superb....Vivekananda said in 1890's ''it is a pity that this theory of aryan invasion is being taught in Indian schools, when in our shastras there is no mention of it''...
@Truth Lost I MEANT WHY THERE IS NO MENTION OF AIT IN THE SHASTRAS WHICH NEVER WANTED TO REVEAL THE TRUTH OF THE ARYANS WAGING WARS KILLING AND SUBJUGATING THE NATIVES BUT ALL THE DESCRIPTIONS OF WARS INDRA AND SUCH DEVILS WAGED COULD NOT BE TOTALLY HIDDEN !!!
@@muthuraman8809 r u a fucking idiot? If the aryans invaded/destroyed indus valley civilization they would write it as the greatest victory they ever achieved, why is such an achievement not listed in the vedic hyms?
@@extratropicalcyclone8567 ok you have revealed your cultural level by your adjective given to me . where did i tell the aryans invaded ? the aryans are supposed to have entered india at the end of the indus valley civilisation !
One argument to why dig up the past: If you don't learn from your past, you're bound to make the same mistakes you did. So dig up everything, learn, never make the same mistakes again.
@@Jo-pv4jx True but if Bharatiyas "know" who they are and "realize" their sanskriti , no reqt. to concentrate on how the world perceives us "for the future of Bharat". However, yes for the current day international relations some perceptions will be involved and some effort will be required on mass communication, cultural and power projection.
After the Supreme Court concluded the arguments in the Ayodhya dispute Ravish Kumar of NDTV was holding forth on the subject he advised listeners to educate themselves on Ayodhya case ( and not get brainwashed by ‘godi’ media) by reading a number of books written on the subject. He conspicuously omitted any reference to the book written on the subject by Ms Sandhya Jain.
All these people like Ravish and Barkha have done so much harm to this country with their divisive agendas and unnecessarily showing chameleon like tendencies. These people are not intellectuals but parasites.
By digging past, In the grave you'll find your Abba's deed and instructions, to destroy Hindus and India Which is important to know for younger and upcoming generations Hope to have more people like ranganathan sir 🙏
We migrated from Africa which was infact connected to south west of India by land 4 million years ago.. in later ages india broke from Africa and started drifting north to form towering Himalayas.
Steppe component is from Saka Pratihara Kushana and Huna. Their descendents are still living in India unless they all have been killed in Islamic invasions.
Sad state of affairs particularly in study of history and social sciences, there is left and right, their side, our side.where is open minded scholarship? We should strive to bring back true open minded study and scholarship not that which is based on ideologies, politics and propaganda .
I swear I'm a fan of mr Abhijit chavda, Anand Ranganathan and i recently came across this man Niraj. And i 100% didn't know who this man Aravinda N was...but i have to say it out loud that he was the one who spoke and dealt with biggest elephants in ait room. The first three looked like they were a little off here because of the Pak may bee.... 😄
danavas are sons of kashyapa and danu in purana cronicles . How can u creat history out of conjectures like these people called danavas bla bla bla....
@@125bbna8 Danavas have strong connection with river Danube. Danavas are fair skin, bigger size people who migrated from hindustan westwards. I am not sure abt Puranas mention but i am certainly not contradicting it.
Why don't you people edit the Vedic Sanskrit Wikipedia page. Because I have edited it just now by removing Aryan from its content in Wikipedia. But,apart from conducting these seminars,you being more affluent in the field,why can't you people do it or get it done by authorities.
Excellent speakers with amazing detailed info on the history as is now being discovered VS what has been challenged. I wish the host allowed for uninterrupted preset time for all the speakers. The constant interruption from the host, disturbs the flow of the speakers & the audience. A host that only speaks in questions, limits the context prefacing to a couple of minutes, introduces the speakers FIRST before providing context of the hour - are some of the few things that can be improved upon in the next session. The last person who disagreed or challenged the new narrative should've been taken up first in the Q&A, and should've given time for speakers to clarify. I wanted to hear how the speakers responded to it.
We are a nation state !! Israeli is example , they were made to leave their country but for more than 2000yrs they didn’t allow their nationhood to die . It’s important to preserve our cultural & civilisational identity of our unique nationhood. Babylonian, Greek, Roman , Egyptian having Cyrus the great, of Alexander the Great , Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, Augustus, Great feros all finished as they lost their culture & civilisational identities( nationhood). Darwin says Survival of THE fittest.. we have that THE . despite all struggle.
@t s Muthuraman 100% because Sanskrit was never common’s language ( but rather discouraged)& almost never anyone’s mother tongues. In north India ,every 50km not only language but food & behavior changes. For example In present day Bihar we have Maithili ( in north), in east Angika ( Bhagalpur), Magahi( Magadhi, in Gaya,Rajgir,patna )& bhojpuri ( in south & west) … how much different?? More than Tamil & Malayalam ( we have entirely distinct festivals, food , leaving style, literature, music , dances , our rituals like matrimony everything ) .. 99.99% Maithil ( mata Sita is Maithil) can’t speak bhojpuri or Magadhi or bhojpuri. Or Angika . Every region has their own rich history, writers, books etc Same is in utter pradesh , bhojpur( adjacent to Bihar .. Varanasi,Allahabad,Gorakhpur) Awadhi ( central UP like lucknow and area around) Bundelakhandi ( south /west like Merath, etc) Braj ( Mathura , Agra etc) same partition is there in madhya pradesh. Now all of them are highly different with full culture & civilisation . State language subject is not there in these states ( like Tamil state, Telugu , Malayalam & Cannada) . A Maithil for example speaks ( 99%) Maithili at home , celebrate festivals etc .. so Bihar,UP don’t have state unity on the basis of culture/language like in language states like bangal, Punjab , south ,Gujarat or even Maharashtra ( there was some division and they indeed divided) … so who is their for Sanskrit?? I am Maithil , and I can tell you if it was a separate state ,ppl of my area would be as proud of my language/culture/literature/history/food as Tamils are ( half of Maithila is in present day Nepal) ,… if you know there are many UPSC successful from Bihar ,it’s from Mithila ,just for introduction. Here I want to say Sanskrit is for entire nation ( like English today)and every region has their own language . Otherwise how Shankaracharya could talk with entire country?? English? Malayalam Or Tamil?? Like he had very long and famous shastrarth ( discussion) with Mandan Mishra & his wife of Mithila in which language? Janakpur used to host scholars from all over for discussion including Rawan in which language??
@t s Muthuraman nothing disappeared , but lost state patronage!! do you think Gujrati, Marathi got lost ?? go and visit that area . I was in Saudi Arabia for 5 yrs but I never needed to learn Arabic but if someone lives in Tamilnadu for 5 yrs having job of public communication ( physician) they can’t survive without Tamil . In my region 90/95% ppl speak Maithili despite being fluent in Hindi . In Maharashtra ( besides big cities ) majority speak Marathi but not essential. What Tamil kept growing ?? They just put iron curtain on other languages ,they have only one language to communicate so naturally it will become famous in the region . What iconic work done in Tamil in last 75 yrs ?? Tamil language worldwide spread has also something to do with Sri Lankan Tamil refugees in outside world. I have observed in various countries . ( remember Indian Sri Lankan Tamils & native Sri Lankan Tamils are different and conditions of Indian Tamils in Lanka largely in central provinces of shigeria, Nurelia, candy working in tea states are very bad and they have no voice not even of Sri Lankan or Indian Tamils… I have seen that ).
@t s Muthuraman language of Buddha is Pali ( close to Angika ), nothing finished there are more ppl still speaking all these language than Tamil. There are more Sanskrit use in south India than in North India. Sanskrit is as it was , in connecting India it lost to English. in south & Hindi in north.
@t s Muthuraman Mughal used Farsi . See in that time use of written language was limited to court/ religious text and for scholars. Common citizens never needed to write Or even read . So Farsi was used in state affairs called “kacheheri “ and in little education for writing biographies & history . Sanskrit was used in religious affairs ( that was really big because everything was linked to religion, as we can see Hindu connects rituals, trees, animals, agriculture, animals , water bodies like creating/renovating ponds is considered very auspicious you can see ponds at almost everywhere in India ,preserving cow is precious as entire economy from agriculture to processing agri product to good nutrition to transport everything is completely dependent on cattle) . But common ppl spoke only there native languages at home and own region, but what about places where ppl from all over had to gather specially in armies ? That needed to communicate in some common language,right ? here came Hindi & Urdu ( both are same phonetically) and they were not related to any religion as we see today ( there was no major religious rite in Bharat before 1857 , this was created by British after finding threat of national unity of 1857 revolt who took over from east India company)and divided using state scholars by giving Farsi script to Urdu & devnagri to hindi ( but still hindi & Urdu are same by words largely). So we can still find , when we are at our locality/village/family we speak our mother tongue & when with outsider /in group we speak Hindi. Literature/writing in regional language gradually vanished because now you want to reach larger population and your regional language can’t help. ( as we have seen success of regional cinemas when dubbed to hindi for larger audiences). When you will aspire to go international you can’t have cinema in just Tamil Or Marathi but you must dub in English too , how much rich your language may be !!!! So it’s always need than force that work for long time . English became international due to large British empire and need to have communication among .
@t s Muthuraman everyone is doing because it’s not just your language but your identity your unique existence in the world . We lost because we had existential problems ( when you are hungry, you don’t go in tour), but as our economy will improve we will strive for our identity ( but it’s not lost , fortunately through our dozens of cultural events, sanskars like marriage, last rights etc and festivals where we still repeat our traditional identities). Our old literatures are still preserved by those we ignored in the form traditional plays and songs and old temples pandits , they even maintain our family trees of many generations).
Things that is fallacious when found to be that, it should be drastically changed! Otherwise we will be still walking on the flat earth! Deal with the flat earth supporters if they come against the truth! Otherwise, we would be denying the truth to the people, in particular, the students!
Flat Earth is a fact. It is another bigger lie all of us are fed since birth about the nature of our world. A bunch of lies with no proof (except photoshopped NASA photos, cgi, videos shot in water and videos shot in antigravity jets). All NASA, all lies. Vedic cosmology is scientific fact. If you try to prove the globe without NASA, you will find there is no proof.
Did not get if the R1a was responsible for the lighter skin complexion and the European like features. If so and if 20% Indians have it, where did they get it from, considering that they think it was the Indians that migrated out and not the Europeans in. Anyone knows?
R1a isn't responsible for Lighter skin R1a is male Y gene and passes only from Father to son. while Skin color Gene is an Autosomal Gene and Can be passed from Both parents to offspring. A111T is the gene that is responsible for the light Color skin, hairs among Europeans, Middle easterns and Indians. The origin of this gene is estimated in a Region b/w North india and Middle east but No europe. It reached into europe with Neolithic Migrations of Farmers around 5000B.C before that European Hunters were Dark skinned with Red Hairs and Blue eyes. Due to a less sun_light Climatic conditions in Eurassian region this Gene underwent into a positive selection among the eurassian populations and they become a white race with Variety of Pale Skin and Blonde hairs and all this happen in b/w a time frame of 4000-3000B.C. The Neolithic immigrants from Iran and Caucasus who brought this gene into europe and central Asia had a wheat colored skin with Dark brown and black hairs and Light brown eyes like modern north indians, iranians and Middle easterns. They were not white as modern and Medieval europeans.
@@kshatriyarajput4908 So it would be fair to make a generic statement that the fair gene came from the Iran area into the subcontinent? I have also recently heard that Indus Valley people had 30% Iranian farmer genes and this migrated further into India.That seems a logical conclusion because mutation may produce fair genes but will not sustain in subcontinental climate.
@@Ragameiste I didnt say the mutation originated in Iran It can be in afghanistan and even in pakistan also the Freuqncy of this mutation is also Higher among afghans and North western indo-pak ppl and according to recent rakhigarhi dna study Harrapans didnt have any Iranian farmer admixture but they had a Related Ancestory to them but that iranian related Ancestory They got from Proto-Indo-Iranian people who Existed prior to 10,000B.C in some unknown Geographical region and from them Both Proto-Harrapans and proto-Iranic-farmers descendant off The Proto indo iranian Ancestory in Harrapans was from 60-90% and Onge Ancestory 40-10%
@t s Muthuraman I am a Hindu and so the seeker in every aspect. Help me to distinguish the Religious, Gods, belives, ideologies of Aryan and Dravidian culture?
Our nation Bharat only exists,if we believe in Brahma-Vishnu-Mahesh,where,Brahma-Vishnu-Mahesh,Saptarishi,Amavasu dynasty,Ramayana,Mahabharata would be only a story,if we are unable to link each one of them together. So, out of 07 saptarishis/Brahmarishis,six being sons of god Brahma were Brahmarishi by birth and Vishwamitra/Kaushik is the only human being,who was originally a shatriya king of Amavasu dynasty and was given recognition of Brahmarishi by god Brahma himself. So saptarishi gets linked authenticity with Brahma-Vishnu-Mahesh. Then,Vishwamitra/Kaushik also appeared in Ramayana. Also,Bharat king,the descendants of pandavs/kauravas was son of dushyant king and mother Shakuntla, where Shakuntla was daughter of Kaushik/Vishwamitra,so Mahabharata truthfulness is also justified. So,Brahma-Vishnu-Mahesh,Saptarishi,Amavasu dynasty,Ramayana & Mahabharata are as true as we are alive today in our country named Bharat,as Vishwamitra/Kaushik binds them together with full authenticity in any point of our nation Bharat. Aryans,dravidians are just propaganda of few people who have their personal interests above National heritage interests. Great job done by u all. Keep it up.
PLEASE OBSERVE THE STATEMENTS OF THE CHAIR PERSON 1 ) R1A1 HAS ITS ORIGIN IN INDIA . 2 ) ONE THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE 1500 BCE THE INDIANS HAD NO STEPPE COMPONENT ( DOES HE MEAN R1A1 ? ) FROM THE ABOVE SECOND STATEMENT WE HAVE TO CONCLUDE THAT R1A1 CAME TO INDIA FROM OUTSIDE AFTER 2500 BCE . BUT THIS WILL CONTRADICT THE FIRST STAEMENT . SO WHAT TO DECIDE ? CAN ANY BODY HELP ?
By Steppe Component they are talking about Autosomal Ancestory From Steppe population and not talking about R1a that is just a Male Y Chromosome dna and its origin is In India around 25,000yrs ago as in india becoz we also find indian males with R* Haplogroup till today which is a parent Branch of all R1a. i other than this diversity of R1a is much much higher in india than any population in the world. Now Come to steppe Ancestory The steppe population was formed from the mixture of Four different Populations. Anatolian Farmers from Caucasus Iranian Farmers from Iran East European Hunter Gatherers of East europe. Siberian Hunter Gatherers from South Russia and central Asia. above these populations Iranian farmers were descendants of Anatolian Farmers and Proto-Indo-Iranian Group. the Mixture of these Populations constitued the Yamnaya pastoralists whom u Call Aryans. Rakhigarhi DNA was Composition of Only Two Populations. Proto-Harrapans of North India(70-90% Ancestory was from them) and Proto-Madraasi-Hunter gatherers of South and Central South india unique to India. (10-30% Ancestory from these) Like Proto Iranic farmers Proto-Harrapans were Also Descendants of Proto-Indo-Iranian Population.
@t s Muthuraman Look its not just about the gene. The Aryan Migration people believe in two things first Aryans brought Sanskrit and Vedas to India and second they destroyed the native Indian population and started caste system. Second is conclusively proven false as no native civilization was destroyed and we already find traces of Sarasvati exactly at Harappan sites and Dwarka exactly where Mahabharat describes. Coming to first point that Sanskrit came from outside, now we are proving movement of Indians towards west which means they might have carried their language and culture there and we dont see great Sanskrit text existant in west whatever little they have of Pagan beliefs must have went there through India otherwise why they dont have full Vedas and Sanskrit preserved as it is? Even if the discoverd gene on that *one* body was not R doesnot means the culture of people was not Saraswati river based (Vedic culture) That means Tamilian/ Dravidian culture was inheritantly Vedic with or without R1 gene! We have already found horse, chariot Swastika and shivaling and yogic statues in Indus sites which tells you culture of Indus was Vedic or similar to Vedic anyhow. Which means it was always a mixed culture somehow similar to Karnataka of today Vedic as well as Dravida. Also the R1a1 and its ancient ancestors are found in India and the diversity is very high meaning the Vedic and the so called dark skinned were living together (like present Karnataka) for thousands of years before the timeline of Aryan Migration (1000 BC) And the Vedas talk of India of Saraswati, Ganga Sindhu not of Turkey or Russia.
@t s Muthuraman Nakt means night in Rigveda. Its a Sanskrit word which prooves Sanskrit went outside and becane Nakt to Noct. As a Sanskrit speaker can propnunce Nokt but latin cannot that means sanskrut word was borrowed.
@t s Muthuraman Aah you have no understanding of anything. Noct can be written and pronounced easily by anyone from Sanskrit background it is just N plus Matra of O. But latin tounge cannot pronunce N properly and modified it to No. Sanskrit starts with proper 'अ' which gets modified in Europe means European languages are modification of Sanskrit. And Sanskrit is primordial language of AUM. Sanskrit has no word for language the word Bhasha means speaking. Like Bharat is Sanskrit word but Tamil Tounge/ Bhasha makes it Tha as in Bhartha means the word travelled in its pure from to people of land of Tamil bhasha. Same is for Noct. Nakt travelled to Latin tongue and became Noct. Bhasha simply means way of speaking coming from Bhashan means speech. The pure word Nakt goes from Sanskrit to Europe not vice versa. Aum.
@t s Muthuraman Ra is alphabet in Sanskrut. It has many words Raja, Rani, Rajya Rashi Rashmi Ratna Rajni, Ratri etc. You should learn Ashtadhyayi Grammar of Pannini. Sanskrit has many synonyms for most of its words. Also already shown you that pure sound is Nakta not Noct if pure sound was Noct we would be using Noct in Vedas.
If you could find a brick then that can't be ARYAN civilization. Vedic people were forest dwellers, and they were not familiar with other types of lands (Kurinchi, mullai, marutham(farming skills), neythal(navigational skills) and palai). People migrate because they were looking for better life. Snakes cannot build shelter of their own and they chase the ants and occupy the ant hills. If the vedic civilization is Indic then how Varnashram spread throughout India. Kashmir issue is being ignored why?
Vedic literature talks about cities king's,trading ships, city construction methods, wars and urban life styles. For example: 1.Samudra is frequently mentioned in the Rig Veda 2.Treasures of the ocean are mentioned (RV 1-47-6; 7-6-7; 9-97-44) 3.Pearls and other gains of the trade are found in RV 1-48-3, 1-56-2; 4-55-6 4.Bhujyu was rescued by the Asvins from mid sea after a shipwreck RV 1-116-5. A ship with hundred oars (sataritra) is mentioned. 5.In the Rig Veda (1-56-2; 4-55-6), there are clear references to trading in distant lands for profit (RV 1-48-3) 6. RV 7.88.5 refers to thousand gates. RV 2.41.5 & 5.62.6 refers to thousand pillared complex. Your comments shows your ignorance about Vedic literature.
@@thusharasurajith4774 you left Ganesha had plastic surgery, Monkeys talked in Ramayana, Stem cell baby was Karna...show some thing with history and sloka number. Concluding statements without evidence amounts to mere pleading.
If there is a possibility of both inward and outward migration, in my opinion, the speculation of an inward migration is more rational. I can be wrong, but it seems very unlikely to me that people would leave this large swath of fertile lands in india and migrate towards middle asian desert lands in a large number. The population was not that large anyway...so pressure from inside to leave is not the case. It becomes more evident if you look carefully at the ancient and medieval india where indians only go out in a small number for trade and preaching religion. But indian kings or population were not that much interested to campaign outside of india for permanent control. Because that was niether necessary nor logistically reasonable. Also in my country Bangladesh the leftist politics has nothing to do with AIT and we are not hindu majority also. So AIT is not taught that agressively. I have grown up learning that aryans were nomads who came for greener lands and got assimilated with the more advanced agriculture based indus valley civilization. I used to know that aryan invaders were just better warriors because of their nomadic lifestyle and that helped them to dominate politically. Its like how akkadian nomads took over the sumerian civilization. Overall the arguements put forward in this debate didn’t convince me.
It is not correct to say there was no incentive to move out. After all Hinduism spread to South East Asia - Indonesia, Cambodia, Bali from India mainly in the Chola empire's times. Other reasons could have been trade, climatic conditions like drought or floods. Another possibility could be invasions (local or otherwise) - for example the spread of Roma people to Europe.
I would recommend the saraswati civilisation book by G.D. Bakshi for clearing your doubts. But let me try to answer them a bit. The Indus valley civilisation is actually the Sarasvati valley civilisation. 60% of the sites found were around the river sarasvati and not indus. Moreover in scriptures, (rig veda majorly) Sarasvati is mentioned as the mother of all rivers because of its sheer volume. It's route has been plotted using satellite mapping(you can google its path). It originated from the Himalayas and along the north-west India flowed into the sea. In 1900bce, it completely dried out. That is the time of decline of harrapan civilisation. From then people started moving away from that area. Some went further to north west, some inwards india. So yeah, it was fertile land but with few reasons(like change of course of yamuna from west to east due to shift in tectonic plates), it was not a liveable place. Therefore people moved out.
Also, many tribes fought among themselves during the vedic period. The devas won the battle with asuras and lived here whereas the asuras were thrown out of this area. So when you read zend avesta(the holy book of zoroastrians) you will find a lot of similarities with the rig veda. Both used to worship with the help of fire, it was sacred to both. Soma plant is mentioned in both books. But the roles of devas and asuras are reversed. In rigveda devas are good people but in zend avesta, devas are bad people. Battle of 21 kings and after that 10 kings is mentioned in rig veda. The people of iran, greece( natively called hellenic people)(also mentioned in rig veda as helena clan) originated here itself. But due to wars and fights the other Vedic tribes moved out.
Ranga uncle labeled his opening remarks as philosophical whereas what he spoke was just biological. He completely missed philosophical aspect. Quite shallow.
Abe it's a philosophical question or consideration based on scientific and archeological findings. Again, the question of 'if digging up the past is worth it' is philosophical. The findings are scientific and archeological. If you have low iq don't advertise it like this...
natty_the_great natty_the_great What's so philosophical about mentioning things like human beings are just a bunch of cells with limited lifespan having got more bacteria than human cells, and that we are all ethiopians migrating to and inhabiting other continents?? Yes it is based on scientific and archeological findings nobody is denying that but that's not philosophy, certainly not in indian context. The question of whether digging up the past is worth it definitely has a philosophical dimension to it but what he explained is not philosophical. And, congrats on your high iq.
@@zengiggle I am surprised you consider yourself an intelligent person and don't see the philosophical implications in those. If your just a bunch of cells with a limited life span, it brings into question the meaning of your life and your actions in life. In the grand scheme of things, just how important or unimportant are you? Then the fact that we all ultimately have African ancestors is the same, we differentiate between ourselves based on so many things, caste, language, race etc but don't realize we are all on different branches of the same tree. It raises the question of why we differentiate like we do and should we and much much more. I agree tho that his explanations were not really upto snuff. Maybe he didn't really prepare and was doing it ex-tempo? He didn't delve too much into the philosophical aspects during the discussion. The discussion mostly focused on our Right wing pet peeves instead.
natty_the_great Something having philosophical implications and it being philosophical are two different things. They don't always have to be the same. Questions you mentioned as the implications are definitely philosophical but they are only the resultants of scientific findings that he packaged as philosophical. For eg, Quantum physics is not philosophy. My limited point was that his explanation is not up to snuff. About that we are on the same page, though I'd add that his explanation is misrepresentation as well. I don't want to unload rest of what you commented and drag it further. Have a good day.
@@zengiggle Quantum Theory is a scientific theory and it espouses certain mathematical facts about how sub-molecular particles behave true. But there's plenty there for someone with a philosophical bent to also dissect. Instead of me, a non-physicist, non-academician, trying to explain those, let me give you a resource that discusses those philosophical issues, plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-issues/ You are being needlessly obstinate brother or sister. Everything in life has philosophical implications and scientific facts especially so. And yes, let's not drag it further. You too have a good day.
THE MODERATOR HIMSELF AGREES THAT THERE WAS NO STEPPE ANCESTRY IN INDIA BEFORE 2500 BC . BUT THE LATEST STUDIES AS DESCRIBED BY MR. NIRAJ RAI SHOWS THAT IT IS AVAILABLE IN INDIA NOW . WHAT ELSE IS REQUIRED TO INFER THAT THE STEPPE GENE R1A1 CAME FROM OUTSIDE ? COMING TO THE FOUR TIMES VARIATIONS OF THE GENE IN INDIA THAN CENTRAL ASIA --- WHY CAN IT NOT BE DUE TO SEVERAL WAVES OF INVASIONS FROM VARIOUS DIRECTIONS FROM OUTSIDE THE SUBCONTINENT AND ENDING IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT ROUNDS OF INTER BREEDINGS ?
First of all the steps gene and R1 a are 2 different genes, second variations due to invasions and inbreeding mutations don't work like that, also genetic influx not always equals cultural exchange, so even if we take Aryan migration or invasion in account for it to change the culture of harrapans it has to large scale for which there is no genetic or archeological evidence it's infact not possible due to geographical factors also both Europeans and Chinese are genetically closer to indians and during volcanic erruptions only African and indian population survived and spread outwards which is a documented fact though its about million years ago, I suggest you completely go through the videos I have provided you might be able to understand because this is such a complex topic that involves examination of different fields of evidence can't go on here, also race is not a scientific concept just a matter of few mutations the level of scientific knowledge of Indian masses is really appalling we need proper education and not indoctrination. ua-cam.com/video/RGyjvyXEKdc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/1bsyi4zYHP0/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/CUgoCNtldcQ/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/n7VI19MAEqk/v-deo.html I don't know why all my replies to you are getting deleated, but to summarise your basic assumptions are unscientific listen to these talks to understand the basics and then you can read the academic papers, primary evidence is provided.
NOBODY SAYS THAT STEEPE MIGRATED TO INDIA AFTER 1500 BCE. MODERN INDIANS HAVE STEPPE ANCESTRY. BUT THAT DOESNT PROVE THAT THEY BROUGHT SANSKRIT AND VEDIC LITERATURES TO INDIA. RIGVEDA DESCRIBES THE MIGHTY RIVER SARASWATI IN DIFFERENT HYMNS. ACCORDING TO HYDROLOGIC STUDIES SARSVATHI RIVER DECLINED THE FLOW BEFORE 5000 YEARS.. 1500 BCE UT ALMIST STOPOED ITS FLOW. IF ARYANS CAME HERE IN 1500 BCE HOW CAN THEY DESCRIBE THE MIGHTY RIVER SARSWATHI?
you have to understand that immigrants do not arrive like that between an entire country no What do you have to understand that they have to have ID cards with which they present themselves to the police to the doctor in court or to other and other things exactly like passport exactly so it must be a identity card for each person that you have to do you don't have to worry as immigrants will drop then
why didnt they have a single proponent of the AIT on the panel? i've watched a few of these so called 'panel discussions' now, and seems they are a bit scared to debate a real AIT advocate. AIT is a fact, it's totally got nothing to do with politics, and eventually everyone in India will have to face the fact and just get on with their lives...
People from the side of AIT aren't themselves willing to take any participation on these dabates as per my knowledge. As if they're convinced that the already set framework is absolute. They've been challenged by the opponents of AIT several times by the likes of Shrikant T, Raj Vedam etc but their way of dealing with these issues is basically play the silent game (atleast it seems like it). It'll be very fascinating to see a panel of both sides in a debate without any political or ideological based narrative but rather just as an academic topic. Let's hope for the best and the truth 🤞🏼
Wow. You people broke the lies of my Tamilnadu State Board School History Books. from 1967-2026 it was Dravidian Parties ruling State Government clearly set narratives of Aryan Invasion Theory - 4 varnas set by them reason for caste problems in Tamilnadu and they split our Tamil people (originated from so called Lemuria and developed Sangam) Anti Brahmin Narratives - E V Ramasamy portrayal of freedom fighter and empowerment of women, and saviour of Tamil language, reservation and he saved Tamil land etc etc... U V Saminatha Iyer a Brahmin went home to home in tamilnadu cities, rescued them from Boghi burning rituals and published many existing sangam tamil literature. He's lesser known and not celebrated as the Brahmin hatred clearly sowed among our tamil students right from school books due to AIT - Dravidian Narratives. Actually our Tamil Culture was also old, there's evidences from Keezhadi - Adichanallur - Sivakalai - Paiyyampalli etc which dates to millennia BCEs. Hereafter I try to examine them by collecting news of scientifically validated evidences டைம்ஸ் நவ் ல ஆனந்த் ரங்கநாதன் அவர் பேசியதை பார்த்துவிட்டு இதை அவங்களுக்காக பார்த்தேன். ஆனால் பங்குபெற்ற அனைவரும் எனது வரலாற்று கற்றலை மறு ஆய்வு செய்த தகவல்களை படிக்க தூண்டியுள்ளனர். நன்றி நிகழ்ச்சி ஏற்பாட்டாளர்களுக்கு Thank you from Thekkalur, Tamil Nadu
Really propaganda? Do you watch neeraj rai podcast he is a geneticist he did many research on AIT and you talk about other side that why they didn't come in this discussion because the don't want to discuss if the discuss they are going to be exposed for sure
These are nothing but damage control activities after the the Rakhigarhi DNA proved DRAVIDIAN . That activity was rendered some impartiality by the presence of mr narasimhan and harvard university .Etc. These observations seem to be utterly one sided . Here what ever these people say is according to their own wishful thinking . Poor geneticicst ! he has to dance to these peoples song .
Damage control. Lol...You couldn't just digest the truth. Kid your fake Dravidian propaganda Aryan Invension theory was debunked in this study now cry as much as you can.
Friends we must go for this type of programs in Every corner of the universe and in INDIA, in all languages of Indian origin, govt, Deshpremi N G O, trusts, pvt companies, persons should come forward and arrange this type of programs and Donate JAI MAA BHARATI.
Irfan has reduced himself to his original diminutive self recently, after the facts started pouring in. He abuses women on twitter, such is the real Irfan.
If acording to the AIT sanskrit was part of caucasian ethos... why is it they cannot even pronounce any term in sanskrit the way it should be... their tongue is so inadaptive to any sanskrit pronunciation...
Yes there was movement of people from I.V.C to central asia and mesopotamia before 2000BC but the phrase 'out of India' is specifically about the idea that India was the homeland of Indo-European languages
LEFTIST MEDIA, COMMUNISTS & PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT LATEST GROUND BREAKING RESEARCH BY INDIAN SCIENTISTS DISPROVING ARYANS INVASION TO INDIA, CHARIOT, HORSE, VEDAS, KNOWLEDGE ETC. R INDEGINOUS TO INDIA NOT IMPORTED FROM FOREIGN LAND R CORRUPTED BY FOREIGN DEVILS & HAVE INFERIORITY COMPLEX. IGNORE LEFTISTS, COMMUNISTS, TRAITORS.
So this I what eco-chamber sounds like. Come out Rangu and have debates with your opposites and you will taste what your ancestors have experienced throughout the history.
superb....Vivekananda said in 1890's ''it is a pity that this theory of aryan invasion is being taught in Indian schools, when in our shastras there is no mention of it''...
Why shasthras would mention ? No thief says he is thief .
@Truth Lost I MEANT WHY THERE IS NO MENTION OF AIT IN THE SHASTRAS WHICH NEVER WANTED TO REVEAL THE TRUTH OF THE ARYANS WAGING WARS KILLING AND SUBJUGATING THE NATIVES BUT ALL THE DESCRIPTIONS OF WARS INDRA AND SUCH DEVILS WAGED COULD NOT BE TOTALLY HIDDEN !!!
@Truth Lost YES
@@muthuraman8809 r u a fucking idiot? If the aryans invaded/destroyed indus valley civilization they would write it as the greatest victory they ever achieved, why is such an achievement not listed in the vedic hyms?
@@extratropicalcyclone8567 ok you have revealed your cultural level by your adjective given to me . where did i tell the aryans invaded ? the aryans are supposed to have entered india at the end of the indus valley civilisation !
One argument to why dig up the past:
If you don't learn from your past, you're bound to make the same mistakes you did. So dig up everything, learn, never make the same mistakes again.
And also to get the world informed about our true history, because how the world sees us ,has an impact on our present and future
@@Jo-pv4jx True but if Bharatiyas "know" who they are and "realize" their sanskriti , no reqt. to concentrate on how the world perceives us "for the future of Bharat". However, yes for the current day international relations some perceptions will be involved and some effort will be required on mass communication, cultural and power projection.
@@TheB657 yup✌✌
instaBlaster
After the Supreme Court concluded the arguments in the Ayodhya dispute Ravish Kumar of NDTV was holding forth on the subject he advised listeners to educate themselves on Ayodhya case ( and not get brainwashed by ‘godi’ media) by reading a number of books written on the subject. He conspicuously omitted any reference to the book written on the subject by Ms Sandhya Jain.
All these people like Ravish and Barkha have done so much harm to this country with their divisive agendas and unnecessarily showing chameleon like tendencies. These people are not intellectuals but parasites.
Ye dislike krne wale koi indian non-scholar hain jinko kuch bhi pramaan dikha do inhone rona he rona h!!
Mysorepak is the key to such brilliant discussion
Those who do not learn from the past are doomed in the future
Amazing session ...loved watching.
Namaskar and thanks a lot for all who worked and have unveiled the facts to the world.
Anand you did a great job of moderating this session.
@David Rath Now having following Anand Ranganathan on various platforms, I can say we have got our right intellegensia 😅
There is a site in my village where they can excavate to knw abt ancient history.it was a village under sand dunes.
Which is that place?
In rajasthan?
@Arid 😂😂 u dnt knw anything abt etymology .
So such scientific information, though listening after 2 yrs it is a important revelation.Thanks
By digging past, In the grave you'll find your Abba's deed and instructions, to destroy Hindus and India
Which is important to know for younger and upcoming generations
Hope to have more people like ranganathan sir 🙏
Great discussion, very informative!
Awesome discussion .. we are digging up past to show our history.. we have been here always
I would definitely like to meet two persons in my life.
Anand Rangnathan and subramaniyam swamy
Ashvamegh yagya was performed in Tretayug by Shri Ram.
Great Job guys !
Great anchoring and good discussion. Thank you all
Very wonderful factual conversation by you people. Thank you..
52:05 - Steppe migration can also be accounted to the "Sogdians" migrating to Bharat around 2nd - 3rd century C.E
Thanks
The saddest part is that this video has only 33k views
We migrated from Africa which was infact connected to south west of India by land 4 million years ago.. in later ages india broke from Africa and started drifting north to form towering Himalayas.
Wonderful
Share this video wherever A I theory is discussed.👍
Only the Pondy Lit Fest has such marvellous sessions of science!
Steppe component is from Saka Pratihara Kushana and Huna. Their descendents are still living in India unless they all have been killed in Islamic invasions.
Anand sar symbol of nolez 🙏
These scientists are kicking the butts of left liberals so hard...hahaha
zor se bolo JAI MATA KI saare bolo JAI MATA KI.
Subhash kak on symbols was amazing.
Wow my mind just blew away from this session 🔥
Awesome discussion 🙏🙏🙏
it's a great job Anand
This reminds me of the question explored in the film 'Planet of the Apes'.
Anand ji rocks
Sad state of affairs particularly in study of history and social sciences, there is left and right, their side, our side.where is open minded scholarship?
We should strive to bring back true open minded study and scholarship not that which is based on ideologies, politics and propaganda .
Love u guys 😘
I swear I'm a fan of mr Abhijit chavda, Anand Ranganathan and i recently came across this man Niraj.
And i 100% didn't know who this man Aravinda N was...but i have to say it out loud that he was the one who spoke and dealt with biggest elephants in ait room.
The first three looked like they were a little off here because of the Pak may bee.... 😄
Bigger size hindus went westwards and settled near river Danube.(main river in Europe even today) These people were called Danavas.
Vasu: Joshua. Christ: Krisna
Leftist or Islamist can buy Archelogists. We ought to be carefull
Manish Any evidence?
danavas are sons of kashyapa and danu in purana cronicles . How can u creat history out of conjectures like these people called danavas bla bla bla....
@@125bbna8 Danavas have strong connection with river Danube. Danavas are fair skin, bigger size people who migrated from hindustan westwards. I am not sure abt Puranas mention but i am certainly not contradicting it.
Why don't you people edit the Vedic Sanskrit Wikipedia page. Because I have edited it just now by removing Aryan from its content in Wikipedia. But,apart from conducting these seminars,you being more affluent in the field,why can't you people do it or get it done by authorities.
Amazing discussion !!!
17:46 whixh site is he talking about? Spelling? Its not clearly audible.
Binjo....??
Edit: Binjor, Rajisthan???
Good job
Excellent speakers with amazing detailed info on the history as is now being discovered VS what has been challenged.
I wish the host allowed for uninterrupted preset time for all the speakers.
The constant interruption from the host, disturbs the flow of the speakers & the audience.
A host that only speaks in questions, limits the context prefacing to a couple of minutes, introduces the speakers FIRST before providing context of the hour - are some of the few things that can be improved upon in the next session.
The last person who disagreed or challenged the new narrative should've been taken up first in the Q&A, and should've given time for speakers to clarify. I wanted to hear how the speakers responded to it.
We are a nation state !! Israeli is example , they were made to leave their country but for more than 2000yrs they didn’t allow their nationhood to die .
It’s important to preserve our cultural & civilisational identity of our unique nationhood.
Babylonian, Greek, Roman , Egyptian having Cyrus the great, of Alexander the Great , Aristotle, Plato, Socrates, Augustus, Great feros all finished as they lost their culture & civilisational identities( nationhood).
Darwin says Survival of THE fittest.. we have that THE . despite all struggle.
@t s Muthuraman 100% because Sanskrit was never common’s language ( but rather discouraged)& almost never anyone’s mother tongues.
In north India ,every 50km not only language but food & behavior changes. For example
In present day Bihar we have Maithili ( in north), in east Angika ( Bhagalpur), Magahi( Magadhi, in Gaya,Rajgir,patna )& bhojpuri ( in south & west) … how much different?? More than Tamil & Malayalam ( we have entirely distinct festivals, food , leaving style, literature, music , dances , our rituals like matrimony everything ) .. 99.99% Maithil ( mata Sita is Maithil) can’t speak bhojpuri or Magadhi or bhojpuri. Or Angika .
Every region has their own rich history, writers, books etc
Same is in utter pradesh , bhojpur( adjacent to Bihar .. Varanasi,Allahabad,Gorakhpur)
Awadhi ( central UP like lucknow and area around)
Bundelakhandi ( south /west like Merath, etc)
Braj ( Mathura , Agra etc) same partition is there in madhya pradesh.
Now all of them are highly different with full culture & civilisation . State language subject is not there in these states ( like Tamil state, Telugu , Malayalam & Cannada) .
A Maithil for example speaks ( 99%) Maithili at home , celebrate festivals etc .. so Bihar,UP don’t have state unity on the basis of culture/language like in language states like bangal, Punjab , south ,Gujarat or even Maharashtra ( there was some division and they indeed divided) … so who is their for Sanskrit??
I am Maithil , and I can tell you if it was a separate state ,ppl of my area would be as proud of my language/culture/literature/history/food as Tamils are ( half of Maithila is in present day Nepal) ,… if you know there are many UPSC successful from Bihar ,it’s from Mithila ,just for introduction.
Here I want to say Sanskrit is for entire nation ( like English today)and every region has their own language .
Otherwise how Shankaracharya could talk with entire country?? English? Malayalam Or Tamil??
Like he had very long and famous shastrarth ( discussion) with Mandan Mishra & his wife of Mithila in which language?
Janakpur used to host scholars from all over for discussion including Rawan in which language??
@t s Muthuraman nothing disappeared , but lost state patronage!! do you think Gujrati, Marathi got lost ?? go and visit that area .
I was in Saudi Arabia for 5 yrs but I never needed to learn Arabic but if someone lives in Tamilnadu for 5 yrs having job of public communication ( physician) they can’t survive without Tamil .
In my region 90/95% ppl speak Maithili despite being fluent in Hindi . In Maharashtra ( besides big cities ) majority speak Marathi but not essential.
What Tamil kept growing ?? They just put iron curtain on other languages ,they have only one language to communicate so naturally it will become famous in the region .
What iconic work done in Tamil in last 75 yrs ??
Tamil language worldwide spread has also something to do with Sri Lankan Tamil refugees in outside world. I have observed in various countries . ( remember Indian Sri Lankan Tamils & native Sri Lankan Tamils are different and conditions of Indian Tamils in Lanka largely in central provinces of shigeria, Nurelia, candy working in tea states are very bad and they have no voice not even of Sri Lankan or Indian Tamils… I have seen that ).
@t s Muthuraman language of Buddha is Pali ( close to Angika ), nothing finished there are more ppl still speaking all these language than Tamil.
There are more Sanskrit use in south India than in North India.
Sanskrit is as it was , in connecting India it lost to English. in south & Hindi in north.
@t s Muthuraman Mughal used Farsi . See in that time use of written language was limited to court/ religious text and for scholars. Common citizens never needed to write Or even read . So Farsi was used in state affairs called “kacheheri “
and in little education for writing biographies & history .
Sanskrit was used in religious affairs ( that was really big because everything was linked to religion, as we can see Hindu connects rituals, trees, animals, agriculture, animals , water bodies like creating/renovating ponds is considered very auspicious you can see ponds at almost everywhere in India ,preserving cow is precious as entire economy from agriculture to processing agri product to good nutrition to transport everything is completely dependent on cattle) .
But common ppl spoke only there native languages at home and own region, but what about places where ppl from all over had to gather specially in armies ? That needed to communicate in some common language,right ? here came Hindi & Urdu ( both are same phonetically) and they were not related to any religion as we see today ( there was no major religious rite in Bharat before 1857 , this was created by British after finding threat of national unity of 1857 revolt who took over from east India company)and divided using state scholars by giving Farsi script to Urdu & devnagri to hindi ( but still hindi & Urdu are same by words largely).
So we can still find , when we are at our locality/village/family we speak our mother tongue & when with outsider /in group we speak Hindi. Literature/writing in regional language gradually vanished because now you want to reach larger population and your regional language can’t help. ( as we have seen success of regional cinemas when dubbed to hindi for larger audiences). When you will aspire to go international you can’t have cinema in just Tamil Or Marathi but you must dub in English too , how much rich your language may be !!!!
So it’s always need than force that work for long time . English became international due to large British empire and need to have communication among .
@t s Muthuraman everyone is doing because it’s not just your language but your identity your unique existence in the world . We lost because we had existential problems ( when you are hungry, you don’t go in tour), but as our economy will improve we will strive for our identity ( but it’s not lost , fortunately through our dozens of cultural events, sanskars like marriage, last rights etc and festivals where we still repeat our traditional identities). Our old literatures are still preserved by those we ignored in the form traditional plays and songs and old temples pandits , they even maintain our family trees of many generations).
Things that is fallacious when found to be that, it should be drastically changed! Otherwise we will be still walking on the flat earth! Deal with the flat earth supporters if they come against the truth! Otherwise, we would be denying the truth to the people, in particular, the students!
Flat Earth is a fact. It is another bigger lie all of us are fed since birth about the nature of our world. A bunch of lies with no proof (except photoshopped NASA photos, cgi, videos shot in water and videos shot in antigravity jets). All NASA, all lies. Vedic cosmology is scientific fact. If you try to prove the globe without NASA, you will find there is no proof.
Bhima-Karma V. Saragrahi
Walk gently that you fall off to the abyss when you come to the edge of it!
Students who will be the future generations and trustees of true scholarship knowledge and history.
Did not get if the R1a was responsible for the lighter skin complexion and the European like features. If so and if 20% Indians have it, where did they get it from, considering that they think it was the Indians that migrated out and not the Europeans in. Anyone knows?
Open Kimono Answer @50:20?
R1 dna is also found in adivasis of odisha chattisgarh and maharastra.
R1a isn't responsible for Lighter skin
R1a is male Y gene and passes only from Father to son.
while
Skin color Gene is an Autosomal Gene and Can be passed from Both parents to offspring.
A111T is the gene that is responsible for the light Color skin, hairs among Europeans, Middle easterns and Indians.
The origin of this gene is estimated in a Region b/w North india and Middle east but No europe.
It reached into europe with Neolithic Migrations of Farmers around 5000B.C before that European Hunters were Dark skinned with Red Hairs and Blue eyes.
Due to a less sun_light Climatic conditions in Eurassian region this Gene underwent into a positive selection among the eurassian populations and they become a white race with Variety of Pale Skin and Blonde hairs and all this happen in b/w a time frame of 4000-3000B.C.
The Neolithic immigrants from Iran and Caucasus who brought this gene into europe and central Asia had a wheat colored skin with Dark brown and black hairs and Light brown eyes like modern north indians, iranians and Middle easterns.
They were not white as modern and Medieval europeans.
@@kshatriyarajput4908 So it would be fair to make a generic statement that the fair gene came from the Iran area into the subcontinent? I have also recently heard that Indus Valley people had 30% Iranian farmer genes and this migrated further into India.That seems a logical conclusion because mutation may produce fair genes but will not sustain in subcontinental climate.
@@Ragameiste I didnt say the mutation originated in Iran It can be in afghanistan and even in pakistan also the Freuqncy of this mutation is also Higher among afghans and North western indo-pak ppl and according to recent rakhigarhi dna study Harrapans didnt have any Iranian farmer admixture but they had a Related Ancestory to them but that iranian related Ancestory They got from Proto-Indo-Iranian people who Existed prior to 10,000B.C in some unknown Geographical region and from them Both Proto-Harrapans and proto-Iranic-farmers descendant off
The Proto indo iranian Ancestory in Harrapans was from 60-90% and Onge Ancestory 40-10%
Don’t say we are so great
Satyameva Jayate
@t s Muthuraman I am a Hindu and so the seeker in every aspect. Help me to distinguish the Religious, Gods, belives, ideologies of Aryan and Dravidian culture?
@t s Muthuraman 🤣🤣🤣 pagal hi too
Please upload this video in Hindi
Can. The. Variations. Be. Not. Due to different. Waves. Of. Invasions. And. Inter. Breeding. Right from. Pre historic to. Present times ?
Our nation Bharat only exists,if we believe in Brahma-Vishnu-Mahesh,where,Brahma-Vishnu-Mahesh,Saptarishi,Amavasu dynasty,Ramayana,Mahabharata would be only a story,if we are unable to link each one of them together. So, out of 07 saptarishis/Brahmarishis,six being sons of god Brahma were Brahmarishi by birth and Vishwamitra/Kaushik is the only human being,who was originally a shatriya king of Amavasu dynasty and was given recognition of Brahmarishi by god Brahma himself. So saptarishi gets linked authenticity with Brahma-Vishnu-Mahesh. Then,Vishwamitra/Kaushik also appeared in Ramayana. Also,Bharat king,the descendants of pandavs/kauravas was son of dushyant king and mother Shakuntla, where Shakuntla was daughter of Kaushik/Vishwamitra,so Mahabharata truthfulness is also justified. So,Brahma-Vishnu-Mahesh,Saptarishi,Amavasu dynasty,Ramayana & Mahabharata are as true as we are alive today in our country named Bharat,as Vishwamitra/Kaushik binds them together with full authenticity in any point of our nation Bharat. Aryans,dravidians are just propaganda of few people who have their personal interests above National heritage interests. Great job done by u all. Keep it up.
PLEASE OBSERVE THE STATEMENTS OF THE CHAIR PERSON 1 ) R1A1 HAS ITS ORIGIN IN INDIA . 2 ) ONE THOUSAND YEARS BEFORE 1500 BCE THE INDIANS HAD NO STEPPE COMPONENT ( DOES HE MEAN R1A1 ? ) FROM THE ABOVE SECOND STATEMENT WE HAVE TO CONCLUDE THAT R1A1 CAME TO INDIA FROM OUTSIDE AFTER 2500 BCE . BUT THIS WILL CONTRADICT THE FIRST STAEMENT . SO WHAT TO DECIDE ? CAN ANY BODY HELP ?
By Steppe Component they are talking about Autosomal Ancestory From Steppe population and not talking about R1a that is just a Male Y Chromosome dna and its origin is In India around 25,000yrs ago as in india becoz we also find indian males with R* Haplogroup till today which is a parent Branch of all R1a. i
other than this diversity of R1a is much much higher in india than any population in the world.
Now Come to steppe Ancestory The steppe population was formed from the mixture of Four different Populations.
Anatolian Farmers from Caucasus
Iranian Farmers from Iran
East European Hunter Gatherers of East europe.
Siberian Hunter Gatherers from South Russia and central Asia.
above these populations Iranian farmers were descendants of Anatolian Farmers and Proto-Indo-Iranian Group.
the Mixture of these Populations constitued the Yamnaya pastoralists whom u Call Aryans.
Rakhigarhi DNA was Composition of Only Two Populations.
Proto-Harrapans of North India(70-90% Ancestory was from them) and
Proto-Madraasi-Hunter gatherers of South and Central South india unique to India. (10-30% Ancestory from these)
Like Proto Iranic farmers Proto-Harrapans were Also Descendants of Proto-Indo-Iranian Population.
@t s Muthuraman Look its not just about the gene. The Aryan Migration people believe in two things first Aryans brought Sanskrit and Vedas to India and second they destroyed the native Indian population and started caste system. Second is conclusively proven false as no native civilization was destroyed and we already find traces of Sarasvati exactly at Harappan sites and Dwarka exactly where Mahabharat describes. Coming to first point that Sanskrit came from outside, now we are proving movement of Indians towards west which means they might have carried their language and culture there and we dont see great Sanskrit text existant in west whatever little they have of Pagan beliefs must have went there through India otherwise why they dont have full Vedas and Sanskrit preserved as it is? Even if the discoverd gene on that *one* body was not R doesnot means the culture of people was not Saraswati river based (Vedic culture) That means Tamilian/ Dravidian culture was inheritantly Vedic with or without R1 gene! We have already found horse, chariot Swastika and shivaling and yogic statues in Indus sites which tells you culture of Indus was Vedic or similar to Vedic anyhow. Which means it was always a mixed culture somehow similar to Karnataka of today Vedic as well as Dravida. Also the R1a1 and its ancient ancestors are found in India and the diversity is very high meaning the Vedic and the so called dark skinned were living together (like present Karnataka) for thousands of years before the timeline of Aryan Migration (1000 BC) And the Vedas talk of India of Saraswati, Ganga Sindhu not of Turkey or Russia.
@t s Muthuraman Nakt means night in Rigveda. Its a Sanskrit word which prooves Sanskrit went outside and becane Nakt to Noct. As a Sanskrit speaker can propnunce Nokt but latin cannot that means sanskrut word was borrowed.
@t s Muthuraman Aah you have no understanding of anything. Noct can be written and pronounced easily by anyone from Sanskrit background it is just N plus Matra of O. But latin tounge cannot pronunce N properly and modified it to No. Sanskrit starts with proper 'अ' which gets modified in Europe means European languages are modification of Sanskrit. And Sanskrit is primordial language of AUM. Sanskrit has no word for language the word Bhasha means speaking. Like Bharat is Sanskrit word but Tamil Tounge/ Bhasha makes it Tha as in Bhartha means the word travelled in its pure from to people of land of Tamil bhasha. Same is for Noct. Nakt travelled to Latin tongue and became Noct. Bhasha simply means way of speaking coming from Bhashan means speech. The pure word Nakt goes from Sanskrit to Europe not vice versa.
Aum.
@t s Muthuraman Ra is alphabet in Sanskrut. It has many words Raja, Rani, Rajya Rashi Rashmi Ratna Rajni, Ratri etc. You should learn Ashtadhyayi Grammar of Pannini. Sanskrit has many synonyms for most of its words. Also already shown you that pure sound is Nakta not Noct if pure sound was Noct we would be using Noct in Vedas.
Steppe is pronounced the same way as 'step'.
Cotton
Sound system is very poor
Ratri is not in European language so mature Sanskrit also evolved in India
Has the dolt at 1:01:47 ever heard of Hayagīva or aśwamedha yajña?
"Horses weren't represented till the mauryan empire"? 😂 What nonsense.
Spot on
Mr. Ranganathan should have let others speak.
If you could find a brick then that can't be ARYAN civilization.
Vedic people were forest dwellers, and they were not familiar with other types of lands (Kurinchi, mullai, marutham(farming skills), neythal(navigational skills) and palai).
People migrate because they were looking for better life. Snakes cannot build shelter of their own and they chase the ants and occupy the ant hills.
If the vedic civilization is Indic then how Varnashram spread throughout India.
Kashmir issue is being ignored why?
Vedic literature talks about cities king's,trading ships, city construction methods, wars and urban life styles.
For example:
1.Samudra is frequently mentioned in the Rig Veda
2.Treasures of the ocean are mentioned (RV 1-47-6; 7-6-7; 9-97-44)
3.Pearls and other gains of the trade are found in RV 1-48-3, 1-56-2; 4-55-6
4.Bhujyu was rescued by the Asvins from mid sea after a shipwreck RV 1-116-5. A ship with hundred oars (sataritra) is mentioned.
5.In the Rig Veda (1-56-2; 4-55-6), there are clear references to trading in distant lands for profit (RV 1-48-3)
6. RV 7.88.5 refers to thousand gates.
RV 2.41.5 & 5.62.6 refers to thousand pillared complex.
Your comments shows your ignorance about Vedic literature.
@@thusharasurajith4774 you left Ganesha had plastic surgery, Monkeys talked in Ramayana, Stem cell baby was Karna...show some thing with history and sloka number. Concluding statements without evidence amounts to mere pleading.
Neharu ji narak : mene jo public ko chutiya banaya ye toh Raaj khol rhe hai 😂
There are plenty of terracotta horses in IVC. What is he talking about.
If there is a possibility of both inward and outward migration, in my opinion, the speculation of an inward migration is more rational. I can be wrong, but it seems very unlikely to me that people would leave this large swath of fertile lands in india and migrate towards middle asian desert lands in a large number. The population was not that large anyway...so pressure from inside to leave is not the case.
It becomes more evident if you look carefully at the ancient and medieval india where indians only go out in a small number for trade and preaching religion. But indian kings or population were not that much interested to campaign outside of india for permanent control. Because that was niether necessary nor logistically reasonable.
Also in my country Bangladesh the leftist politics has nothing to do with AIT and we are not hindu majority also. So AIT is not taught that agressively. I have grown up learning that aryans were nomads who came for greener lands and got assimilated with the more advanced agriculture based indus valley civilization. I used to know that aryan invaders were just better warriors because of their nomadic lifestyle and that helped them to dominate politically. Its like how akkadian nomads took over the sumerian civilization.
Overall the arguements put forward in this debate didn’t convince me.
It is not correct to say there was no incentive to move out. After all Hinduism spread to South East Asia - Indonesia, Cambodia, Bali from India mainly in the Chola empire's times. Other reasons could have been trade, climatic conditions like drought or floods. Another possibility could be invasions (local or otherwise) - for example the spread of Roma people to Europe.
I would recommend the saraswati civilisation book by G.D. Bakshi for clearing your doubts. But let me try to answer them a bit.
The Indus valley civilisation is actually the Sarasvati valley civilisation. 60% of the sites found were around the river sarasvati and not indus. Moreover in scriptures, (rig veda majorly) Sarasvati is mentioned as the mother of all rivers because of its sheer volume. It's route has been plotted using satellite mapping(you can google its path). It originated from the Himalayas and along the north-west India flowed into the sea. In 1900bce, it completely dried out. That is the time of decline of harrapan civilisation. From then people started moving away from that area. Some went further to north west, some inwards india.
So yeah, it was fertile land but with few reasons(like change of course of yamuna from west to east due to shift in tectonic plates), it was not a liveable place. Therefore people moved out.
Also, many tribes fought among themselves during the vedic period. The devas won the battle with asuras and lived here whereas the asuras were thrown out of this area. So when you read zend avesta(the holy book of zoroastrians) you will find a lot of similarities with the rig veda. Both used to worship with the help of fire, it was sacred to both. Soma plant is mentioned in both books. But the roles of devas and asuras are reversed. In rigveda devas are good people but in zend avesta, devas are bad people. Battle of 21 kings and after that 10 kings is mentioned in rig veda. The people of iran, greece( natively called hellenic people)(also mentioned in rig veda as helena clan) originated here itself. But due to wars and fights the other Vedic tribes moved out.
The R1A1 gene now has been analyzed and the diversity in gene is much higher in Bharat os its the last nail in the coffin of your beloved AIT
BURNOL FOR MULNIVASI BRAHMIN VIDESHI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ranga uncle labeled his opening remarks as philosophical whereas what he spoke was just biological. He completely missed philosophical aspect. Quite shallow.
Abe it's a philosophical question or consideration based on scientific and archeological findings. Again, the question of 'if digging up the past is worth it' is philosophical. The findings are scientific and archeological. If you have low iq don't advertise it like this...
natty_the_great natty_the_great What's so philosophical about mentioning things like human beings are just a bunch of cells with limited lifespan having got more bacteria than human cells, and that we are all ethiopians migrating to and inhabiting other continents??
Yes it is based on scientific and archeological findings nobody is denying that but that's not philosophy, certainly not in indian context.
The question of whether digging up the past is worth it definitely has a philosophical dimension to it but what he explained is not philosophical.
And, congrats on your high iq.
@@zengiggle I am surprised you consider yourself an intelligent person and don't see the philosophical implications in those. If your just a bunch of cells with a limited life span, it brings into question the meaning of your life and your actions in life. In the grand scheme of things, just how important or unimportant are you?
Then the fact that we all ultimately have African ancestors is the same, we differentiate between ourselves based on so many things, caste, language, race etc but don't realize we are all on different branches of the same tree. It raises the question of why we differentiate like we do and should we and much much more.
I agree tho that his explanations were not really upto snuff. Maybe he didn't really prepare and was doing it ex-tempo?
He didn't delve too much into the philosophical aspects during the discussion. The discussion mostly focused on our Right wing pet peeves instead.
natty_the_great Something having philosophical implications and it being philosophical are two different things. They don't always have to be the same.
Questions you mentioned as the implications are definitely philosophical but they are only the resultants of scientific findings that he packaged as philosophical.
For eg, Quantum physics is not philosophy.
My limited point was that his explanation is not up to snuff. About that we are on the same page, though I'd add that his explanation is misrepresentation as well.
I don't want to unload rest of what you commented and drag it further.
Have a good day.
@@zengiggle Quantum Theory is a scientific theory and it espouses certain mathematical facts about how sub-molecular particles behave true. But there's plenty there for someone with a philosophical bent to also dissect.
Instead of me, a non-physicist, non-academician, trying to explain those, let me give you a resource that discusses those philosophical issues, plato.stanford.edu/entries/qt-issues/
You are being needlessly obstinate brother or sister. Everything in life has philosophical implications and scientific facts especially so.
And yes, let's not drag it further. You too have a good day.
THE MODERATOR HIMSELF AGREES THAT THERE WAS NO STEPPE ANCESTRY IN INDIA BEFORE 2500 BC . BUT THE LATEST STUDIES AS DESCRIBED BY MR. NIRAJ RAI SHOWS THAT IT IS AVAILABLE IN INDIA NOW . WHAT ELSE IS REQUIRED TO INFER THAT THE STEPPE GENE R1A1 CAME FROM OUTSIDE ? COMING TO THE FOUR TIMES VARIATIONS OF THE GENE IN INDIA THAN CENTRAL ASIA --- WHY CAN IT NOT BE DUE TO SEVERAL WAVES OF INVASIONS FROM VARIOUS DIRECTIONS FROM OUTSIDE THE SUBCONTINENT AND ENDING IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT ROUNDS OF INTER BREEDINGS ?
First of all the steps gene and R1 a are 2 different genes, second variations due to invasions and inbreeding mutations don't work like that, also genetic influx not always equals cultural exchange, so even if we take Aryan migration or invasion in account for it to change the culture of harrapans it has to large scale for which there is no genetic or archeological evidence it's infact not possible due to geographical factors also both Europeans and Chinese are genetically closer to indians and during volcanic erruptions only African and indian population survived and spread outwards which is a documented fact though its about million years ago, I suggest you completely go through the videos I have provided you might be able to understand because this is such a complex topic that involves examination of different fields of evidence can't go on here, also race is not a scientific concept just a matter of few mutations the level of scientific knowledge of Indian masses is really appalling we need proper education and not indoctrination.
ua-cam.com/video/RGyjvyXEKdc/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/1bsyi4zYHP0/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/CUgoCNtldcQ/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/n7VI19MAEqk/v-deo.html
I don't know why all my replies to you are getting deleated, but to summarise your basic assumptions are unscientific listen to these talks to understand the basics and then you can read the academic papers, primary evidence is provided.
NOBODY SAYS THAT STEEPE MIGRATED TO INDIA AFTER 1500 BCE.
MODERN INDIANS HAVE STEPPE ANCESTRY.
BUT THAT DOESNT PROVE THAT THEY BROUGHT SANSKRIT AND VEDIC LITERATURES TO INDIA.
RIGVEDA DESCRIBES THE MIGHTY RIVER SARASWATI IN DIFFERENT HYMNS.
ACCORDING TO HYDROLOGIC STUDIES SARSVATHI RIVER DECLINED THE FLOW BEFORE 5000 YEARS.. 1500 BCE UT ALMIST STOPOED ITS FLOW.
IF ARYANS CAME HERE IN 1500 BCE HOW CAN THEY DESCRIBE THE MIGHTY RIVER SARSWATHI?
Final leftist theory will be the 'Aryan chai pe charcha' theory - so Modi didn't really start it
Not convincing, need a debate with opposition scholar for convincing conclusions.
you have to understand that immigrants do not arrive like that between an entire country no What do you have to understand that they have to have ID cards with which they present themselves to the police to the doctor in court or to other and other things exactly like passport exactly so it must be a identity card for each person that you have to do you don't have to worry as immigrants will drop then
why didnt they have a single proponent of the AIT on the panel? i've watched a few of these so called 'panel discussions' now, and seems they are a bit scared to debate a real AIT advocate. AIT is a fact, it's totally got nothing to do with politics, and eventually everyone in India will have to face the fact and just get on with their lives...
People from the side of AIT aren't themselves willing to take any participation on these dabates as per my knowledge. As if they're convinced that the already set framework is absolute. They've been challenged by the opponents of AIT several times by the likes of Shrikant T, Raj Vedam etc but their way of dealing with these issues is basically play the silent game (atleast it seems like it). It'll be very fascinating to see a panel of both sides in a debate without any political or ideological based narrative but rather just as an academic topic. Let's hope for the best and the truth 🤞🏼
Wow. You people broke the lies of my Tamilnadu State Board School History Books. from 1967-2026 it was Dravidian Parties ruling State Government clearly set narratives of Aryan Invasion Theory - 4 varnas set by them reason for caste problems in Tamilnadu and they split our Tamil people (originated from so called Lemuria and developed Sangam)
Anti Brahmin Narratives - E V Ramasamy portrayal of freedom fighter and empowerment of women, and saviour of Tamil language, reservation and he saved Tamil land etc etc...
U V Saminatha Iyer a Brahmin went home to home in tamilnadu cities, rescued them from Boghi burning rituals and published many existing sangam tamil literature. He's lesser known and not celebrated as the Brahmin hatred clearly sowed among our tamil students right from school books due to AIT - Dravidian Narratives.
Actually our Tamil Culture was also old, there's evidences from Keezhadi - Adichanallur - Sivakalai - Paiyyampalli etc which dates to millennia BCEs. Hereafter I try to examine them by collecting news of scientifically validated evidences
டைம்ஸ் நவ் ல ஆனந்த் ரங்கநாதன் அவர் பேசியதை பார்த்துவிட்டு இதை அவங்களுக்காக பார்த்தேன். ஆனால் பங்குபெற்ற அனைவரும் எனது வரலாற்று கற்றலை மறு ஆய்வு செய்த தகவல்களை படிக்க தூண்டியுள்ளனர். நன்றி நிகழ்ச்சி ஏற்பாட்டாளர்களுக்கு
Thank you from Thekkalur, Tamil Nadu
Abhijeet chawda looks weird with chub and short hair tbh 😢😂
You guys are always straw manning the AIT here.. quite sad. The point is to steel man it before destroying it. AR keeps doing this
J
Not one speaker invited from the other side. Shame on you guys for your propaganda.
Really propaganda? Do you watch neeraj rai podcast he is a geneticist he did many research on AIT and you talk about other side that why they didn't come in this discussion because the don't want to discuss if the discuss they are going to be exposed for sure
These are nothing but damage control activities after the the Rakhigarhi DNA proved DRAVIDIAN . That activity was rendered some impartiality by the presence of mr narasimhan and harvard university .Etc. These observations seem to be utterly one sided . Here what ever these people say is according to their own wishful thinking . Poor geneticicst ! he has to dance to these peoples song .
Damage control. Lol...You couldn't just digest the truth. Kid your fake Dravidian propaganda Aryan Invension theory was debunked in this study now cry as much as you can.
Don’t cry on leftists
You are a physicist not Geneticist. Only geneticist is competent to answer genetics questions
Do you who is neeraj rai is ? He is geneticist go and do some search about him
Anand Rangnathan all rounder, history, science, politics, medicine, religion.
21:14 where Abhijit sir speaks
4:09
5:18😂
6:01 wow
7:10 lol Aryans came for Mysore park
12:52 Spot onn
13:32-20:30, 39:40-42:50 Death knell to AIT. Anand savage as usual.
23:02
25:52 Synergy bw IV and Sangha
31:30-39:36🔥 Meenakshi Jain
42:52-48:25 Rig Veda
48:34 Conclusion
50:15 R1A1
Not Mysore park but mysorepak a type of sweet and ofcourse tea.
R1A1 theory debunked 16:00 to 20:30
IE migration towards india 39:25 to 48:25
Summary of it (steep anvestory) 48:25 to 49:42
Friends we must go for this type of programs in Every corner of the universe and in INDIA, in all languages of Indian origin, govt, Deshpremi N G O, trusts, pvt companies, persons should come forward and arrange this type of programs and Donate JAI MAA BHARATI.
Ground Breaking Discovery.
Need to propagate into the Masses.
💐🌹🙏🌹💐
Awesome session. Kudos to anand ranganathan. I just hope that the HRD ministry builds on this to change the history text books.
Irfan has reduced himself to his original diminutive self recently, after the facts started pouring in. He abuses women on twitter, such is the real Irfan.
Truly a hypocritical pathetic fake 'scholar'? ..no specimen. With a closed mind.
Anand Ranganathan 💪💪
There’s no vacant land , we are Bharatvasi because the soil on which are walking is mixed with blood & flesh of our ancestors.
This video needs to be shared heavily. I have done it. Request all to do so.
One of the top discussions of the PLF second edition.
The word "Steppe" is pronounced as Step, not steppee. Awesome presentation!!
Hum to aise hee bolenge jo karna hai kar lo
@@Rahulsingh-tc7mw Thats why you can't speak English properly
@@pabslondon arre chichaa I don't care for english
If acording to the AIT sanskrit was part of caucasian ethos... why is it they cannot even pronounce any term in sanskrit the way it should be... their tongue is so inadaptive to any sanskrit pronunciation...
Imagine the amount of lies peddled.
Please bring Nilesh Nilkanth Oak, He depicts Vedic Scripts to be around 21000 years ago
I just accidentally stumbled into this and amazed by the panelists’ clear explanations. Thx and kudos 🙏 to all. Great job.
Yes there was movement of people from I.V.C to central asia and mesopotamia before 2000BC but the phrase 'out of India' is specifically about the idea that India was the homeland of Indo-European languages
Excellent.
AIT is now stands rubbished.
Request Dr Neeraj Rai to let's know the time when his research paper on R1a1 will be published? ?
Please bring shrikant talageri into these conferences
LEFTIST MEDIA, COMMUNISTS & PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT TO ACCEPT LATEST GROUND BREAKING RESEARCH BY INDIAN SCIENTISTS DISPROVING ARYANS INVASION TO INDIA, CHARIOT, HORSE, VEDAS, KNOWLEDGE ETC. R INDEGINOUS TO INDIA NOT IMPORTED FROM FOREIGN LAND R CORRUPTED BY FOREIGN DEVILS & HAVE INFERIORITY COMPLEX. IGNORE LEFTISTS, COMMUNISTS, TRAITORS.
So this I what eco-chamber sounds like.
Come out Rangu and have debates with your opposites and you will taste what your ancestors have experienced throughout the history.