The Great Tech Layoffs Of 2024
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
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Those “day in the life” videos showed tech executives that a lot of their non-developer staff were useless.
mid level employees who purely got the job because they had a bachelor's in business found out that millions of people seeing you do nothing all day because of severe tech company bloat will only lead to those useless people being fired. I'm kind of upset I won't be able to get a nothing job as asy as them now, but tbh I'm not planning on moving to a shot city like LA or SF anyway
A lot of them could be run entirely by a group smaller than their legal team...
I remember watching that video on a day when I had to respond to 3 cardiac arrest in one shift, and spent 4 hours overtime doing paperwork on those old folks, I remember thinking: those tech folks are FUCKED.
YOU CANT MAKE YOURSELF DISPOSABLE and then acted shocked when you are disposed of .
@EverythingisMeh but is it really a plan to "marry" or just act like that is the plan until they die/ eaten by cats? Let's face it, these aren't "marrying stock", this is the target audience for she-hulk and Sex in the City reruns.
@@geraldbouvy1222basically they spend their peak years being the citys front door mat and living on easy mode until theyre 35 and they either become miserable beings or marry to some idiots and sucks him dry of all his money like a leech
I hate that as an actual software engineer we get lumped in with these people as "tech jobs"
Im honestly trying to get into software engineering, so I guess maybe this is a little bit of a relief
Imagine working your ass off to get qualified to do actual useful work and then get lumped in with “product managers” and other bs lmao
100%. I hate getting lumped with the leeches.
I love the tech people at the tech companies I work with. The non-tech people like admin and HR can be nightmares. All the shit that tries to attract the tech people is abused by the others and they act like it is because they are awesome... sorry HR lady, you are replaceable and kind of not needed either.
You learnt to manipulate pixels created by Microsoft to a superior level in your own head than those around you. You're just a mammal surviving in your era dude lol.
Once an employer decides to lay you off/fire you, there's really no point in trying to argue that they keep you on - they've already established their intent and made their decision.
Her video can be used in the court of law as evidence that's she has been unfairly fired.
it's partially her personal satisfaction of going against them, but also to help her legally.
She won't get anywhere in court, but she might get some extra cash out of it.
I mean, when I got laid off a few years back, I did actually try to argue. And I was considered by the other employees pretty good! I even tried negotiating a lower pay. But nope, the decision was final.
2 months later I got another job.
@@erikkusters378unless she gets counter-sued for frivolous claims. Or it doesn't go anywhere and now she owes lawyer fees.
Yeah, causing a fuss doesn’t really do anything besides make you look like an immature and entitled brat. If anything it may actually hurt you because were you to put that job on your resume, your supervisor and/or the HR department may not paint a charitable picture of you when a potential employer calls asking about you. I can certainly understand feeling upset that you’re being let go, especially if you feel it’s for BS reasons, but just try your best to take it like a champ in the moment. Cry later on if you feel the need to, call up a friend or loved one and vent to them about it, but then dust yourself off and move forward. Remember that a job is not all that you are and being angry helps no one.
The problem is the company was trying to claim performance reasons instead of downscaling. It should be illegal for a company to lay off people in a downscaling operation with the official reason of "poor performance" because it severely impacts your career and destroys your reference. Employers are willing to hire people who got laid off, not people who got fired.
Honestly, as a 25-year software dev, to me it looks like a lot of higher management saw that Twitter fired 75% of staff and the service still functions. It adds features faster than it used to.
It is kinda scuffed from time to time like when authentication was broken, or when the servers just don't work but for the most part the cut of all middleman makes changes faster and even if cluttered, I like the news stats that show up publicly
@@Gaming_Legend2 Yep. That's how Agile development often works out. Early bugs, but things improve rapidly if managed correctly.
its said that 80% of the work is done by 20% of the people
@@thatundeadlegacy2985 Indeed, the Pareto principle. And it gets more extreme the larger the organization is.
I'm 32 and am trying to become a Software Engineer myself. It's going to take practice and an actual portfolio, but I'm excited.
It’s hard to feel sympathy for a group of people that hate you.
You mean girls?
Twitch layoff. Google layoff. Discord layoff. XBox layoff. Amazon layoff.
"Best economy ever!" -- MSM
"Bidenomics is working." and the slogan of "FINISH THE JOB" are so ominous.
Can't bring myself to cry over the people who made the internet worse getting laid off.
I mean, those companies employ a tiny fraction of the country, so that's not super telling on its own. The downstream effect is that the tech job market is now insanely competitive, which affects quite a few more people.
@@harbl99 They're overgrown children, indeed. The problem now is that they're flooding the unemployment market. I applied for a run-of-the-mill director role -- mine was resume 94 of 500 in the span of 2 days
@@CocktailsConsoles Ouch, it's tough out there. I'm certainly feeling the burn at the moment.
Elon firing 80% of Twitter and not losing any core functionality was very telling.
What are you talking about, the site was practically unusable until after he rehired half the people he fired back.
@@ZontarDownah, that's just Twitter.
Twitter is a cesspool and if you even have an account your automatically extremely toxic.
@@ZontarDownah
@@ZontarDow nah
@@ZontarDowhow was it unusable? I was using it just fine
Pretty sure the first girl was trying to get HR to agree with her "I was fired for no reason", even off-handedly, to build a case for wrongful termination.
Wrongful termination as been disastrous for the job market.
@@spehhhsssmarineer8961 It probably varies from country to country, but there were definitely some unintended consequences. Dev was actually pretty tame when he mentioned the "quiet firing" methods. In France there were at least some very televised cases of harrassment, up to and including getting people to game end themselves to avoid having to "technically" fire them.
@@nathansalvetti8232I remember ssethzeentach in one of his old streams shared the story of how a coworker of his dad took his own life because of that quiet firing thing put him under a lot of stressful work so he would quit and get no benefits
@@nathansalvetti8232 Terrible, but ultimately if you don't allow companies to cut the fat without extreme hoops to jump over, it makes it so doing so is either a years-long process or is done through less-than-virtuous means. France requires the employee to be documented as a serious issue due to performance or workplace violence/disruption, OR due to economic factors (eg: poor cash flow or technological redundancy). Little wonder unemployment is so high in France.
Or she just doesn’t want the bad review when the outcome may have been beyond her control. I know I can’t talk my way into keeping the job, but I’m going to need either a good reference, constructive criticism or both.
-Film how you're just treating your tech job as a glorified adult daycare
-Surprised when you get laid off
I just can't with these people, lmfao....
I saw those videos while I was under the floor laying fiber cabel for a switch we were setting up and I knew that the actual programmers/engineers weren't taking advantage of those "child daycare" activities, because why the hell would I want to stay at work longer
It makes sense if you adjust your mindset as somebody with survivor's guilt (Being successful when you know you don't deserve it because you know your peers are better. Happens a lot in Asian American communities) Also plenty of these tech people struggled in self reflecting and maturing in their teen years for the sake of good grades. Which explains why they are emotionally childish despite being in their 20's and 30's. As someone who currently lives in the Silicon Valley and has friends who work in these major tech companies. Many are entitled because they made sacrifices to their mental health in their teen years in order to get themselves the high paying job. The goal was never about being good at their career. But to make a lot of money then use that same money to enjoy the things that they missed out on earlier in their life. Them getting laid off means that they lost out on both the money and the time they lost earlier in their lives as they dedicated themselves into being qualified enough to get the high paying job. It's selfish, but that's because many of us born in the 80's and 90's have been taught that individual happiness matters more than anything else.
There's still way too many of those positions.
Perspective also changes when that paycheck stops rolling in
they're not even "real tech" they just happen to work in a tech company in the "support" area. notice how the people who got laid off are just lazy girls from sales and product management, I noticed most of the ppl getting laid off are (mediocre) product leads and product managers, they are the extra fat being cut off most likely cuz they're probably the worst/least efficient leads/PMs/PMOs of their group because you dont need 10 project/product managers for 1 product, you just need a 1 or a few excellent project managers and cut out all the mediocre/inefficient ones which is wats happening
Dev, you're obviously not used to tech sales. A 3-month ramp is there to help the rep learn about the product understand the territory and figure out the use cases. Most reps are not expected to close any deals during ramp, and those that do are considered exceptional. Hiring a rep between Thanksgiving and Christmas strongly implies that you are willing to wait until the next year to see any results. With cloudflare it was an obvious case of over hiring, not performance
Sure, but “last in first out” is applicable here. Even if Cloudflare didn’t over hire and even if she wasn’t at fault, if there’s a downturn in the economy the new sales people are gonna get cut first.
The fact someone in sales is on camera whining about how things are unfair kind of show that she’s not ready for the position. Sales is cut throat and to expect your company to be “fair” to you 3 months is delusional.
@@connellyboyle1 The significance of this firing being performance based as presented by HR is the key here. Cloudflare in this case is trying to turn a layoff into a standard firing in order to avoid paying severance.
@@thatfish3951 If she’s still in the probationary period then it doesn’t matter. They can legally let you go for any reason. Like it or not, agree with it or not, having 3 sales fall through at the last minute is bad performance and gives them that cover. Had she closed one maybe she could claim something else, but she didn’t.
I used to work in energy efficiency and same issue there. It would take months or a year to get into a big building and build trust and get them to do anything big
Shit companies are cutthroat sure. This ain't car sales. B2B is more complex. You have no idea what you're talking about. That exact chick got a shit load of offer because of her "whining". @@connellyboyle1
So sick of people posting videos and pictures of them crying. It's not a way to get my sympathy when I know it's a quick means to get attention.
If you have the ability to take a pic or film yourself crying and then post it to social media, you were never all that sad to begin with.
attention is like crack to some women, I'm not surprised they keep doing it
@@jimbothegymbro7086 I think it's just people.
Men have to put in a lot more effort than women for attention in this day and age though
@@DeadpoolX9 men do also do it yes, but they tend to be the softer doughy men, or in other words emasculated men, in my eyes they're adjacent to femboys in mentality but not as cute and 10 times more annoying
KEVIN SMITH
They're not getting fired. They're just getting promoted to customer.
@paganiniishere Or non contributer when they no longer have any money
lol
These are some of my favorite videos: Fellow women showing off how cushy their jobs and how they coast through the day are and then being laid off. I love my job, it's physically and mentally demanding and the challenge makes it enjoyable, but my boss is unbearable and he rewards bad customers, but I can't leave until my husband is finished with his marrow transplant in April. So the Schadenfreude I feel watching these types of videos are one of the many things I use to get through my boss's bitching and moaning.
If only those women followed your example and remembered the jobs they are best qualified for are those of wife and mother.
Based hard worker.
yes! It's so irritating to see these pampered ones live the high life doing nothing while we toil, but it's so sweet when they crumble.
How does your boss reward bad customers exactly? Curious.
I’m so sorry your husband needs the transplant and hope his recovery goes very well. Hope you are able to get through the rest of your time at your current job with as little pain as possible!
When dead-end jobs meet unambitious employees, nobody wins.
That HR "we get how your feeling" way of talking is so disgustingly insincere. How HR people are trained to talk is one of the reason why I DESPISE that profession. As someone who work in service, I try to be a real as i can with the customers I interact with.
HR people are those that have sold their soul. I'm sure they're not evil, but I couldn't work a job like that without feeling like I need a shower constantly.
Yeah, but their job is literally to be fake. I can't imagine what else they could say
@@benjaminpiccard Very true. Yet another reason why HR is the absolute worst
HR are the enemy.
HR doesn't exist to protect the workers. It exists to protect the company from the workers.
I worked "shit" jobs for years while building skills and buying tools. I work for myself now and can't be fired. Make yourself indispensable or face the tide.
I'd imagine it wouldn't be too stable though. But I suppose many jobs aren't stable with how people are getting laid off.
@@logicnorespond7100 the skills often save you money, take me for example, I did a mechanic course that cost $700, I've save myself at least $3k in labor cost in the last couple years alone, sometimes it's not about making money but saving it, earning $100 is taxed, saving $100 isn't
What jobs? If you don't mind me asking.
I heard that, man. I did the same thing. I ended up going to a votech school while I was working for myself and now I work for an engineering firm that is paying for my degree.
@@pepper5128my job was residential and commercial lawncare. Got hired as a ride-along helper and left the company as a manager, so the pay wasn't terrible at the end, but it just wasn't for me.
I did, however, get very acquainted with the psychology of the employee getting fired. These videos of people getting fired hit too close to home with me. I've just heard it all. I've never had to lay anyone off, but I have had to fire at least 150 different people for various different reasons.
I almost resent the people getting fired in these videos for not just taking it in stride. I have only been fired once in my life, and I 100% deserved it. So many of these people want to play like they're as indispensable to the company as the CEO. I have had to fire people because, sometimes, you just have to fire someone, even if they might be promising in other ways, and it sucks to do.... but dealing with someone who tries to gaslight you in front of other people when you are in the middle of firing them... those people have a special place in my heart.
Like, if you were indispensable, you wouldnt be getting fired. If you are truly indispensable, you can EASILY find another job.
DEVELOP THE SKILLS TO BECOME INDISPENSABLE.
The argument was "I took holidays off even though I just got hired, and failed to close 3 deals." This was the defence?
More tech companies force you to take holidays off, and use your own PTO to do so.
Failing to close 3 deals is not a good representation of her performance. You can definitely do really well with setting up the deals getting the materials together and doing the background research which could would look really good on paper. And is likely her supervisor and even manager that could have praised her for her work. Many clients could be reaching out to several other companies for their services to get the best deal or service, this can totally be outside of her control where the client they were working with never intended to hire them.
@@floyedDenver Coffee's for closers.
@@floyedDenver True, easy for this guy to call her a bad worker, but how tf does he actually know? Lol at people acting like they know something when they don't. He's free to make all the conjecture he wants, but that's all it is, conjecture. And I'm not even defending her, I don't know what happened to her, I only saw a short clip, but I have the sense to realize that I'd have no clue what I'm talking about if I were to make a statement one way or the other.
@@alptigin5438even if that is true, there should be a sign. HR should have pulled up the email communication from her manager saying that she has to close one of these deals by EOY or they are going to have to let her go.
I'm torn. These people (lets be real, young privileged DEI hired women) who have a charmed no stress work life will get fired the same as the employee who doesnt slack off and works 14 hours a day 6 days a week for less pay.
So, who played it smarter? The butterfly who sees trauma in everything, or, the actual dung beetle who pushes shit up hill every day?
This is why society is falling apart. There is no reasonable middle anymore
I'm glad to see this sentiment going around. Hopefully we see more people out there realizing that they're literally just lowly slaves, micro bacteria in a giant corporate organism. I'm not a commie, but my country's economy is totally in the shitter, and I'm pissed at how things are turning out. Every '-ism' has a life cycle.
Likely, performance wasn't even a factor at all. It's much more likely that your team was cut because the project they are working on isn't making money. After being in an industry a few years, I've learned people shouldn't take it so personal when there are so many external factors at play
@@pepper5128 i haven't followed elon musks twitter-restructuring in detail, but if i am not mistaken he fired 80% of employess but had to walk back on some dung-beetles to keep the thing going. there are people pushing billion dollar companies up the hills and if they realize who they are they might just ask for the butterflys salary on top.
@@benjaminpiccard except she wasn't able to close with 3 different clients , imagine if you were a cashier at a place and you weren't able to 3 people in one day to buy something ?
That depends on if you want a future in it. Plus you’re assuming everyone gets laid off when that’s only if the company goes under. Even then the worker that put in effort is going to get a glowing letter of recommendation and the one that did nothing will get the “they’re okay” obligatory review which lets the potential future employer know to avoid. They won’t give a bad review because that opens up possible legal crap, but they’re certainly not going to highly recommend you. So the dung beetle as one person referred to them as, will move up and be worth more while the one you’re praising will continue to flounder never making much.
Edit: Layoffs go by which departments contribute the least. So if your job is just sitting around going to meetings all day, you’re not needed and were hired to look like the company was growing to attract investors.
I think one major factor Dev overlooks with all these tech jobs is that investment capital from the boomers is going away.
2022 was the year the average boomer turned 65. That huge generation, flush with spare capital to dump into investments, especially the tech sector, are pivoting into retirement mode.
Theyre taking their money out of risky investments and moving it to savings or more boring reliable retirement funds.
The whole tech sector, especially companies like Amazon, have been running on the hype cycle of venture capital for years. They never needed to be profitable, because the promise of being tomorrow's monopoly kept the boomer investors opening their wallets.
Now that boomers are leaving the workforce, their capital is leaving too, and these companies suddenly have to cut back to what is actually profitable, rather than burning money in the hopes of infinite growth.
"The whole tech sector, especially companies like Amazon, have been running on the hype cycle of venture capital for years." That is a very bizarre way to describe a company that has been traded on public markets since 1997
@@benjaminpiccard Amazon is famous for their strategy of "maximise growth at expense of profits".
The idea is to secure venture capital, and then burn money unsustainably growing, while undercutting and out competing the market with your ability to bleed more.
Once you're the monopoly, or at least to big to fail, you can pivot into profitability, or at least that's the idea.
But if you're only part way through growing and the venture capital stops, you're toast. Thus all the lay-offs as tech has to pivot and strip back to profitable sectors only.
@@benjaminpiccardOP doesn't understand what VC is, but the point stands. Most of these companies are riding a bubble of investment capital telling them to "grow grow grow" to take over market share, then worry about profitability later. Amazon is possibly the worst example, because they'll likely be able to make the transition from growth to profitability no problem. More "digital" companies like LinkedIn and Uber that provide no physical service and are merely platforms (Uber's gig workers provide the service, the company literally just runs an app that connects taxi with rider) are the one's that will struggle to make the change.
To add to your comment, the millennials that are now getting the higher paid jobs are buying more stuff instead of investing more.
@@benjaminpiccardYou don’t need to be profitable to be traded. It just needs to be valued at a certain amount. Amazon is profitable today, but they’ve accumulated so much in tax write offs from all the years they weren’t they can pick and choose what year and how much taxes they’re going to pay. It’s clear you weren’t around when the tech bubble popped. Brand new tech companies were over valued and put on the stock exchange only to collapse in less than a month.
hey Dev, just regarding the '8am meeting workout', just some extra context given the narratives going around:
-the guy in that Tiktok was *not* the employee in question, he just saw the opportunity to to insert himself in a Tiktok
-the employee wasn't hers but from another firm
- the employee was salaried, not paid hourly
-during the hiring process the employee was told about this one 8am quarterly meeting before they sign
-the meeting is at 8am so they can include their international team members in Europe and India
i am using this opportunity to insert myself. because i too am obnoxious.
So the whole viral clip was a lie? Tiktok is top notch.
@@Omphaloskopie are you saying the OP is obnoxious because he helped people see that the GenZ crybaby was one, lying, and two, talking out of his ass about what he would do in a waged job when the context was about a salary job with known expectations? If that is the case, enjoy suffering through life and just know, you are the problem because you think that tiktok fk was valid for posting his anti-work propaganda.
These companies over hired, drastically. Not just during the past four years, even longer. Because the stock market correlated employee count with growth, and growth with valuation. This ignored revenue. Tech has been a money-fueled fever dream. The work that needs to be done can be done by 1/10th of the people that are on staff. It's going to be a rough ride for the people who aren't the do-ers.
That is actually really true. You can't imagine the number of slackers in our team, but the whole not raising wages is also very demoralizing, I work instead of 4 people and have always had great reviews and yada yada while many others sit their assess down doing nothing, this whole thing brings so much demoralization. I wish meritocracy was alive.
@@menthol1234It's called not picking up the slack from said slackers. Complete goals and tasks pertaining to your responsibilities and document all work done. When shtf, either they get rid of slackers or a good indicator of finding a better employer.
Sadly those useless positions most likely made more than people who do work. Whether or not it is the tech industry or other industries.
wow so weird how most of them are women, and there is ONE guy who makes a good argument on why he was ""late"" (because it was off the clock lmao)
because men don't complain. so you don't see them.
Also because DEI forgets that employers look at male and female employees differently. Men at tech companies need to service the company in some way. Men must have skills that lead to revenue $$$. The women are there to shield the company from feminist groups and politics. So when the going gets rough, they are the first to be fired.
Probably can't fire the men, because they're actually working. Women are there for the diversity quotas. The women who are actually putting in the work won't get fired and they won't be complaining.
You can find plenty of dudes making cringe day in the life nonsense videos. It's pretty dumb to take 3 examples as representative of a ~100 million person economic sector.
And they say shit like "trauma" when they experience what is considered just a bad or upsetting situation for most normal people.
You didn't get lit on fire you were just fired, cut the trauma crap!
This stuff doesnt work on me. Im like a cockroach at work. They want me gone but my records spotless and know the new cheaper workers dont even show up on time.
*Be unsquashable* - Roach mindset
Based and roachpilled.
You are my favourite kind of roach ❤
1. Getting an employee to quit intentionally based on treating them poorly is called "constructive dismissal" which is illegal federally in Canada and at least in Quebec.
2. Of course these people are getting fired, the companies are in rough times and the first people to go are the diversity hires. Oh yeah, it was weird how there were so many women working in tech with do nothing jobs and no tech skills, wonder why that was? The companies did a workforce analysis and found they were not hitting 50% female so literally made up nonsense jobs so they could hit gender equity.
It might be technically illegal but it also seems pretty hard to clearly define and pursue. If a boss suddenly starts assigning you a bunch of unpleasant tasks and harshly criticizing your work in evaluations it'd be hard to prove he deliberately wants you to quit. The world DOES have plenty of jobs that are legitimately unpleasant and it's not illegal for bosses to have very high demands from their employees.
@@Monsuco But what about when the employer wants you to do a job *that you understand* is a *violation of labor laws?*
Day in the life: I consume $500 worth of shit before I make the company a single dollar back.
What the fuck is "taking leave" for months at a time? Non medical or required like maternity?
She said "caretaker leave" and wanted to keep the details private, so she's either dealing with a very sick relative or is lying to game the leave system
@@jack_corvinus that just sounds like FLMA.
So "Taking leave" is like putting your job on pause for weeks/months, and some still pay you?
@@zerocool5395 usually it isn't paid.
@@zirconiumdiamond1416 That sounds pretty sweet.
"Quiet Quitting" a.k.a. "Working to Rule"
"Quiet Firing" a.k.a. "Creative Dismissal"
(Creative dismissal can take many forms... limited only by the employer's creativity)
damn right, it's even more brutal in china. One example is a tech company move their company building on remote village at the mountain, after enough employee quit they simply move back to city.
Uh, no. As an employer, we're bound by so many regulations it would make your head spin. Those regulations are also the reason there aren't more jobs.
I would estimate that there would be at least 25% more jobs out there if not for stifling regulation.
@jamesdanton9033
That's why you have to get *creative.*
Also, creative dismissal is a legal term (typically used by judges siding _against_ the employer). If you lack a reason to fire someone, but find a creative way to get them to quit... the courts consider that a dismissal. A creative dismissal.
@@Gulgathydra And who wants it to go to court and why? It's certainly not the people who are generous and in need enough to want to employ others to do a job. It's usually the people who can't provide anything worth while to the employer for whatever reason.
@@jamesdanton9033
I mean... _you're not wrong._
I got laid off during the coof -- went to an employment lawyer to review the general release they wanted me to sign. He had trouble understanding I didn't want to sue my employer.
(We negotiated 3-week notice with pay instead of immediate dismissal with compensation. I needed the work time to qualify for a certification. My former employer ended up laying off around 75% of the staff. They have since rebounded, as I understand it.)
Layoffs in the gaming sector are so frustrating because this shoulda been blatantly obvious from the get go. Covid boom was gonna come to an end, it was unsustainable once we all went back outside, pair that with companies purposefully making games opposite what the playerbase is asking for and you have this perfect storm.
The sad thing is, the people who are responsible for this fucking mess are protected, promoted and moved around to save their ass while the people responsible for making these experiences are yeeted out the door. Total and utter failure
Protected, but not bulletproof...
HR and diversity officers should be first to go and never to return
I cannot stand the phrase "work trauma". I'm a fireman, do you know what i see on a daily? These people have never worked a day in their lives.
My mom works as a nurse and even got an education to work a better position in her job so she doesn't have to deal with the hospital anymore. She's seen some f*cked up stuff, and she's way happier in her career now. She deserves it because she...wait for it...worked for it.
Then why do you need men with guns to collect your pay? Why aren't you working in a "free market"? YOU'VE never worked a day in your life, buttercup.
What are the top 10 dangerous jobs?
1. Loggers ($34,600)
2. Fishers, fishing workers ($36,900)
3. Pilots, flight engineers ($128,800)
4. Roofers ($38,800)
5. Structural iron and steel workers ($50,700)
6. Refuse, recyclable material collectors ($35,200)
7. Electrical power line installers, repairers ($62,300)
8. Truck drivers, mobile sales workers ($27,700)
9. Farmers, ranchers, agricultural managers ($73,700)
10. Construction labourers ($34,500)
No one is buying what you're selling sonny boy. Go lick the socialist boot some more.
Done roofing, done construction, done farm work all to pay for my schooling to be screeched at by some socialist cupcake? You're a joke!
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Ooof, yeah man. I'm a heavy equipment mechanic, and I often say "At least I'm not underneath a street sweeper getting covered in hydraulic oil" even though that does happen semi regularly. For as crappy as working on those, or garbage trucks is, all the "trauma" I experience can be scraped out from underneath my fingernails and washed off with a nice hot shower at the end of the day. That is all but laughable compared to what I'm sure follows first responders home after a bad day. Thanks for being the ones who run towards everybody else's worst day ever when most people are running away.
Remember when these tech workers condescendingly told coal miners to learn how to code? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
They need to learn to coal.
@@mrnasty2757if only the mines would be reopened.
tech workers never did that. It was journos who did so, not tech workers.
Get your facts straight
Bro, the journalists did that, not the tech workers…..
Seriously, Devs audience… do better.
@@Darth_Bateman You say that, yet how many of those tech workers agreed silently with those articles?
My step-dad works for a unionized company, and one of his colleagues got promoted by screwing up so bad the guy's car was kissing a building.
What the fuck?
@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf my words exactly. Probably had the weirdest look on my face when my stepdad told us. Not helping that it came up over dinner.
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This is happening in my industry right now too. I work in a laboratory at a biotech company that's currently undergoing "restructuring" and looking to "reduce headcount/redundancy" in the workforce. This will be the third round of firings in the last year, and we're all just waiting for the next month until we know if we're still considered valuable or not. Guess that's what happens when you put all your eggs in the coof basket.
Update: I'm not fired, but I'm being transferred to another department. Fortunately it's a good team of people that I've already worked with a lot and I don't have to take a pay cut. I hope my coworkers can be as lucky.
Dev, I have to heavily disagree with you regarding the first tiktok lady.
Not closing contracts when it comes to SAAS during a three month ramp up, during Q4 (aka the holidays) cannot be considered bad performance. I know this because that's my industry. If it was Q1 or 2, the company had provided clear KPI expectations (i.e. a minimum closed contracts per quarter) and she had received feedback then the story would be different.
The biggest problem here is that she's being let go with the excuse of "performance not met" when not only she never received any feedback to indicate bad performance, but the people citing it were unable to name which KPIs she didn't meet. Those of us who have navigated the corporate world can smell BS like this from a mile away.
She wasn't trying to talk her way out of being fired, she was demanding indicators to prove she deserved it. Which depending on the local laws might allow her to negotiate a better severance package or even sue. Or, at the very least, put both the company and the HR worms in their place.
And she also mentioned that her manager said she is doing good job and here work is good, and then suddenly, this happened to her. Yes, incidents like this can be traumatising for people as they will create hopeless ness and will have feeling of "what's wrong with me". She standing up for her self and she did good thing and she is not letting the company down. I wish here good.
I get being fired for a BS reason - I was fired from my landscaping job because I "made the boss look bad in front of a customer" (but she can yell at customers for bringing potted plants inside to pay but whatever) All I said: "Janet doesn't like anything I do" then they shifted it to "you left without permission/didn't show up to work" (they told me to leave that day the "argument" happened and didn't schedule me for the next day)
Here's the big difference tho - I was actually doing work. Outside pulling weeds and loading plants up into people's trucks. These tech people are shocked they're being let go after years of doing nothing.
edit: the funniest part is that the landscaping business got shut down like 2 months after they fired me because they were doing some illegal stuff out the back lol
you spoke shit about your boss to the client ?
I’d have sacked you as well
@@King-balloon a quippy "she doesn't like anything I do" warrants being fired? I wouldn't wanna work for you if that's the case
Also, would you yell at clients like my boss did?
Sounds like she didn’t like you in the first place.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
@@SouthernGothicYT you stay professional at all times with clients, you don’t mention any thing outside of the job.
Maybe sacking was a bit harsh but how are we to know that it was the first time.
Yes I would be pulled to one side if i was found to be shit talking my boss to clients
@@lookstothetroon if you think it’s normal to to to clients like that I’m going to presume the only responsibility you have ever had is stacking shelves
I think we need to recontextualize the "day in the life" people.
Companies want them around when they're booming, because they operate as community liaisons and advertisers for the positions the company wants to fill. They're a great way to advertise that, when you have positions open, those positions are open to lower-performers, and people who want flexible work schedules.
So when you're no longer hiring, not only do those people lose their primary value for your company, but you run the risk that their continued social media activities will advertise that the quality of life of your workers has decreased because you're no longer a booming company that can afford the same luxuries.
I think it helps to see how these social media people bring value to companies despite what is on paper poor performance, as stealth PR projects.
Every time I saw one of those "day in the life" videos I assumed it was a corporate plant to try and attract the real talent. Their job was essentially recruiting/pr/sales.
I've noticed this weird phenomenon when people discuss layoffs. Typically when it's a more left-leaning publication or person that is discussing them they act as the it should be illegal to ever lay someone off and that the company should just be expected to keep everyone on as soon as they are hired. Things like loss of revenue or redundancies or anything like that (and then don't even bother bringing up the person just not being a good fit for the job) are never taken into consideration and if a company hires someone they have to keep that person, otherwise it's a failing of capitalism somehow.
It is.
Some people don't understand how some departments can be unnecessary or bloated like the various examples of DEI going wrong like in the American Aviation industry (Dev should do a video on that topic itself tbh)
@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 how is a company no longer requiring the services of an employee a "failure of capitalism?" Like if you hire someone to build you a house, and they finish building it, are you now required to keep them perpetually building more houses forever or perpetually adding on more to your house for the rest of their lives?
@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 Reducing waste and maximizing efficiency is bad now?
@@ThatGuy-ky2yf@shortFatOtaku
A day in the life of a regular programmer:
I wake up around 7 or 7:30 AM, shower, take my antidepressants, then drive 20 minutes into work where I do stand up for about 30 minutes with my team and then proceed to program for 9-10 hours straight without taking any lunch or breaks, drive back 20 minutes - grabbing some protein bars for dinner - getting home anywhere from 5-8 PM depending on how much extra time I wound up working that day (no overtime btw I'm salaried and just have a lot to do) , sit outside on my patio for like 5 hours unwinding and smoking cigars and thinking about the other stuff I need to do at work the next day, struggle to fall asleep at around midnight and repeat.
Real tech work is not glamorous.
Can anyone explain to me the benefit of salary over hourly pay? It seems to me, based on what I've observed, that any job offering a salary is one that's intent on running you into the ground by demanding more and more of your time, thus cheapening your labor significantly. They demand you put in 50-60+ hours weekly, and you only get paid as if you worked somewhere around 40.
My only guess is that it's good if business is inconsistent, or seasonal, where you're going to hit patches where you regularly work less than 40 hours weekly. But I don't know. Seems like a scam to me.
@@MrNickPresley The primary benefit is for the employee. Your pay is guaranteed whether you work 60 hours in a week, or 5. Hourly pay usually means shift work, so if you don't get along with your boss or your department's hours get cut, you can expect to only work 6-10 hours a week and get paid as much.
Hourly wages can be even worse because your manager will usually expect you to be available at the drop of a hat even if you have other jobs, appointments, or (sometimes) are already on vacation.
@@MrNickPresley I've worked with hourly pay, if you over perform (that is do your tasks correctly and quickly) you actively get less money than if you work slow and deliberately do your work less well so they keep needing you back. I HATED my hourly job as I was forced to work slow with flashes of intense work. The best system would be a salaried job with fixed tasks and if you do extra you'll get extra pay, this would incentivise people to work both more and complete their jobs faster.
@@MrNickPresley working extra time, to be fair, is entirely my fault. My employer at present is not expecting me to put in more than 40 but I usually do 45-50 of my own volition, because I legitimately just have that much stuff I gotta get done. I'm basically responsible for keeping an entire other department both in our US and UK offices running. I'm also aiming to leverage my work into a promotion to senior developer by 2025 so there's that.
@@joelhatterini6392 I see. Well, I hope you get your promotion, because that sounds like a logistical nightmare for just one guy to manage.
Used to date someone who did graphic design for Nike. She hated her job. One day she took me to their office and it was so lavish and spacious with all the amenities you could ask for. Having grown up lower class it's really disconcerting the privileged middle-class can't appreciate their opportunities.
Sounds like a cushy job. Your fate was spoiled. Thousand would beg and sell their mother for her job.
Lots of these top companies uses coshy offices to justify no work life balance. If they give you free meals that means they are expecting you to still be working after dinner.
It doesn't matter how cushy the benefits are when the people are the worst you will ever meet and the work makes rowing on a slave ship sound romantic.
I've had several jobs where I've hated every single second from the moment I clocked in until the moment I clocked out - but I'd rather carry bags of cement naked up a mountain of volcanic glass for a living than work graphic design as an employee ever again.
The amenities at the office don't really have much impact on the quality of the job - it's just the first thing you see when you enter the office. I'd rather work 40-hour weeks on interesting work out of a boring cubicle than spend 90 hours a week in a fancy Manhattan bank headquarters editing powerpoints for Wharton-educated psychopaths. Graphic design is one of the few vaguely viable careers for "creative types", which means competition is heavy, pay is low, and work is probably fairly stressful as a consequence
I understand the nuances the comments have given, but from what she was being payed and the normal amount of hours she did I don't think she had much room to complain. Lemme also note she was a anti-capitalist tankie who hated working for "the man" even though it meant she had a comfortable lifestyle.
People need to always keep in mind that HR is a Legal Department. They call it HR so employees feel better about it, but its purpose is 100% to prevent legal issues for a company. Treat your interactions with HR as you would if you were meeting with a hostile attorney... they are not on your side... they are on the companies side.
Interesting, in retrospect this aligns 100% with my interactions with HR departments in the past haha. Will keep this in mind.
The woman is "arguing" (really just asking for eithrr clarity on termination reason or actual evidence) because the company is clearly attempting to skirt unemployment insurance laws. They are attempting to claim that she was fired with cause (which, in many states, would not allow you to collect UI) when, as she said, the company was going through layoffs due to economics.
She didn't close any sales. She was on the bottom of like 1000 sales reps.
@@Ammoniummetavanadate during an heavily implied time which is tutorial for the job. if an end of year hire gets a deal is exceptional but not expected as results are not expected till later.
@@randomprotag9329 Not when you’ve had 3 fails. Especially that far along. If you get that far in the sale the person likes the product being offered. Which means it was most likely an issue with her the client had. Don’t forget clients give feedback.
Good point. It could also not be her fault if the thing you’re selling has flaws and people don’t sign because they find a better vendor
@@a.wadderphiltyr1559 when the bar is 0 and 1+ is a bonus. underperforming though number of deals is basicly impossible unless you stop the others getting deals that were expected.
"i shouldn't be let go just because I haven't closed any deals since I started." 😂😂😂
BRUH. What a self report.
Sounds like it was only three sales opportunities, but sure, take the side of bloated incompetent tech companies
@theanonymousnomad She admitted herself she couldn't or wouldn't perform and in your words, "the bloated company" got rid of bloat. Another self report.
@@theanonymousnomad "three sales opportunities" a good salesman creates their sales opportunities. That bitch was never gonna make it.
@@adamz.5844 We don't actually know anything about her performance, because each sales cycle could take months. What we do know is that tech companies like to over-expand because it increases their stock value, at the cost of unnecessary employees who get laid off when the jig is up.
There is a difference between "working in Tech" and a "Tech worker". The former can mean anything from admin jobs like scheduling and customer support to sales and product management, with a general theme being that while some of these jobs require a certain level of technical skill, technical skill is secondary to what their main responsibilities are EG supporting/promoting/selling/managing company services/products. The latter on the other hand is where you see programmers, developers, operations, and to an extent technical support, where these are the workers who have degrees and certifications relating to technical skills and are often times working on the core capabilities for these tech companies.
Most of the time when we hear "Tech layoffs" it's primarily these "working in Tech" roles where since there roles are already so loosely connected to the field it's much easier to lay them off without disrupting business operations. That being said there was a massive surge in Tech hiring during the pandemic (primarily in these large tech companies) which resulted in an over saturation of the market, and there has been a large amount of layoffs targeting technical roles, but most of the time when you see headlines regarding layoffs in Tech, it's a large amount of these "What do you even do?" roles.
Reading this as a product manager, I'm a tiny bit heartbroken that you lumped us in with sales and customer support ☹
This is what I been thinking. It speaks vol when most of the people in this video are women
@@benjaminpiccarddevs have massive egos even though they are essentially glorified factory workers. Code monkeys. And a lot of them are just as overpaid as the non-tech workers they demonize but because those people aren’t clickity clacking away on the key oar they look down on them.
As a software dev, who actually works on bespoke software, I despise these people.
And yet the ones that know nothing about software but “shoot from the hip” end up being our bosses….
I hate the fact that we live in a world where women get to sit in an air conditioned office and make $100k a year doing nothing while I work as a professional Chef making $40k In a 40°C kitchen making food from scratch with actual skill and effort involved. 😐
But your job doesn't count because it's not glamorous or prestigious enough. They only want jobs where they have power over those around them and don't actually have to chip their manicured nails.
No one forced you to be a chef.
@@AieshooI wasn't necessarily complaining about being a Chef, if I didn't enjoy what I do I wouldn't have gone and gotten the required trade certificates and made a career out of it.
What I am complaining about is individuals who objectively provide absolutely no value to a company or society as a whole getting paid obscenely well while hard working skilled labor gets shafted. 🤷🏻♂️
skill issue
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"you want to be paid more you need to be more valuable." - Yeah maybe in a perfect meritocracy. A more accurate statement would be that you need to be perceived as more valuable, and that perception is often most favorable for the better connected or liked, independent ff other merit.
In the states this is 100% true
@haws3232 this is true everywhere. The reason is because how can know something I can't see? How do I know you are being productive if I don't know what you do
@@KManAbout That is one possible cause. Another is that the boss doesn't actually know or truly understand what the subordinate does. The best bosses i have had could and did at one time do my job. The worst all thought they knew my job, but coud not do it themselves.
You want to get paid more? Too bad. You will do senior level work for junior level pay. Don't like it? Get fucked.
I graduated with a Bachelor's in IT last year and I have been trying to find work for months. I was in a paid internship for almost a year but they laid me off last month due to budgeting even though they are hiring a bunch of people in different departments and have only 1 other IT guy working there. They mostly rely on a company nearby the office for supplies and IT services, but they are unreliable. It was better when I was working there because there was less work for IT to work on. They might fire him or lay him off since I heard that from him since he hasn't gotten a promotion but everyone else has. Right now I'm just applying to anything that's not only in my field. I need money.
Should have gone to trade school to become an electrician I suppose.
Apply at any schools near you for their tech departments. They’re always hiring and it’s something at least tangentially related to your field until you can find something better.
@@JT-bc5cd This is a western mindset, Here is east we're told it's best to be an electrical engineer who does trade on the side.
Apply for work and private security. A lot of the jobs are pretty easy; contractors like Securitas, Garden world and Allied Universal will put unarmed guard new hires in positions that basically only ask you show up with a pulse. This will give you plenty of time to perhaps do some freelance coding and continue your job search while also earning money.
You missed the number one reason for the layoffs… rising interest rates. Companies overhired hoping to grow into it but when the interest rates rose it became unaffordable.
"Work trauma" in other words "My job actually required me to do work."
Unless you work in emergency services or you're in underground mining the words "work trauma" shouldn't be in your vocabularly.
Good thing I work in the health field lmao 🤣
*Discord is literally fancy IRC. WHY DID THEY NEED 1,000 EMPLOYEES?!* Seriously, it makes NO SENSE. I would be surprised if they need more than 100 people.
Support boats numbers.
Dev: "Quiet quitting is bad! you should go above and beyond and give value to the company for FREE!"
Also Dev: " If you give away value for free, you're valueless, don't do work for free."
Top tier reasoning.
I'm 44 and work in IT. I've been laid off multiple times in my life and it definitely sucks. Having said that, acting like this is some affront to you personally is exactly the wrong way to deal with it. Time to grow up and live in the real world, kiddos!
I work in IT. Company has been actively back filling in “cheaper markets” for years. Eventually they decided to make the UK team redundant. Even though it would cause a degradation of service and continuity. They didn’t care they ran the numbers and decided they could tank the damage while they waited for teams based in other regions to catch up They saved a lot of money but it opened my eyes you can break your back keeping a company running but if they don’t think they need you they will get rid of you.
A few of the UK team who had moved to different positions before the redundancies are still about and frequently having to pull double duty supporting the remaining teams and finding stuff that has not been looked at, changed, updated or maintained since those redundancies.
Between capitalism’s drive for forever increasing profit and DEI/ESG scores, a recipe for disaster is brewing. Maybe I am getting older and realising the people I used to look up to have been moved on or phased out and the new people are just young and inexperienced and not incompetent and unskilled?
Okay, so I don't consider myself a particularly hard-worker, but I do work more or less uninterrupted for 7 hours and a half, so I wouldn't say I'm lazy either.
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the "in the life of" videos that are featured in Dev's videos.
For example, the one featured here has her arriving at 6 AM. She specifically says she does so in order to beat traffic, so presumably, she's arriving way before her workday begins. That leads into her working out until 7, eating breakfast at 8, and then starting her workday at 8:20.
At 10, she goes to get a snack. In my work environment, it's perfectly normal to go make a cup of coffee at the coffee machine, so I don't see anything egregious about that, and would assume she goes straight back to work after grabbing her snack.
At 11:30 she eats lunch. I trust no one takes issue with that.
At 12:00 she grabs a coffee and goes back to work.
At 4:20 her workday is done.
Subtracting her half-hour lunch, she has worked a total of 7 and a half hours.
What's the issue here?
Yeah, her working conditions seem nicer than mine, but I don't exactly expect much different from an office job versus my own line of work. Am I supposed to resent her or think she's living the easy life because she works in a place that has access to a gym, a nearby cafe, a nice cafeteria, a game area, and a massage place, even though she only uses them in her off-hours and she still works full-time?
Honestly the one featured here, it looks like she worked a solid 7+ hours that day. Most jobs would have her scheduled longer to make up for the lunch time, but I don't think it's a good example of adult daycare just because she was taking advantage of the amenities that her workplace provided, largely before and after working hours.
Most people in this comment section seem to know nothing and understand nothing, I agree with you fully.
All saying that the layoffs are just for "diversity hires that bring no value" etc etc etc. You can just spot the absolute ignorance and political view from hundreds of miles away.
Literally hundreds of thousands of jobs destroyed in few months and we do all we can to protect the companies that made RECORD PROFITS.
Now THIS is why you are poor, keep protecting them and keep prioritising CEO salaries and enjoy your economically fucked world.
That employer at the end was wrong for the same reason the CloudFlare sales rep was wrong. Trashing your employee on a podcast like that would destroy your reputation on employer review websites even before it came out your meeting was mandatory, off-hours, and last minute.
No more adult day care.
9:08 'work trauma'.
Most people would consider the kind of work she's talking about as being among the easiest and most comfortable available but to her it's trauma, unbelievable.
Quiet firing? So just Milton from Office Space?
More like Director Ton from Aggretsuko, when he was being "managed out" when the new president took over. Quiet firing is the norm in Japanese companies.
That's what I thought of too. Art imitates life I suppose.
This is my red swingline stapler, there are many like it but this one is mine.
That lady dropping that she is 30 and other woman her age take leave.
But she sounds like she is doing it because she feels left out. Where those other woman are likely doing it around summer to take care of their kids.
Yeah being single and childless after the big 3 0, is a very sad place to be.
Could have been those leaves were to have kids as well.
@Quandry1 either way most employers are a bit more lenient if it has something to do with kids or having kids.
Not like they want to miss out on money.
I’m so glad I work for a small company ran by my uncle.
Lmfao nepobaby
@@thiccactusI guess the majority of farmers are nepobaby then
*run by
Nepobaby.
Learn to code... oh, wait... uh...
Well, lower yourselves to take a job at Walmart, I guess.
No one cares how hard you work
This is a perfect example of how nonconfrontational corpo-speak can backfire. Their desperation to avoid saying hard truths made them look slimy, and made her more frustrated and bitter
In todays day and age employers can't just say: "we're firing you because your work is shit and that makes you useless too us",
They have to "be nice" and talk in circles in order to try and keep from getting sued by some jumped up little twat whose "feelings" got hurt because their boss told them the truth about why they're no longer needed.
I've had to fire people in the past and I was always 100% percent honest with them when I told them why they were being let go.
Most of the time I'd be nice about it because I knew they were good people who just didn't fit in the job, but there were more than a few occasions where I'd have to be mean about it because the employee's issues were so pronounced and they were so unwilling to do anything to change the situation that I'd just read them the riot act and then tell them: "there's the door, don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out" before having security forcibly remove them from the premises.
She didn’t work well though. 3 deals that you fail to close is a you problem. Not a product problem. Sales isn’t an area you get to just try in. It’s 100% results based. If you can’t get the results then you’re wasting the company’s money. They clearly said she didn’t reach performance goals. Goals that she was aware of when she took the job.
UA-cam for once sends notification timely
god, privileged 1st world women in coastal cities sure love to use the word "trauma" to describe their safe and carefree lifestyles.
The software company that I work for had to do layoffs this year as well. We layed off like 50% percent of our software engineers. The reason why is simple: our clients are all American companies and since the American economy is in very bad shape right now most of them decided not to renew contract with us. Some of them even filed for bankruptcy. At the same time, it's been very difficult to get new clients since Q1 2023.
But...but the President *insists* our economy is doing fantastic, better than it ever has been. Are you suggesting Joe Biden is *lying?*
Here's another pov. While all firings are on some level tragic as sometimes even the good employees get got in these layoffs. Keeping perspective; The fact a company can cut 1900 employees from their gaming division and only have it be around 8% is crazy. And it starts to seem like the tech industry was rather bloated.
All I could think when I saw Cloudflare girl was "Well, now that you've posted this online, you're super duper unemployed". Could've just dusted herself off and found a new gig. Now she's poison for life
2:02 she's looking at Dev's smartphone
😂
all the tiktoks seem like sporting that arm. it has to be intentional (after a lucky accident possibly)
I hate these zero work ethic people. I work my ass off and I expect anyone who has a grunt job like myself to do the same.
"Quiet firing" has always been common in retail, restaurant, and other technically part-time employment. Just reduce someone's hours until they just go find another job.
I’m a woman in tech. Not an engineer, but my job requires some technical knowledge. Early in my career, I got a good piece of advice. More than your contract, more than your company, doing good work and providing great service is your job security.
Edit: I’m not saying the folks in these videos aren’t doing those things! It’s a hopeful word for anyone who does get laid off that your established efforts can help you get back on your feet. Sometimes life is just unfair, but a good repertoire helps stack the deck in your favor
I work in tech too! That is terrible advice as those who get ahead agree to go over your bosses head and take over roles and all special projects to gain visibility and end up becoming your boss. Politics not hard work is the best way to get ahead. Only projects matter. Now how many cases you close
@@timothygibney159 Unfortunately, that is often true! I meant that if you keep regular customers happy, you can get a reputation that gives you better job prospects in general, at least in your network. I have been able to work at some companies that prize work over politics, especially if they have to stay lean. I think if you can find a way to build good relationships that improve your political standing while focusing on doing a good job, it’s a big help. But when the politics are gross, it’s not worth it.
9:44 omg !! This bootlicking mofo
Taking a PTO doesn't mean that you dont wanna work. I work on IT everyday for 12 hours.
It ain't like your job, you just make some poorly researched video and some gullible mofo gonna watch and you gonna get that money. Working on IT specially as an engineer is really hard and you should get a PTO. I am happy that my employer provides 18 days of PTO per year. The motivation should be to be skilled in a job and find a company that provides you benefits like PTO.
The last bit about coming in for an 8AM meeting, that is something you need to police as an employee. If the core hours are 9AM to 5PM, and you are requested to come in early, you should be well within your rights to leave early either that day or on Friday. It is very easy to let it slip and let yourself be screwed into working 50 hours a week of unpaid time.
What do rights have to do with it? This person was a salaried employee, so an hour of meeting time would not fall under the umbrella of "unpaid time."
I hate when employers do that. If you are on for 9-5, you are on for 9-5. You shouldn’t even ask for people to come earlier.
@@Involent I said "well within your rights to leave early either that day or on Friday." and that is on you, the employee, to keep track of it and make sure you take it. At the end of the day, you are being paid for 40 hours a week as a salaried employee and you need to make sure you aren't getting screwed over. It's not on your manager. It's not on HR. It's on you.
@@Goodlaw86 Managers are going to manager. It's up to you, the employee, to set boundaries. It's like any relationship, you have to make sure you aren't getting walked all over.
@@murdock94 You don’t know what you are talking about, and you are doling out reckless advice that will get people fired. There is no legal right to work only 40 hours a week when you’re a salaried employee. As a medical resident, I was paid for 40 hours a week, but I was officially scheduled for 80 hours, and most weeks I worked more than that. Being salaried means you stay until the work is done. Sometimes you’re lucky enough to get off at 5 p.m., but often you have to stay late. Then again, some days you get to leave early. If you think you can arbitrarily set your own comp time, though, you will quickly find yourself in the unemployment line.
I still have little sympathy for employers who expect 2 weeks notice when you decide to leave, though they are able to fire you on the spot, and can unravel your entire life. Not giving notice to an employer is a minor inconvenience by comparison
I never understood the backlash to those "day in the life" vlogs. Sure they show a lot of the perks but like, they are also contractually forbidden to show their work so of course you don't see them do stuff.
Like the one shown here: she works from 8:30 to 11:30 with a short break and from 12:00 to 16:30. That's a completely normal white collar work day. She's not a C-level executive, I don't even think she's middle management. She clocks in her 40 hours a week and that's it.
I think Americans just idolize the idea of being busy at all times. You just don't have to live like that.
My retail job quiet fired me just after the holiday season, reducing my full time position of 40 hours a week to a part-time position of 16.
I kept working, and tried picking up extra hours, for about a month to show I was still committed despite the reduced hours.
Unfortunately this didn't help as the company fired me just recently...
"I'm getting laid off. I better record and post this"
Self report 🤔
Female logic
They have to record everything and would sink into a deep depression if social media disappeared
I'm sure these tech jobs will come back. The tech space is not shrinking--but the growing pains are real, and that includes hiring people who are completely unqualified.
They only existed in the first place because of cheap money and investors who chase shiny new things without the due diligence to check that the tech is real and solves a real problem.
@@Beefster09 This unfortunately.
Pump the economy full of fake money and you force the populace to face the consequences
Actually AI is going to eliminate many more of them.
If you're a young man, you should learn a trade. Even "good" tech jobs generally suck anyway. They tend to be extremely corporate and full of garbage people. They also tend to have the wokest of the woke in HR.
There are still tons of jobs. The catch is that the labor supply exploded after a decade of students saw the six-figure salaries and decided to pursue tech. I don't see how that doesn't ultimately push the average tech salary way down as the market approaches equilibrium
They're trying to offshore to india. Especially companies that indians took over, like IBM, Cisco, Microsoft, Google, etc. Import the third world, they export all the jobs to the third world.
So, I'm actually on the employee's side (at 12:50) on this one.
Forget that it was a work out class.
The employee had planned something, *with a fee involved,* and was asked to skip it at the last minute, to do work outside of normal working hours.
The employee valuing his own time and money isn't "quiet quitting," it's work-life balance.
And if your employer wants to stomp all over your personal time when you're a brand new hire... just wait until they've broken you down. There will be an unending demand for your personal time, uncompensated, and unrewarded, because all you're doing is *"meeting expectations."*
I agree, the employee did nothing wrong; the employer is asking for more than what was negotiated. Both parties should either renegotiate or terminate the employment.
If he's an hourly employee. He has to be compensated for the time that he goes in, there is no way around this, it's a law. If he's on an overall wage then part of what he signed is usually an expectation that his work time be somewhat malleable towards getting the work done if necessary, which is why they tend to come with more robust contracts and more comprehensive and sometimes negotiated compensation packages.
And that's all ignoring the fact that if he's got 24 hours notice, which is not last minute (last minute would be like the night before or called early that morning to make the meeting), he's got time to contact the class and see about getting a refund for that week or to reschedule his class participation to a different day. it's not his jobs responsibility to compensate for that expense. This is the same as if he had to cancel the class for something else that might come up that he would have to attend, like a sudden emergency in the family, he shouldn't be asking his family to be compensating him for his workout class that he missed because he attended to the family emergency.
Yeah. Their mistake was saying it was for a workout class. People get petty. Say you made an appointment.
@@SaltyChickenDip There is that too. Say something more important than a workout class, otherwise, particularly as a new employee you are basically saying everything else is more important than the job. Even if that's true, that's not necessarily what you want to tell bosses.
@@Quandry1 If the contract stipulates 9-5, and they demand him to come in at 8, the workplace are the ones violating contract. Simple as. It's fine to ask, but idiotic to expect. Especially at 24h notice. And obviously you should be compensated for it.
in all fairness, if HR agreed his hours don't start until 9....then they agreed to that availability. it's contractual.
and meetings are a work duty. you should always demand to be paid for time spent in meetings if you are hourly.
if you are hourly it's not about demanding that you be paid for them. there is a law stating you have to be. you clock in for those things. he will be compensated. it's only his own cluelessness or his willful ignorance if he doesn't know that.
This mentality is the issue. You think you’re being intelligent but in reality you’re clueless.
His problem isn't that they weren't going to pay him. His problem is that they sprung on him with less than 24 hours notice that he would need to work different hours. He had already made commitments based on what he believed to be his work schedule, and believes that in addition to his time, the company also owes for the non-refundable part of the event he is being forced to miss because the company, not only changed his hours despite being told that he would have regular hours, they also didn't bother to tell him that they would be doing so, say, a week in advance when he would have been far more likely to have been able to reschedule his personal plans without cost.
Honestly, the whole situation seems really badly organized. Sure, it is easy enough to be dismissive of a "gym class". But, it could just as easily have been a medical appointment, dropping kids off at school, etc. Either do the meeting during normal business hours, agree that, say, Tuesdays are "might be early meeting" days, or schedule it weeks in advance. Or, record the meeting and have him watch it later, like they would have had to do if he was on vacation. It is literally impossible to actually be available for meetings 24x7 at one day's notice.
@@zirconiumdiamond1416 It's not being available for meetings 24/7. that's a mischaracterization of the entire situation, And any of the rest of those would have been much better excuses and probably taken better. there is no guarantee the meeting even existed as a thought a week before depending on what work he does, Also, you are reaching when you say that it was necessarily non-refundable. Most things actually aren't non-refundable.
@@Quandry1 he is asking for compensation for the cost of the class because he believes it to be non-refundable.
I mean, there is a halfway decent chance that he could explain the situation and they would let him transfer to a different class without charge. On the other hand, given how many folks are just total flakes, a lot of service providers are getting a lot tougher about their cancellation policies. Especially with less than 24 hours notice.
I almost got a brain aneurysum when she said 1 month paid leave. No wonder she got fired.
A lot of these gaming sites also want to make everything subscription-based. So they can take it away at any given moment. If I'm giving you money to buy something then that means I own it. I shouldn't have to pay a subscription fee to play a game I already paid for.
The tech/gaming/media purge is great
2024 shaping up to be a great year already.
God knows the gaming industry as it exists today could definitely use a rude awakening. Just look at the latest slop in the form of Suicide Squad, I’m actively rooting for the developer to close its doors.
A huge white pill
@@Garrus1995 I doubt WB will shutter Rocksteady entirely, but they'll almost certainly fire a bunch of staff who worked on the game because it being a "live service" means they're not planning a sequel or any meaningful DLC/expansion.
@@Garrus1995The thing with SSKTJL though is it's almost entirely the senior management and writing team's fault. What gameplay exists is generally fine technically (although they weren't allowed enough time to polish everything) and the graphics are largely great. The animations are pretty damn good and the voice work is outstanding. It's not the technical people's fault that the writing is utter trash and it seems that they fundamentally changed the nature of the game daily until about 6 months ago.
Cloud flair girl is so dumb. Ixhave been here for nearly 6 months in sales and closed 0 sales. She acts like December is an off month, i know people in similar sales positions and the same space that get huge deals in December. She is getting fired because she is not good at sales.
Spoken like a corporate bootlicker. These companies over-hired and existed in fantasyland for years.
You have no idea what you're talking about. That's not how it works in tech and in B2B in general.
@samyb2834 okay, sure. I know nothing... wait I do. And I stand by what I said.
No you don't. Thinking that an mid market/ enterprise account executive can close something in 6 months is delusional. The average sales cycle is like 9 months in enterprise when an AE is fully onboarded. Furthermore, NO ONE is doing discovery or shopping for software in December. It's a dead month. Do deal close in December? Sure, when you've been talking to a prospect for 10 months already and you're finalizing the MSA redlining. @@meatbyproducts
"Quiet quitting" was not zoomer speak, it was HR speak meant to shame employees to work harder for no extra pay.
Japan long had a policy of companies not laying off people. They would encourage people to quit instead. In a famous case a company made the target workers sit in a room. They were forbidden from doing anything other than sitting in a room. They could not sleep, read, or work on anything. Most quit. One stayed on for years.
This is the problem with "dream jobs", and why I have stuck to the dredges of jobs my whole life: from the army (rated the worst workplace in america), to nursing in long term care (the third worse workplace in america)...why? Because I will NEVER BE FIRED.
There will never be too many employees, and NO ONE WANTS TO DO THESE JOBS. NO immigrants are coming to take US army jobs, or sewage workers, or nursing in long-term care. I keep my HOBBIES to myself, hate my job and can quit and start tomorrow at a new place, or demand more money next week and get it.
We're generally in agreement on this, but wasn't with you on everything. Like I have a hard time believing that companies coercing people into working beyond the agreed upon schedule was caused by cancel culture, mainly b/c its the natural result you'd expect given the circumstances. Its a pain to change jobs for many reasons, companies can push you very far before you are willing to do it.
I hate those no-life parasites on twitter mobbing their way into unjust action as much as the next guy, but they didn't cause that.
Having been a supervisor that has given bad news to employees, its kinda funny to me when people challenge their layoff. Nothing they are going to say will change the outcome. Are they entitled to an explanation? Sure, but calling the people giving it liars or putting blame/guilt on them for doing their job is an asshole thing to do. An employee's recourse for wrongful termination is litigation, not shitty behavior. Make sure you have your ducks in a row, leave employment respectfully, and proceed as you see fit, but in all likelihood, the HR people doing terminations are not the ones making the decisions, so giving them grief is selfish.
Would be best to just ask for why, ask for a reference, and move on. Anything else will just burn bridges.
you are the system, you deserve worse.
Seriously felt bad for the HR employees, does she not understand that they hate their lives more than any of us?
@@benjaminpiccard you are the system.
For having empathy for HR employees? Okay haha@@HunnysPlaylists
That girl who was hired just before two long holidays and hadn't yet delivered any completed projects probably should've just accepted she was being let go.
Sucks that she has to look for work again, but it was probably a lot easier for that company to cut someone with very little company loyalty and had hardly, if any, work to show for it. Shes unfortunately in an oversaturated job market with too many people qualified to do one specific thing, and that one thing can be very easily replaceable for the next person to continue off from if/when the company decides to scale back. She just happened to join the wrong profession at the wrong time, through no fault of her own, as unforeseen market tides shifted the company's interests to trim off the extra fat of expendable employees.
Rec: Work hard because working hard is worthwhile. Then when your employer does a review, you don't have to catch up. It's a virtue itself and will go with you regardless of if you are welder or tech bro. Or if you're 59.5 and are preserving the IRA for your remaining years. Works in multiple spheres.
There's lots of jobs on the oil rigs and all the trades. Bonus, women are very underrepresented in those fields also so now's your chance to really make a DEI difference ladies! Smash that glass ceiling in the sewage worker and garbage collection fields!
My position was eliminated this week. The bank gave me a great severance, and I was going to retire next year anyway. They were going to ambush me in the morning, but I called in to work from home, and it was a call. As soon as HR was introduced, I ran upstairs, put the phone on speaker and motioned to my wife that I was getting fired. It was an unforgettable moment. Learn to hit the curve. It's just a job.
When there are mass layoffs and they blame performance instead of what's actually happening which is they didn't need the people they hired then you have a for cause termination which can make it that much harder to get unemployment to cover your living expenses while you try and find another job.
performance is usually where they start with mass layoffs to begin with. then they move into the ones that are much harder to lose.
@Quandry1 definitely not in all cases, especially when any sort of merger or buyout happens. We had layoffs after a M&A and they basically looked at the the top salaries and axed from there, then told the survivors to pick up the work. In my case, that was a full team that did the work of 2 people each. They didn't care about performance, but pay.
They kept me because I was the cheapest of the performers, not the highest of performers. Not saying I don't work hard, but I was a fresh-out-of-college greenhorn working with juggernauts that earned their reputation while i was still figuring out how to drive. They had all the metrics and performance reviews and tangible returns and products to prove their worth. I did, too, but nowhere near the volume of these savants with 15+ years on me.
The new owners were just hoping to keep the systems these guys built, that worked incredibly but required skilled labor, running just long enough to buy cookie-cutter replacement ones with none of the functionality but could be manned with cheap India-based contractors. On top of that, they save money on severance by working me like a slave till I burn out and quit instead of having to lay me off. They'll gladly eat the hit to performance to save a few bucks because they're not about performance anymore, but rather profits. And they get more profits from merger and acquisition than from developing an actual product.
Additionally, that gives them ammo to fire me "with cause" when they finish the new systems (if I haven't quit already), cause they'll basically say, "you weren't performing to expected levels of output," completely leaving out the fact that expected levels of output were previously maintained by 10+ highly trained and productive software engineers with over a century of combined coding experience between them all.
It's not all performance, and even when it is, not all performance expectations are realistic...
I have NO idea why Discord needs more than a few developers and maintenance techs and the support structure to employ them.
Apparently, neither does Discord, for that matter. Lol.
Quiet firing is like that one scene in Office Space where the Bobs find out that the stapler guy was laid off years ago but never got the memo yet still received checks; so they "fixed the glitch" and start relocating his desk around until they have him working in the basement killing cockroaches. The bosses then explain that the problem is solved from their end and that it will work itself out, no confrontation needed.
This is what 16 years of ZIRP does. Gen Z doesn’t know what the real word even is.
The thing is "quiet firing" is actually called "constructive dismissal", and in jurisdictions with civilized labour laws it's considered equivalent to termination without cause.
These people are useless. Silicon Valley decided that money is free and 10 engineers need 500 "marketing" employees that can't sell water to an ocean.
12:30 This is one of those AITA situations. The employee isn't in the wrong for wanting to have his personal time to himself, but sometimes you have to be accommodating because other people have different schedules. I feel like he could have asked right then to be paid for that time and/or leave an hour early, but he chose to just say "nah brah I'm coming in at 9." But then the manager cursing him out on tiktok (even in a situation where the public doesn't know who it is, but we see that he did know about it and maybe others at his job did too) is WAY out of bounds for someone in her position and is clearly making a hostile workplace for him and other employees.
Women getting fired: "The fact that i havent closed anything doesnt reflect on my performance." Accountability is their kryptonite lol
2:55 so this lass worked as a salesman, didn't make any sales, and is surprised she gets laid off? Hilarious.
It does depend on how long the sales cycle is. Many tech companies have >6 month sales cycles.
@@Macca-95 I'm sure the company would have this accounted for.
@@TheHalogen131 Perhaps, but it is also quite likely that the company had grown too quickly and were needing to make cuts. I've seen plenty of good salesmen caught up in layoffs. It is just a risk of working in tech.
Though I do have to note that no good salesman would record his layoff and upload it to tiktok for sympathy.
@@Macca-95 Very true
She didn't say she didn't make any sales, though he wording leaves a lot to be desired. To me, it sounds like she's saying that out of the 3 deals, one fell through at the last minute.