First Time Watching The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King | PART 1/2
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- We're watching "The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the king" the Extended Edition! This is part one of a two part reaction. We're finally watching the final movie, and it is epic! I hope you guys enjoy this reaction to The Fellowship of the Ring.
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Bernard Hill (Theodin) passed away this morning aged 79. He will be sorely missed. Such a great talent and a giant of a man in life. RIP to him and heartfelt condolences to his family.
no way! thanks for the update! RIP legend
Awww man❤
He is in the halls of his forefathers. He is not ashamed.
Watching the Two Tower and the Return of the King will hit differently from now on TT_TT. Westu hál, Bernard Hill, Théoden King. Ferðu.
Oh that is so sad! He was great in every movie he was in! Damn, RIP to a great one. I feel so sad for his family.
bad news, sauron knows everything pippin knows. good news, pippin knows exactly fuck-all
Asking Tolkien fans for extra lore is definitely opening pandora's box, lol
Its the beginning of the "Kind of but not really, and I'll need 5 paragraphs to explain everything and even then, i'll forget something" shtick lol
@@DogmaticNonsense5 paragraphs?! It takes me at least that long just to say “good morning”
Suddenly occurred to me what the difference is between Smeagol and Frodo; it's not as simple as Frodo being stronger; it's more that his base impulse is more difficult for the Ring to manipulate.
Smeagol has a strong snaring, snatching, quick-striking impulse that makes him an excellent fisher, that the Ring can immediately channel into a murder impulse.
Frodo has zero snatching in him at all; his impulse is to tune out and wander, to be curious and explore.
The Ring has basically no luck getting him to murder anyone; but it figures out pretty quick that he's incredibly susceptible to wandering into danger in a trance; and the Ring spams the shit outta that at every opportunity.
I heard that Peter Jackson wanted Christopher Lee to scream when Grima stabbed him in the back. Lee was a spy and in the special forces ( I believe the SAS) during WW2. He told Jackson that when your stabbed in the back that the air escapes your lungs and it's impossible to scream. Reportedly Lee said "Do you know how a man sounds when he's stabbed in the back? Because I do." Jackson was just like, Okay then
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Everything about Christopher Lee's life was wild lol. Hunted N*zis, was related to some kind of royalty, witnessed the last execution by guillotine, was in a metal band, etc etc. He was the only member of the cast to have met Tolkien himself.
@@MortMe0430 Bond is partly based on him cause his cousin is Ian Fleming , nearly married the princess of Sweden, the list goes on.
Not to mention that he turned against the jedi & made a droid army
I believe there's even a video behind the scenes of that exact moment when Lee teaches Jackson on set how it sounds, he's standing in his Saruman fit and goes: "It's like *aaaah* like the air escapes from you, not screaming out". Few people led a life like Christopher Lee.
When Sam calls Gollum a sneak, he doesn’t realize that “Sneak” is the nickname the Orcs gave Gollum when he had been captured and tortured. In the books, hearing that name is what cements Gollum’s choice to kill the hobbits… he had felt a flicker of hesitation moments before.
"The dead do not suffer the living to pass."
"You will suffer me."
Fun Fact: The Lord Of The Rings trilogy became the most nominated film franchise in Academy Award history with thirty nominations, surpassing The Godfather trilogy (twenty-nine) and the Star Wars film franchise (twenty-one).
Skull Path Fact: The final day of filming on the trilogy actually happened over a month after this movie was theatrically released, and three weeks after the 2004 Academy Awards. Sir Peter Jackson arranged to film one final shot of skulls on the floor in the tunnel of the Paths of the Dead, which was included in the Extended Edition DVD. He thought it was funny to be filming a movie that had already won the Best Picture Oscar.
Music Enthusiast Fact: Billy Boyd's singing scene largely came about because co-writer Philippa Boyens went for a night out at a karaoke bar with the younger male cast members, and she was struck by the quality of his voice. Remembering that Denethor (John Noble) asks Pippin to sing him a song when Faramir (David Wenham) heads off to war, she resurrected the lyrics from the novel (where it is actually sung by all four hobbits), and Boyd came up with the tune for it.
Sméagol and Déagol were a pair of sneak thieves, and ne'er do wells. That's why they were taken over so fast. Their relationship is unclear. They are Stoors, very similar to hobbits, but they were expert waterman.
It's not shown in the movies, but in the books Denethor also had a palantir that connected to Sauron and had been using it for YEARS to glean information directly from Sauron's mind. At the same time Sauron was trying to corrupt or crush Denethor's mind/spirit.
It would have been so easy to include that fact in the movie to explain Denethor's dementia.
Yes, Denethor was pretty much seeing in his palantir only what Sauron would let him see, things that would dishearten him and weaken his resolve. In this way Sauron poisoned Gondor from the inside for many years.
Your empathy and understanding are great and honestly really refreshing.
Most people don’t seem to understand what characters like Denethor and Frodo are going though and their mindset in this movie when they make bad decisions. (especially if you have the additional context given for Denethor in the books, also being driven into mad despair by Sauron showing him visions of the fall of Gondor through his Palantír)
Sam doesn’t understand why Frodo is so tolerant of Gollum. Frodo hopes that Gollum, who was once a hobbit but was twisted by the Ring, can recover. If Gollum can recover, there's hope that Frodo and Bilbo, as fellow Ring-bearers, can also heal.
Certainly that is something Gollum exploits, but Frodo had also had a compelling interest in keeping Smeagol-Gollum around to serve as the guide to Mt. Doom.
While technically true, I have one little addendum. Gollum wasn't a Hobbit, he was a riverfolk. His nomadic people settled down in the shire later and became hobbits, he's a "protohobbit" the riverfolk are in turn the (and I don't like this word:) "evolution" of the Harfoots we met in Rings of Power.
nerd lore rant over, I'll leave you alone now.
@@davidbergfors6820 Yep, all true. I was just keeping it simple.
@@davidbergfors6820 pls don't bring RoP here. Hobbits live about 100 years, 500 years is not so far. In fact, The Shire already had been existing for centuries when Gollum got the ring. Riverfolk were hobbits, they were Stoors, the last ones to get to The Shire. And due to the year, Smeagol's family must have been of the last ones who moved to the west, even between the Stoors. Because they were still living close to the forest at that time.
I like the scene with Eomer and Eowyn talking about Merry in battle (Around 38:55) because when he talks about Merry running from battle, he's not saying it in judgement, he outright says that he would be right to do so. A lot of Tolkien's writing in LOTR alludes to the depth of horror of war, and I love when the characters acknowledge it as such
Love your reaction. To clarify The "relationship" between Aragorn and Éowyn. She is obviously completely smitten by him. She had lost her parents, her cousin has just been killed, her brother has just been banished, Grima Wormtongue is stalking her, and her uncle the king is possessed by Saruman. Enter Aragorn. She is only 24 yrs old, he is 87 but looks like a youthful forty something. Talk about a crush. Aragorn is very kind but totally committed to Arwen, he is respectfully aware of her losses, position and feelings and lets her down as gently as possible when he has to. I think Peter Jackson did a pretty good job with this. He was under a lot of pressure by the studios to make more of this than there was, far more than in the books. Remember Harvey Weinstein was also involved in a lot of the early discussions pressuring PJ to make changes in what Tolkien had originally written. It's also why PJ created the really ugly Orc leader who was a reflection of his real opinion of him, Weinstein that is.
I do see the resemblance. Too bad they didn't share the same fate.
@@llanitedave Thanks, yes agree! 😵
Christopher Lee is a legend. He actually hunted nazis during ww2 and when Peter Jackson was talking to him about saruman's death scene and said something about trying to imagine what it sounds like when someone gets stabbed in the back, Christopher said, "I don't need to imagine that."
But seriously, he's a truly remarkable man.
So re. Smeagol's response to the ring vs. Bilbo & Frodo... The book says that he was already a selfish, tricksy person before he and Deagol found the ring, and the fact that he began his possession of it with murder (while Bilbo chose not to kill Gollum) meant that he was corrupted by it much, MUCH faster than the other hobbits.
Good point. It never crossed my mind to think of it that way. 🙂
Also, the ring had been sitting there for 2500 years. It probably exerted all of its power to attract and ensnare Deagol and/or Smeagol so that it didn't have to sit there in the muck for another millenium or so.
Another contributing factor might have been that Smeagol and Deagol were simply enjoying a pleasant day of fishing. They had no reason to think they might be in any danger. Whereas Bilbo was in a vast, dark cave complex full of orcs, far from the safety of home. He had every reason to believe he was in mortal peril, and would have been fully on his guard - fully suspicious of anything he saw or anyone he met.
Maybe also as Frodo was born over 560 years after the ring found Deagol, that their race had evolved and strengthened their genes after many generations living in the Shires of Middle Earth?
You mentioned lore in the comments, so here goes:
Smeagol is a type of halfling known as a "Stoor." There were originally three types of halflings: Stoors, Harfoots, and Fallohides. They were slightly different in appearance and size and lived in different areas. Stoors lived among plains and rivers, Harfoots lived in the foothills near the Misty Mountains and Fallohides lives on the edge of the forests that later became Mirkwood.
The term "hobbit" was first given to the Harfoots by the Fallohides. In their language, "hobbit" means something close to "hole-dweller." Harfoots were known to burrow. Think of Bilbo's home.
A lot of stuff happened. There was a lot of emigration from their homelands, and after a while most of the the three groups end up living together around the Shire and sort of combining into one group collectively called Hobbits. However, some of the Stoors decided to go back to their homelands. Smeagol and Deagol are likely among their descendants. It's never directly stated.
In the book, Frodo was not so blindly trusting of Gollum, and Sam was not so hostile. Neither of them trusted him, but they were both decent to him. Hollywood has to have their conflict between the heroes, of course...
And the reason that Pippin told Sauron nothing of Frodo and the ring was not because he resisted Sauron's questioning, he would have folded immediately if Sauron had asked him, but he didn't. Sauron assumed that Pippin _was_ Frodo, that Saruman had caught him and made him touch the Palantir to torment him before sending him to Mordor. He didn't know there were other halflings abroad, he just knew there was "the halfling with the ring", and was so eager to get hold of him that he didn't bother to question him.
Denethor in the book is not as bad as Denethor in the movie. And there is a good explanation for his madness. Gollum, on the other hand, is even worse in the book. Among other things, his murders had not stopped at one. Also, the Dead had sworn an oath to Isildur, but Isildur was not the last King of Gondor. He was the second. The line of Kings lasted more than 2000 years and another 32 sovereigns before it ended, and the Stewards became full-time rulers. Peter Jackson was quite mistaken to give that line to Legolas.
watching this the same day as Bernard Hill's passing is a real emotional journey. He was absolutely fantastic and will be sorely missed
At 11:39, the "great wave" that Eowyn saw in her dream was the wave that drowned the island kingdom of Numenor at the end of the Second Age. In the book it is Faramir who dreams of the wave. This is a dream that apparently Tolkien dreamed repeatedly when he was growing up.
was just about to say this, for some reason that part went over my head for so many watches, I am ashamed as a Tolkien fan
And now Russia threatens to use a nuclear device, the Poseidon nuclear drone, in the North Sea to flood Great Britian with an enormous tsunami. Did Tolkien dream of that?
@@davefranklyn7730 WHAAAAAT? Could you elaborate, this sounds important.
Good catch to notice that Frodo and Sam were hiking in lands that used to belong to Gondor. It’s true, that region East of the River was called Ithilien (Faramir mentions the name at least once) - long since abandoned because of the return of Sauron. Something not conveyed in the movie, Gondor isn’t just the stone city of Minas Tirith built into the mountain, it’s an expansive realm with many cities and districts; Minas Tirith is just the capital. In the book Gandalf and Pippin arrive to find that soldiers from the Vassal cities are arriving to prepare for battle. In the book, Denethor is not in fact doing nothing; he’s preparing for war and calling in support from the realm.
I think Osgiliath was actually the capital. The realm contracted back to Minas Tirith after Osigiliath was assaulted and later taken.
@@Crazy_Diamond_75 yeah Osgiliath was the original capital
The actor that is TreeBeard's voice is the same actor who played Gimli
I'm pretty sutra he's also the only member of the initial fellowship to not get a tattoo related to it. And also (according to an interview) kept a small stockpile of old af cell phones with no camera but insanely long battery life lol
At 13:48, in the book Sauron thought that Pippin was the captive of Saruman and had been driven to look into the Palantir for his torment. Gandalf tells Pippin, "But mark this! You have been saved, and all your friends too, mainly by good fortune, as it is called. You cannot count on it a second time. If he had questioned you, then and there, almost certainly you would have told all that you know, to the ruin of us all. But he was too eager. He did not want information only: he wanted *you,* quickly, so that he could deal with you in the Dark Tower, slowly."
The Ring takes what power you already have and multiplies it (and slowly corrupts it). If you're already a selfish, sneaky sort of person (and Smeagol was) it will just make you that much more selfish and sneaky, and you're already well on the way to being corrupt.
17 hours to go until the Return of the Queen reacts
Regarding "young master Gandalf," Gandalf is actually older than Treebeard. He and the other angels helped Eru Ilúvitar, God, if you will, create the universe.
Although his current "mortal" form in Middle Earth - that of a bearded old man - has only been around since the middle of the (current) Third Age.
Jackson had to cut things down, but it does make the character of Denethor a bit less complex here than he is in the book. I also think Jackson wanted him to stand as a more stark contrast to Aragorn. In the book, though, Denethor has been driven increasingly mad by looking into his Palantir (a similar device to the one Pippin looked in where Sauron interrogated him). He thought he would have the mental fortitude to stand up to Sauron so he could use the device to help his kingdom, but he underestimated Sauron's ability to manipulate and control. You cannot use the Palantir to lie, but you can use it to hide certain aspects of the truth, which is what Sauron is really good at. In the book he also did not send Faramir on such a pointless suicide mission. He sent him out on an exceedingly dangerous one, though, to harass the orc encampments that were building around Minas Tirith, and Faramir was eventually badly wounded after some surprising success in this mission. His son's near-lethal wounds, combined with visions in the Palantir of the oncoming black fleet are what drive Denethor over the edge into total madness. In both the book and the movie, though, he does utter the reprehensible line, "Yes, I wish that," when Faramir says that he wishes he had died and Boromir had lived. Heartbreaking in both book and film.
Though in both book and film, he _does_ seem ashamed to admit that he would prefer Faramir had been the one to die.
26:13 the beacons scene is my favorite out of all the movies. Imagine of one family was asleep😀
Not many reactors understand what Frodo's going through as well as you do, and I applaud you for it!
20:08. Great attention detail there. Gandalf the Grey smoked all the time, but then he was reborn, and now his new body isn't used to the smoke.
Denethor has always favoured Boromir over Faramir for three reasons: 1. Boromir was always the fighter whereas Faramir has always been more of a diplomat. 2. Denethor's wife fell sick and died shortly after Faramir was born, because of course that's Faramir's fault. 3, and most importantly, Faramir has always spent a long time listening to Gandalf. And Denethor..... DESPISES.... Gandalf with every fibre of his being.
RIP King Theoden! You will be missed and always be my favorite Lotr character
The opening prologue w/ Sméagol & Déagol was indeed his first encounter with the ring. Until they discovered the ring that day, it had lain on the bed of that river for over 2400 years undiscovered, ever since slipping from the hand of Isildur (Aragorn's forebear). Déagol was his cousin. Sméagol used the ring for thieving & spying until he was disowned by his grandmother & cast out of the extended family home. The rest you saw.
You asked a great question in one of the earlier videos about whether Gollum carried the ring longer then Sauron, I had to nerd out & check the wiki. According to the lore, Sauron forged the ring in the Second Age around SA (Second Age) 1600, and lost it when Isildur cut it from his hand in SA 3441. Doing so ushered in the Third Age of Middle Earth. So Sauron had over 1800 years of wielding the One Ring before he was defeated, vs Gollum's 478 years before Bilbo acquired it in The Hobbit.
AT 21:36, in the book the Stairs of Cirith Ungol are steep but not vertical; they just go on for miles and miles. The Orcs of Minas Morgul send a company up the stairs after the Hobbits. It's hard to imagine a large party climbing those stairs without incident.
"If I should return, think better of me father". It broke my heart...
The only thing I've truly desired in these films is a short scene where we can see Denethor in his prime. By the time we see him in this movie, he had already been driven mad by a Palantir through which he saw visions of Sauron's apparent invincibility. He also prematurely aged because of the stress of fighting off Sauron's attempts to take control of the palantir from him. In the books he is said to have been (quoting from the tolkiengateway wiki) "proud, tall, wise, far-sighted, and valiant; 'more kingly' than any of his predecessors for a long time. He proved a masterful lord and a great ruler, seeing to all things large and small under his command". I think it would have been great to see another example of how Sauron and his allies were able to subvert the biggest strengths of their opposition.
Some backstory for Gollum/Smeagol and the history of hobbits. The ancestors of the hobbits of the Shire were the same as the ancestors of Smeagol's people. They lived in between the misty mountains (where Moria is) and the great river that the fellowship paddled partway down. Long ago, a group of these hobbits moved west over the mountains and founded the Shire and a few other hobbit settlements. That is why Gandalf said Gollum is "like a hobbit," instead of saying he was a hobbit because the 2 peoples separated a long time ago and they have changed depending on their new environment.
As for why the ring changed Gollum so much but didn't change Bilbo and Frodo is because of 2 main reasons. The first is simply time. Bilbo had the ring for 60 years before giving it to Frodo, and Frodo only had the ring for 17 years (a lot of time passed in the movie between Gandalf leaving to read ancient scrolls and his return). Gollum had it for 500 years. The second reason is the way they each came to possess the ring. Gollum committed murder in order to steal the ring from the one who found it. Bilbo accidentally found it and spared Gollum's life when he had every opportunity and reason to kill him. Frodo rightfully inherited the ring after the previous owner willingly relinquished it. They came to possess the ring with no ill deeds.
Just watched the Premiere Kahla. Your instincts about what to edit (that is, what to leave in) is extraordinary. Do you have a Palantir? LOL😂
Thank goodness I don’t 😂
Bernard Hill, the guy who played Theoden King Of ROHAN has passed away today RIP to The King Of ROHAN
This movie is absolutely amazing
Be at peace, son of Rohan. Bernard Hill, Theoden King. Hail to the victorious dead!!!
RIP Bernard Hill, what a king...,
About Gandalf's age: Gandalf as the wizard we see here took the form of an old man when he arrived in Middle-Earth in the beginning of the Third Age (i.e. just after Sauron was defeated). But Gandalf as he really is, Olórin, is essentially a demigod, his spirit has existed since before Middle-Earth ever existed. Saruman (really Curumo) and Sauron (really Mairon) and Gandalf all belong to the same category of beings.
Tolkein drew a correlation between Smeagol and Deagol and Merry and Pippin. Both sets of hobbits were very similar in that they were more than just cousins, they were best friends who grew up spoiled, loved to pull pranks and get into silly trouble all the time. It was this mischievous side that the Ring tapped into after lying dormant for 2500 years, and was extremely powerful at the time, and caused the quick change in Smeagol and Deagol. Tolkein wanted the audience to wonder what would have happened if it had been one of heros, Merry or Pippin, who had gotten the ring rather than Frodo. Love your reactions.❤
Just found out, Bernard Hill who played the King Theoden has passed away today. RIP
ngl, i feel privileged to have joined you on this journey through a world that has been dear to me since i could read! suffice to say i have been a massive Tolkien fan boy for more than half a century and it's honestly rare to find someone who really seems to "get It". this reaction has been awesome and i'm looking forward to the last instalment but i'm also kind of dreading it because it will be the last one.
that said, you now have me as a very loyal subscriber. much love and best wishes to you and yours and thank you so much for sharing.🙂
A tid bit I love is when Smeagol says "Smeagol wouldn't hurt a fly" but in the books, after he lost the ring to Bilbo, he left his cave hunting bilbo down and became known as the ghost of the trees, drinking blood. And that he would creep in through windows and eat babies.
for understandable reasons, the most was cut from the third book (otherwise they would have had to make 4 movies instead of 3!), but it's still a pity that we didn't see Saruman's true end, which came after many more evil deeds. but also in both versions of the story, he got what he deserved!
22:16 Watching Minas Morgul light up like that for the first time in the theater was amazing! It felt like a shockwave! Still one of my favorite little moments from the trilogy.
Can’t believe you cut out The Lighting of the Beacons - that’s one of the greatest sequences I’ve ever seen on film. Watching it in the theatre on the big screen left me wide eyed with goose bumps. Fantastic score for that amazing scenery.
Tolkien didn't like the title his publisher gave to the third volume: "The Return of the King." As a story teller, he felt it gave too much of the ending away.
These movies are my comfort movies. They never get old and I still cry every damn time
Minas morgul, the black gate, and cirith ungol (the tower of the moon) were all built by the men of gondor. To keep the evil in mordor inside mordor. Osgiliath - the wrecked city on the river - was the original capital of gondor and ithilien - the area faramir contests with sauron’s armies - its most beautiful lands. Which is why, upon being crowned, aragorn names faramir prince of ithilien and gives that land and osgiliath to faramir (and eowyn) to cleanse of any remaining evil and resettle.
The northern kingdom of arnor, just north of the shire - which Aragorn’s father was the king of- was destroyed by an allianceof angmar and the northern orcs, led by the wotch king of angmar. Angmar was in tirn destroyed. Thats why aragorn patrols those lands with the dunedai rangers - to keep the remaining evil in amgmar and arnor put of the lands to the south, the most norther;y of which is the shire. Its also why aragorn was in Bree and knows the lands between there and rivendell, where he was raised in safety.
The mid-snore eye-open from Gollum gets me every time 😂 the comedic timing is just too much lol
A really heart-wrenching note, when Arwen calls Elrond "Ada", it's a very informal version of the word for father. She's basically using the Elvish word for "Daddy".
Aw! That’s both sad and beautiful.
The really sad thing about Arwen's choice to remain is that after Aragorn's death, she came to regret her choice to stay. It wasn't until that moment that she understood the extreme gulf of time separating them, and that their life together, which had only lasted about a century and a half (barely a blip in an elf's life), had doomed her to eternity away from her people and the light of the gods. Elrond's vision came true; she left her children and journeyed alone to Lothlorien, but everyone had gone and the place was desolate. She laid down on the hill of Cerin Amroth, where the two of them had met, and died of loneliness and grief.
John Noble, who played Denethor, says he believes the reason for Denethor's treament of Faramir is that his son reminds him powerfully of Miriel, his mother who died in childbirth. In a sadly common way, he blamed the boy for the mother's death, and has never been able to abandon that bitterness. Faramir not only looks like his mother but is like her in temperament, being gentle and drawn to study and knowledge, whereas Boromir was more like his father, impetuous and of a martial temperament. On another note, there is something that explains Denethor's madness and tendency to despair, but which Jackson decided not to include for some reason: he had a Palantir, one of the Seeing Stones. There were seven, one of which Saruman had; they were made by the Men of old to communicate between cities. The Stone of Minas Tirith was kept by the Steward, but when Sauron returned he used the Stone of Minas Morgul to reach out to the others that were left. Denethor was trapped the same way Saruman was trapped, in that he believed what Sauron showed him. The Dark Lord showed Saruman a lying promise of partnership and glory, but to Denethor he showed visions of overwhelming armies destroying Gondor and bringing down the world of Men. They were both gaslit, basically, and for all his pride (which was his downfall), Denethor was taken in by the lie, and so believed they had no hope of victory. Thus has evil always taken its triumphs, by lying and deceit.
Thank you to sharing this lore!
If only the men of old had had cell phones!
@@kristen6207 You're welcome! I always try to include the info about the Palantir, because without that piece of information, viewers think Denethor is just an asshole.
22:19 that used to be part of Gondor until Sauron's forces took it over and it was given to the Witch King of Angmar as an attack base.
Sméagol and Deagol aren’t brothers, they’re friends. There’s a widespread belief among fans that they were cousins, but Tolkien only ever quoted them as being friends. That said, they came from what must have been a very small and a bit inbred of a community, so really they were probably all related. If you remember the first movie, Lothlorien being situated next to the river Anduin on which the Fellowship road the Elf boats … Sméagol’s community was located not far upstream (in the past … unknown if anything of it is left). Gondor and its ruined city of Osgiliath, where we see the orcs attack Faramir’s men, were located downstream.
Thank u for saying this, I went straight to the comments after she questioned their relation, seeing if anyone was gonna go “erm yeah, deagol is his cousin 👆🤓” lmaoo
Tolkien himself overtly confirmed the two were related in Letter 214: "Déagol, evidently a relative (as no doubt all the members of the small community were), had already given his customary present to Sméagol..."
Home is behind, the road ahead
and there are many paths to tread.
Through shadow, to the edge of Night
until the stars are all alight.
Mist and Shadow, Cloud and shade
all shall fade, all shall Fade...
Still one of the most Haunting and beautiful songs I've heard in a movie.
I believe the lyric is by Tolkien, but the melody was Billy Boyd himself. and what amazing rendition he does.
I just heard of the passing of Bernard Hill... RIP Théoden King 😢
I love these films and it's really enjoyable seeing them through some else's eyes whose never seen them before. Love your reaction. Insightful, sharp and really attentive. Loved it. Thank you!
17 oscars! And they didnt give best and supporting actor awards to Frodo and Sam. Instead of them they prefered to give Sean Penn and Tim Robbins in Mystic River movie. God damn!!!
7:10 there goes his staff. 7:44 😲 7:49 nice shot, Legolas! 8:10 that’s my favorite extended scene, after Saruman dies.
I'm so excited for Part 2!
RIP King Theoden died today :(
Something about Arwen in this movie : Elves are not undestructible but they have longevity - as long as the world (Arda) survives. Their souls are chained to the material world, sort of, while the souls of mortals go beyond Arda to Timeless Halls (to God). The last time elves and men can see each other are Mandos Halls (Afterlife place for both races) from then humans go to Eru (God) while elves are reborn in Valinor. Thats why the elves are much more in tune with their natural world (trees and animals) than mortal species. Their magic is deep understanding and connection with nature. the elves either live as long as the world or - if destroyed in battle or accident (falling from a cliff for example) - they reincarnate, are born again (usualy to their own parents normal way but with memories from their last incarnation) in Valinor (Immortal land of Valars, elves and Maiars). But there is another kind of death in their case - if their live becomes too much to bear they are unhappy or tortured by evil powers they can chose "death of grief" and IMO its death from lack of vitality and nutrition, collapsing in depression and starving. But the reasons for this must be realy great, like a foe killing all of your family or smt like that. In that case when an elf choses such death he or she can still be reborn in Valinor after spending a while in Mandos Halls (Afterlife for elven souls), the time spending there depends on their actions in life (for example great warrior Feanor (Galadriel's uncle) after 5 genocidal acts on other elven tribes will never be freed from Mandos Halls before Dagor Dagorath the Armagedon of this world). So it seems to me that they telling us about "Arwen's death" in the movie, they actualy have tried to confer this idea of "death of grief" rather than the surprisingly early effects of mortality on Awern. :) As in the book Arwen could return to Valinor even after Aragorn's death, Aragon himself asked her to go on his deathbed so she was able to still be an elf (with their longevity) and return home, its not like she must have died one day after him :) She choses mortal life and eventualy must die as humans but its not like, death from old age, as if she woudl have aged at once after being young for 2000 years :) In the book she dies about a year after him. The moment of death was her to chose. I think she could return to Valinor but she knew that she wanted to go to human's Afterlife with Aragorn, if she returned to Valinor after Aragorn's death she would be able to live as normal elf not dying at all, but if she was killed in war after being married to Aragorn she still would be (her soul) accounted as one of the elven souls and she would return to Valinor via Mandos Halls - this means that she would never see Aragorn's soul until the end of the world, Dagor Dagorath, when the world will be reborn (Second Music) in which both elves and men will be able to live together in one paradise. So she choses to become mortal but its not like she has to die the moment she choses it :) But I guess that they wanted to show us that she lost hope to see him and choses to die out of grief, that in the case of her believing that the war is lost, or Aragorn died she is able to chose to die. But their mention of idea that Arwen can not live becouse of some spread of evil from Mordor os smt like this - I think these lines were misleading - its not like some evil aura would influenced elves to become mortals instantly or become sick or smt, but elves have their own ability to control their bodies to such extend that they can force their bodies to die from grief becouse of any tragic reasons, including Sauron winning of course. Though in that case most elves would wanted to sail at this point to avoid the time waiting in Mandos Halls for new incarnation :)
RIP Bernard Hill
Kahla,
You have to be one of the most perceptive reactors I’ve seen on UA-cam. Pleas please PLEASE! Watch and react to Lonesome Dove. Both Tommy Lee Jones and Robert Duvall have stated they consider this mini series to be their finest work. Based on a novel by the same name, Lonesome Dove, was a Pulitzer Prize winner and is considered by many to be the absolute best American novel ever written.
If you found the Lord of the Rings trilogy moving, Lonesome Dove will surpass.
Please consider watching and reacting. You will not be disappointed.
- a quickly growing fan 😀
The Witch King of Angmar was already a powerful sorcerer, warrior, and Numenorian Lord (and probably already a traitor to Numenor and loyal to Sauron and evil as hell) when Sauron gave him one of the nine rings. (Numenor is the Middle Earth equivalent to Atlantis ruled by the descendants of Elrond's brother Elros - so they have elvish blood and live 2 to 3 times longer than your average human. The Numenorians who escaped the sinking of Numenor founded the kingdom of Gondor - Aragorn is their descendant) So he, of the nine lords of men who got the rings, was already more powerful - and more evil - than the others, and the Ring just gave him that much more power.
Have to say - I love how you're being so sympathetic to Boromir and Denethor (at least initially) ..
"Thats the only truth hes told in minute" 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Smeagol and Deagol were cousins and best friends, as close as brothers.
Thank you for another stellar reaction to this, my favorite fantasy world of all time. The thing about the One Ring (it is a representation of sin and temptation) is that it always drew from what was already in your heart. The darker your innermost already was the easier and quicker you fell, and Sméagol already was selfish and mischievous before, and used the Ring to cause all sorts of troubles in his village to the point where he was booted out from his grandmother's house who was matriarch of his family, that was before they even found out he murdered his cousin Déagol. Upon which he was exiled forever.
Some quick lore facts if you're interested for more context:
*The main reason Saruman turned was out of jealousy for Gandalf, who was more loved and respected despite Saruman being head of their Istari order of Wizards, who had divine mandate from the gods, the Valar, to lead the free peoples against Sauron. Saruman feared that Gandalf would supplant him as leader, even though Gandalf himself never wanted to*
*The full history of the world they live in (the planet of Arda) spans four ages and over 10,000 years. The Third Age where we are here, has been going on for 3000 years (it's the year TA-3019 in the last movie). Middle Earth is the middle continent of the world, and the War of the Ring only a snippet of all that has happened in-universe. But the One Ring is counted as one of, if not the most powerful weapon ever conceived.* I greatly recommend seeing the Hobbit prequel movies as well as reading the three books of Lotr and the Hobbit book, as well as the Silmarillion which details massive amounts of events before all of this.
Funny thing is, whenever you wonder why people don't immediately help, like with the ents, or Theoden, or the already dead ghost army, in the books there was no such hesitation. One of the things that irk me about the overall awesome movies. All the creatures that in the book are selfless heroic beings in the movies become petty selfish critters who only own up when they realize they're also affected. ... but oh well.
The actor who played the King of Rohan just passed away
Good one, Kahla! Loving this one so far! The board is set and the pieces are moving. Can't wait to see the finish now. 😊 Great job with this part!
Preemptive thumbs up.
If you like Andy Serkis, i am listening to the Lord of the Rings audiobook and he is the narrator
No disappointment in this one Kahla, spot on!
I’ll be waiting for the next release.
❤
Bernard Hill / Theodan King, has passed away 💔
18:21 It's not in the film, but in the book Denathor also has a Palantir, [seeing stone] and Sauron has used it to manipulate the situation.
What you need to keep in mind is that the ring sat undisturbed for 2000 years, and someone FINALLY happened upon it. Don't you think it would have used every once of power it had to stay found?
Another amazing video! I now look forward so much to your reactions that I get annoyed when they take too long to arrive❤😂😂😂you really are the best. I laugh, get angry, get sad all right with you. A++++++ can't wait for part 2
I too have wondered about Gollum never asking Frodo or Sam why they wish to go to Mordor, particularly as Frodo possesses the ring.
Your sympathetic view of Denethor is remarkable, many other reactors are just angry with him, but you get that he was grief-stricken over the death of Boromir, and although it's not clear in the movie, Denethor regularly looked into a Palantir, a seeing-stone, for information and news, but he was only permitted to see that which Sauron wanted him to see, and that was intended to work on his grief, and it slowly undermined his will and his thinking, depressing him even further, and slowly unhinging him, defeating his strength and courage, weakening the leadership and gradually threatening to bring about the fall of the city......all part of Sauron's great scheme...........Denethor originally was a great and noble leader, but by the time of the siege of the city, he was ready to break.....as we see.......
I love your smart comments - you follow the nuances of the story so well!
The final chapter of an incredible trilogy 🥲
It’s nice to see your compassion for Denethor, in spite of how hard he is to watch. I love Gandalf, but to both Denethor and to a lesser extent Theodin, he was like “er sorry about your son… ANYWAY.” XD I mean he could see the bigger picture and that Theodin shouldn’t blame himself etc. And it doesn’t excuse all of Denethor’s behavior. Still.
You’re right that a lot was going on with him before - I think the books suggest that he was somewhat corrupted and worn down by being so close to Mordor. Someone in the comments mentioned he also had a palantir? I can’t remember.
Serkis is definitely a little underrated...
Eowyn doesn't love Aragorn. She loves the idea of being like him: a leader, loved and respected by brave men, who can defend and inspire everyone.
As with King Theoden and Worm Tongue, Denethor II has a connection to Sauron through the Palantir (the "bowling ball" Seeing Stone). Denethor's unstable mind has been sullied, weakened, by Sauron through messages and images in the Palantir.
The greatest trilogy ever made
a big fish pulled Deagol into the water - remember that hobbits average hight is 90 - 120 cm so big fish can do it :) Its like pulling a kid of 8 or 9 years.
I'm loving your insightful reactions to these brilliant movies. Love from the UK,
I believe the new animated movie War of the Rohirrim will be release December this year to coincide with the usual release month when this trilogy came out. I hope they will have a LOTR day like Star Wars day for the fandom.
42. the gates ornamented with skulls - so inviting :D
Fangorn, or Treebeard is, in many ways, wise to the world, but also a very simple creature who is only wise to what he has direct experience off.. Case in point, he has never seen or heard of a hobbit, despite them having been around for centuries, and he believes Gandalf is young because he was around long before Gandalf came to Middle Earth.. he knows him as a wizard, which is how Gandalf, Saruman and 3 others present themselves.. but in fact Gandalf and Saruman, much like Sauron himself, are older than Middle Earth itself and no mere humans at all. Treebeard also knows he is powerless against magic and wizards, hence why the tower still stands. That said, he has forgotten more than many an elf will learn in their long lives, so there is the wisdom of age in him.
Elrond on the other hand, is a rather more dramatic character than appears on the surface. His parents basically left him and his brother behind... the father went on an epic quest and his mother ended up joining him at a later time.. they are literally amongst the stars that Elrond can look at every night. visible but out of reach. His brother, like him, was a half-elven, and when Elrond decided to live the immortal life of elves, his brother chose to be a human and lived a long life but ultimately passed away. since then, Elrond has been protecting and hosting and rising and educating and looking after his brother's offspring, of which Aragorn is the last one. His wife died centuries ago and left him alone to rise two twins and Arwen.. who now, as is her birthright as a half-elven, choses to live a mortal life, ultimately abandoning him... Elrond has been losing people he cares about for literal millennia....
Just wanted to say, I really enjoyed your reactions to this trilogy. ❤
The whole "Arwen is dying" thing is typical melodramatic elf talk 😂 lol she's not exactly dying like THAT, she's dying in the sense that she's given up being one with the Ainur and the rest of her people in true immortality in Valinor, and as the magic of middle earth wanes, as the evil of Sauron grows, so does she become "less" of an immortal being. Her fate is now fully tied to the fate of mankind. That, to a multi-mellenia-old elf like Elrond, is "dying". So yah, not being an eternal angelic being is basically dying. Elves are so dramatic and I love it.
Frodo needs to believe, Smeagol can come back, bc if he can, Frodo himself can come back