Dan Vávra Talks About Mafia 2's Original Endings
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- Daniel Vávra, director, writer and designer for the original Mafia (2002), left the company when working on Mafia 2 (2010) due to creative differences. His script got rewritten and his original point got completely lost. Henry wasn't supposed to be a traitor, it was all Falcone's plan to break them apart, so he'd come out fine and had city for himself. There were multiple endings, depending on your previous actions.
I wish things were different compared to what we got in the end
I wish we could have a Mafia 2 remake, developed directly by Dan Vavra and Warhorse Studios.
Maybe they should do a Bloodstained and just create a new spiritual successor series.
I would love to play a Kingdom Comr style Mafia game wherein it's an RPG and every single quest can be completed in a zillion different ways. You can either choose to be an informant or be loyal. Or You can progress your way to becoming a mob boss and recruit members of your own. All within an immersive rpg-like setting like Kingdom Come but say in 1920s Chicago. I think it would be epic
Unfortunately buying back Mafia IP rights would be impossible, too expensive, but creating spiritual successor is definitely a great idea, let's hope one day Vavra with Warhorse make it real.
@@aks19880what a shit
Thank you for the subtitles!
Daniel Vavra says Henry wasn't a rat, that's enough to make my mind up
Bullshit
Lucky Luciano
wow it would be amazing to see a vavras version of mafia 2 i would love to see henry more involved in the game as well as the multiple endings would have been groundbreaking for the time
Oh man, i want to know what his Mafia 3 version would have looked like
Hangar 13 make Mafia 3 not him. He make Mafia 1 and 2
@@tonceek1600 He was also working on Mafia 3, but they didn't use his script in the end
@@coolllinchannel153 oh, sorry a didn't know that.
He actually tweeted (or said or something) a little about that some time ago. I belive it was just: Sixties, Cuba, JFK.
@@coolllinchannel153 They changed script 7 times. 7 GOD DAMN times
I liked mafia 2 ending. In the end of the first one tommy says "the guy who wants too much risks losing absolutely everything" And that was Vito and Joe. It leaves you in a strange place.
You're right.
1) Vito kills Falcone, Joe dies.
2) Joe dies, Vito retires and opens a pizzeria.
3) Joe kills Vito.
4) Joe and Vito team up and kill Galante with Vinci, eventually going to prison.
I’m happy he emphasised the Henry part.
I’ve always found that a really weird plot-twist, and a bad one as well. Suddenly Henry is an informant? Just never felt right. Even after the Chinese guy said that he was; I still wasn’t sure whether the game was “lying” or if it really was true. That’s how meaningless the plot twist felt...
Leo Galante knew he was a rat.
Plus: ‘’So how come your English is so good?’’ ~ Vito
@@Myepicapple why do many people think that henry is the killer?? Yes he didnt respond to the question but that was because they were coming was he supposed to say why his english was so good and then say there he is (fat guy) when he enters the building
@@mafiajoewasntpartofourdeal2192 that is your best argument?
Leo was whole heartedly invested in Omerta, meaning that he would never lie about a person being a rat. It’s as simple as that. As much as i like Henry, he was a rat..
@@mafiajoewasntpartofourdeal2192 Oh and the whole stamp situation was also his doing. He sent Vito away. They we’re the only people who knew about it.
@@Myepicapple henry was the one who gave vito the job for the gas station but how on earth would he know that vito would take the ones that have a experation date plus the country really didnt have much left henry mentioned that so if he was a rat why on earth would he let him steal national resources when they didnt have much it makes no sense
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To je debil...
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@@mivivy7596 je to tak
Always felt Mafia II's ending just... happened. It was so sudden and felt like the game was missing an important point.
The second and third mafia games would be 1000x better if they only listened to him. Whenever he writes a storyline for a game it's a damn masterpiece. The original mafia and KCD are a great proof of that. When I heard about all the things that have been removed from Mafia 2 my jaw dropped. I like then game, don't get me wrong but his version is just FAR better.
I like mafia 3 probably more than his version
Nah, not really
Agreed
How amazing Mafia 2 was back in the day, but now dev speaks up about what he planned to do with it and all of the sudden its shit that never supposed to see light of day. Funny to see how people change their opinions based on the others.
That's the thing. Mafia 2 was an amazing game. However following the original script, it would be even better...
@@JarinCOD Who says it would?
@@TheSultan1470 I do. And the creator Daniel Vavra.
@@JarinCOD ok whatever
@@TheSultan1470 350 hours on Mafia 2, I know stuff about it :D
Thanks for the subtitles, you got any more?
It was 6 hours stream, about inside info for Mafia 1, Mafia 2 and how he planned Mafia 3 before he left. And how they worked on KC:D + How he played those games.
If there is some brave soul, it will be long and hard task to translate all of this.
OH he does
Thank you for making this
Užitie si čítanie titulkov 😆 U.S.A Brothers
Aspoň jednou to je na opak
@@Barokar34 veru 😆
I hope Dan Vavra will be able to buy Mafia back in future.
Oh man thank you so much for translating, If you could translate most of the stream I will be inmensely grateful
They cut so much out of Mafia 2 that I could never enjoy the game. I see so many people say how they love Mafia 2, how it's the best Mafia game ever and so on. They have NO IDEA how ruined Mafia 2 was after Daniel Vávra left. We who followed the development expected something great, instead we got a butchered pig of a game with a rushed story, just so the evil publisher could earn a quick buck. The Mafia 2 we have today was far from Daniels vision and it's a bad game. I hope some day he will speak out what Mafia 2 should have really been.
i don't think its a "bad" game, but i do agree it's not as good as people say it is or claim it to be.
I enjoyed it in the end. It's that simple
@@talpatv512 Sure I enjoyed it while playing for the first time as well, but I could not shake the feeling of seeing a shell of a world that should have been so much more realised if Daniel Vávra could fulfill his vision for Mafia 2. I saw a beautiful game world that was only used to maybe 20% of it's potential. I saw all the cut content that leaked, and imagined how much story should have been told in that game.
After being a long term Mafia 1 fan, we fans expected a story on par, or that could even surpass what Mafia 1 had done. It could have been a superb game, the Mona Lisa of story in games, a game to remember for all time, it had the potential. But the publishers wanted the game out early, so they had to butcher their vision and what we got was a mediocre game.
I could never fully enjoy Mafia 2 as I wished I could.
He says in the stream that he wanted Mafia 2 to come out as soon as possible after the first game and then focus on the next-gen with Mafia 3. That was not to be.
It's still a good game. The engine, graphics, characters, city, music, story... It's one of the best games ever.
If Mafia II would have been done by script of Mr. Vavra and We would get all those features like complete story with multiple endings, side missions for Derreck, Charlie, Mike Bruski, Giuseppe, Harry and Bruno, functional metro and buses, cinema, theatre, pizza Scaletta, the option to buy houses from Richard Back and all other things I forgot to mention... maaan, people would pray to that... and it would become the holy grail in the game industry.
I hope... once... Dan will release the real gangster game made by his thoughts with different title... and We all will get what he always supposed to want to give us.
Thank you! It would be amazing to upload full stream with subs here on UA-cam.
The stream is 6 hours long
Měli by někdo přeložit celej stream.. Říkal tam věci co by měli vědět všichni
tak to udělej ne loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
@@lenox5018 💀
Could you also translate the reaction to the rewritten ending of Mafia DE? For me that was the best part of the stream, I had the same reaction as him when I finished it, I could not believe they rewritten it in such banal, stupid way (and not using Fate from original soundtrack is also criminal).
His reaction was that it very much diluted the message he tried to convey. And several such points - he felt it was a shame when somebody, who's supposed to work with the original and update it, misses the crucial points in a script and instead focuses on marginal stuff. A pity, that's what he felt - that there are people working with story lines who completely miss the focal points of the story that the author had in mind.
@@nimbydimby I actually know what he said, I watched the stream and speak czech, I was asking the creator if he could translate it and make the rest of the video for others :)
Spíš by mě zajímalo, jestli měl být příběh podle Dana Vávry taky odvyprávěn Vitem hráčům nad rodinným fotoalbem... což je jednak nelogický, páč přímo v tý hře nemá žádnýho posluchače (jako měl Tom v jedničce) a druhak ani nedává vůbec smysl, kde Vito to album najednou vzal??
I was first irritated how he talked about Sam in "Mafia II"....
Субтитры на русском.
и это тоже не было включено в "Мафию-2", потому что концовка была переписана, и точка эндшпиля была полностью потеряна, это не должно было закончиться так вообще, в моем сценарии Сэм не был предателем, он не предавал их, это был весь план Фальконе, он их подставил... Ты имеешь в виду... Ты имеешь в виду Генри, а не Сэма. Сэм играет в "Мафии-1"... Да, Генри, я запуталась. Итак, Генри не был предателем, все было подстроено Фальконе,так что они убьют друг друга, и он будет в порядке. В зависимости от ваших предыдущих поступков, у вас было несколько концовок: либо вы попали в тюрьму, либо вас убили, либо Джо убили и так далее. И... Я не понимаю переписанной концовки в финальной игре, это не имеет никакого смысла. Она просто не имеет никакого смысла вообще. У Генри не было причин предавать их. Это чушь собачья.
honestly if they didnt know what to do with the ending then they did right thing by ending it like how it did in the game
As cool as it would have been to see what the original plan would have been, I still think the one we got is great. It strikes such a unique and sorrowful chord and leaves you powerless to do anything about it, which I think fits the setting very well. In the world of organized crime there is so much that is completely out of your control.
Appreciate the sub. This puts a whole different perspective on Mafia 2 for me.
I like Mafia 2, it was great game, but I agree that ending was strange.
I KNEW IT! Mafia II's ending doesn't feel bad because they supposedly kill Joe. It feels bad because it doesn't end anything. There is no coherent plot nor theme during the game. It's all random episodes that doesn't advance in almost anything. It's a cut and pasted story.
I guess that’s why I had to watch it a few times before finally understanding why Vito had to kill Falcone.
@@JardaAndriessen vito vouched for a supposed informant. In the mafia, unless you got friends in high places, you die for this, Vito had leo galante, who got him a chance on killing falcone, who was pissed that vito led a rat to infiltrate his organisation and at the same time, one of Vinci's rivals would be wiped out.
their version seems cool but i dont want to see vito or joe die.glad they changed it
Its still good ending its the mafia its not supposed to be happy even if we want that and I like that Henry is a mystery some say he is a rat some say still he isn’t it’s very split but I wish we got more depth to his character like vito and Joe more backstory, remake is a chance the mafia 1 remake in my eyes was so fantastic stayed true to original and added some new things that didn’t affect the story
Mafia 1 remake stayed true to the original?! I guess you havent seen the video where Dan Vávra said that the Mafia 1 story buried the original story with cliches
This guy is A LEGEND.
I want a mafia 2 definitive edition!
there is but its almost same like original
Story of the whole game is utter nonsense. Makes zero sense. They didn't change just the ending. They gutted the whole story.
Make sense why I could not keep up with the story
can you do one of these translated videos for when he was discussing his opinions on the new Mafia remake?
@Sehr lecker Maulwurfkuchen lmao
"guess his ego couldn't stand that the remake is actually great" LOL. Dont take this guy's words seriously. He wasn't talking trash about the remake the whole time. In a short version: He made the original more realistic and with very little scripts and less enemies. So that it would feel like something that could really happen. He's angry that the good dialogues, message and the realism (Like being able to carry many guns, different ammo, etc etc) disappeared.
@Sehr lecker Maulwurfkuchen lol ani nevíš co v tom streamu bylo, tak odpal.
@Sehr lecker Maulwurfkuchen your post was not factual though, he praised lot of stuff about the remake as well, the entire visual design, voice acting, addition of lore and news articles etc....just because he criticized what he thought was bad or misunderstood by H13 doesn't mean his criticism was due to ego. I can empathize with him, imagine spending 5 years of your life making something and then someone else remakes it, does not even let you know about it, and misunderstands why you did what you did.
@Sehr lecker Maulwurfkuchen Hele, může a bude. A už jen za to co jsi tam napsal, jelikož to fakt nesedí s tím co v tom streamu zaznělo. DoubleLOL
"Sam wasn't a traitor. It was Falcone's plan."
Sam from Mafia 1?
EDIT: He corrected himself.
bruh just delete the comm wtf
@@adrianrichtarech2034 Nah.
I would love the idea of mafia 2 having multiple ending but at the same time I don’t like his idea of falcon setting them up that would’ve been way to generic if you ask me I like the idea that Henry was a rat you didn’t know that because he was working for the feds undercover so when you found that out it was a big deal in the story itself.
Na to jsem chtěl udělat stejný video :D
*AgrC*
Proč vůbec Vávra odešel při vývoji Mafie 2?
Někde kdysi říkal, že už měl vymyšlenou i Mafii 3, kterou mu zamítli. Tak odešel.
Dan vávra odešel z důvodu z tlaku od 2k czech
Tlak od vydavatele, kterej mu sahal do všeho, načem pracoval. Dělal mu změny v Mafii 2 a komplet odmítl 2 roky jeho práce na Mafii 3 na který se už dělalo během M2, než byl vývoj restartován a přesunut do Hangaru.
děkuju za vysvětlení
@P Tak M3 i M1 remake jsem pouze viděl na YT (muj strej PC to nedá a nemám zrovna chuť si kupovat nový)
Ale I M3 jak ji vydali podle mě měla spoustu věcí dobře a měla velkej potenciál. Bohužel Spoustu věcí naprosto katastrofálně a stáhli ji dolů.
Bohužel remake M1 jak jsem ho viděl je podobný, i když mnohem lepší případ.
Bohužel věci, co by byly dobré aktualizovat nechali po staru a to co bylo vynikající předělali.
Takže pro mě M1 remake i M3 - schizofrenie a zmařený potenciál.
Škoda, že Dan Vávra se do tohohle žánru nechce vrátit. Myslím, že by si s nima slušně vytřel.... kdyby chtěl :)
Just say thanks to Agraleus:)))
I never liked mafia 2. The remake of Mafia 1 is such an insult to his work that he should sue hangar 13
He does not own the rights to the mafia so a lawsuit would be useless
He should be proud thst someone is remaking it, it’s an honor. What the f are you takking about
@@MrSmith17 And the remake's ending is more "sweet" than the original because Tommy was expecting being executed and he made it to protect his family. In my opinion it's interesting that the remake has included some story changes, that doesn't make the original's worse or worthless because people can still enjoy the original game. Anyway I hope Vavra makes more games.
@@MrSmith17 It's not an honor, Hangar 13 just needs to fix their bad reputation amongst Mafia fans. So remaking the first game is an obvious choice for them because it's no risk, it worked years ago, why it shouldn't work now, right? Much safer than making a completely new game, you see?
I played the original Mafia on Xbox, and just wish that version was backwards compatible. I'm not interested in the definitive edition.
Připadám si tady jako jediný čech
no to je ale pech ;)
Hej no a ja ako jediny slovak
Ne
Yeah I always thought the ending in Mafia 2 was nonsensical unsatiisfying garbage.
The story is already ruined by Mafia 3 :(
Really now?
agrE /
Kterej Pleb umí anglicky ..OMG
to říkám Česko je best
yoink moje nyní TriHard
Agraelus talking with Daniel Vávra i see that stream on twich.
You mean Dan Vávra
@@sa1tam411 in Czech Adam vavra
His name is Daniel Vávra. PepeLaugh
@@engineer6918 What? His name is Daniel Vávra.
@@mallred37 sorry
To je co amíci konečně čtete vy a my Češi posloucháme. MAFIE 1 A 2 JSOU NEJ MAFIA 3 JE SRAČKA!
agrS
We Are czech Its our game czech
Wow
PogO
To je tak ubohý tohle.
Tvoje nie je nič, len sa priživuješ.Hanba ti.
to že ta hra je z čech nedělá z ní klenot :D
Well obviously Dan Vávra didn’t pay much attention to the unfolding og the last arcs.
Henry wasn’t a traitor in the traditionel sense, he was an undercover policeman from the start.
All this was foreshadowed in the fat bastard mission.
Vito asking him about his English was a clear reference to the fact that his story was BS(for the player, I don’t think Vito suspected it.)
In the Czech version vito says "so that's why your English is so good" and it's possible to learn english quickly
Dank Dank No no. Henry was 20 years old when he was sent to America. If he was in fact from Sicily, he would speak with an accent. During this age, and based on his social group, he would defintley speak more Italian than you’d expect. He is only 34 when we meet him in 1945, meaning he spent 14 years in the US. A Long time sure, but not long enough to shake off your upbringing and cultural heritage.
Ergo, Henry was a rat, born in America.
Dank Dank plus, a satorialist would also note that Henry exclusively wears OCBD shirts. Something that was only available on the American market, and quite frowned upon in Europe.
Another example of Henry being way to americanized for someone that should have spent 20 years in Sicily.
Henry was not policeman, where did you hear such bullshit? that was in no version of the game
@@17MrLeon What? Why would Leo and the Chinese gut him like that then? He wasn’t a ‘policeman’ but rather a rat or an undercover agent. I have provided stable evidence in the comments.
However, if you wholeheartedly disagree, that’s fine by me. I just choose to trust what Leo put out there.
I liked Henry, he was a cool character, but it is also his arc that produces Vito’s. If he hadn’t vouched for a rat, the Mafia timeline would be different.
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Agr
tu češtinu si tam mohl nechat
LoL Agrael