Should I Use Snow Stops, Snow Breakers or Nothing?
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don't forget to protect your air conditioning condensers, I have seen them get caved in from snow falling off roof into them.
Paul, I think you are wise to want to install guards on the areas of the roof above entry and exit doors. It’s not so much that a slab of snow will slide off the roof, but since the eaves have cold air entering the roof and the peaks have warmer air being vented from the roof, this presents a possible condition where the snow at the peak melts, trickles down the roof and then freezes at the eaves. If it builds up enough, it might not be snow that comes crashing down off the roof, but ice. That’s what I worry about. Just my 2 cents… it’s a safety thing.
Your place looks great, and you did a phenomenal job of all the work you did!
As someone with kids, I would definitely install the snow breaks. Not great for aesthetics, But worth it for safety.
This is what comes to mind: ua-cam.com/video/0ACTALWWSjM/v-deo.html
I do construction for a living an when I do metal roofs we always put what we call ice guard/snow rail even on a 4/12 pitch. They allow the snow to melt an run off like it should. When the snow breaks off the roof like it does it will most definitely rip a gutter. Spend the money an do it. You won’t regret it ever. 10/10 recommend
Having children, I think I would install snow stops to avoid a snow slide while any of them were outside, or even anything that's in the drop zone from getting damaged or destroyed. Just my 2 cents. LOVE your barndominium!
On my pole building in MN the snow has behaved exactly the same as you describe. I always have like the fact that the roof cleans itself off and takes that load off of the trusses. Your porch is an awesome protector, I designed the doors to only be on gable ends or covered like your porch. Not always achievable though and I agree that you are making the right call. Love the action shot of the snow sliding off, the sound of the snow hitting the ground is satisfying.
I think they’re an absolute must above the garage doors!
My first thought in the beginning of this video was to invest in a leaf guard covering on top of the gutters. I would think the snow would slide right over the gutters on the leaf guard system. Then you would have the benefit of keeping stuff from collecting in the gutters too. I know you don’t have any trees close to the house and may not get much stuff collect in the gutters but it would probably be much quicker to install and it’s out of sight too. At the end of the video I still had the same thought. Snow accumulation is not a problem in SE Louisiana.
Thanks for your input!
Little help from nw Montana where we get dumped on. Most steel roof structures have snow breaks. We get heavy snow on top of light snow and that usually ends up damaging structures attached to house. It comes off fast and hard and have higher pitched roofs due to heavy snow loads. You don’t want heavy snow shooting off your roof and hitting someone. Very easy hospital trip. Good luck hopefully planning my build for 2023 if everything works out correctly.
I don't know where you are in Iowa, but a friend was on his way to Exira on Monday and was stopped by bad conditions in St Joseph Mo. He made his way to Extra on Tuesday where they had 12" of snow. He got his trailer unloaded and is back in Custer SD as of last night. He sent pictures when he hit Extra. Pretty heavy snow!
I was the Maintenance Manager for a large corporation in the twin Cities of MN. We had a building (650,00 SF) that had all clay tiles on the roof. 5/12 pitch. We had a log of snow one year and one day it slid from one roof to a lower roof and shattered many of the clay tiles. So I ordered some custom made copper snow stops and retro-fitted the whole building
I have a metal roof 16x24 shed. One year we had a good snow that stayed around for a bit. The building is not conditioned. The weather warmed ever so slightly but not a melt. The snow got wet then froze at night. Next day did the same thing but this time the ice that formed on the bottom allowed the icy snow to slide down very slowly and once it hit the gutter it actually rolled over the edge of the gutter and froze again at night with about a foot of snow looking ice hanging off the gutter. Once it finally melted the gutters were still attached but mangled and had to be replaced.
I also have a 5/12 pitch on 40x60 with 10' lean too. My gutter guy only installs 6" gutters. On one side I had to pitch all one way and installed 2 downspouts 12" apart to handle flow, works like a dream. He installed high end even with roof and low end was 2.5" lower. No issues in years. Did I mention I live in the U P of Michigan where we typically receive over 150" of snow. Also have gutter guards for leaves and sticks. I wouldn't use any type of snow stop. I think it is best if no snow was on roof.
I like how the house looks blue compared to the snow. Pretty neat
Thanks!
That was awesome watching the snow come off the roof, so happy no one was standing there ! 😊👍💕💕💕
I think you should put up snow blocks. I know you said you don't like them, haven't used them before, and don't want the extra holes, but, I would rather be safer and not worry about damage or injury. At least over the porch and over the garage doors as well as the back door. I think you will get used to the look fairly quickly and forget they are even there.
I have a continuous bar about 1 foot up from the gutter that runs the entire length of the roof. It’s in the shape of a witch’s hat. It acts as a break when melting but also acts as a launch bar to send it up and over the gutter when it slides. Having a 12/12 roof, it works good.
I think ur right about putting snow bars over the entrance and exits of garage because one day it might not be just light powder sliding off but a huge slab of ice with can really hurt sum one.......... that being said I'm subscribing right now nice job on the house learning alot from ur video
Thanks for the input and for joining us! Welcome! The Mad County Build playlist has the videos for this build in chronological order.
I think I'm going to try to keep my doors on the end-walls. Might even forgo gutters entirely in favor of a wide french drain down both sides. Not sure yet. It's good that you can get away without those admittedly awful looking bars all over your roof, but it seems like that concern is something good to fix in design instead of after it's built.
Hi Paul,
My thoughts are along the same lines, but I'll add some extras here for consideration.
On standing seam roofs:
* For a 6/12 pitch or less - and with 6" well-installed gutters - you shouldn't need a snow guard/rail/breaker except for entry/exit door points. There I would only use a rail system as well. I would prefer that the snow stays up there and not coming down at all - even if it's broken apart on the way down.
* Anything over a 6/12 (we have 10/12 and 12/12 pitches), you need a rail and/or a breaker system for sure. The first winter after installing our standing seam roof on a 10/12 pitch - and following the first 7" snowfall - our gutters were toast. Not torn off, just bent out and neatly 'flattened as the pressure of the snow sliding down was simply too much even for our high-quality well-installed gutters.
* We now have rails on all of the standing seam roof sections and integrated snow breakers/guards on the other metal roof sections (in our case it's aluminum simulated shakes). The systems work great and no more gutter losses - and the door areas are well protected.
As an added plus, the use of guards/rails gave us a decent insurance discount as well. Less liability for a snow load to dump on someone's head. Just my 2¢.
I think snow bars above doors is a great suggestion. I would add a 2-4’ 6/12 mini roof over garage and entry doors simply to protect person or assets if it’s raining or to protect against snow. I like the visual of that. And in summer, you can open your garage fully to air it out or if working in it and if it rains, doorway stays dry.
I live near Niagara Falls NY, and I’ve had a gambrel roof barn with no snow breakers for 12 yrs. I’ve seen the chunks of ice and snow fall off, and I just finally put 6” gutters on and so this is my first year checkin it out also. I think I will be installing them. I know I installed my fascia board with screws but I had someone else install my gutters so I dont know how that will work out. Yeh i would install some.
Thanks for the input
Over doors and walkways, stops are a must for safety. The other thing to consider if you get a lot of snow is what it does in a pile on the ground. It will melt and re-freeze and can cause drainage issues. In those cases allowing your gutters to handle water drainage as the snow melts might be better.
Sind you have a skid steer and can move the snow so you have the ability to control the drainage. Pushing snow is easy. Water or ice... Not so much.
Here at 8,000 ft in Colorado, with the strong sun, allowing the roof to manage that drainage is a better play. If you cannot move the big piles of snow, they will become water right next to the house/ foundation. That is rarely a good thing to have.
The snow shooting off the roof is dangerous. Imagine if your kids were outside when that happened. I put snow breakers on my roof, not everywhere, but in front of the doors and walkways. I hate the look of them but after the first snow storm... and taking a sheet of snow to the face, they went on. I got metal snow breakers that match the color of my roof. Never had a problem since. Installing them was a pain, with the sealant. As far as gutters go, water weighs more than snow which is mostly air.
With your phenomenally built home I would not add anything to the roof that would compromise it in any way. I read of a guy who put heating strips on the inside of the roof, similar to heating floor strips. Great videos. Thank you.
Had 8 inches of wet snow last April on my 40x64 with 4x12 pitch built in 2018. My 6 inch gutters almost let go competely, broke several brackets on the gutters. Put rat guard on all the way across the roof this fall. Doesn't look bad and no more piles of snow in front of my overheard doors. Lots of close calls with the family about getting clobbered with snow. You will jump out of bed when that sun comes out the day after a good snow and a pile comes smashing into the porch or ground! I tried without, decided to put something all, but like you many don't. Good topic!
Steel Roofer here: I typically use snow stops. There are however specific risks to consider. When snow is stopped on the roof, a freeze-thaw cycle can cause an ice-dam to build up behind the snow-stop. When the ice gets thick enough, and is then followed by a melt, the melting water can siphon up under the over-lap, and get under the steel. Using a seam-tape (butyl tape), can prevent this problem. The standard way fascia is installed is nails, and then often the eavestrough screw spacing is 18" to 24": with this kind of setup the risk of loosing your eavestrough is much higher. Your screwed fascia & 6" screw spacing significantly reduces this risk. One additional risk assistance I've seen successfully done on barn eaves, is periodic (24") steel straps screwed along the outer face of the eaves, and extend up to the top surface of the roofing material (Not all that attractive, unless color matched...but effective).
Have you thought about gutter guards? I don’t think you’d have much of an issue with leaves getting into your gutters er, but it seems like gutter guards could help by deflecting the snow from getting in your gutter.
It would certainly be better than drilling a bunch holes in to your roof.
That snow slide was epic. Don’t install snow stops, let the snow slide!
Then your pets or children get reamed.......
looks like the breakers would yellow and become brittle in the sun.
I installed the bars, and screwed them on every other rib across the top, and every other opposite rib across the bottom. They are a pain when there are trees nearby, and the leaves pile up in between, but it does not look like you will have that problem.
I ended up ripping off my gutters after three winters. For winter they serve no blocking effect since they fill up w ith ice. I think between snow slides and freeze/thaw effect in gutters and mostly downspouts, i just gave up fighting mother nature. I would probably leave the roof as is. You aren’t getting mountain snows and it will also blow off out there in Iowa. But i would consider putting wites in the gutters and downspouts.
great call
I just installed gutters on my barn this year but the outside gambrel is a 14/12 pitch and with the snow we had in northern illinois this year so far it did nearly rip mine off so i just installed snow bars. So in my opinion pitch has more to do with it than anything as to whether or not it may rip them off or not. I know plenty of people with 4/12 pitch machine sheds and they have never had issues in the 30+ years they have owned them.
Snow tore the gutters off my father-in-law's place a few years back, so yes it happens.
Get a telescopic roof rake so you have some control when the snow comes down. It would be good for the porch and most the garage maybe... the most common i saw had a 21 foot extension.
In December 2009 DC & Pittsburgh had heavy wet snow. Snow emergencies were declared. Roofs collapsed and gutters were torn off. A Fire Station (#6) had $14,000 worth of gutters torn off. It was a standing seam roof with 6” gutters. So yes you need snow bars.
I would add some type of snow stops above all entrances directly under the eaves. It would be very expensive to have a large slab of snow of ice and snow come off the roof onto a vehicle and destroy it. There are metal snow stops that are similar to the snow breaker in the video.
This happened on my building just a few weeks ago. Huge amount of heavier snow came sliding off the roof when the walk through door was closed after going through it. Missed two people by inches and landed on a car. Busted out the rear window, buckled the roof, cracked the windshield and tore the spoiler off. Gutter did stay on. Ordered snow block for the roof the next day.
If you put snow bariers consider puting heating cables to the gutters this will prevent piling the snow on the roof but it should slowly melt it , you will not use it for long only when it is snowing.
I would say put stops over your walkout doors, garage doors and areas where your A/C condenser units are to protect from sudden snow slides. I would guess a metal roof would allow snow to slide alot easier than a shingled roof.
I would look into a leaf guard that is metal and curves toward the gutter at the edge. Would help let the snow shoot over top of the gutters
Seem like it would be good (in future) to install the gutters below the plane of the roof, to avoid the gutters from getting slammed from fast-falling heavy snow. If its not moving that fast it would still drop into the gutters, but without enough speed/force to risk damaging them. Definitely like the idea of breakers or stops over the entrance/exit pathways. Besides that, maybe sufficient to educate household and visitors to stay away from the "danger" zone if dangerous conditions ever exist.. you'll know over time how frequent the conditions arise, and whether or not its worth doing something more.
Loved the intro to this video. You are getting pretty good at all this video editing stuff. 👍✌️
I live a couple hours south of you. Winter before last ripped my gutters off. The snow melted then refroze several times. The ice hung off the end of the roof 3'.
Paul can you still radiant heat your home or not possible? For your ceiling; Just a thought for areas that can have harsh snows. Glad you are waiting. Thought I would toss this out for a can do project to beat the snows
In hindsight, do you think a steeper pitch roof would be better with respect to snow control/load such as 8:12 vs the 5:12 pitch you currently have? A steeper pitch roof would tend to cause the snow to slide off sooner as the snow builds up thus smaller and more manageable snow dumps when it does slide off like it did at the beginning of your video.
If your attic was heated, it was just turn to water, heat it only during snowstorms, just a thought.
That would be you choice, I use snow breaker in the past snow stops are not good. Also depends the type of snow
Good morning from SE Louisiana 16 Feb 21.
Morning!
I was hoping for snow like that here in Michigan, but we only got 4" in my town. Place looks great! No useful input on your dilemma though.
yeah we had alot of snow in iowa and nebraska
Same day video? Sweet. Yes that was a big snow storm (12”) last night.. Grimes
I would recommend something on the upper roof to protect the lower roof and gutters. Just saying
In your environment there I'd def fit snow breakers. I've seen a lot of gutters ripped off in my time from snow and especially ice. Is it really worth taking the risk Paul?
We don't have your problem in the UK, the last time was 1963 but that was an exceptional year.
I always thought having heat in the roof would be beneficial. I don't know if that is a thing. But it seems so common sensical. I have never lived in the snow long enough to know anything.
About 10 12 years ago my neighbor and I both built post frame shops with 12' lien-tos on them. The first two years we got hammered by snow. We were in there working on something and we hear loud thump thump thump and we opened the back door to see about 6' of snow piled up for 60'! Now we don't have airtight buildings like yours so when the sun comes out it slides off. No damage. get you a roof rake for above that garage man door. That building is too pretty to clutter it up!
You dont need to fasten the snow stops. The adhesive should be fine. You might have to fasten them up every decade or so, but I have had to replace them on commercial buildings that i maintain and some of these lasted over 10 years, and 1/2 of them started to fall off.
Glad you were not standing in fall line of that snow!!
Keeping in mind I know nothing about roof snow as I live in Perth, Western Australia, (although I did spend half a day blowing 12" of snow on Xmas day 2016 at family's house in Layton, UT) are you going to install solar panels and since you have so much roof, wouldn't a row of solar panels near the edge act as a snow stop, sorta. Can you get a blower attachment for your Bobcat too. I love spending other peoples money ;) Another great video.
How to Install Metal Roof Snow Guards with Adhesive, Screws or Tape. WATCH THE VIDEO ua-cam.com/video/JE8sfgTbS-E/v-deo.html
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About to build a shop. Should I install a standing seam roof ?
I figure if it stays on the roof I don’t have to shovel as much and I get extra insulation so I think bars of some kind are smart albeit not very attractive but that wouldn’t stop me.
Are you using a lot of propane for heating. Going to build this spring and only have access to propane or electric for heating.
Unless you're in the south, go for propane. It's a higher quality of heat and most of the time is considerably cheaper per btu.
nice family, nice house. great construction project! i'm impressed.
Can't find lying floor tiles video in this channel. can anybody help me? it maybe at the end of 2019...
concrete pour video was 4 nov 2019. must be after this date.
thnx for sharing
God saves you!🙏🏻🙏🏻
Are you referring to the floor in the house? It's the concrete slab we had them do stress cuts in 4x4 squares.
@@MrPostFrame yes, on ground floor. i mistakenly supposed that's a tiles.
i see, stress cuts. how u make cuts in concrete (do you have a video clip)?
will u cover concrete by any laminate, parquet or linoleum in future?
mny thnx for reply🙏🏻🙏🏻
Snow stops is what I would recommend that way it can melt off to your sweet gutter system just make sure your roof can handle it
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Thank you!
wow that was like a avalanche, does snow help insulate from extreme cold. Don't see what the breaker would help with. You could still get smacked on your head if the snow froze up from a short thaw.
Hopefully the steel concrete form stakes "impailers" have been removed from the stoop out the back garage door and are not hidden in the snow. Also no permanent bolts in the base plates of the porch columns? One strike by the BobCat or even the snow drop/pounding could cause movement.
back in my northern Illinois old home, our neighbourhood all have 8 inches gutter and after a heavy snowstorm, the snow did rip off the gutters.
Just think if your kids were walking under that is it worth the risk
If you have snow left on the roof, it also works as insulation. Here you get tips on lace protection from Sweden. www.falksplatprodukter.se/sv/produkter/takskydd--takstegar/rasskydd-profildurk.htm
You could epoxy the brackets to the metal. No penetrations at all.
Move to Florida. We don't have an issue with snow...[snicker]
Yes nothing is best
Use a hot water system on your roof just like the system used for the foundation.
Let the gutters do their job. 👍
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You know you are hardcore when you shovel snow in your bobcat. ;)
don't be stupid. use something for the snow for safety. just because you have not had any issues yet, doesn't me you wont.