Great video! When placing the art files (layers) onto the PCB, I recommend turning the grid size up as high as it will go (100 mils or 5 mm) and placing everything at the same location. The centroid of the layer (footprint) you create should line everything up nicely.
@@KeysightLabs I wonder if the mixup may stem from the fact that some time-lapse apps can be used to make stopmotion videos, as some allow you to press a button to take a frame, then set playback frame rate etc so they work for both
NICE!!! Who did you buy the small run of front panel stickers from? Boring, I know, but if I ask for lamination and precise cutouts suddenly everyone has minimum order quantity of 1000...
I've gotten custom stickers with precise cutouts made from Sticker Genius. Not affiliated, just a past customer. Their order process can be a bit annoying, but the results were good and minimum order of 1 (a bit pricey however)
And PCB fabs _do_ actually "lay down some copper", in a way! From what I've seen of the process, the initial FR4 laminate contains a very thin layer of copper - much thinner than the 35μm of a standard PCB - so the etching process is faster, less copper is wasted, and the etching solution lasts longer. Then once the design is etched, they deposit more copper on top of what remains, until it gets to the desired thickness. This also means they can produce whatever thickness of copper layer you want - if you're willing to pay for it ;) (Of course different PCB fabs may have different processes. I've seen videos from at least 4 fabs now, I think, so there's a chance I'm confusing things between those fabs' processes!)
You can get multiple colours/layers of solder resist on a single board if you sweet-talk/pay your fab enough ;) I'm pretty sure some of Saar Drimer's Boldport projects use at least 2 solder resist colours, and I swear I once saw a photo of a rainbow on a PCB... Saar actually used EuroCircuits to produce his Boldport PCBs, incidentally, so they seem to be one option for lots of colours! :)
@@KeysightLabs Ah yes, I think that's the one I saw! 🌈🍏 How much extra effort that is would likely depend on the fab's processes, but you probably at least need your own panel - which I doubt was an issue for Saar making several hundred kits for each Boldport project. [Disclaimer-of-sorts: I've been a Boldport Club member since project #6 in August 2016 and love the community that Saar built around his artistic electronics kits. Big fan~ 😸] ... So how long until one of the big Chinese PCB fabs offers a pooling service that lets you use all of their solder resist colours on a single board at the super-low prices we're now used to? 😁 Could they just run the panel through the solder resist stage multiple times, once per colour? They may have to limit the stacking of resist layers to prevent the board surface becoming too "contoured" from e.g. 6 layers of resist piled on top of each other - or maybe that wouldn't be a problem and we could use that effect to create more tactile PCB surfaces; who knows! I imagine several layers of resist could be thick enough to cause problems with components not sitting on pads properly, especially packages like QFN/DFN and maybe QFP. People say that ENIG is better than HASL for such packages because the "S" may not be as "HA-L" as you'd like (👀), but 6 layers of stacked solder resist under a package would be much worse, I think! However that'd just be another design guideline: only use 1 layer of resist under SMD parts. No need to restrict layering of resist at the fab just for that reason! 😸 Alternatively... some fabs are already using inkjet-style "printers" for the "silkscreen"/legend. Could the same/similar machines be used to _print_ the solder resist? Using either a series of those printers, one per colour, or a single printer with all 6~9+ colours... I don't think they have quite as much resolution as you tend to want for solder resist, but maybe with a bit more R&D they can get there! 😁 ...sorry, I should maybe be sending this to Seeed/PCBWay/JLCPCB/etc. rather than boring everyone on UA-cam! 😅😇 Engineering mind + ADHD can be a bit wild at times... 😆
What a weird coincidence, I downloaded KiCad last night for a project! Then I see your video this morning and I hadn't even considered PCB art before... that's cool too! I've heard good things about OSH Park, but have never tried their services... I hope to win a gift card so it will make the decision easier to try them, I've used Advanced Circuits in the past or made a small run of DIY boards at home.
I've used OSH Park a couple of times. They have very nice PCBs and finish them with excellent quality. I highly recommend them and no, I am NOT paid by them nor do I work for them. The only gripe I've had is occasionally you have to sand the edges off as they'll have spikes sticking out where the PCB is cut from the panel, so you have to sand them down. However it's a 2 minute process with a rasp so for me it's a non-issue.
@@OtherDalfite That's great... and Thanks for letting me know, that's very encouraging! I will be using them to make my PCB's, Like I said I've heard a lot of nice things about them.
@@raymitchell9736 also with KiCad I forgot to mention, make sure you take advantage of premade PCB footprints with the library loader software. Super, SUPER useful. And don't rely on just mouser. There's almost always a footprint somewhere out there if you can't find it on mouser.
I have been using kicad for a while after having used altium, and I couldnt figure out how to put art on PCBs (used a script with altium). The footprint tip is a great idea.
A Gold leafed scope would make a magnificent prize of functionality. In fact I was so inspired I just ordered a hundred 9cm sheets of gold leaf that could embellish my Desktop challenge prize if I win. ..ordered a new sexy looking soldering station too.
This is awesome! I knew you could make custom PCBs as there are a lot of homebrew projects especially for retro computers but making an art out of them is this easy I never guessed it. I feel like I should make something just to have a reason to design my own PCB. The closest I could think is that abandoned pinball project of mine from a couple of years ago...
Creative and fun! Great idea - now your company can produce a REPLACEABLE front panel to customize our equipment! But put a clear plexiglass on top, so we can just print one for every day teams! Please send me the scope, so I can play with your creation. Thank you very much!
@@KeysightLabs awesome, thanks! May have to get one of these and do some kind of smd capacitor blinky or something. Maybe a cool use for an attiny10 or some simpler technique
in your dreams lol. They have like 3 scopes to give away and there are like 500,000 eligible people. You have better chances of literally winning the lottery.
If you are not company or premium user (you are poor working with electronics person) don't expect to win any test gear, i tried for 4 years now and nothing, i even bring my friends and family in and still nothing! The people start to see this and left those set up no win fake games. Those 4 channel scopes cost as much as a land with house in my country, so yeah ... no win for people like me.
@@KeysightLabs as a multi million dollar global electronics company I expect better. There is literally video of top CCP officials bragging about the mass theft of US intellectual property, and yes much of this theft is based out of shenzhen china. Clearly you must be at least somewhat aware of what's going on if your replying to some random "troll" comment on youtube. I recommend you inform yourself of the current political reality of the world before you screw yourself and the rest of the country with you.
Daniel's energy is infectious!
one of the best most organized and concise art tutorial
Thank you!
Love the small catch phrases with Single Button and others at 0:34
Great video! When placing the art files (layers) onto the PCB, I recommend turning the grid size up as high as it will go (100 mils or 5 mm) and placing everything at the same location. The centroid of the layer (footprint) you create should line everything up nicely.
Thanks Chris, and good tip!
Maybe I've been using these terms wrong, but what you call a "time-lapse" I would call a "stop-motion"
Yes, I've been using the wrong word, apparently
Potaeto, potaato. pvc pcb.
@@KeysightLabs I wonder if the mixup may stem from the fact that some time-lapse apps can be used to make stopmotion videos, as some allow you to press a button to take a frame, then set playback frame rate etc
so they work for both
Frankly I applaud the Keysight marketing team... You're completely freewheeling, that's refreshing!
Thanks! Gotta have some fun with it :)
I was excited to see a pcb in production through time lapse. The stop motion was adorable.
The music is "Always the same" by SefChol if someone was wondering.
Great video also.
That black FR4 is just so nice.
Right!?
I've used OSHPark in the past (And had great results!) but the new after dark service is new to me, they look fantastic!
NICE!!! Who did you buy the small run of front panel stickers from? Boring, I know, but if I ask for lamination and precise cutouts suddenly everyone has minimum order quantity of 1000...
I've gotten custom stickers with precise cutouts made from Sticker Genius. Not affiliated, just a past customer. Their order process can be a bit annoying, but the results were good and minimum order of 1 (a bit pricey however)
PLEASE JUST GIMMIE DAT METAAAA
Doing this for a while now for custom front panels. You can achieve amazing results and look/feel way nicer than 3D printed ones
Lol, was that Dave at the end ?
Ooh yeah
Cool design! These golden sections looks amazing! Now You have a golden scope, not only bottle opener scope.. 😂
And PCB fabs _do_ actually "lay down some copper", in a way!
From what I've seen of the process, the initial FR4 laminate contains a very thin layer of copper - much thinner than the 35μm of a standard PCB - so the etching process is faster, less copper is wasted, and the etching solution lasts longer. Then once the design is etched, they deposit more copper on top of what remains, until it gets to the desired thickness.
This also means they can produce whatever thickness of copper layer you want - if you're willing to pay for it ;)
(Of course different PCB fabs may have different processes. I've seen videos from at least 4 fabs now, I think, so there's a chance I'm confusing things between those fabs' processes!)
Yes, they have to go the through-hole plating to get vias connecting, and I think the copper gets thickened up at that point as well
Excelente equipo. Me gustaría volver hacer Review de sus productos
Nuce Scope design! ...and what sound at the end...oh yeh..
You can get multiple colours/layers of solder resist on a single board if you sweet-talk/pay your fab enough ;)
I'm pretty sure some of Saar Drimer's Boldport projects use at least 2 solder resist colours, and I swear I once saw a photo of a rainbow on a PCB...
Saar actually used EuroCircuits to produce his Boldport PCBs, incidentally, so they seem to be one option for lots of colours! :)
Yes! I did see a rainbow apple logo in solder mask, but I think you just have to ask with $
@@KeysightLabs Ah yes, I think that's the one I saw! 🌈🍏
How much extra effort that is would likely depend on the fab's processes, but you probably at least need your own panel - which I doubt was an issue for Saar making several hundred kits for each Boldport project.
[Disclaimer-of-sorts: I've been a Boldport Club member since project #6 in August 2016 and love the community that Saar built around his artistic electronics kits. Big fan~ 😸]
... So how long until one of the big Chinese PCB fabs offers a pooling service that lets you use all of their solder resist colours on a single board at the super-low prices we're now used to? 😁
Could they just run the panel through the solder resist stage multiple times, once per colour?
They may have to limit the stacking of resist layers to prevent the board surface becoming too "contoured" from e.g. 6 layers of resist piled on top of each other - or maybe that wouldn't be a problem and we could use that effect to create more tactile PCB surfaces; who knows!
I imagine several layers of resist could be thick enough to cause problems with components not sitting on pads properly, especially packages like QFN/DFN and maybe QFP.
People say that ENIG is better than HASL for such packages because the "S" may not be as "HA-L" as you'd like (👀), but 6 layers of stacked solder resist under a package would be much worse, I think!
However that'd just be another design guideline: only use 1 layer of resist under SMD parts. No need to restrict layering of resist at the fab just for that reason! 😸
Alternatively... some fabs are already using inkjet-style "printers" for the "silkscreen"/legend. Could the same/similar machines be used to _print_ the solder resist? Using either a series of those printers, one per colour, or a single printer with all 6~9+ colours...
I don't think they have quite as much resolution as you tend to want for solder resist, but maybe with a bit more R&D they can get there! 😁
...sorry, I should maybe be sending this to Seeed/PCBWay/JLCPCB/etc. rather than boring everyone on UA-cam! 😅😇
Engineering mind + ADHD can be a bit wild at times... 😆
Useful as a alternative ux design
What a weird coincidence, I downloaded KiCad last night for a project! Then I see your video this morning and I hadn't even considered PCB art before... that's cool too! I've heard good things about OSH Park, but have never tried their services... I hope to win a gift card so it will make the decision easier to try them, I've used Advanced Circuits in the past or made a small run of DIY boards at home.
I've used OSH Park a couple of times. They have very nice PCBs and finish them with excellent quality. I highly recommend them and no, I am NOT paid by them nor do I work for them.
The only gripe I've had is occasionally you have to sand the edges off as they'll have spikes sticking out where the PCB is cut from the panel, so you have to sand them down. However it's a 2 minute process with a rasp so for me it's a non-issue.
@@OtherDalfite That's great... and Thanks for letting me know, that's very encouraging! I will be using them to make my PCB's, Like I said I've heard a lot of nice things about them.
@@raymitchell9736 also with KiCad I forgot to mention, make sure you take advantage of premade PCB footprints with the library loader software. Super, SUPER useful. And don't rely on just mouser. There's almost always a footprint somewhere out there if you can't find it on mouser.
This was sweet, I'd love to do the same on my scope if I can get the base front panel SVG (DSO1204A)!
amazing
This was awesome! so glad I found you guys! Now if I can just win something XD
Welcome & good luck!
I have tried OSHPark before, built some 4-layer PCBs, very helpful and cooperative, service is excellent.
Can we talk about the awesome solder bridge at 3:33?
Nice. Too bad I'm not close enough yet to producing a PCB; I can't take advantage of the OSH Park coupon.
To take things up one notch use Lumilor.
P.S. This is not sponsored
I have been using kicad for a while after having used altium, and I couldnt figure out how to put art on PCBs (used a script with altium). The footprint tip is a great idea.
A Gold leafed scope would make a magnificent prize of functionality. In fact I was so inspired I just ordered a hundred 9cm sheets of gold leaf that could embellish my Desktop challenge prize if I win. ..ordered a new sexy looking soldering station too.
Send pics! That sounds awesome :)
@@KeysightLabs Will do.
This is cool! Didn't know Inkscape had a pcb plugin.
This is awesome! I knew you could make custom PCBs as there are a lot of homebrew projects especially for retro computers but making an art out of them is this easy I never guessed it. I feel like I should make something just to have a reason to design my own PCB. The closest I could think is that abandoned pinball project of mine from a couple of years ago...
Hadn't really thought about using the PCB as art before, good idea.
Creative and fun! Great idea - now your company can produce a REPLACEABLE front panel to customize our equipment! But put a clear plexiglass on top, so we can just print one for every day teams! Please send me the scope, so I can play with your creation. Thank you very much!
0:35 Single...."how about tinder??"
Nerdiest video yet. I love it! \o/
Haha, probably so :)
Wow, that James Webb and Hubble telescope PCBs are simply gorgeous. What a beautiful artpiece!
Aren't they cool!?
@@KeysightLabs Very! Do you have a design file for them or are they top secret? I didn't see any links in the description.
I'm working on getting final production files to share
@@KeysightLabs awesome, thanks! May have to get one of these and do some kind of smd capacitor blinky or something. Maybe a cool use for an attiny10 or some simpler technique
Who else always called it "Oh ess aych park"?
The sorrow of not winning anything far outweighs the joy of scope giveaway month... Bye bye keysight
Give me da scope!
First .. now give me my scope
in your dreams lol. They have like 3 scopes to give away and there are like 500,000 eligible people. You have better chances of literally winning the lottery.
@@aneeshprasobhan welp, yes... and most of these people just want to sell these beauties on ebay.
@@tanmayvadhera4250 true, its sad really.
I had the craziest dream in the world, I had a scope.Likes that's gonna happen.....
Now I want to pimp up my oscilloscope...
7:09 Requiem for a Tuesday
Now I know why you stream on Tuesdays
stop animation, not timelapse
Daniel, What can’t you do?
Oh ya. Not much
Haha, I just fail a lot until I don't
If you are not company or premium user (you are poor working with electronics person) don't expect to win any test gear, i tried for 4 years now and nothing, i even bring my friends and family in and still nothing! The people start to see this and left those set up no win fake games. Those 4 channel scopes cost as much as a land with house in my country, so yeah ... no win for people like me.
6:45 - Magic happens when using the earphone in reverse left-right.
Baffling the pcb software is still in the 1980s with their refusal to add svg import
Yeah, this is open source and there are some SVG conversion options but it's not great. I believe Eagle has a svg import tool?
i never subscribed to this channle but it says im subscribed
And, if you bond all the separate PC boards together and ground them to the case, you will have a SUPER shielded scope.
@MichaelKingsfordGray
Only one way to find out.
i want free test gear
:)
*Daniel talking about the PCB time lapse*
That's so short! :0
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That's What She Said
SVG2shenzhen? LOL, it's literally in the name, their stealing your designs.
Shenzen has a huge electronics presence, it's not all stealing/knockoffs.
@@KeysightLabs as a multi million dollar global electronics company I expect better. There is literally video of top CCP officials bragging about the mass theft of US intellectual property, and yes much of this theft is based out of shenzhen china. Clearly you must be at least somewhat aware of what's going on if your replying to some random "troll" comment on youtube. I recommend you inform yourself of the current political reality of the world before you screw yourself and the rest of the country with you.
@@philippwie3539 yes I'm aware that idiots like you don't understand the gravity of the situation, no need to remind me.
Keysight encourages using free and open software, yet their own hardware is licensed and closed.