I think the one huge advantage of using directional air roll is the ability to turn on more axis than free air roll. There are a lot of instances where you need your car on a certain side of the ball to make the best play, and directional air roll will allow you to not only position on that side, but to turn your car's orientation to also have better position (nose on the ball for example). Sometimes with free air roll, it just isn't possible to do both things simultaneously.
i feel like its kinda chalked tho tbh, being 100x more used to directional vs free going into this - need a video of like "i played 1 month of only free air roll to compare to directional air roll" or something like that (it requires practice to use properly) mad respect for the experiment tho, you're onto something🙌
If we bind directional air roll to a trigger, we can moderate the speed at which we are turning, giving us as much control as free roll. Technically speaking directional on the trigger would be much better than free roll. I've always been better at free roll persnally. The differences in what's "better" probably make little to no difference in most ranks, and personal preference will be much more helpful.
I used to only used Free Air roll up until I hit Grand Champ before I switched to mainly Air roll right. Now I'm definitely more used to directional but I still have all those years of only using free air roll and I think that definitely still allows me to use it with very good control. And after using both for so long and getting good at both I'd still absolutely say directional is the better move. Once you have full control with directional you can move in ways that you just simply can't do while only using free!
@@tenacitytv_ I totally agree but you did the video wrong you only used free air roll on l2 and that was wrong you have to set a directional air roll to the trigger like air roll right or left to control the speed of your spin you only used your direction air roll on l3 you was supposed to put it on l2
@@tenacitytv_ so can you please do a updated test because it was the wrong information and I would really love to see you try it the right way much love my man
Hi, gc1 speaking here using free airroll. I absolutely don’t recommend it because mechanics are way harder to learn. If you’re a low rank please use directional, it’ll help you so much when you’re higher
Gc1 here with 1500 hours and lots of failures. 300hrs alone spent on airroll. Free air roll. Definitely wish I didn't listen to my friend when I was plat. I can do double flip resets but not consistently. So much extra strain on your forearms too lmao. All the thumb movements can give you a nasty carpel tunnel/pain issue 😆
Severely underrated comment. This is literally _the next big thing_ in rocket league. This is what Zen does and I'm shocked that it's getting so much recognition only now. Almost 8 years into the game and people are going to have to switch their controls _yet again_ lmao
@@Stick1Master I think that's a very radical view. If that was the case, it would have happened already. I agree that analog input is better, but top players already control the spin to the touch by simply tapping it on and off.
While directional air roll is definitely better than non directional air roll, it’s fair to say the biggest issue for you is how much more used to directional air roll you are compared to free roll. I’ve been learning directional air roll, and my control is less consistent now without free roll, BUT I am doing some things better when I maintain control, so I’m seeing other benefits already. It’s just constantly uncomfortable. I will say, that as long as you practice directional air roll over time and then just start adding it in here and there, it makes the growing pains a lot less severe and become much easier than just trying to constantly force it, but I also made it GC without it, which I think gave me a good baseline to learn it quickly.
Im Diamond 3 and using free airroll. I feel more comfortable with it because I don‘t get the directional airroll movement. I Hit much doubletaps and stuff like this with free airroll.
i've started to learn like aerial shots from the ground, like double touches, flip resets etc with free air roll. I can't do any of that off of the wall, do you suggest directional air roll?
OK I found my self cracking up at 18min 43 seconds. I rewatched like 3 times to be sure. But I'm pretty sure you were on track to say they seemed so happy. like we not happy let's learn directional air roll. 😂
@@raymondcarter9810 Yeah the people are fine, It’s more that after Gc1 there isnt much to learn anymore, it’s all about getting more and more consistent. And putting in thousands of hours
@iamzacke8318 Yeah, im getting to the burnt out stage but love the game. It's hard to get past this hurdle. As an adult, I don't have hours and hours like the kids do. Maybe play 16 hours a week and 8 of them is dedicated training. Kind of wild. I can learn to be the best at double taps, but then I neglect other areas. Even when I have an all around solid grasp on everything. Wave dashes, ceiling shots, aerials, speed flips, flip resets. At the end of the day, there is someone on the other side with more time and way more consistency. This game is supposed to be goofy and fun. But with all things considered, it does begin to feel like you're climbing a mountain barefooted. Obviously, it's not life threatening, but you get my point. You don't have to respond to this. Ranting. My long tangent. Basically saying I can see where you're coming from
Directional air roll all the way. I only use free air roll for things like wave dashes or very small corrections. There are some aerial maneuvers that just aren’t possible without directional air roll. It makes it so much easier to make the perfect touch. HOWEVER, I’m sure that some people could argue that you can still make the perfect touch using free air roll, but I feel like directional air roll makes it way easier to put yourself in the correct position, or to make those small adjustments in order to put yourself in the correct position.
I've never used free air roll. Always had left and right bound to L1 and L2 since day one. I can't fathom how free air roll even works in comparison. Either way though it doesn't matter. If you grind a set of controls enough, there's no skill limit.
It's a cool way of getting more meticulous touches but I don't really think it's going to be something that becomes "Meta" . Like I don't see current pro players switching to it
You can also do: Air roll right - Right stick right Air roll left - Right stick left Jump - L1 Boost - R1 For the same, if not more control. It’s actually crazy intuitive. The only issue is having to put camera swivel on the thumb buttons. It’s cool to use for fun tho. Also, one thing to note about L2 is that using break affects how your car reacts when getting flip resets. If you hold R2 underneath the ball on a reset, there’s a split second where you slightly drive forward under the ball which can throw off positioning. If you hold L2, you pretty much break, or get “glued” to the ball. It actually helps but it’s just something to note because sometimes I find not using L2 better in certain positions when making contact on a reset.
I must say normal air roll in the short term will get you to do well, and everything is consistent. But finding the angles to touch the ball and feeling like you can reach the ball no matter where it is feels much nicer when you have the access of directional air roll. I HIGHLY recommend putting in the time for directional air roll. The best way I did it was using free play slowing the game to 50% and then observing when I go in the air how I would turn my car to get left and right. Then find out how you can go backwards and forwards, angle the car up and down. And keep doing this for any scenario you might think will be awkward and its soo efficient and fast learning air roll.
@@GroovyCollier Im D3, I have only like 144 hours in the game. But I train mechs for the fun of it. I haven't really taken ranked seriously for me to climb, I barely even play. When I do get on, I play some ranked games with my friends and just train mechs. I learned how to speed flip since Gold 3 lmao. I do know that I am actually committed to climbing with my current skill level, I place myself around C2. This is based on other Champ players I have played with btw.
It may not sound like I am experienced enough but with minimal hours I see a very large difference from normal to directional and in my opinion it's much easier for aerial plays.
@@deleteduser36b2cb28 Go to training, open settings and under the training tab which you will already be under it will have a game speed percentage bar and just adjust it.
I literally ONLY play free air roll, I'm c2, you definitely can be good but I will say I do struggle at times, my boost is B, air roll is X, jump is A, and ball came and free cam is Y all on an Xbox one controller. So the reason it's so difficult is bc my thumb has to be on 3 buttons at one time basically
I've almost made it to champ with free air roll but just started to actually be able to use it on air dribbles and flip resets. I think it's possible to get really good but not to hit top player status with it.
all 3 is the better option i switch between using left right and overall air roll situationally i mainly use left right to orient myself and i use normal for quick accurate adjustments for things like flicks and air dribbles ive played maybe 80 hrs now and im plat so i think im doing pretty alright with it
Something you're neglecting to do with your free air roll vs directional is you're not spinning the entire time. If you watch your rings, you stop spinning and adjust without air rolling every time you get uncomfortable. I think this is subconscious because the critical physical difference between the two is you need to make small inputs and no inputs for directional air roll. For free you constantly make inputs even for a straight z-axis. This inevitably is slowing down your free air roll speed. Think of it as adjustment then returning to neutral just like letting go of directional air roll. In summary, your skill of a 9 vs a 7 is not really a fair representation. You did mention this, I just wanted to add some specifics. I would also like to add for the first test any small change is going to affect your gameplay. I once just decided I was going to pick up more pennies and I immediately de-ranked. As you also mentioned mindset is a large factor in winning and focusing on anything else other than your standard play is going to negatively affect you overall. I enjoyed the attempt and just the fact that you have used both and like directional better is enough for me to be satisfied with the results. Thank you for the video!
Just to clarify for anyone here, free could be harder to master but it gives you a wider sense of freedom, no pun intended. Directional feels locked at which movement set you can do depending on your current movement, with free you can do all aerial styles in one flight if you wanted to. Wouldn't be surprised if all of this would be argued by someone that prefers directional, I think it really comes down to feels, free just feels more in control for me.
While it's probably fair to say that free airroll lets you have more fine control over the exact movement you make, it's objective that there are certain things you cannot do with free that you can do with directional. Directional airroll allows you to keep your left/right turning mid-air while also airrolling, and if you look at zen's controls he actually has directional airroll bound to his triggers, which allows him to fine-tune the speed of his air roll while still maintaining the ability to turn simultaneously. It's generally down to preference, and I think it's still good to have free airroll bound if you're only using 1 directional airroll button, which is how I've been doing it for years, however if I could instantly learn new controls without having to grind new muscle memory, I'd definitely opt to go for how Zen does it, since it seems like the clear winner IMO.
@@To2mo23 zen uses free air roll and air roll left. I’ve tried directional air roll on both triggers and it’s straight impossible not to mess up flips like that lol
Directional is how I learned it. I can’t be assed to learn free air roll and it doesn’t feel like it’s that much of a benefit if any at all. Just more confusing as fuck to learn.
Damn, I been using free since 2015, and air roll right exclusively for half flips, how do I go about getting used to directional air roll in the air? Any tips (from anyone)
Good test idea but the fact you haven't used free air roll in so long is obviously going to be a biased test. You'd need to spend a lot more time practicing free air roll alongside directional air roll to see a valid difference between the two
Logic tells me that air roll at the top levels might hurt you if you use it for no real purpose. If a needed last second direction change to avoid a goalie occurs then do it sure. but if the goals open it will just slow you down. Thats simple logic. ive even seen pros trying to over do things and miss very important shots in tourneys right here youtube. knowledge is knowing how to do an intricate shot, wisdom is knowing when to do it. Listen to his words too, not just what you're watching. Its actually more important
Considering lethamyr just uses free air roll Id assume you could get really good with free air roll plus I use it because leth inspired me to not follow the norm and use it
You can get to pro level with just normal air roll (alpha54 being a good example of a pro, a mechanical one at that too) but the skill ceiling is simply higher with directional. Certain movements you can't replicate with normala air roll so it's in everyone's best interest to implement directional asap too
You can do the functional equivalent of a tornado spin with free air roll if you feather the air roll button while holding left/right on the left thumbstick
Interesting. As a GC2ish player that uses free air roll, I never paid any attention to that. I do think that free air roll can be vary viable if you are used to it. Tenacity has a bit of bias here because his muscle memory is with directional air roll. I don't blame him.
I’m kinda like you I’m only using free air roll but (think) that I want to switch I just can’t get a grip on how to use directional air roll, are there any tips you can give me? And as a long shot could you train me?
I’d also like to highlight on Tenacity’s point of “the less you care about winning, the better off you’ll be.” I totally agree with this. About a year ago, I used to only play competitive and it would put me in a bad mind state. I would focus too much on my rank, feel pressured to win a game in order to grind MMR and my play style would suffer because of my mind state. Ever since then, I’ve turned off ranks and mmr in bakkesmod and have focused strictly on my mechanics, my opponents mechanics and not getting in my own head about what a person may or may not be capable of depending on their rank. I’ve been only playing casual for the last year but I went from being diamond 2 or 3 last year to consistently going against players with GC titles (don’t know what rank I’m playing in) but the skill level is much higher than what I used to play and it all came from just focusing purely on mechanics and nothing else.
One thing I will say with free air roll your sensitivity is gonna play a big part if that’s all you’re gonna use like you don’t wanna use really high sense with free air roll
@@CactousMan639 I would try to lower your sense I use 1.3 on both but with a .05 dead zone the lower sense helps you get better first touches when you’re in the air and doing air dribbles and stuff (once you get more time in the game you’ll learn all of that the game really is time based just gotta put time into it)
Im pretty much ssl currently gc3 div 4 and i only use free roll and directional airoll for half flips, In my opinion use what you feel comfortable with there is no right or wrong
Yeah it’s hard to say with this experiment being that you’ve put thousands of hours into directional air roll… give free air roll a thousand hours and then we’ll see.
1000 hours with directional air roll is always going to feel better than what little practice you have with free air roll. More than 5 times you tried to use directional (which was unbinded) and gave the ball away, showing it's in your instinct to use it. Give free air roll something like 100 hours practice and then we can have a look at some relevant data
Personally I prefer directional air roll but there is a few freestylers that use free air roll take tornado for example I'm pretty sure he uses free air roll but you have 5k+ hrs of directional air roll but if you started free air roll and still did free air roll than you would say the opposite but the reason it was hard is because you have 5k+ hrs of directional. Same for me I have 1.1k hours with derectional so it's hard but in conclusion which ever you have most practice in you'll be better in.
Hey Tenacity as a gc2/3 player who uses free air roll i feel like this wasnt really a good comparison since you have no experience using it mostly i feel like the skill ceiling of the free airroll is higher than the directional one
I’m GC and only use free air roll. When I got into playing I started with directional air roll.. some dude told me it’s trash and I should just play with the free one. So here i am stuck with mechanics sooo bad
Im champ 2 and i have just started using directional air roll. Trust me it is so much more control with directional air roll. Im still getting used to it but i have way more control with directional air roll.
Been trying to learn directional air roll for a while now and although I have some control, anything I can do with directional air I can still do better with free air roll😔
free air roll is best used to shift direction in air for me if I want to go left or right making lots of small adjustments. A good test would be just to fly around the field with the ball in the center. If I want to go clockwise or counter clockwise. Its easier, but with directional air roll it can be harder. Its like looking left but going right. try out the training pack uncomfortable saves rocketleauge is not just shot attempts strong defense leads a great offense.
Huh ive never thought it mattered very much, I always had both left and right air roll bound since I was silver and now I have really good car control since I can use both (I’m champ 2 btw) I thought everyone did that but I guess not
bind your directional air roll to l2 Instead of l3 when you slowly push the l2 trigger it makes you spin slowly and the more you push the trigger in the faster the air roll spin that’s what the debate is about because you can ease into a air dribble then speed up with directional air roll
I totally agree but you did the video wrong you only used free air roll on l2 and that was wrong you have to set a directional air roll to the trigger like air roll right or left to control the speed of your spin you only used your direction air roll on l3 you was supposed to put it on l2
I tried it and it makes a difference but i’m only diamond 2 so it really doesn’t do much but I would want to see how you would do with it in a updated video
I can do flip resets and double ones. Free air roll. But they arent as pretty as directional people. GC btw. Issue is, which you'll see; half flips are so much harder. Getting the perfect touch after the reset is harder. If you haven't spent hundreds of hours on free air roll yet, don't. Use directional(coming from someone who only uses free). Alot less strain on the hands too
Im confused, how are you using air roll left on kickoff? I see you holding it down but youre still flipping in the same direction that your joystick is pointed (left). Isn't the point of using air roll on kickoff so that you can pre right turn AND get the air flip joystick angle in the same direction? Aka hold joystick right but flip left because the air roll left adds 45(?) degrees of left input?
GC 2 here who uses free air roll. The key to good car control is actually becoming comfortable with both free air roll and directional. I use free air roll when approaching aerial hits and when I'm looking to shoot the ball on net, and I use directional air roll for first touches, air dribbles, and half flips. I even use directional air roll to tornado spin last second on aerial hits to give me a stronger hit on the ball. Doing so barely sticks your corner out and get less surface area on the ball. When it comes to gaining flip resets or weird touches on the ball to get around defenders, I use free air roll because it is the most comfortable to me. I actually use free air roll and directional when air dribbling. In order to get the ball where I want it, I use free air roll and then use directional air roll once it is locked on my car.
@@antoineblondel8134On a PlayStation controller I have X as jump, square as free air roll and power slide, circle is boost, and triangle is ball cam. I use my thumb to press all of these when I need to, meaning that sometimes I press all of these at once with just my thumb. And I have air roll right bound to R1. These bindings work for me because they were the standard settings when I picked up the game in 2015. However it may be better to put boost/power slide on L1 but I’m too used to the fat finger method.
@@burnout7166 yeah I get you thanks! I'm currently C1 and I have always been using free air roll but I'm trying to switch to right air roll and that's why I'm asking around. Tbf I've no idea how to switch hahaha. Like it seems so unnatural to rotate automatically and not by myself but I guess it ll be better on the long run
I think its about peoples choise.. Its like right and left foot at soccer, so if you are left kicker it doesnt mean you are better that player with right shoot :) Good video tho
this comparison makes no sense, you played 1 game with your regular bindings, then a second with only free direction air roll, WHICH you don't ever use as your main air roll, no matter how this video ends its just a useless video
Im not at all good, im plat - diamond. But ive managed to be really well with free air roll. Im a but ass but ive hit a frw double taps, ceilling shots. And im ore consistent with air dribble. I never knew if that was just normal or very unique??
I'd blame the bad plays on you trying to use free air roll like directional air roll, it's a whole different playstyle that requires different movements and tactics. You basically just put free air roll on and were trying to play in a directional air roll style with it. That's not how we freeroll mains do it. Good on you for trying it but if it's not for you then it's not for you.
That was also set my airroll to l3 when i fisrt started playing, but after going through two controllers with the same stick drift problem, I knew I had to change. I've had it in r2 and l2 meanwhile and non of them feel as good. Too bad I'm not rich
What a waste of everybody's time. You didn't go into detail or test the actual limitations of both, didn't discuss the advantages each have, and based the whole video on anecdotal feelings between the two when you have far more experience in one over the other. Might as well make another video on which is better- hitting the ball soft or hard
kinda bad video to make cause it is not possible to accurately compare these 2 when ur someone who has been using directional for a while and haven't used free air roll in a while, who would have thought ur gonna be good with directional and bad with free roll, if i make a huge change like this it will take me week or longer to get used to it let alone be good at it, people like alpha54 use free roll and i'd say he is pretty good
Over 2k hours and never learned directional.... I feel like i need hypnotherapy to learn directional at this point, it feels impossible... why the need for constant spinning? i dont get it, getting old...
Thanks for the content, but obviously, it's extremely biased. Find someone at your rank or close that only uses free air roll then make a video. This video was a complete waste of time.
I don’t think you should use yourself as an example. Maybe you VS someone else who’s used free air roll the same amount of time you’ve used directional and 1v1 or compare
Directional air roll is better and tryin to learn it, but it's gonna be a long time till i reach the level i have with a free roll, i have thousands of hours of that. 😅
A video idea. Put a player who strictly uses free air roll against a player with directional im a free air roll only player d3 and i feel just as good as other people
Ok so you use directional air roll you’re not a good candidate for the free roll test you need to find someone who uses free air roll all the time and have them vs you aerial wise
IMO it's best to use free air roll for possibilities and directional for consistency. However, I believe free air roll is better if you can master it given its possibilities for switch ups.
technically speaking, free roll gives you more subtle control as well as being easy to learn (being able to move the joystick more/less giving you more control over speed of the free roll). Directional input gives you more efficiency (left +neutral left in only 1 press of a button) but you can't control speed. Thanovic just released a video, and people have been putting directional air roll on the TRIGGER. This gives directional air roll the same control as free roll, making it better (only on triggers). Plus you can do a weird neutral jump while twisting, may be a new movement tech who knows. Please lmk if you agree/disagree! Tenacity you need to switch your binds! Lol
Yeah I still use both types of air roll but I used them at different times. I'll use free air roll for small and precise movements and air roll right for control in the air or recoveries
@TenacityTv I don't know if I have the patience to make such a big switch but swapping the directional to the trigger could be huge for the precise movements, since youre already goated at it. I loved directional air roll on my left stick for half flips but idk how you do it all the time like that lol.
Binding air roll to triggers was enough for me to decide I don't need free air roll anymore. I only used free roll for recoveries / wave dashes since learning directional air roll anyway. There's definitely a learning curve with timing trigger release so you aren't still holding brake / accelerate when you land if you don't want to be but I feel like it's much better for my movement in the long run.
4:54 yeah this. I never give a peepeepoopoo about win or lose, my lifetime is precious so i play for fun when i can play. i queue immediately for rank because casual is garbo. c2 right now i think although mightve gone back down to c1 at this point idk. Point is, its a video game, i play for fun. Also I barely roll. straight air with minor rolls when needed, it's not pretty but it works for now.
Does this even apply to Keyboard and Mouse players? I have air roll left and right on Mouse button 4 and 5. I always thought this made PC players to have better advantage over just one air roll direction?
I think the one huge advantage of using directional air roll is the ability to turn on more axis than free air roll. There are a lot of instances where you need your car on a certain side of the ball to make the best play, and directional air roll will allow you to not only position on that side, but to turn your car's orientation to also have better position (nose on the ball for example). Sometimes with free air roll, it just isn't possible to do both things simultaneously.
i feel like its kinda chalked tho tbh, being 100x more used to directional vs free going into this - need a video of like "i played 1 month of only free air roll to compare to directional air roll" or something like that (it requires practice to use properly)
mad respect for the experiment tho, you're onto something🙌
i was going to say the same thing
If we bind directional air roll to a trigger, we can moderate the speed at which we are turning, giving us as much control as free roll. Technically speaking directional on the trigger would be much better than free roll. I've always been better at free roll persnally. The differences in what's "better" probably make little to no difference in most ranks, and personal preference will be much more helpful.
I used to only used Free Air roll up until I hit Grand Champ before I switched to mainly Air roll right. Now I'm definitely more used to directional but I still have all those years of only using free air roll and I think that definitely still allows me to use it with very good control. And after using both for so long and getting good at both I'd still absolutely say directional is the better move. Once you have full control with directional you can move in ways that you just simply can't do while only using free!
@@tenacitytv_ I totally agree but you did the video wrong you only used free air roll on l2 and that was wrong you have to set a directional air roll to the trigger like air roll right or left to control the speed of your spin you only used your direction air roll on l3 you was supposed to put it on l2
@@tenacitytv_ so can you please do a updated test because it was the wrong information and I would really love to see you try it the right way much love my man
Hi, gc1 speaking here using free airroll. I absolutely don’t recommend it because mechanics are way harder to learn. If you’re a low rank please use directional, it’ll help you so much when you’re higher
Im champ, and Im also using free air roll, I cant taught myself directional one... but I think I will need to force myself to improve
Gc1 here with 1500 hours and lots of failures. 300hrs alone spent on airroll. Free air roll. Definitely wish I didn't listen to my friend when I was plat. I can do double flip resets but not consistently. So much extra strain on your forearms too lmao. All the thumb movements can give you a nasty carpel tunnel/pain issue 😆
Try binding directional air roll to your triggers, the more you push down the faster it spins and the slower you push gone the slower it spins.
Severely underrated comment. This is literally _the next big thing_ in rocket league. This is what Zen does and I'm shocked that it's getting so much recognition only now. Almost 8 years into the game and people are going to have to switch their controls _yet again_ lmao
@@Stick1Master I think that's a very radical view. If that was the case, it would have happened already. I agree that analog input is better, but top players already control the spin to the touch by simply tapping it on and off.
Someone count how many times he says airroll😂
he done 14 in the intro i think
u tik 1:05
I lost track around 8 lol
90 (+-1)
No cap, counted it
Also Tenacity, nobody ever said you have to constantly spin with free air roll. I feel like having simpler inputs is an advantage of free air roll
you dont have to , but spinning makes you reach the ball faster, so you would want to
@Saveli Amaru šAKA no it doesn't boost makes u reach the ball faster spinning is to slow ur car down and get softer or harder touches on the ball
What's your rank?
While directional air roll is definitely better than non directional air roll, it’s fair to say the biggest issue for you is how much more used to directional air roll you are compared to free roll.
I’ve been learning directional air roll, and my control is less consistent now without free roll, BUT I am doing some things better when I maintain control, so I’m seeing other benefits already. It’s just constantly uncomfortable.
I will say, that as long as you practice directional air roll over time and then just start adding it in here and there, it makes the growing pains a lot less severe and become much easier than just trying to constantly force it, but I also made it GC without it, which I think gave me a good baseline to learn it quickly.
Im Diamond 3 and using free airroll. I feel more comfortable with it because I don‘t get the directional airroll movement. I Hit much doubletaps and stuff like this with free airroll.
i've started to learn like aerial shots from the ground, like double touches, flip resets etc with free air roll. I can't do any of that off of the wall, do you suggest directional air roll?
that wont change anything, just keep practicing and youll be better
OK I found my self cracking up at 18min 43 seconds. I rewatched like 3 times to be sure. But I'm pretty sure you were on track to say they seemed so happy. like we not happy let's learn directional air roll. 😂
I always use air roll right, sometimes I just instinctively use free air roll though
Since 2016, i've only used air roll left and right. Never really tried free air roll cause the concept just seemed so inefficient to me.
What rank are you currently? I Love the game so far
@@raymondcarter9810 I quit the game, reached mid GC2 but lost the passion for it
@@iamzacke damn. I just started Dec 2020 and hit a wall at gc1. If you ever want to come back. There are still good people around 😊
@@raymondcarter9810 Yeah the people are fine, It’s more that after Gc1 there isnt much to learn anymore, it’s all about getting more and more consistent. And putting in thousands of hours
@iamzacke8318 Yeah, im getting to the burnt out stage but love the game. It's hard to get past this hurdle. As an adult, I don't have hours and hours like the kids do. Maybe play 16 hours a week and 8 of them is dedicated training. Kind of wild. I can learn to be the best at double taps, but then I neglect other areas. Even when I have an all around solid grasp on everything. Wave dashes, ceiling shots, aerials, speed flips, flip resets. At the end of the day, there is someone on the other side with more time and way more consistency. This game is supposed to be goofy and fun. But with all things considered, it does begin to feel like you're climbing a mountain barefooted. Obviously, it's not life threatening, but you get my point. You don't have to respond to this. Ranting. My long tangent. Basically saying I can see where you're coming from
Directional air roll all the way. I only use free air roll for things like wave dashes or very small corrections.
There are some aerial maneuvers that just aren’t possible without directional air roll. It makes it so much easier to make the perfect touch. HOWEVER, I’m sure that some people could argue that you can still make the perfect touch using free air roll, but I feel like directional air roll makes it way easier to put yourself in the correct position, or to make those small adjustments in order to put yourself in the correct position.
Im Champ 2 and i cant directional air Roll idk how it works, i cant Control the ball in the air.
@darioleone3183 nobody does till they practice a lot
I've never used free air roll. Always had left and right bound to L1 and L2 since day one. I can't fathom how free air roll even works in comparison. Either way though it doesn't matter. If you grind a set of controls enough, there's no skill limit.
Zen puts his air roll on his trigger so he can control the speed of the spin and can get crazy control do you think it will be meta?
It's a cool way of getting more meticulous touches but I don't really think it's going to be something that becomes "Meta" . Like I don't see current pro players switching to it
It's not necessary no
You can also do:
Air roll right - Right stick right
Air roll left - Right stick left
Jump - L1
Boost - R1
For the same, if not more control. It’s actually crazy intuitive. The only issue is having to put camera swivel on the thumb buttons. It’s cool to use for fun tho.
Also, one thing to note about L2 is that using break affects how your car reacts when getting flip resets. If you hold R2 underneath the ball on a reset, there’s a split second where you slightly drive forward under the ball which can throw off positioning. If you hold L2, you pretty much break, or get “glued” to the ball. It actually helps but it’s just something to note because sometimes I find not using L2 better in certain positions when making contact on a reset.
I must say normal air roll in the short term will get you to do well, and everything is consistent. But finding the angles to touch the ball and feeling like you can reach the ball no matter where it is feels much nicer when you have the access of directional air roll. I HIGHLY recommend putting in the time for directional air roll. The best way I did it was using free play slowing the game to 50% and then observing when I go in the air how I would turn my car to get left and right. Then find out how you can go backwards and forwards, angle the car up and down. And keep doing this for any scenario you might think will be awkward and its soo efficient and fast learning air roll.
What's your rank? No knock, just curious from a GC with 3000 hours of free air roll
@@GroovyCollier Im D3, I have only like 144 hours in the game. But I train mechs for the fun of it. I haven't really taken ranked seriously for me to climb, I barely even play. When I do get on, I play some ranked games with my friends and just train mechs. I learned how to speed flip since Gold 3 lmao. I do know that I am actually committed to climbing with my current skill level, I place myself around C2. This is based on other Champ players I have played with btw.
It may not sound like I am experienced enough but with minimal hours I see a very large difference from normal to directional and in my opinion it's much easier for aerial plays.
@@fishyrishy788how do u slow to 50%?
@@deleteduser36b2cb28 Go to training, open settings and under the training tab which you will already be under it will have a game speed percentage bar and just adjust it.
I literally ONLY play free air roll, I'm c2, you definitely can be good but I will say I do struggle at times, my boost is B, air roll is X, jump is A, and ball came and free cam is Y all on an Xbox one controller. So the reason it's so difficult is bc my thumb has to be on 3 buttons at one time basically
I've almost made it to champ with free air roll but just started to actually be able to use it on air dribbles and flip resets. I think it's possible to get really good but not to hit top player status with it.
all 3 is the better option i switch between using left right and overall air roll situationally i mainly use left right to orient myself and i use normal for quick accurate adjustments for things like flicks and air dribbles ive played maybe 80 hrs now and im plat so i think im doing pretty alright with it
Props to Tenacity for the long way he has gone
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Got the heart but asking for a pin is meh
Something you're neglecting to do with your free air roll vs directional is you're not spinning the entire time. If you watch your rings, you stop spinning and adjust without air rolling every time you get uncomfortable. I think this is subconscious because the critical physical difference between the two is you need to make small inputs and no inputs for directional air roll. For free you constantly make inputs even for a straight z-axis. This inevitably is slowing down your free air roll speed. Think of it as adjustment then returning to neutral just like letting go of directional air roll. In summary, your skill of a 9 vs a 7 is not really a fair representation. You did mention this, I just wanted to add some specifics.
I would also like to add for the first test any small change is going to affect your gameplay. I once just decided I was going to pick up more pennies and I immediately de-ranked. As you also mentioned mindset is a large factor in winning and focusing on anything else other than your standard play is going to negatively affect you overall.
I enjoyed the attempt and just the fact that you have used both and like directional better is enough for me to be satisfied with the results. Thank you for the video!
I've only used Free Roll all throughout my time playing rocket league. Yup. We got it tough sometimes.
Just to clarify for anyone here, free could be harder to master but it gives you a wider sense of freedom, no pun intended. Directional feels locked at which movement set you can do depending on your current movement, with free you can do all aerial styles in one flight if you wanted to. Wouldn't be surprised if all of this would be argued by someone that prefers directional, I think it really comes down to feels, free just feels more in control for me.
While it's probably fair to say that free airroll lets you have more fine control over the exact movement you make, it's objective that there are certain things you cannot do with free that you can do with directional. Directional airroll allows you to keep your left/right turning mid-air while also airrolling, and if you look at zen's controls he actually has directional airroll bound to his triggers, which allows him to fine-tune the speed of his air roll while still maintaining the ability to turn simultaneously.
It's generally down to preference, and I think it's still good to have free airroll bound if you're only using 1 directional airroll button, which is how I've been doing it for years, however if I could instantly learn new controls without having to grind new muscle memory, I'd definitely opt to go for how Zen does it, since it seems like the clear winner IMO.
@@To2mo23 zen uses free air roll and air roll left. I’ve tried directional air roll on both triggers and it’s straight impossible not to mess up flips like that lol
WAIT UNTIL YOU DING DONGS FIND OUT THOSE ''MOVE'' BINDINGS (not the normal ones, the ones way at the end of the keybinds list)
Directional air roll on the right stick best of both
For these who are wondering he used the Word: „AirRoll“
About 90 times in a 20 minute long Video
Directional is how I learned it. I can’t be assed to learn free air roll and it doesn’t feel like it’s that much of a benefit if any at all. Just more confusing as fuck to learn.
Damn, I been using free since 2015, and air roll right exclusively for half flips, how do I go about getting used to directional air roll in the air? Any tips (from anyone)
Same
Good test idea but the fact you haven't used free air roll in so long is obviously going to be a biased test. You'd need to spend a lot more time practicing free air roll alongside directional air roll to see a valid difference between the two
I’m between c1 and c2, and still use free air roll, I’m not the best but after a while you get fairly used to it
Logic tells me that air roll at the top levels might hurt you if you use it for no real purpose. If a needed last second direction change to avoid a goalie occurs then do it sure. but if the goals open it will just slow you down. Thats simple logic. ive even seen pros trying to over do things and miss very important shots in tourneys right here youtube. knowledge is knowing how to do an intricate shot, wisdom is knowing when to do it. Listen to his words too, not just what you're watching. Its actually more important
"Binded" *BOUND*
Considering lethamyr just uses free air roll Id assume you could get really good with free air roll plus I use it because leth inspired me to not follow the norm and use it
You can get to pro level with just normal air roll (alpha54 being a good example of a pro, a mechanical one at that too) but the skill ceiling is simply higher with directional. Certain movements you can't replicate with normala air roll so it's in everyone's best interest to implement directional asap too
@@Stick1Master that’s if they’re trying to go pro not everyone plays to go pro some of us play just for fun and to just learn and climb the ranks
You can do the functional equivalent of a tornado spin with free air roll if you feather the air roll button while holding left/right on the left thumbstick
Interesting. As a GC2ish player that uses free air roll, I never paid any attention to that. I do think that free air roll can be vary viable if you are used to it. Tenacity has a bit of bias here because his muscle memory is with directional air roll. I don't blame him.
I’m kinda like you I’m only using free air roll but (think) that I want to switch I just can’t get a grip on how to use directional air roll, are there any tips you can give me? And as a long shot could you train me?
I’d also like to highlight on Tenacity’s point of “the less you care about winning, the better off you’ll be.” I totally agree with this.
About a year ago, I used to only play competitive and it would put me in a bad mind state. I would focus too much on my rank, feel pressured to win a game in order to grind MMR and my play style would suffer because of my mind state.
Ever since then, I’ve turned off ranks and mmr in bakkesmod and have focused strictly on my mechanics, my opponents mechanics and not getting in my own head about what a person may or may not be capable of depending on their rank. I’ve been only playing casual for the last year but I went from being diamond 2 or 3 last year to consistently going against players with GC titles (don’t know what rank I’m playing in) but the skill level is much higher than what I used to play and it all came from just focusing purely on mechanics and nothing else.
That's sick. Keep up the work man.
Anyone notice that his teammate from the first game was on the opposing team the second
ive been ssl using free airroll and never touched directional and usually sit in gc2-3
Can you do a vid of your controls. I want to see how much better urs then mine is rn.
One thing I will say with free air roll your sensitivity is gonna play a big part if that’s all you’re gonna use like you don’t wanna use really high sense with free air roll
Well, I use high sense with free air-roll without an issue D= (still a noob player, though).
@@CactousMan639 I would try to lower your sense I use 1.3 on both but with a .05 dead zone the lower sense helps you get better first touches when you’re in the air and doing air dribbles and stuff (once you get more time in the game you’ll learn all of that the game really is time based just gotta put time into it)
Thanks man. You answered my questions and thank you again for all the tips you give us.
I am an air roll right and left user myself
I just want to find a SSL who hasnt used Directional airroll. Its possible to do.
Im pretty much ssl currently gc3 div 4 and i only use free roll and directional airoll for half flips, In my opinion use what you feel comfortable with there is no right or wrong
Talking sh.. u know saying something 😂😂 11:54
Yeah it’s hard to say with this experiment being that you’ve put thousands of hours into directional air roll… give free air roll a thousand hours and then we’ll see.
1000 hours with directional air roll is always going to feel better than what little practice you have with free air roll. More than 5 times you tried to use directional (which was unbinded) and gave the ball away, showing it's in your instinct to use it. Give free air roll something like 100 hours practice and then we can have a look at some relevant data
Definitely a bias I noticed. Harmless and not meant with ill intent, but still clearly biased. You're right. Data is not concrete enough.
Personally I prefer directional air roll but there is a few freestylers that use free air roll take tornado for example I'm pretty sure he uses free air roll but you have 5k+ hrs of directional air roll but if you started free air roll and still did free air roll than you would say the opposite but the reason it was hard is because you have 5k+ hrs of directional. Same for me I have 1.1k hours with derectional so it's hard but in conclusion which ever you have most practice in you'll be better in.
Hey Tenacity as a gc2/3 player who uses free air roll i feel like this wasnt really a good comparison since you have no experience using it mostly i feel like the skill ceiling of the free airroll is higher than the directional one
I’m GC and only use free air roll. When I got into playing I started with directional air roll.. some dude told me it’s trash and I should just play with the free one. So here i am stuck with mechanics sooo bad
You should try air roll left/right on your left trigger so that you have access to dynamic air roll, which you can control how fast you roll
Nice video keep up the good work 👍
Im champ 2 and i have just started using directional air roll. Trust me it is so much more control with directional air roll. Im still getting used to it but i have way more control with directional air roll.
Been trying to learn directional air roll for a while now and although I have some control, anything I can do with directional air I can still do better with free air roll😔
free air roll is best used to shift direction in air for me if I want to go left or right making lots of small adjustments. A good test would be just to fly around the field with the ball in the center. If I want to go clockwise or counter clockwise. Its easier, but with directional air roll it can be harder. Its like looking left but going right. try out the training pack uncomfortable saves rocketleauge is not just shot attempts strong defense leads a great offense.
Huh ive never thought it mattered very much, I always had both left and right air roll bound since I was silver and now I have really good car control since I can use both (I’m champ 2 btw) I thought everyone did that but I guess not
DIRECTIONAL AIR ROLLLLL
hi ~ what are your thoughts on air roll left/right on L2? So your air roll is dynamic instead of just always full speed rotating?
i tried to tell him hopefully he gives us a updated video because this was the wrong concept of the debate
it could be useful I tried it but i’m diamond 2 so who knows if it helps mes
Gives more control, can't hurt
@@Keyowick bro chill. youre in everyones comments crying
@@ethanfinch6899 why you even say something to me lol
It doesnt look smooth but its useful when you are free roll :D
bind your directional air roll to l2 Instead of l3 when you slowly push the l2 trigger it makes you spin slowly and the more you push the trigger in the faster the air roll spin that’s what the debate is about because you can ease into a air dribble then speed up with directional air roll
I totally agree but you did the video wrong you only used free air roll on l2 and that was wrong you have to set a directional air roll to the trigger like air roll right or left to control the speed of your spin you only used your direction air roll on l3 you was supposed to put it on l2
I tried it and it makes a difference but i’m only diamond 2 so it really doesn’t do much but I would want to see how you would do with it in a updated video
Can somebody help get his attention I would love a updated video for the guys
I’ve only ever used free air roll. Only played the game consistently for 2 years. Peaked at champ 2 so far. No flip resets.
I can do flip resets and double ones. Free air roll. But they arent as pretty as directional people. GC btw. Issue is, which you'll see; half flips are so much harder. Getting the perfect touch after the reset is harder. If you haven't spent hundreds of hours on free air roll yet, don't. Use directional(coming from someone who only uses free). Alot less strain on the hands too
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I can use only free air roll lol
this tells me to do directional airbroll nown😂
I use left and right air roll but I'm pretty bad at the moment
I’ve been using free air roll forever and now I’m champ. Is it to late to switch to directional?
Im confused, how are you using air roll left on kickoff? I see you holding it down but youre still flipping in the same direction that your joystick is pointed (left). Isn't the point of using air roll on kickoff so that you can pre right turn AND get the air flip joystick angle in the same direction? Aka hold joystick right but flip left because the air roll left adds 45(?) degrees of left input?
GC 2 here who uses free air roll. The key to good car control is actually becoming comfortable with both free air roll and directional. I use free air roll when approaching aerial hits and when I'm looking to shoot the ball on net, and I use directional air roll for first touches, air dribbles, and half flips. I even use directional air roll to tornado spin last second on aerial hits to give me a stronger hit on the ball. Doing so barely sticks your corner out and get less surface area on the ball. When it comes to gaining flip resets or weird touches on the ball to get around defenders, I use free air roll because it is the most comfortable to me. I actually use free air roll and directional when air dribbling. In order to get the ball where I want it, I use free air roll and then use directional air roll once it is locked on my car.
I’m in C3 and I’ve never once used directional air roll, wonder what could’ve been if I started off using it 😂
Same for me man
Hey man
What are your bindings if you don't mind? 😊
@@antoineblondel8134On a PlayStation controller I have X as jump, square as free air roll and power slide, circle is boost, and triangle is ball cam. I use my thumb to press all of these when I need to, meaning that sometimes I press all of these at once with just my thumb. And I have air roll right bound to R1. These bindings work for me because they were the standard settings when I picked up the game in 2015. However it may be better to put boost/power slide on L1 but I’m too used to the fat finger method.
@@burnout7166 yeah I get you thanks!
I'm currently C1 and I have always been using free air roll but I'm trying to switch to right air roll and that's why I'm asking around. Tbf I've no idea how to switch hahaha. Like it seems so unnatural to rotate automatically and not by myself but I guess it ll be better on the long run
I’m currently Grand Champ 1 and I use free roll
I got GC with free air roll
I only learned Directional Air Roll. Should I just not bother with free air roll?
I think its about peoples choise.. Its like right and left foot at soccer, so if you are left kicker it doesnt mean you are better that player with right shoot :) Good video tho
this comparison makes no sense, you played 1 game with your regular bindings, then a second with only free direction air roll, WHICH you don't ever use as your main air roll, no matter how this video ends its just a useless video
im c2 and i use free air roll idk if im going to switch back or not
Im not at all good, im plat - diamond. But ive managed to be really well with free air roll. Im a but ass but ive hit a frw double taps, ceilling shots. And im ore consistent with air dribble. I never knew if that was just normal or very unique??
I'd blame the bad plays on you trying to use free air roll like directional air roll, it's a whole different playstyle that requires different movements and tactics. You basically just put free air roll on and were trying to play in a directional air roll style with it. That's not how we freeroll mains do it. Good on you for trying it but if it's not for you then it's not for you.
That was also set my airroll to l3 when i fisrt started playing, but after going through two controllers with the same stick drift problem, I knew I had to change. I've had it in r2 and l2 meanwhile and non of them feel as good. Too bad I'm not rich
What a waste of everybody's time. You didn't go into detail or test the actual limitations of both, didn't discuss the advantages each have, and based the whole video on anecdotal feelings between the two when you have far more experience in one over the other. Might as well make another video on which is better- hitting the ball soft or hard
kinda bad video to make cause it is not possible to accurately compare these 2 when ur someone who has been using directional for a while and haven't used free air roll in a while, who would have thought ur gonna be good with directional and bad with free roll, if i make a huge change like this it will take me week or longer to get used to it let alone be good at it, people like alpha54 use free roll and i'd say he is pretty good
Over 2k hours and never learned directional.... I feel like i need hypnotherapy to learn directional at this point, it feels impossible... why the need for constant spinning? i dont get it, getting old...
New vid yay bro love your content
Thanks for the content, but obviously, it's extremely biased. Find someone at your rank or close that only uses free air roll then make a video. This video was a complete waste of time.
I don’t think you should use yourself as an example. Maybe you VS someone else who’s used free air roll the same amount of time you’ve used directional and 1v1 or compare
Did nobody notice that he got put into 4 matches with the ^ ^ guy in competitive
Why is he tapping R1 while doing his aerials?
HEY TENA IF YOU COME ACROSS THIS . Would you mind telling me if there is a way that i can find that ghost gaming skin you have for the octane.
The one with your name on it
I played before directional air roll and never switched... tried to but it was to difficult, I got to accustom to free roll
Directional air roll is better and tryin to learn it, but it's gonna be a long time till i reach the level i have with a free roll, i have thousands of hours of that. 😅
A video idea. Put a player who strictly uses free air roll against a player with directional im a free air roll only player d3 and i feel just as good as other people
Ok so you use directional air roll you’re not a good candidate for the free roll test you need to find someone who uses free air roll all the time and have them vs you aerial wise
IMO it's best to use free air roll for possibilities and directional for consistency.
However, I believe free air roll is better if you can master it given its possibilities for switch ups.
Anyone else use both directional? I’m C1 and using both feels way better than one and free
he is using free air roll wrong he is treating free air roll still like air roll right and thats why its messing him up and leaving him akward
I mean I feel like if you practice one way your obviously going to be better at doing it that way
Really though it's preference I think it's what you're more used to.
6:43 lol the only time i touch free air roll is on speed kickoffs, opposite of what you do, curious
technically speaking, free roll gives you more subtle control as well as being easy to learn (being able to move the joystick more/less giving you more control over speed of the free roll). Directional input gives you more efficiency (left +neutral left in only 1 press of a button) but you can't control speed. Thanovic just released a video, and people have been putting directional air roll on the TRIGGER. This gives directional air roll the same control as free roll, making it better (only on triggers). Plus you can do a weird neutral jump while twisting, may be a new movement tech who knows. Please lmk if you agree/disagree! Tenacity you need to switch your binds! Lol
Yeah I still use both types of air roll but I used them at different times. I'll use free air roll for small and precise movements and air roll right for control in the air or recoveries
@TenacityTv I don't know if I have the patience to make such a big switch but swapping the directional to the trigger could be huge for the precise movements, since youre already goated at it. I loved directional air roll on my left stick for half flips but idk how you do it all the time like that lol.
Binding air roll to triggers was enough for me to decide I don't need free air roll anymore. I only used free roll for recoveries / wave dashes since learning directional air roll anyway. There's definitely a learning curve with timing trigger release so you aren't still holding brake / accelerate when you land if you don't want to be but I feel like it's much better for my movement in the long run.
@@chamberlan888 I tried for a bit and could NOT half flip to save my life.
Bro literally acts like he any good at free air roll to make an unbiased comparison 🤡
4:54 yeah this. I never give a peepeepoopoo about win or lose, my lifetime is precious so i play for fun when i can play. i queue immediately for rank because casual is garbo. c2 right now i think although mightve gone back down to c1 at this point idk. Point is, its a video game, i play for fun. Also I barely roll. straight air with minor rolls when needed, it's not pretty but it works for now.
Does this even apply to Keyboard and Mouse players? I have air roll left and right on Mouse button 4 and 5. I always thought this made PC players to have better advantage over just one air roll direction?
please explain how you transitioned from free air roll to directional. thank you
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