To be fair, he probably didn't see it. Thumbnails are small, and we know he sees the things for these videos on a Galaxy Fold, which, when he's standing right there, is probably a bit farther away.
and not only that, both the sims 4 and the source engine are generally *much* brighter with their colors. in gmod's case, the fact the sky is so bright and the area is so open, it would not be that dark looking
Having an in-game husband is literally a gameplay feature of Stardew Valley. I also need to know which husband Erin chose because they’re all better than John
For the record the coffee lawsuit was won by the person burned. The coffee was served at an absurd temperature and caused them to need skin grafts on the inside of their legs.
Jack's punishment should be having him make videos of the wrong answers he chose. Also, for posterity, that lawsuit against McDonald's for the coffee was more than justified. They gave her coffee that was so hot it caused 3rd degree burns. On her goddamn crotch. If you wanna say it was dumb and unjustified, go look up the images of the damage and come back.
She didn’t even want to go to court, she just wanted them to cover her medical bills from the burns. Also, she acknowledged that the spill was her fault. People get this case all wrong.
@@beepboop9750 Yeah, which is no accident. McDonald's actually spent a *lot* or money basically dragging her name through the mud, and it worked. Helpful hint for anyone out there reading this: If you find yourself siding or sympathizing with a massive corporation over an individual, chances are you've been duped.
I’m glad some people here know the story. It broke my heart for her when I heard it. McDonald’s is a billion dollar company, it’d be chump change for them to pay her medical bills. She had to go to all that effort just to be ridiculed.
Possible quiz idea: just play the sounds from the first second or two of iconic UA-cam apology videos and guess who is apologizing and what for. Might be easy or be really hard. Idk
@@hellowhatsup9668 For an ASMR video, definitely. Earlicking is a decently large subgenre. definitely more sane than a superbowl clip with the volume down.
"does the sims 4 look that good?" it looks a lot better than that Jack. "no way the sims 4 would have blocky bulbous non-flat-screen TVs" you'd think that wouldn't you Jack
I’ve never touched Roblox or Sims, but I reasoned it out cause I knew those models were too ugly for Sims and the whole thing was way too poorly lit for Gmod lol
This is my official Marshall Does Stuff Appreciation Post because ya boi is just objectively the best editor this channel has ever had and i need more of his fake thumbnails injected directly into my eyeballs
Yeah, however I figured it wouldn't be that one because what Sims 4 TV could possibly be interesting enough to warrant its own video? I genuinely tried to think of some hypothetical awesome custom content TV that might be cool enough for a video but I can't think of anything
Gray's style of video titles is so recognizable to me. I almost instantly knew the "They made going to the ... 1000x more dangerous" choice was real, despite the heinous Typo by the council.
I’ve watched enough Danny Gonzalez videos to immediately recognize the “sneaking candy from your parents” was a troom troom video, and the thumbnail just sealed the deal
@@playboy-music honestly some of the stuff people are doing on roblox these days is pretty cool, like there’s a game called shard seekers and their dragon models barely look like roblox.
With the recent addition of I believe the SurfaceAppearance, you can customize every element of a texture. You can have 4 images per texture, the colormap, the normalmap/heightmap, the metalness (yeah that's what it's called) map and the roughness map. These 4 images combine into one texture with insane amounts of detail, and if you combine that with their newest lighting system you can make some super high quality stuff. Yes I'm a roblox developer yes you are allowed to make fun of me for it
Started this video feeling like a moron, ended it pacing in my living room declaring myself a god for getting 13 of them. My Fiancee made fun of me for being lame.
22:25 now I'm literally picturing somebody licking a microphone in rhythm to Gangnam style and then auto tuning it and adding sleigh bells and recommending you listen to it with headphones.
I like how in that Encanto thumbnail, Jack completely missed the picture of Bruno creeping out from behind the wall, which I'd assume is what the spooked guy was actually "looking" at
I love how people didn't realise that Bruno looks like he was designed after "the happy merchant". When the musical number started showing rats and a sewer I was OUT
"Turn sodas into candy." Somehow Skittles isn't a soda, surprisingly. Also. Isn't Troom Troom the sound when Mario and co. are hit and shrinks/loses their power up? 🤣
8:14 yeah, Roblox is almost 16 years old, now everything isn't blocky But for me it was the fireplace that gave away it was Roblox, that fire is always like that
Honestly, when he was discussing making your dentist hate you, all I could think about was, "When I was younger just a bad little kid, my momma noticed funny things I did"
@@nevereverr I only got the 3rd one wrong and everything else right which means I'm more disappointed in myself than anyone else Edit:- Got the bonus one wrong too
I love that I actually did get the zoo one entirely because I actually watch that channel, even though I've never seen that specific video. By which I mean, I knew graystillplay's style well enough to know that it was his naming style, and which one was his.
Jack: please make videos using all of the fake titles from this video. That way, all the questions will be right in the future, and any poor sap who plays along won't have to suffer your same fate.
26:39 i used to watch that guy, so i knew very well that people make videos like that, but when i said its A i didnt expect it to actually be him who made the video.
From what I understand, Mukbang stems from a phenomenon in Korean culture where young people who live alone cook family-sized portions for meals, because that’s the way they know how to cook the meal, and then they eat it all to simulate having a meal it’s family. That’s just what my Korean friend told me, so I could be wrong.
Possible ways to turn soda into candy. Make hard candy, but add soda syrup before hardening it. Make homemade gummies using soda instead of water. Use the soda hard candy to make cotton candy.
Guess the Mod Quiz: where a fun fact about Jack’s mod’s are displayed and Jack has to guess which fact belongs to which Mod. It may seem niche and like the audience wouldn’t get it, but it would give us some insight on what the Mods are like, I feel like we never really learn much about them or hear what they actually have to offer and I’d love to know
"No one watched Luca" Jack?? Have you been living under a rock????? You have a Twitter account how did you miss literally EVERYONE talking about that movie
the council hinted at iron Man suit one at 19:25 with the "within yourself" line. what's within you? that's right, shit and piss, which you inevitably will after 50 hours in there.
That third question was amazing. Really scratched my head, and it was hilarious to see that the thumbnail includes all those objects. I got it right, tho, Jack almost Gaslit me into believing it was from Gmod, but Gmod would look much more detailed
TIP: This also applies to exams in real life lmao You have to use the fake answers to help find the real one. A lot of time a fake answer is a variation of the real answer, either being very similar, or the exact opposite, and then typically a random answer is the 4th. Title #5 (around 12:00) is the perfect example. Two of them specifically had "Disney Plus", one had HBO Max, and one was UA-cam (not a movie streaming service). Using this, it had to be one of the Disney Plus answers, and from there you can make an educated guess but worst case it's 50/50.
It's also factual. Luca's on track to become their lowest grossing films ever. Adjust for inflation and even The Good Dinosaur is beating it, which lost them 85 million overall.
11:50 its a fan musical, matpat was in it. but i dont think the title can attract a lot of people since musical doesnt sound interesting to younger children, so they would usually lie and say "movie", plus the musical by itself doesnt really have that big a fanbase.
7:03 Gotta love how he spent an entire minute and a half deciding wether it was gmod or sims 4 when the roblox logo is literally in the corner
To be fair, he probably didn't see it. Thumbnails are small, and we know he sees the things for these videos on a Galaxy Fold, which, when he's standing right there, is probably a bit farther away.
oh my god i didnt see that until you pointed it out
The graphics prompted me to look for the logo
I was going to say the same
and not only that, both the sims 4 and the source engine are generally *much* brighter with their colors.
in gmod's case, the fact the sky is so bright and the area is so open, it would not be that dark looking
"you can't turn soda into candy"
My brother in Christ, a man turned plastic gloves into hot sauce
NileRED is a gift from the heavens.
@@beepboop9750 NileRED
Thought it was grape soda?
@@RaspyCh he also turned vinyl gloves into hot sauce
Nilered my beloved.
Having an in-game husband is literally a gameplay feature of Stardew Valley. I also need to know which husband Erin chose because they’re all better than John
He MIGHT be better than Eliott though
I know, from the podcast, she originally married Elliott but divorced him pretty quick
You have to see my comment
@@boxdude10 he's the only one potentially worst than John though.
have you talked to Shane? Mans the actual worst. The rest are better than John tho.
For the record the coffee lawsuit was won by the person burned. The coffee was served at an absurd temperature and caused them to need skin grafts on the inside of their legs.
Tbh you’re more likely to be a boomer if you *don’t* know what Who Wants To Be A Millionaire is
AY YO the official channel
What the fuck
Excuse me what. The official channel?
What the fuck?
Absolutely legendary.
I feel so bad about the ceiling fan one because that billboard literally had Roblox on it
The roblox logo was also in the top left corner
that, and the Roblox logo in the top left
Bruh it literally had the roblox hud how did he miss it
@@chezcake256 Because he isn’t 12 and thus doesn’t recognise the logo lmao
@@chezcake256 because it's small and as he said in the video he can't zoom the picture
Jack's punishment should be having him make videos of the wrong answers he chose.
Also, for posterity, that lawsuit against McDonald's for the coffee was more than justified. They gave her coffee that was so hot it caused 3rd degree burns. On her goddamn crotch. If you wanna say it was dumb and unjustified, go look up the images of the damage and come back.
She didn’t even want to go to court, she just wanted them to cover her medical bills from the burns. Also, she acknowledged that the spill was her fault.
People get this case all wrong.
@@beepboop9750 Yeah, which is no accident. McDonald's actually spent a *lot* or money basically dragging her name through the mud, and it worked.
Helpful hint for anyone out there reading this: If you find yourself siding or sympathizing with a massive corporation over an individual, chances are you've been duped.
@@RepKyle95 exactly! Poor lady was like 80 too.
I’m glad some people here know the story. It broke my heart for her when I heard it. McDonald’s is a billion dollar company, it’d be chump change for them to pay her medical bills. She had to go to all that effort just to be ridiculed.
this post is trying to trick you into looking up a woman's crotch. this is a scam of the highest degree.
stay strong, brothers.
Possible quiz idea: just play the sounds from the first second or two of iconic UA-cam apology videos and guess who is apologizing and what for. Might be easy or be really hard. Idk
Like the Ryan George sketch!
You didn't think this one through, horrible idea.
How would Jack decipher who sighed in the beginning?
So a “UA-camr sigh quiz”?
but.. all of them are 5 seconds of silence
the deep breath will make this impossible
hearing jack and erin discuss the wicked whims mod and learning jack had it installed on his computer is truly sending me into the next dimension
The biggest surprise was that there wasn't a "trick-question: they're all real titles" question.
The trick you missed Jack was if one makes no sense, the council probably didn't think that up for they are sane rational people
sane? rational???? what council are you talking about
What council are you talking about bro there not sane at all
The council is several jack’s how could they be sane or rational
So lick my ears to gangnam Style (christmas Special) is more sane than i talked to kanye during the super bowl?
@@hellowhatsup9668 For an ASMR video, definitely. Earlicking is a decently large subgenre. definitely more sane than a superbowl clip with the volume down.
"does the sims 4 look that good?" it looks a lot better than that Jack. "no way the sims 4 would have blocky bulbous non-flat-screen TVs" you'd think that wouldn't you Jack
Penguin TV supremacy
also, the roblox logo in the top-left corner of the thumbnail.
He has not killed sims in a house with no doors and it shows
I’ve never touched Roblox or Sims, but I reasoned it out cause I knew those models were too ugly for Sims and the whole thing was way too poorly lit for Gmod lol
@@milesendebrock373good reasoning on the first part but lighting is down to players in both games, isn’t it?
This is my official Marshall Does Stuff Appreciation Post because ya boi is just objectively the best editor this channel has ever had and i need more of his fake thumbnails injected directly into my eyeballs
I need more of that sound effect when Jack slaps his wall for the 100th time
"you cant turn sodas into candy"
there is an entire array of jelly belly soda flavors, and they all nail it
To be fair to Jack, that would be turning *candy* into *sodas*, not the other way around
@@abigailr.9601 no, the final products are jelly beans, not sodas
I love how his logic for “12 ways to sneak candy from your parents” being fake is “there are way more than 12 ways to sneak candy from your parents
There are definitely blocky CRT televisions in The Sims 4. The two cheapest televisions are like that.
Yeah, however I figured it wouldn't be that one because what Sims 4 TV could possibly be interesting enough to warrant its own video? I genuinely tried to think of some hypothetical awesome custom content TV that might be cool enough for a video but I can't think of anything
Gray's style of video titles is so recognizable to me. I almost instantly knew the "They made going to the ... 1000x more dangerous" choice was real, despite the heinous Typo by the council.
Same! When every single video has, essentially, the exact same title it sort of burns it into your brain.
When that thumbnail hit I was 100% sure it was a graystillplay video
FINALLY someone knew! That and I watched that video recently lmao
I knew it was gonna be that but I thought the typo was in the actual title making it too absurdly stupid for the council to have made up
SAME
I saw that and was like “this is EXACTLY how Gray would title a video”
Suggestion: How the tables have turned! (Instead of jack doing the quiz, jack’s gonna set up a quiz for the council to do)
I’ve watched enough Danny Gonzalez videos to immediately recognize the “sneaking candy from your parents” was a troom troom video, and the thumbnail just sealed the deal
Hi fellow Greg!!
And I immediately knew the GrayStillPlays one with the zoo!
i thought it was either troom troom or 123 go
7:14 the Roblox logo is literally in the top left hand corner of the screen. Jack, the answer was in front of you the entire time
You can tell it's Roblox when it has that plastic shine on everything.
You can also tell because the Roblox logo is in the top left lmao
depends on the lighting system the game owner chooses for their game
you can also tell by looking at the top left corner
@@playboy-music honestly some of the stuff people are doing on roblox these days is pretty cool, like there’s a game called shard seekers and their dragon models barely look like roblox.
With the recent addition of I believe the SurfaceAppearance, you can customize every element of a texture. You can have 4 images per texture, the colormap, the normalmap/heightmap, the metalness (yeah that's what it's called) map and the roughness map. These 4 images combine into one texture with insane amounts of detail, and if you combine that with their newest lighting system you can make some super high quality stuff. Yes I'm a roblox developer yes you are allowed to make fun of me for it
Cool video but can we get Erin to talk about Stardew Valley for an hour or something like that?
the podcast has some parts like that
Honestly, I'm down for that. Not even Erin on-screen, just Jack standing there while she rants about Elliott
White Girl Rants About Stardew Valley for Way Too Long
The pretty much do that on their podcast
Please
Started this video feeling like a moron, ended it pacing in my living room declaring myself a god for getting 13 of them. My Fiancee made fun of me for being lame.
Eat them for their transgressions
OH look at the time! It's time to get a better fiancee.
do not listen to them bro. u are a god
I got a 13 and I feel like im on a higher plane
I score 7, and im proud lol 😌
I love that after the 10th one, Jack stopped worrying about his score and started worrying if it was ever going to end
22:25 now I'm literally picturing somebody licking a microphone in rhythm to Gangnam style and then auto tuning it and adding sleigh bells and recommending you listen to it with headphones.
I like how in that Encanto thumbnail, Jack completely missed the picture of Bruno creeping out from behind the wall, which I'd assume is what the spooked guy was actually "looking" at
I love how people didn't realise that Bruno looks like he was designed after "the happy merchant". When the musical number started showing rats and a sewer I was OUT
"Turn sodas into candy."
Somehow Skittles isn't a soda, surprisingly.
Also. Isn't Troom Troom the sound when Mario and co. are hit and shrinks/loses their power up? 🤣
no that's Nyoomp Nyoomp Nyoomp
this video shows how genuinelly out of touch jack is with video games and i love it
"click an avatar to represent you"
@@KRUSH-R yes
"If the answer seems obvious, it's probably the right answer."
~Jack
"Where there's smoke, there's fire"
~Lemony Snicket
Love that when he sees the 🥵 emoji his first thought is “mommy”… Ernie really has him wrapped around her finger huh
Wow. I got all 17 correct. The teacher loved my work so much she read it to the whole class. Then everybody clapped.
and then the popular girl surely asked you out to the prom right after, right?:)
and then the president gave you a ps5
My life is complete knowing that Jack has WickedWhims installed on his Sims.
*after being manipulated by his wife into installing it
I LOVED THIS! MORE PLEASE!
Also, on questions without thumbnail hints, maybe next time top comments can be pinned as the hint?
great idea! hope Jack sees this
Yeah, but that would probably make it too easy. Jack is really good at putting two and two together when you give him any hints.
8:14 yeah, Roblox is almost 16 years old, now everything isn't blocky
But for me it was the fireplace that gave away it was Roblox, that fire is always like that
24:40 the fact that I know Angelica's content made me guess the uncle one even more
7:29 I WAS SCREAMING AT HIM TO LOOK AT THE TOP LEFT OF THE THUMBNAIL
What I learned from this quiz is that everytime you go "Wait, that doesn't make sense" - THAT's the one you should go with
“Name That Furry” Jack is shown the character of a furry content creator and must pick the correct name from a list
He'd be flying blind the entire video. Hell, I'm one myself and wouldn't have the faintest idea.
that would be actually impossible, it’s perfect
This suggestion is brought to you by a furry
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Perfect.
Honestly, when he was discussing making your dentist hate you, all I could think about was,
"When I was younger just a bad little kid, my momma noticed funny things I did"
7:50 hmmm top left corner of the hint though
This series of 30-40 minute Internet guessing-games is QUALITY background noise met me tell you
I got 10/17 including the sneaky double point at the end. This means i am certifiably sadder than you, John.
ngl this is a lose-lose situation. if you get the answer right, it just shows how cursed with knowledge you are.
@@nevereverr I only got the 3rd one wrong and everything else right which means I'm more disappointed in myself than anyone else
Edit:- Got the bonus one wrong too
What I've learned is that, in a UA-cam quiz, Jack should always distrust his gut.
I got like 2 or 3 of them. This is hellishly difficult
The counsil is stepping up the game. They're starting to learn how he thinks so they can throw him off better.
I'm assuming that's the editor in the fake 'recommended' thumbnails. Give them a raise. Holy shit I laughed so hard. They're too on point XD
I love that I actually did get the zoo one entirely because I actually watch that channel, even though I've never seen that specific video. By which I mean, I knew graystillplay's style well enough to know that it was his naming style, and which one was his.
“No way u knew it was Roblox”
Jack the Roblox logo was in the corner
I thought Roblox's logo is the R one
@@sayyiddaffam6822 They have since changed it to a tilted square for simplification and modernization
Also because it is difficult to trademark a letter of the alphabet.
Jack: please make videos using all of the fake titles from this video. That way, all the questions will be right in the future, and any poor sap who plays along won't have to suffer your same fate.
Up next: ASMR political arguement with your uncle - thanksgiving special
i saw angelica for the asmr thumbnail and i 100% knew. this girl is a gift, she's funny and clever as hell, and the asmr is good too. i love her xD
She comes up with THE most bizarre, creative scenarios, I love it! I’m so happy I randomly got recommended that plague video 😂
no kidding! even before he showed the thumbnail i thought "this is gonna be an angelica video"
asmr is not good
I love her smmmm, she's the best
Honestly, I saw her and got even more confused, every single one of those titles seemed like something she'd do.
“Gimme that bugs bunny D” 12:39
Are you okay?
26:39 i used to watch that guy, so i knew very well that people make videos like that, but when i said its A i didnt expect it to actually be him who made the video.
From what I understand, Mukbang stems from a phenomenon in Korean culture where young people who live alone cook family-sized portions for meals, because that’s the way they know how to cook the meal, and then they eat it all to simulate having a meal it’s family. That’s just what my Korean friend told me, so I could be wrong.
My understanding is that its asmr but with eating and with ungodly and unhealthy proportions of food for one person.
The color match on the answers background to YT dark theme is outstanding!
An eyedropper tool is great for stuff like this, it's two clicks
@@spacetrashfallingdown I think it's more about appreciating the idea
marshal being a council member and casually plugging his channel is truly the fortnite of sex
thanks for introducing me to the phrase “fortnite of sex”
My darkest secret is that when Jack does that sitcom music I clap and laugh just to complete the ritual
Why have I just realized that Jack is basically the game show host of UA-cam? He’s a great one too.
I can't believe Jack didn't catch on to the word salad ones being right most of the time
Possible ways to turn soda into candy.
Make hard candy, but add soda syrup before hardening it.
Make homemade gummies using soda instead of water.
Use the soda hard candy to make cotton candy.
Somebody tell Angelica about this. She would absolutely kill at commentating olympics and debating politics with my uncle
Just binged a bunch of OwlKitty’s videos, thanks for helping me find them!!
25:46 yeah James may made a house out of Lego that you can live in
Guess the Mod Quiz: where a fun fact about Jack’s mod’s are displayed and Jack has to guess which fact belongs to which Mod.
It may seem niche and like the audience wouldn’t get it, but it would give us some insight on what the Mods are like, I feel like we never really learn much about them or hear what they actually have to offer and I’d love to know
The way the answers were made is very impressive and has a great logic to them. Massive respect to the Council
"No one watched Luca" Jack?? Have you been living under a rock????? You have a Twitter account how did you miss literally EVERYONE talking about that movie
It wasn’t that good though.
I never watched that movie
I love that movie! I thought it was really cute and the score was great
the only luca I know is in Smash
“It’s got a ceiling fan a TV and a fireplace”
Amazing 👌
James May built a full LEGO house, even plumbed the toilet
God bless you marshal. you are truly the glue that keeps this channel together
the council hinted at iron Man suit one at 19:25 with the "within yourself" line. what's within you? that's right, shit and piss, which you inevitably will after 50 hours in there.
I like how Jack is like "how is that possible it's not" when literally every 3AM video is impossible
35:11 bro that's a GrayStillPlays Happy Wheels title if I've ever seen one
36:03 I've done it
James May built a house out of Lego! He is in fact the record holder
With every new round, i didnt only lose faith in my answers. But also in the future of UA-cam.
"Gimme that bugs bunny D" - Jacksfilms 2022
40 minutes of cruel and unusual punishment.
7:22 the roblox logo. in the corner.
0:49 why did i have the exact same thought
8:26 is obviously Roblox because it has the Roblox logo in the top left corner
What makes you think he knows roblox if he hasbt even playged Gmod
8:18 the fact that there's literally a Roblox logo on the corner...
9:23
"Messy, that's clearly someone's fetish"
*laughs in Splosh*
I got so happy knowing the ASMR one because I knew Angelica comes up with something that topical
Got 6/17, lost some points since I refused to trust Jack's gut instinct and changed if we picked the same one 😂
I can't believe BetaEta made it into Jacksfilms. Bravo...
Good job, council. You did good on picking him for this vid.
I was listening and then he said “the channel that uploaded it is call Beta Shorts” I turned my head so fast it almost gave me whiplash
Marshall went HARD on the editing here, damn
sorry but im so invested in erin's stardew valley husband. wheres the stardew bachelor tierlist
8:00 wow I wonder why that roblox symbol is in the top.
That third question was amazing. Really scratched my head, and it was hilarious to see that the thumbnail includes all those objects. I got it right, tho, Jack almost Gaslit me into believing it was from Gmod, but Gmod would look much more detailed
loved that the literal roblox logo was in the top left and he still completely missed it
Seeing Jack trying to work out the titles and geting so confused is comedy gold keep it up Jack Thank You 😊.
I was so ecstatic when I saw Angelica's video. finally, a test i studied for.
TIP: This also applies to exams in real life lmao
You have to use the fake answers to help find the real one. A lot of time a fake answer is a variation of the real answer, either being very similar, or the exact opposite, and then typically a random answer is the 4th. Title #5 (around 12:00) is the perfect example. Two of them specifically had "Disney Plus", one had HBO Max, and one was UA-cam (not a movie streaming service). Using this, it had to be one of the Disney Plus answers, and from there you can make an educated guess but worst case it's 50/50.
I love rewatching these quiz videos after I've forgotten all the answers
8:39 it literally has the roblox symbol in the top left
as someone whos been playing roblox for years now i was laughing so hard at the ceiling fan one
"This one is for all the marbles" says literally anyone losing lol
15:30 "we use the power of thinking" but he didn't see that he is in the furry belly
Love the gray still plays video inclusion he’s actually hilarious
my first thought when Jack read out those asmr titles was "the thumbnail is going to be Angelica, isn't it?"
19:07 that's actually exactly how that works...
"to be fair nobody watched luca" is somehow my least favorite thing jack has ever said
Awww u mad.
@@fritzy8318 "awww". Ni**a are you gay???
many people watched it but everyone forgot it
@@SadJBomb did you watch it? i have yet to see anyone refer to luca as forgettable
It's also factual. Luca's on track to become their lowest grossing films ever. Adjust for inflation and even The Good Dinosaur is beating it, which lost them 85 million overall.
Erin making Jack install and play Wicked Whims is fucking hilarious
11:50 its a fan musical, matpat was in it. but i dont think the title can attract a lot of people since musical doesnt sound interesting to younger children, so they would usually lie and say "movie", plus the musical by itself doesnt really have that big a fanbase.