Overclocking the 2x8GB DDR4 5100 Ballistix Max RAM on a B550 Aorus Master
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"It's getting to be an hour long. It wasn't supposed to be more than 30 minutes."
Every Buildzoid video ever.
"Honey come back to bed"
"Shhhh there's a new buildzoid 5+ghz ddr4 vid out"
(Your Rias waifu pillow pouts in response)
Just came to say HI, gonna watch tomorrow with morning coffee. I find your ramblings perfect for starting a day and fine tuning the brain for daily tasks, kinda like meditation.👌
Dude never change the way u make Videos Pls Nerver .. this shit makes me happy period 👌
Buildzoids videos are the best if you overclock yourself as you watch. I hate 4x8 OC so much but i want to punch through it and run my setting.
Are you running quad channel?
@@arthurcuesta6041 i wish. Xi formula 9900ks. But you cant get through GSAT (Google stress app test, runns on Linux in windows) on 4266mhz without messing with the skew. Meaning slope settings. If you dont know what they are be glad. You can get 4500 1h or more stable on mem test or karhu but GSAT ha, not 10s.
@@mauriceelet6376 just get better sticks /s
@@basedanon420 i have sticks that run 4000 15-16-16 1.5V. xmp is 4133 17-17-17 1.4V thank you very much but i have enough people in my forum that have 2x16GB 3200 14-14-14 ripjaws running at 4600-4700 Cl 17-17-17. my sticks can do max 4580MHz. it has nothing to do with the sticks but the the board in my oppinion.
"More volt is always better" that's what I told my cpu, He didn't agree.
The plan for the cpu is named November 5
thanks was looking for some video to watch during lunch, thanks from Brasil
Did you launch?
Spacebar presses what ever GUI button you have highlighted, in the case of Geekbench, Cancel is the only button on the window.
5:04 you're not an over-clocker... you're a hardcore over-clocker... therefore you are not super frustrated, you're hardcore frustrated.
crucial must have their own Buildzoid who sat there and spent days figuring out that 5100 was the max for those sticks under most scenarios
Gigabyte auto-resetting BIOS is a test of faith!
It also inadvertently serves as an indicator when you're getting closer to posting/booting/stable. No bug, feature. lol
How do you improve the transient response on your motherboards before overclocking? Can you show us a setup video?
You pretty much don't. On some boards you can play with the VRM switching frequency but that's basically all you can do.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Oh that's a shame but thank you for replying.
5100 cl17 at 1.55v, and makes it through geekbench... Christ on a bike! Those sticks are mad!
Some get 3800 cl 11 on 2.0v(ryzen 5600x benchmark)
@@mocanulaurentiu5812 voltage?
@@techbuildspcs haha i said 2.0v but i didnt say it really serious but 3800 has a change to be faster
BZ playing with Renoir soonTM
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Replace the TM please
Wonder why he couldn't say 4750G
Nanya C (?, ver 8.31) can do 3800 16-17-13 1.45v: i.imgur.com/MlGyD2P.jpg
I know someone else who achieved more or less the same on their Nanya C so it seems it's a pretty consistent IC.
Oh heya.
Here's a thing with Nanya C though. Not sure whether it's Nanya C at work or Kingston's internal naming that screwed up Thaiphoon's readings, or whether it's Nanya in the first place - can't tell from the partial mark, it's internal Kingston crap - but here you go. club.dns-shop.ru/review/t-103-operativnaya-pamyat/37064-obzor-i-testirovanie-operativnoi-pamyati-kingston-valueram-16-gb/ Needed 1.4 for 3200, no luck raising the freq further.
Another "Kingston C-die", documented on the partnered serv (see Yura), behaves suspiciously like Samsung C-died (from 1.41V) so go figure.
Another report, and this time, I'm sure asf the black craprams are Nanya. Unknown revision again. club.dns-shop.ru/review/t-103-operativnaya-pamyat/35309-sravnitelnoe-testirovanie-6-komplektov-nedorogoi-operativnoi-pa/ 4000 flat 19 (maybe 20-19-19 if you account for GDM) at 1.35V.
You can't really tell for sure what these unmarked eTTs actually are. Could be a matured 8Gb A, or even 8Gb B even though it's no longer listed on the website. Or indeed C. I tried going by the package dimensions, no luck. Nanya's documentation is useless on this, or they're indeed all the exact same size.
I've forked your guide but most of the work to be done imho is in the wiki. Hoping to set to work asap when uni things give me a break. Thx a lot for the things you've done, the guide is top tier 👍
Pressing the space bar is sort of like clicking the mouse. Whatever item is hilighted by default will be activated, its one of the accessability features of windows that allows you to use it without a mouse
Hope you do a review of the b550 unify and unify-x
Dual bios dual pain xD nice video like always !
Great video! Thanks for the through testing!
I've tested various Micron chips from Kingston, they seem to be using Micron rejects, never as good as direct from Crucial but cheaper in general. (only tRCDRD isn't that great on these kits)
The latest kit I got was a 16Gbit kit (single rank) and I was hopeful to receive Micron Rev.B but it was not that, it was something Micron calls 16Gbit Rev.E (MT40A2G8JC-083:E)
Bad luck with it, sad as I wanted the Rev.B you have there, seems you have to get it from Crucial direct.
On an X570 Unify with a somewhat okay 5900X, I managed to get two decently stable 1.6V daily profiles. One is 5000 18-25-23-48-2T with tightened secondaries, and the other is 3800 13-17-17-34-1T with tightened secondaries. The 5G reached around 500% coverage and the 3800C13 reached just over 600%. Both errored with minor adjustments to the secondaries, as well as with voltages; so I'd reckon it's about as much as I'm going to get out of this kit for daily use. I don't think I can take it upon myself to daily more than 1.6V.
Could you send your timings and everything. I’m new to this and got a gigabyte b550 aorus pro v2. Wanna try your timings and voltages
Welp, had time to rewatch this and using some of the programs with the 5600x and same B550 Mobo(F10 bios). ADATA XPG Spectrix D50 RGB 32GB (2x16GB) 3600MHz CL18 DDR4
Ha, ZenTimings 1.2.1 showing VDDG IOD 46-50v.
Adia showing 68.4ns stock out of the box.
A memory 101, would be nice for some of the newer people if you get the time it has been one of the things you have been talking about for a while.
Clickbait, it's just >5000 MT/s, not MHz :P
Ur clickbait €=
Huh! I did not know that you had to disable gear-down mode to get certain CAS latencies. By "odd," do you mean odd-numbered? I seem to remember having difficulty decrementing my CL by 1 on my CL16 memory kit, but perhaps I am crazy.
yes by odd I meant odd numbers.
Correct. CL15 with GDM enabled will boot at CL16.
Do you know how to tighten the timings on your video card's memory.
With a screwdriver.
Seriously though, no personal experience but all the info I could find is by the "memory straps" query. Should be doable on AMD either thru VBIOS or in software (limited to mining applications though, afaik), limited to software on Nvidia Pascal (same, only Claymore does that for all I know) cuz NV always locks ppl out of their VBIOSes at least on recent gens, and good luck with newer Nvidias.
Oh and judging by dumps on Techpowerup, Hynix and Micron come with (much) looser timings than Samsung out of the factory. Probably for a reason :D
@@previousslayer wow that's good to know about the Hynix and Micron timings.
You can but i forgot how, i can on my rx 480 strix oc
Do you think there will be any difference for motherboard selection when it comes to ryzen 5000?
So far, all the Techtubers who discuss leaks (RGT/NaAF/MLiD/Gamermeld/ect) have had zero in the way of X670 information, and that information that is there indicates a new socket with DDR5 memory, as it is almost invariably tied to DDR5 information and not AMD chipset information.
There's a couple Rev 2's that have been released, but for the most part there's no meaningful difference between them and their Rev 1's besides some very minor tweaks that are more novelties than functional.
I think Buildzoid did a video on one of them. Iirc it was about using doublers vs not using doublers with the same phase count and power stage count. Gigabyte boards maybe? Was fairly recent.
TL;DR - What we have in the X570 lineup is what we get for 5000 series, at least for now and possibly forever depending on if Zen 4 will be ready by next year, or if they refresh Zen 3 (Zen 3+ maybe) with a 5 nm node and/or DDR5 on a new socket.
@@bighairycomputers thank you very much for thd detailed answer!
@@bighairycomputers thank you very much for thd detailed answer!
Bz obtaining renoir pog
ngl, Id love to see some gaming benchmarks on these sticks. Later in Zen 3 too.
Wonder if it would run on dual rank hue
Btw do you recommend The b550 master?
Buildzoid, are you getting a 4750?
Speaking of mobos, I sure hope they have improved. Doesn't concern me (will have to stick to the one I installed last week... that's too many h/w swaps lately and I'm just glad USB got back to normal) but for new buyers, that'd be awesome.
Backstory alert, don't click read more if you dislike rambling that is not BZ's.
I was sooooooo p!ssed last Saturday when my new shiny B450M S2H that I swapped a dying (peripheral-wise) and out of warranty AB350 Pro4 for, flaked out at a RAM config (2x8 Ballistix "AES" Rev. E 3200C16 -> 3600C16) that was absolutely fine on the Asrock, that is apparently "worse" at OC. Yes it boots 3600C14 but what's the point if it's a wanker to stabilise even at 3600C16?
Don't get me started on VID/SVI2 monitoring. Garbo bullsh!t. I refuse to believe a 1700 can do 4.0 allcore at 1.14V. With no monitoring reaction to offsets, albeit stability differed. How much it's actually frying the proc, or how the clocks actually behave, is a mystery. Been advised to rewatch your old vid on Gigas, will do so when time allows. Thermal sensors, too. Almost a 15C undershoot compared to the Pro4. On fckin F50 (1.0.0.4B), oob, so nothing too old.
Cycled thru older BIOSes, too. No hidden menus with fixed vreg on any I've tried, nope. I can mess with Pstates all day though and that's what I tried and voila, monitoring "apparently" recovered but my power consumption was still kinda not there.
As for the ICs, 1) yea cut down density seems to be the norm now. Probably what Essencore did to CJR/JJR upon receiving the chips from Hynix and rebranding them 1JR. Turns out it's the revision I had in my craprams which did 3466 16-18-19-x on the 1700. That or taking away individual chips, so that you get a "halfrank" so to speak. Recent OEM Crucials can have 4 chips.
2) I still can't understand how tf production units are cut down 16Gb B while the one in the 6.6K WR was a 8Gb N, at least acc. to the model number. Wtf.
Do you know how good the B550 gigabyte ITX board is for memory overclocking?
Buildzoid is MY bestfriend:)
Please do Nanya A-die RAM Overclocking
Technical question.. I got a set of 3600 CL16 Micron B sticks and I noticed the default TRFC was 991.. Is this the motherboard fault? From what I understand, default should be around 480ns for 16GB dimm (and 350ns for 8GB)
I have mine tuned down to 350ns right now, but I'm not sure if the "wrong" trfc was meant for higher settings. Maybe a MAX kit?
Thank you for the video! Do you know how much max frequency does intel i9 10 th gen support? or does it depend on the motherboard?
Please, where in BIOS can I fnd each setting that specifically control
fclk, uclk and mclck? Fclk is in AMD overclocking settings, then there
is the RAM frequency in the same menu which I belive is the Mclk (?)...
so where exactly can I find the Uclk setting? Correct me if I'm wrong
but none of this has anything to do with Bclk, right (Base CPU clock
which is the frequency number that will be multiplied for the final CPU
frequency)? If I'm wrong about my latest statement, then a 3200mhz RAM
needed ideally a Blck of 160 for the CPU (1600mhz), but I believe
(again) Bclk is nothing to do with Mclk, Uclk and Fclk. Just really want
to know where to find exactly each one in an Aorus x570 board, please
help. Thank you very much.
Micron Rev E or Hynix CJR for Ryzen 5000?
Rev e
Hi, can't really apply XMP. My configuration is i5 10400f, Gigabyte B560 HD3, Crucial Ballistics DDR4 3200. Could kindly you help me with this?
I don't see the point of memory this fast until the FCLK can go higher. I have the 4400 Patriot Viper Steel Series RAM. 4400 XMP does boot, but the CL goes to 20 instead of 19, and FCLK defaults to 1800. I find it manually set to 3800, CL 14, FCLK 1900 works best.
It's just for max frequency fun. Or for the most golden of intel IMCs. But no sane person would daily 5100, or even anything above around 4800, on any current platform. Either the board or the IMC are going to shit themselves.
@@givemeajackson Yeah, it is fun to play with, and I like to see what BZ can do with it. Someday 5100 or faster will be for daily use. I remember when 800Mhz considered Blazing Fast Memory! LOL
@@OlettaLiano DDR5 should be much faster... But i wonder at what cost. I hope for 10000MT/s at least for extreme OC even if ut us on the end of the standard.
You can run this on 3800 with a very very tight timing (idk how tight, but i think CL 11 is possible)
@@dwikydarmawan6373 boy are you in for a treat in this video... But well, Bdie is still faster at 3800 cause of the lower trcd and trfc
i love your vids
Hello Bill zoid !
"that's great" LMFAO :)
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So bz...If I had to buy MB for Zen now, like 5800x, which is enough/good for F4-3200C14D-32GTZ to oc 3800c14? ATM have z370+8086 and it actually does c14 3800 easy, albeit with 1.536v. Is elite 570X enough, or just b550 elite/master
B550 is always better as it is a far newer chipset. B550 outperforms X570 in terms of OC if it has a good VRM and PCB design. If you do not need PCIe x4 for the second M.2, go for B550.
Hello, nice video. Can someone help me please? I want faster RAID0 from 2 or 3 same disks: PCIexpress gen 4.0 x4 M.2 SSDs. Which would be better -Gigabyte B550 Arous Master or MSI X570 Godlike (putting 2 disk info M2-XPANDERGen4 and one into M.2 slot directly connected to CPU). I also need 128 GB of RAM with AMD Ryzen 3900X CPU. The graphics card would be some cheap 150 USD PCIEXpress nVidia (not for gaming). Which motherboard to use cause I already have MSI motherboard that I paid only 200 USD more from current Gigabyte price. I don't have money for Thread-ripper platform so I need to stay with 3900x. Please tell me what I can do with what I have? I want to do a lot of large file intensive work: ram-disk to disk(RAID0) copy and disk(RAID0) to ram-disk copy and to other devices - HUGE files like 60 GB (I edit them in RAM-disk cause its faster). I want Raid0 to be bootable system drive with Linux Mint as operating system. I work in Linux Mint.
RP ceiling (or floor, rather) is just pure luck, my old C9BJZ sticks can do RP of 15 or even 14, but newer C9BKVs can't go lower than 17 without occasionally throwing some errors (one per 10-25 mins), despite being capable of running 100% stable with 14-17-17-32 at 3800 with about 1.52V
You win some you lose some, it's now a Hynix xD
Outlier RCDRD turned into an outlier RP.
i thought the A520M H was newer!
Hah... I can't even get my B550 Aorus Pro AC to run 3600mhz (on a 3600mhz kit)... audio crackling / usb breaks :(, had to take it down to 3200.
Hey, Zoid - MSI B550 MEG-X with only two slots... :)
Buiiiildzooooid, 4000mhz instead of 3.8 afaih (as far as I heard) possible 😍😍
Will x370 k7 will get this numbers from the same dimms?(3800 cl11)
What is your take on the new MSI MEG B550 Unify-X? Would you prefer that vs. the B550 Aorus Master when it comes to memory OC as it is a 2 DIMM board?
He is getting a unify x and going to say yes he would prefer it.
@@ebsmith1102 Thanks for the reply, Eric. Where did he state that? Did I miss that during one of his more recent videos or did he post it?
Jesus - they're fusing off parts of RAM chips now? I suppose it saves chucking an entire 16 Gbit IC :)
Intel video with this kit pls:)
in the future you would have a pet cat like tech jesus!
Amd doesnt feel as simple and took some fun out of overclocking for me. I have a 3900xt i cant get over 4.3 all core. At 4.3 at 1.2volts all core i take it up to 1.325 and cant get 4.4. I have a good memory kit/pc 3733 cl14 and its realbench stable for 8 hours no problems. But i cant for the life of me get it over 4.3 even though i feel i should have the voltage head room. But as soon as i take the voltage above 1.3 and it hits 84c it shuts down to temp warning. Just seems less refined.
Wonder how would, a 5600x run with 5400mhz in asynch. Would the fclk run at 1800mhz then ? Would love to see that and some benchmarks.
No, a 5400 MT/s means it runs at 2700 MHz, so FCLK is at 1350 MHz in GDM (Gear 2)
My 570 Tomahawk is great for memory OC'ing.
did you try to do DDR4 5100 on it?
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking no I thought more after I watched the rest of the video.
I have had better luck on the Tomahawk more than Asus Prime, the ROG ITX 570 board and the Godlike even but those were all different CPU’s just none of them could run over 3600 on 4 dimms besides the 570Tomahawk.
I have Corsair Vengeance CMW16GX4M2C3200C16 , x2, on a X570 Aorus Elite, and if I put the timings in manually the pc won't boot, the bios resets the timings, this happens the same with XMP I think it was called, so they only run at 2133, does it mean they're not compatible with AMD cpus ? I had the same problem with this memory on the B350 paired with a Ryzen 1600, this time I have the 3700x.
Seen a couple buccaneers that feel "overbinned" by how they never get stable at XMP. *Unless* your version number is 4.32, you can try raising DRAM voltage somewhere towards 1.4 and hoping for the best. Another thing that helped someone was manually increasing tRC (it's often at its theoretical minimum on Corsairs from what I've seen) in DRAM Timing Configuration or whatever that menu is called on your board, you can try 64 and it should be alr.
Maybe a different BIOS will change things, not sure. Maybe slightly looser primary timings (dunno 16-19-19-19-38).
Oh and obvious things last, lmao. Do make sure you're using the correct memory slots. 2 and 4 counting from the CPU, almost always.
@@previousslayer I have the latest AGESA ComboV2 1.1.0.0 C, and the memory is in 2-4 slots, I will give the lose timings a go, and then raising the voltage, if they end up not playing ball I will ditch them for a new set I see reviewers using on Ryzen.
Both me and my lad have the exact setup, we bought the memory back when Ryzen appeared, before all the compatibility issues were known, it could be these are favored on Intel.
Thank you for your help, I will give them a go tonight.
Hey man, i have a question, can a usb port cause some trouble if it delivers less than 5 volts ? because i've been having a lot of bsods lately, and when i restart the system, the mouse plugged in doesn't work unless i unplug it, and plug it back afterwards, i also experience random deactivation of an external network interface adapter, just like when you manually disable it from the device manager, any ideas ? is there a way to measure that voltage ?
Set your bios settings to defaults and see if the issues persist.
If you're having lots of misbehaving from USB devices, especially under heavy load, that might be a PSU problem-- older/cheap group regulated PSUs tend to have problems where the 5V rail gets weird when the 12V rail is heavily loaded.
@@maxscholts8649 Tried it already, it had no effect however
@@bengraham8833 I would've tried replacing the psu, but i'm actually using a laptop, it's a little old, so it probably makes sense
What product is the EPEAK capture? I'm assuming it some kinda of frame grabber?
it's a capture card
My gtx 770 4gb died a few days ago blowing a trace away from the core near some small capacitors. Does 5 Ohms on the core look healthy?
and 4.7 Ohm an the unpowered vrm is probably wrong, right?
Sounds like a short to me.. Not that i know anything
MSI b550 UNIFY-X !
anyone knows if there is something similar to zen timings for intel?
asrock timing configurator and ASUS memTweakIT
We need ryzen 5000 vs balistix 5000 in 2 days!
Looks like it won't make much of a difference. Renoir is the interesting one.
Buildzoid, I'm struggling to find any RAM setup that gives me 32GB @ 4400Mhz on Z490 (I have Z490 Elite). I've tried 4 x 8GB ToughRAM 4400Mhz, and 2 x 16GB Crucial Micron D9WSM 1.6v, no luck either way, I struggle to get past 4000 :(
Am probably going to 5800X shortly anyway, so it matters a lot less, but still annoying -_-
What X570 board should I get that's not -ridiculous- expensive? Wanting 32GB of fast RAM support, don't care if it's 4x8 or 2x16.
Asus has cashbsck on all of their boards right now. Got myself an x570 tuf for cheaper than practically all current b550 boards. Should be all you need.
What timings were you using did you make sure to loosen your timings as you increase the clock speed?
@@penguinton7691 XMP is 19-25-25 1.45v and 20-25-25 1.45v, couldn't even get it to POST at those settings. Threw a.145v VCCIO and VCCSA at it, still nothing.
@@gixxar6 what's your cpu? Some just have dud memc's. You can't run 4200? Try it out. Tbh it should really run just fine, 4400 is definitely achievable on Intel.
@@fVNzO I've tried 2 different 10700k (still using 1 of them). I get 2 x 8GB and 1 x 16gb fine at 4400, but can't get 4 x 8 or 2 x 16gb at 4400 for the life of me. 4000 is still a bit crashy.
when are you getting a renoir chip?
some time this month
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking great
looking forward to the inevitable frequency records 😄
More Rtx 3080 pcb Breakdown plzzz
Na
@@UltraDXSASC yes everytime xd
Na
You need a 4650g.
Btw did you see the new b550 unify OC something something with 2 dimms only?
First
1 day ago lmao
@@pw8973 which only supports his claim, bz had to do the vid today after that comment.
His quantum computer allows for video prediction and thus early posting. Duh.
just four minutes ago
Second