try it on someone else's bike and see what changes!