Last Spartans: the survival of Laconic Greek
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- The story of a Greek town that I'm told still preserves the Spartan tongue. I explore why they don't speak like the rest of Greece and dig into their connection to ancient Sparta. Will their Tsakonian language survive?
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~ CORRECTIONS & ADDITIONS ~
The man from Leonidio is a "headmaster", not "schoolmaster". His story and links to the recordings are in my sources doc below.
"hoplos researched" should read "hoplon researched" / "aspis researched" - my thanks to @Roelkonijn
~ SUMMARY ~
Ancient Greece was home to a variety of dialects. Athens and Sparta both put up a major fight. Long story short, the dialect of one of those cities won out. Guess which? Athens, of course. Attic Greek combined with a hefty dose of Ionic to form the Koiné (Common) Greek, the ancestor of basically all modern Greek dialects.
All but perhaps one. Travel to a small town in the south of Greece, where a headmaster leads his students up the hillsides to record the words of their elders. These aging villagers speak Tsakonian (Τσακώνικα), a special remnant that may soon crumble into another Greek artifact.
I look at pieces of the grammar and pronunciation of the language, and show you what sets it apart from Modern Greek. Search for any ancient holdouts it preserves. Consider its connection to the Doric dialect of Ancient Sparta. Finally, ponder its place in modern Greece and how much longer it will be with us.
~ CREDITS ~
Art, narration and animation by Josh from NativLang. A bit of the music, too.
Sources for claims and credits for sfx, images and music:
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RIP digamma...
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@@computo2000 Φ was pronounced as /pʰiː/ back then. So it is not 'F' technically.
You are LITERALLY the only non Greek person I've heard pronouncing the words correctly. Good on you my man.
But they weren't pronounced correctly; the only one pronounced correctly was Leonidios, basically.
Where did he pronounce incorrectly?
+FutureSight01 someone here said sometging that suprised me even though I am greek, Κοινή he said was ineed pronounced as κοϊνή (ko-i-ni) even though I am greek I feel like he is probably better at pronunciation than me
That's usually how we pronounce koine as English speakers. A more accurate ancient pronunciation would be pronouncing the eta as a long e sound, as he does with some words in the video. I thought his pronounciation was good because it was different each time, changing it to fit the period he was taking about.
isnt that the erasmic-or-spmething dialect? he said κοϊνή instead of κοινή because it wasnt supposed to sound like modern greek. that is my guess at least
In the works since April 2016! NativLang was much smaller then. It's perhaps the last story I will tell purely because I wanted to, with no one requesting it.
likes to dislikes so far is 85 - 0! you're on fire!
215-0 !
please do Circassian language
Stories this interesting don't usually pop up in the comments, I'd suggest you throw in some stories very few people have heard of every now and then..
375-0!
My mother and her siblings spoke this language...... I recognize a few words. When I went to a school to learn Greek, and spoke in class in the Greek I KNEW, the instructor, a native Greek speaker told me "STOP speaking that hillbilly Greek!!!" WHAT are you speaking? Where are you from?"
SPARTA.. was my answer. He shut his mouth real quick.
nice copypasta
Now Greece officially honors the Ponti & all of Ionia.
Then everyone clapped.
is this an episode of things that didn’t happened?
This is Sparta! ua-cam.com/video/eZeYVIWz99I/v-deo.html
Very interesting video and very nicely done! Congrats on your accent, I'm impressed!
Hahaha when that Spartan points his spear and says "if" it is so funny. I re watched that part a couple times.
Your greek is pretty good. Good job. 👍🏻
Hey NativLang! Huge fan! I'm from Wales and was wondering if you could do a video explaining the language, ty! I also love languages so watching your video's is a huge enjoyment for me :D
You should check the Ionian islands pronunciation, The original tones are kept. Like Tsakonian , Pontian and Cypriot were isolated from extreme changes.
You sound like a Greek native speaker!
Could you maybe make a video about the easiest (to learn or to understand) writing systems? According to linguists of course, if they exists :)
In Crete we have Doric archaisms in our language too. As the "κ" pronounced as "κτσε" and the missing "ν" at the end of a word if the next world is starting with a "σύμφωνο γράμμα ".
THIS IS SPARTAN!!!
geocedille you, which is your nation?
geocedille
SPARTAN!!! what is your nationality
Au au au au..
As you can see my friend i have more..... Just kidding.
geocedille geocedille
SPARTAN!!! what is your nationality
Au au au au..
As you can see my friend i have more..... Just kidding
Orlando, what is your PROFESSION!!!!?
very nice & interesting vid
Pretty good video!
Hello, topics that you cover are always interesting. What about covering isolated languages like Basque/Euskara or languages that got their script forcefully replaced by Latin like Filipino languages?
I wish i can learn Doric Greek as my first Greek base for understanding the rest of the dialects.
Im surprised he didn't mention the Maniots
MY FRIEND IS GREEK AND SHE CAN UNDERSTAND SPARTAN GREEK.
Ps love your videos and please do the Turkic languages
How about Verga? A Staff. Is it an old Digamma at the beginning of this word? Is it linked to ergon which originally would have had a digamma at the beginning?
Nice reference to AoE :D
So tldw: Russians get triggered when buying figs in sparta
wellmits more like sika souka were in tsakonian
TheHortoman exactly what I thought
@@Nestoras_Zogopoulos And in Finnish sika means pig - another confusion.
Well, the Greek says it more like siika (long i, English spelling 'seecah'). Now it's one type of fish. Well, still you'll get something to eat.
The Russian isn't as happy.
@@Qrani Is there a Greek word that sounds like 'blyat'?
PS: German tourists in Spain probably laugh at the city of Badajoz ("Badehosen" means "swimming trunks").
@@andyjay729 In Greek it's rare for words to end with consonants other than ς(named final sigma, s) or ν(n).So the possibility of finding a word that sounds like that is small.
One is μπλε(pronounced ble) that comes from French and means blue. The actual words for blue in Greek are γαλανό (galano) and κυανό (kiano).
Another one is μπλιαχ(bliah in cyrillic it would be probably written like this I think"блях") which is an expression of disgust, usually used when a piece of food has a horrible taste.
My grandparents and parents spoke Tsakonika whenever they decided that the kids don't need to hear this. They would start with "Tses pion" and we knew the conversation had turned to secret code.
Cool.
Kαι η δικη μου οικογενεια ειναι απο εκει. Βεβαια η γενια των γονιων μου δν τα εμαθε τα Τσακωνικα καλα
@@roccistuccijr.3545 Spartans do not love boy. They make war.
John I speak Tsakonian....are your grandparents alive...id love to meet them reach me 9Catsacoven@gmail.com it would be a treasure 💖
You have to know that there is Tsakonika and SaraTsakonika.....i know them both please let me meet your parents I'd love to save these words it truly is a rare gift.
I am always fascinated how many different languages you cover. Nothing but respect for you
My dad always said those people spoke ancient Greek, while us on the Island spoke "red neck" or mountain Greek. We speak differently from the main land or proper Athenian Greek. My mom tried to explain to him that those were different dialects but he insisted it was ancient Greek. Granted people on the island didn't get much education.
Spiral Breeze I am of Tsakonika I'd love to speak with your father please reach me 9Catsacoven@gmail.com
Thank you 💖 Its Always good to meet a family💖💖💖💖💖
I feel so bad that only a incredible small amount of the Greek population speaks the old ways! I loved hearing my granny talk ancient greek, bad luck she passed away a few years ago :(
@@pepin8277 discord.gg/AZgVG4K
I find it interesting that in portuguese we have glossário (from glossa), where we have a list of the words in a text and what they mean
@@MajWinters100 in italian too
NativLang, you amaze me once again! I'm Greek and, honestly, I didn't expect a video about Greek and, surely, not Tsakonian. Your modern Greek pronunciation is *excellent* (now approved by a Greek 😀) and your ancient Greek one also very good.
I hope I could say more than a "thank you", because not many people (and even Greeks) know about Tsakonian, which is severely endangered nowadays and I feel that this video will help a little bit to raise awareness about this awesome language deriving from Doric Greek.
Once again, thank you so much! Keep creating amazing content for people! We need to learn more about languages!
***** ¿?
***** Σωστά το είπε κι αυτό. Τα ελληνικά προφέρονταν αλλιώς εκείνη την εποχή.
Απόστολος Τουλούπας οντως εχει καλη προφορα
Modern greeks are not related to ancient greeks!!
Mom's Spaghetti 7 Do you happen to have any evidence for your extraordinary claims or do you just spew bullshit that you saw in a not-so-trustworthy website?
So now the official name for Sparta is spelled in the Athenian dialect. I guess this is payback for that whole 'Peloponnesian War' thing...
The ancient town of Sparta had disappeared over the centuries; in the Middle Ages, the city was at Mystras, a few kilometres away. In the 19th century, Mystras was destroyed, and the modern town of Sparta established. At that time, people already spoke a version of modern Greek derived from koiné.
Doric came from ancient Macedonia , Macedonians and Athenian Yonans spoke different languages and still do.
Haris Manou Hahaha too much politicant bullshit.
I hate when someone spread lies ...Macedonian is Macedonian language from united Macedonian tribes under Aminta the Macedon. Slavic and Hellenic sheared common development in both Republic of Macedonia( you are using politicant forced reference by Greece/Athens negating whole nation) and region Macedonia in northern Greece since 1913 ,while in 1921 are settled Ottoman Christians instead native Macedonians. In Republic of Macedonia are 20 % Muslims(Greece has slaughter Muslims and indoctrinate Macedonians and others in neo-Greeks).
Vulgarians was nor slavs nor christians when they met Macedonians.Macedonians simply understand south-Serbian and western-Bulgarian as they lived together trough Ottoman and Roman period whit out today borders....whole Ottoman Macedonia spoke one language Macedonian!
Political idea from Greek Megaliidea is Katravursa language of scholars to take shape in Demotiki ( Arvanites,Vlach,Jew,Armenians,Egytians...) and use ancient Koine(ancient Macedonian as first language of Macedonian empire) as mask.
Haris Manou hahahha idiot in deny spreading lies in shape of political propaganda.
I always was interested in Tsakonian Greek. I always found it pretty.
It's a shame when things become completely standardised. Keep Greek dialects alive!
@@ATee-vx6dm Sadly (and quite ironically) on the whole world there is a tendency to ridicule strange-sounding dialects, while in fact they often contain much more archaistic features than the standarised/official form itself. They are also a unique evidence of specific local history, which shouldn't be erased.
As a native speaker, I have to say that I fell in love with your pronunciation!
Hey Lysandros is there any concerted effort to standardized the language?
Μιλάς τα Τσακόνικα η μόνο τα ελληνικά;
I'm a Greek linguist and this is very accurate. Excellent job! How do you manage to find so many pieces of accurate information from all kinds of languages and still manage to pronounce it correctly?
Modern greeks are not related to ancient greeks!!
dienekes.awardspace.com/articles/hellenes/
false
D84 There's a cool thing called the IPA, when you learn it you can pronounce everything right
@@joshualapura Have you study Ancient Greek language? Where are you from?
@@nbksrbija1039 haha, exactly what I'm gonna say.
OK your greek accent is just perfect!
Really, I think its a bit 'imitative'. Imitative is OK, but hardly 'perfect'...
+elkhananeli Well, he understands the phonemes perfectly, he only needs experience speaking the language. He's 90+% there.
@@aik777 τα είπε έτσι γιατί έτσι λέγονται στην διάλεκτο που αναφέρεται ολόκληρο το βίντεο !!!Έλεος! Έτσι ακριβώς τα λένε και στα τσακώνικα αυτό είναι το νόημα η διαφορά από τα ελληνικά που ξέρεις.
Maybe he is from Greece
@@aik777 discord.gg/AZgVG4K
I was talking to a Brit today and after telling him I live in Leonidio, he sent me this video. Thank you for making this! I may be a native, but you sure taught me a lot today :O
Oh, hey, Alkis!
@@altralinguamusica - Hey, Michael! Fancy meeting you here 🤣
Aww a nice reunion in the replies
3:22 Cyka?? RUSH B!!!
yes bylat
blyat not bylat
Christos NB bylat Is more accurate
@@christosnb8444 блять!
NovanoDelta да, I don’t know Russian
You should do Cypriot Greek, it's interesting plus it's still heavily used in Cyprus, it would be easy to find material for it!
yes a distinctly different dialect. To me it sounds more archaic than Athenian Greek
@Kukurukuku Rhodian
@Cat People documentarys we speak lesbian dialect which is not regnorised
@Cat People documentarys discord.gg/gnC7bvS
The one that struck me the most is the vanne=sheep. In Cypriot Greek its arnni.
σούκα μπλιατ
*μπλίατ
*Σούκα μπλιάτ, ίντι ναχούι. Ρούσ μπι. Ρεπόρτ σούκα, νούμπ τίμ. Νο τζιτζι.
χαχαχαχαχα :P
Σουκα μπλιαχ 😂😂
Rush 🅱
"A common dialect 'SPEARHEADED' by Athens." I see what you did there.
Sirspookyface15 exactly
Those helmets are very phallic.
Philip of Macedon: If I enter Laconia, I will raze Sparta to the ground!
Spartans' reply: "If".
Thus did "laconic" become a synonym for "concise" or "abrupt".
Fantastic video, as always! Western Greek, including the Doric, Northwestern and Achaean dialects, was once spoken in approximately half of today's Greece. Aside from the survival of Tsakonian, Modern Greek maintains a small Doric substratum, so, certain words that ended in _-η_ in Attic are used in their _-α_ form. _Βελόνα_ (as opposed το _βελόνη_) is a universal example, but there are also cases like _ζέστα_ (instead of _ζέστη_) that are only used locally.
Dialectal diversity is not celebrated nearly as much as it should in Greece, and that holds especially true for Tsakonian. Incidentally, I feel that many impressive features of the language are hidden by the fact that it's transcribed using Modern Greek spelling rules in most sources, which doesn't suit all of its phonological features. The retention of the (etymological) digamma is especially fascinating to me.
Love your videos, keep it up! By the way, your modern Greek pronunciation is excellent!
Andreas Bampouris I love your knowledge! Teach us master
Χαίρομαι που δεν είμαι ο μόνος με την τρέλα για τη γλωσσολογία! :D
Kai sthn Kypro exoume th lexh velona
Μπόλικη τρέλα. Ευτυχώς αναπτύχθηκε όσο έχουμε ακόμα έστω και λίγο κόσμο να τα μιλάει γιατί σε λίγα χρόνια θα ομογενοποιηθεί πλήρως η γλώσσα.
@@radawald 100% φυσιολογικό.. Οι εποχές άλλαξαν, και ο κοσμος είναι πιο "συνδεδεμένος" από ποτέ.. Όλοι θέλουν να μπορούν να συνεννοηθούν κάπως μεταξύ τους..
Δεν θα μου φαινόταν καθόλου περίεργο άμα σε μερικά 100αδες χρόνια όλος ο κόσμος απ' όλες τις χώρες μιλούσαν μόνο μια γλώσσα...
"Ancient Sparta had it's own way of speaking Greek!" like you mean almost every single Greek state and some villages even today? xD
You missed the point of it. 😑😑
@@L.K.S.R. but its true tho😂
@@kokutennsh8899 and so did you apparently
I am Greek and a linguistics graduate and I must say the way you pronounce Greek words is spot on. Tsakonian is indeed an amazing language. I hope it survives. I know that some years ago it started being taught at schools in Leonidio but dunno if it still goes on.
I hope so, too 🇬🇷🍀👍🏻.
Where can I learn Tsakonian? I love this language
I like language. Since I'm from Sweden, could you maybe do the Sami language. I'd enjoy it.
yolotad that would be interesting
I am Greek. BUMP for Sami language!
A video about the other Uralic language would be nice as well! Hungarian has already been made...
I second this!
Ja! Det skulle va skit kul
Fun fact: in Civilisation 6, Gorgo (leader of Sparta) speaks in the Doric dialect! For example, she says "tas nikas" instead of "tes nikes" (meaning "of the victories"). Talk about attention to detail!
Spartan language survived to any extent??? YEEEEESSS! YES!
Am I the only one who picked up on the Age of Empires reference in there?
You mean the little Spartan research track achievements? If so, those were great, and relate to a lot of other games as well.
He kept saying "Suka". Suka means Bitch in Russian XD
+Leggo / Prostatus5 ЕБАТЬ-КОЛОТИТЬ!!)
Blyat
Didn't the Cyrillic language take parts of the Greek language when it was formed?
+Jane Za Perhaps it's a coincidence that the Italian word for fig is often used as a sexual euphemism. So when guys say "Che figa!", which literally translates to "What a fig!", they're really saying she's got a hot pussy (though this is not considered overly sexist or offensive even by Italian women; it's merely a causal way of saying "you're beautiful").
Suka , Che figa not coincidence euphemism is universal.
There is no Cyrillic and Greek are not languages they are alphabets,along whit Latin they have same roots Phoenician bu evolved in Macedonia.
Wow as a native speaker your modern Greek pronunciation is so amazing!
I'm so impressed! Μπράβο! Καλή συνέχεια !
He is an actor, presenter with a good ear for imitation. Not impressive merely imitative. Which is OK for the video.
He also switches between modern Greek pronunciation and reconstructed pronunciation for ancient words - v good
* κόινε * * σούκα *
elkhananeli What a dick. He's the guy who does reasearch for the channel, and he studied linguistics at university. Also, he has an excellent pronunciation of many languages, he can pronounce Italian, spanish and French almost flawlessly. There's no need to dimish his worth when he's really that good
Super interesting stuff. I'd love to see a video about how Greek influenced Latin and the other languages around them.
They are studies of a lifetime.
So, the language of the Spartans has survived and is still spoken today? Wow, that's unbelievable! BTW, do you have any videos about the Coptic language of Egypt? I heard that's another tongue that's also in danger of dying off, in fact, it's the living descendant of the Ancient Egyptian language, albeit with some changes over the centuries.
It's not a living language. It's last native speakers were in the 1800's. Today it's mainly used as a liturgical language by Oriental Orthodox churches in Egypt and the Horn of Africa.
@@dieselface1 I know it’s not technically a living language, but it is entirely possible for two Orthodox Church officials knowledgeable of Coptic scripture and written language to talk with one another only in Coptic. It can be used as a Lingua franca for some Christians, in the same way an Italian rabbi and a polish rabbi could communicate using rough Hebrew as a common tongue hundreds of years before it’s official resurgence as a living language
This is fascinating, and I wonder how Tsakonian compares with Griko, another endangered Greek dialect with ancient roots, still spoken in southern Italy.
Griko is a direct descendant of the doric dialect which was spread in magna graecia by spartan colonists. For example Tarantines.
When I hear Griko I hrar clearly Cretan words and accent
Griko derives from Koine and Medieval Greek, not Doric, it may have been influenced by it but doesn't come from that, reason being that not all of the colonies in Magna Graecia were Doric and in the Middle Ages, Greek speakers came in Italy in different periods, thus replacing the previous Hellenes who lived there.
I'm sorry for link this on game, but I kinda imagine how Kratos from God of War game franchise talk. He would sounds scarier in Tsakonian Greek 🤧
well, in Cyprus people say /che/ instead of /ke/
Actually they say /je/.
In Crete too.
It sound like close to "ch", but it's still "k"!
When I listen to my cypriot friends I hear /che/, although they still write και.
I IPA that sound is classified as [ t͡ʃ ] but it is slightly voiced when people use fast speech, and, oh boy, they do speak at warp speed
I am from a different Greek city and the ancient dialect of my city is Doric too. The funny thing is that even the origin of the dialects eclipes, a lot of words and expressions still exist. We do not talk like that nowdays but if we see a text we can read it and understand most of it. It's like a magic to understand words, something that you never use in real life. Well in that specific form at least !!!
NativLang Amazingly interesting video, a Greek myself and a languages enthusiast I can only say I was impressed in the very idea that Tsakonica may derive from Laconica, more so on remnants of the Doric dialect.
Another thing, I would really enjoy a video on the erasmian pronunciation of ancient Greek and Latin.
thanks for sharing, keep up the great job!
Yeap, the Erasmian pronunciation of Ancient Greek would be most interesting, especially for us Greeks. Not many of us know the ancient Greek were pronounced differently than modern.
Angelos Sideris Well, maybe not the Erasmian pronounciation, but the *reconstructed* one. Erasmian is not considered accurate anymore, as it is suited to the pronunciation of other European languages to make learning anc. Greek easier. For example, in anc. Greek φ was pronounced /pʰ/ but in Erasmian it is simplified to just /f/, because it is an easier sound to produce.
I'm also surprised that I find Greeks on the internet that don't laugh at the anc. Greek pronunciation. Most people, unfortunately, have never researched on this topic and think that Pericles was speaking with modern pronunciation...
Απόστολος Τουλούπας Yeap, the reconstructed one, you're right.
Απόστολος Τουλούπας Yes, the reconstructed one, thank you! I'm not sure about that, not being considered accurate anymore, since it is widely used in all academia, and I'm talking for both ancient Greek and Latin. Not that this is the only criteria needed, just saying.
Tbh I'm quite confused since I get both sides. I mean, on the one hand the erasmian reconstruction is based on "logical grammatical assumptions", and on the other, I can see a continuation of the Koine Greek through Medieval that can be seen eventually in modern Greek. I guess that there's not a safe way to tell for sure, and as always the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
Angelos Sideris The Erasmian is not perfect, but one could say it's fairly close to the ancient pronunc. and at the same time made easy for learners. It is not considered accurate by linguists, because linguists study languages in depth, therefore they need a pronunc. to work with which is as close as possible to the original.
Indeed, at 300 AD Greek sounded almost like today, with a few differences like the pronunciation of υ and οι as /y/ (like the German ü). But here we're talking about Greek of the 5th cent. BC and more specifically the Attic dialect. You can see for yourself how the pronunc. was reconstructed. There's a book called Vox Graeca that explains it all. Or you could just read ancient signs that were written before the reform of 403 BC, when the Greek alphabet took its final form. For example, in Nestor's Cup (8th cent. BC) it says ποτέριον and αφροδίτες instead of ποτήριον and αφροδίτης (η was introduced as long e in 403 BC from the Ionic alphabet), τόδε and καλλιστεφάνο for τοῦδε and καλλιστεφάνου (ου was long o in Archaic Greek, then changed to u in Attic), ηίμερος and ηαιρέσει instead ἵμερος and αἱρέσει (η was the symbol of daseia before its new pronunc. was introduced in 403), and many more. Sorry for the long comment!
All Greeks today are the same from 3000 bc
1:23
"...Sparta's long Alphas..."
I like that pun xD
There was no "turkey"!!!
It's «Asia Minor»!!!
Micra asia
Today those "Turks" are really Turkified Greeks and other peoples of Anatolia once forcelly converted to Islam.
Spring Qiu Bull. Turks are the closest people to native Anatolian. Greeks were the conquerers.
Lol no they are not, a real Turk looks like a northern chinese person. The majority of Turks in Turkey today are not real Turks, only 10% of them look like real Turks. Anatolians are far closer to Greeks and have been since before proto-Greek.
Zeno Rosé If a historian hears that Turks are the closest people to native Anatolians, will laugh. Turks, belong to the so called Turkic people, alongside with Azerbaijan or Turkmenistan and others. They descend from Central Asia.Their first appearance in Asia Minor was in 11th century a.d.while Greeks are located in Asia Minor since 13th century b.c. That means that Greeks were there almost 24 centuries before Turks. Some of the most famous greek cities there are Miletus, Smyrna, Halicarnassus, Trabzon, Sinope, or Byzantium are just a few. You just show how ignorant you are.
1:42 please don’t say Turkey. It’s Asia Minor. Saying Turkey is anachronistic since Turkey didn’t exist back then, nor was the area inhabited by Turks.
Make Anatolia Greek Again!
Can you talk about the Cretan Greek dialect?? I am a descendant of the Cretan diaspora and on my visits to Crete, I noticed that Cretan Greek is dying and for the most part, only the elderly speak it (contrary to what Wikipedia says). I know Crete has a different history from the rest of Greece and nearly wasn't included in the modern Greek state, but I have no idea why the dialect is so odd. I don't speak Greek, but the little I know allows me to see obvious differences between Athenian Greek and Cretan Greek: the -ch instead of -k sound being the most obvious (kochino instead of kokino), but also word differences like "pamene" instead of "pame" (although according to relatives, only in some villages).
That ch was because of Venetian occupation of the island
we also do a different “L” sound, and we have plenty of cretan-specific words! :))
Νο you are wrong, the cretan dialect is a typicall southern one, and it has influenced more than any other than the peloponnesian the formetion of the modern greek...maybe you have noticed in Crete that Cretans like to grumpling a lot. Plus, Crete was in the plans for incorporations from the very beginning of the Greek Revolution.
@@thrakiamaria You like to phantasized that you...are Venetians. I guess that you will be disappointed to know that tsitakism is very common in southern dialects and exists even in some areas of the northern ones, like Desphina etc.
@@anionchloriou3483 tsitakism is also known in southern Italy to the grigo population. It happened by venetian occupation of the island.
So basically what you're saying is Spartans were the Greek alphas
they were pretty beta in other aspects
Man, motherfuck Sparta. Athens 4 lyf bruuuuuuh...jk
Horny Aleks Sarcasm. Look at the jk at the end. Jesus...
TadRaunch More like Chads.
Doric Makedones were much better. Spartans could do a hoplite phalanx and that's it. A single trick even done extremely well is still just a single trick.
What about other Greeks like Italiot Greek, Pontic Greek, Mariupol Greek
And cypriot greek
They all derive from the Attic-Ionic variety, the same of Demotic Greek, Tsklonian is the only Hellenic language that derived from Doric.
@@julianfejzo4829 The italiot greek (grecanico and griko) derived from doric spoken in "Magna Grecia" (Megale Hellas) but it was influenced by latin, byzantine greek (ionic derived ) and italian.
@@elenagalatarioti5118 Cypriot Greek is Koine Greek with Arcadian DIalect
I only recently learner that some extreme southern Italians speak a weird dialect no other Italians had any hope of 7 freestanding because it is like a form of old Greek, but Cypriots and certain other Greeks could understand them. And now I understand why some southern Italians with the Mercuri family name dpell it as Mercuri (as in Mercury, the ancient God of whatever... ) And others spell it as Mercouri. Depending on how Greco or how Latin their family origins were. 6he ones who spell it as Mercouri have more obviously Greco heritage.
I love how everyone I'm subbed to just uploaded at once.
Very nice video!
Athens has always been expansive,even and now..
It's such a pity that the pronounciation is lost,we now pronounce "αί,οί,εί,ύ,ί,ή" the same way,as well as the "o" "ω" and ''ῶ",even though they mean different things.
It's a great thing to know,in one way,that your culture is preserved,especially nowdays that our Ministry of Education keeps changing the school books(for example,they want to abolish the lesson of Ancient Greek from the highschool).
I'd learn so many languages, if I had the time.
But school.
xXInfXx when school gets in the way of your learning LOL
Yeah.
If I could, I'd learn Nahuatl, Greek, Doric...
xXInfXx Nahuatl? Good luck lol
I mean... there's still places in Mexico that speak it.
Plus I have a tutorial on pronunciation and prefixes and suffixes right on this youtube channel.
Wait until you get to start working ;)
3:23 Just finished playing CSGO to hear more cyka
THIS IS SPARTEEEEEE
There was no Turkey at the time of Sparta and Athens.
How about a video on the Sicilian dialect? Lots of borrowed/left over Greek words for sure.
In cyprus we have many words from venician time,like scarpa, or scarpini,pomilori for tomato,strata for street,and lot of more,when creco in calabria speak greco lunguage i like i here cypriot dialect,and i understand a lot
Could you do a video on why Swiss German sounds different from the Austrian or German dialects?
your pronunciation of greek words is very good for an English speaker
It's all Greek to me.
Laconia region has a fascinating history. Not only they have the last remnants of old Greek in their language, but they were also the last region of Greece that held out from changing their old Olympian religion and embracing newer Chalcedonian Christianty, centuries after it had been made official in Roma and Constantinopolis.
Russian speakers will giggle childishly when hearing "souka".
What does "soyka' mean in Russian? 😀
@@GeorgeFrantzis bitch
@@GeorgeFrantzis ”Сука” (pronounced like the Tsakonian word: ”Souka”) means: ”Bitch”, in Russian.
Yeah those dialects only survive in remote villages
who non greek can answer why spartans have an Λ(L) on their shields an not an Σ(S) if they are called spartans?
answer is below
its because they wernt called spartans but Λακεδαιμόνιοι(Lakedemonie) sparta was their capital not their whole ehm.."nation"
doric world was not only sparta and lakonia.. many islands were doric, also crete, many colonies in south italy and the south part of minor asia... lakedaimona as you said was all the aera.. lakedemona was the area of 5 cities and sparta was the bigger of them.
They have τσιτακισμό in Crete too (eg. το πανεπιστήμιο τση Κρήτης - the university of Crete). Cretans are well known descendants of the Doric tribe too.
I'd love to see a video made for Cretan Greek, and compare it with old Doric Greek, to see differences and similarities.
Amazing video, ευχαριστώ πολύ :).
NativLang: "Suka"
Russians: *W H A T D I D Y O U S A Y*
It is interesting how a language can persist for thousands of years through multiple great cultural shifts, changes of sovereignty, religion, and more, and it takes little more than a century of State Education to all but obliterate said language.
Kinda makes me think about regional slang/dialects in the US and how they can vary from city to city, even in cities that aren't very old like Los Angeles vs. San Francisco, or areas that aren't very far apart like New York vs. New Jersey. I don't know why this fascinates me so. Maybe because the US is so young you wouldn't expect there to be any differences at all? Any interest in looking into this, or are such things too lowly for a guy that studies ancient Greek dialects?
there is a very simple explanation for the new york new jersey slangn, New Netherlands (euhm, Nieuw Nederland )
as a university student og latin and ancient Greek I love these😂
So Cypriot next? Personally the best sounding Hellenic dialect.
Naah, Thessalonikian masterrace ;)
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Science Leponi .. well it does sound like it but is bit more complex... I can tell from my experience I'm half Greek and half Cypriot
half Cypriot myself, and used to go to Greece quite often. Cypriot you could say is very hillbilly comparatively, less posh sounding and use a lot of old village words that Greeks cannot understand.
I wouldn't call Cypriot a hillbilly dialect. That award would be given by all ignorant people to the Norther greek dialects, with their vowel reduction ε>ι ο>ου in unstressed syllables.
Can you do a video on the Irish language? Love your videos! Thank you for spending so much time on them, they are greatly appreciated :) Also please keep telling the stories that you want to tell us, we will find them fascinating, request or no request.
This is amazingly accurate and well presented ! I wasn't aware that Τσακώνικα were that close to Doric Greek.
Thanks ! Keep it up !!!
ps: I'd love to see a similar video for Cretan Greek, which as far as I know are of Doric origin as well, and and is spoken even today in some villages of Crete, with many words much closer to ancient Greek than their modern Greek equivalent.
ΣΚΡΟΥΤΖ ΜΑΚ ΝΤΑΚ Εισαι Κρητικος? Αν ναι απο που? εγω απο Αγγουσελιανα
I'm greek and I really loved and appreciated this video, thank you!
Loved it. I absolutely did! I sooo need to learn Greek now!
Wow, I honestly had no idea about this. I'd love to see more videos on similar topics - other dialects that preserve features that most varieties lost.
Waiting for the Pontic dialect !
This is great! I knew nothing about it...will be passing this on to my Hellenist colleague to see if he did.
I have been learning to wright in a modified greek alphabet suited for English
You should do a video about Cypriot Maronite Arabic thats a really interesting and dying language. It practically has a lot of Syriac and Greek loans.
What?
Perhaps a video on the Cypriot dialect ? In a way, the Cypriot dialect is closer to older versions of Greek than actual Greek spoken in Greece. For example, many of our words still end in "n", where in Greece they disappeared. Also not to mention the "sh" "ch" and "dj" sounds that you won't hear any time soon in Athens. And the interesting mix of Turkish hidden inside our vocabulary. I reckon it would make an interesting video
And you have -opoulos (Peloponnesean) & -ides (Ponti) endings on your names. How'd that happen?
The closest Greek tongue to ancient Greek is Pontic Greek, specifically from the Of Valley, but the Pontic Greek language in general and in general their culture is more close to that of ancient Greece than anything else
That's because we ARE Greeks.... Y. Mee
sh dj and ch are common sounds in many Greek dialects, also spoken near Athens. They exist in my native dialect too
These sounss all exist in Turkiah.Speaking of Turkish,there many fascinating dialects of it.I am sad that they are going away.
Tsakonian sounds really similar the dialect of Greek spoken in Cyprus.
Mycenaeans, Arcadians and lastly Dorians populated cyprus
Tsakonian has some similar phonetics to some Island varieties of Greek, but vocabulary-wise and structurally it would not be intelligible to a Cypriot anymore than any other Greek
This channel is awesome.
Even if the Greeks call Sparta Sparte, we'll always pronounce it as Sparta.
Good for you?
funnily enough 'doric' is also the name of the variety of English spoken around Aberdeenshire
You could something about wymysiöeryś language. It has quite a specific story.
In English it's called Wymysorys or Vilamovian.
Cute little Spartan.
this was a great video. My family and I are all from Greece and half of my Greek descendents are Spartans. It is nice to hear a non Greek person speaking Greek pretty well.
You sure are you spartans descendants? like king leonidas?
Brilliant, thank you!
I had no idea the Laconic tongue was still living.
Ah yes, Sparta, once an influential city with a wide network of puppet states, then reduced to such oblivion that it completely disappeared from the map, and Mystras took over its role as the central city of Laconia...
The Spartans fairly wiped themselves out, but not quite. Don't tell a Maniati he's not a Spartan. You're likely to be shot on the spot.
Every one has a rise and a fall
You speak Greek well. You need to look into Pontian Greek.
I have to thank this channel because:
1) It's my favorite channel.
2) I'm fifteen and now I think I know which my job will be.
3) I'm Italian (probably you already know for the mistakes I made) and know I'm way more confident in English.
4) I think all videos are great and interesting.
5) In Italy no one is interested in linguistics and I know what I know thanks to this channel.
Thanks NativLang.
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@@sbubwoofer Yes! XD the math is mathing. My English is better now I swear. Also, I am studying linguistics now so there's that 😁