Can Indonesia’s Ageing Navy Defend Its Territorial Waters? | Insight | Submarine Nanggala 402
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2021
- In April 2021, Indonesia’s navy submarine, KRI Nanggala 402, plunged into the sea of Bali during a routine training exercise, killing all 53 crew on board. The 40-year-old vessel was found from the depth of more than 800 metres, split into three parts. The tragedy is the Indonesian Navy’s worst peacetime loss, and one of history’s deadliest submarine disasters.
The loss of the submarine has put into question President Joko Widodo’s vision to turn Indonesia into a global maritime power. It’s also facing challenges on multiple fronts, including illegal fishing activities, transnational crimes and terrorism. It also has to face up to an increasingly assertive China which has expanded its reach in the South China Sea including Indonesia’s Natuna islands.
Can Indonesia realise its vision of becoming a global maritime power with its ageing naval fleet?
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I loved the way the presenter choose the word “neglect” for our armed forces especially navy and air force...👍👍
Indonesia:
-Buys/Building 8 Bergamini ASW Frigates
-Building 2 Improved Iver Huitfeldts
-Possibly buy/build 6-8 Mogamis
-Possible sales of Type 214s or Scorpenes
-Likely (in my opinion) buy/build of Ada ASW Corvettes from Turkey
-Possible sale of Dassault Rafales, F-15EX, and F-16V
-Incoming Blackhawks, Chinooks, and Apaches
-RK-360MC Neptunes
-AESA
-New MPAs and MRTTs
-More BMPs for Marines plus SPAAG
-Dardo IFV or Centauro from Italy
-More NASAMS 2
-Possible SAMP/T
-New Cruise Missile
-Possible ASTROS II with AV-TM 300 (Bought the MK6 variant for a reason)
-More Leopard 2s
-Midget Submarines (?)
Singapore in 5-10 years: We MuSt AdDrEsS iNdOnEsIaN aGgReSsIoN lIkE bAcK uNdEr SuKaRnO
Indonesian navy back in 60-70 is quite strong. Now it's just a footnote
@@stefanusbayu1426 They’re making plans to try and restore it to be stronger than its golden era. It’s good that the military under Prabowo is focusing on the Air Force and Navy.
@@gregorylumban-gaol3889 with the current build up of TNI-AL which were spearheaded by the acquisition of FREMM frigates, no doubt that they will surpass their golden age during the early Cold War.
@@gregorylumban-gaol3889 possibly...is the word
If your navy is only capable of stopping illegal fishing vessels, you are not ready. You would want your navy’s combat readiness to be equal to or greater than those who poses a threat to your waters.
This is where the problem lies, NAVY job is not to monitor illegal fishing etc.. that for Coast Guard and other agency.
Those Admirals, Rather than trying to keep hold power reluctance to pass baton to other agencies is part of the problem.
U agree?.
@@kentershackle1329 actually illegal fishing, and other criminal conducts on the seas aren't mutually exclusive to a specific agency. If anything coordination between Navy, Coast Guard, Immigration, etc. is better and a key. Agencies especially militaries can have different roles you know, and not just specific to one, this is something common all over the world.
well, equal is a bit too much considering how indonesia along SG and malaysia are located in what would be considered bottleneck in case of war ever happens.
Indonesia's military because realizing that its weaponry is not well modernized, it still likes to focus more in law enforcement rather than to focus in defence.. thats the problem
If you have a country that spans from London to Dubai, you can have a Navy the size of the Royal Navy and it will still be way too small. Shouldn't we rather appreciate their efforts in fast tracking their Navy equipment acquisition? Especially with their recent frigate acquisition from both Italy and the UK?
Indonesia's problems to tackle the issue of maritime vision: corruption, lack of political will, complex and rigid bureaucracy, and inward-looking approach
We also can't buy the parts to fix the broken machinery or even buy new technology from other countries.
I think Indonesia, need to learn how to make our own equipment, shame we lack people with the skills.
@@antoniusevan3722 Indonesia is like magic. We can build these items inside our country whenever we want. Think again objectively out of not knowing. Just wait for the parliament approval. Thus, i agree with you. Tha challenge for global maritime power of our country is political Will inside
@@antoniusevan3722 we actually can buy them...but do the purchase brings enough “envelope” from manufacturer to the officials?
@@florendraarif7125 well not to mention we still lack of knowledge to built sophisticated weapon system. We need technology transfer on high capability radar, missile seeker and propelant composition..
@@blitzz4741 you re right. That was very crucial. For now, it only less than 1% of Indonesian GDP for defense budget. But when threat is comming, i believe it Will be like 1960 when we prepare to invade the Dutch and risk of WW III. If the risk is rising rapidly, Indonesian MEF is based on Indonesia 1960's capability for invading another country, thus being prepared in very short time. War against British short after that in Borneo island
Imagine if indonesia's armed forces is all modernly and well equipped, it will be one of the strongest military in the world.. the soldiers of TNI can be said most toughest but weaponry is an issue here to be modernised
Same as the phil actually.
@@tsarbombawithinternetconne875 Philippines cant even do sh*T xD
@@Ishikawa745 technically the truth lol
and i imagined that pigs can fly too
The Almighty is good for HE did not grant Indonesia knowledge in military combat know how or else Indonesia will terrorize the South East Asia region. Remember Indonesia intend to fight Malaysia to become indoraya. Best all countries do not share know how to Indonesia. Especially China, the Minorities Chinese suffered enough much and many died and woman being raped..
Having lived in Indonesia, it seems there is a mental lack of forward planning or urgency. most people seem more interested in gathering money rather than intellectual forward planning to ensure a prosperous future.
As a maritime country with so many islands, Indonesia needs to have a strong navy to defend herself effectively.
Indonesia will become a superpower in South East Asia in the future, but becoming a superpower entails having a strong military (hard power) to accommodate the growth in soft power. South East Asia is relying on Indonesia to stand up against a particular country that is claiming the entire South China Sea for herself.
Indonesian army are struggling and facing a lot of problem: weak political will, bureaucracy, corruption in every sector, no standarization of military equipment, and many more
Actually there are standardization of equipments and more already planned.
@@EvoSwatch yeah but Indonesia has overwhelmingly national debt of 8500 trillion rupiah and have to take more loans just to pay the interest
Modernization is the most important issue
And their military need to more efficient.
Couldn't agree more. They should print more money and hire more mercenaries.
Thanks CNA for reminding Indonesia not to neglect it's Navy Force
This is cina news, they show this news for showing to the world that indonesian weak to manage their territory than cina can claim natuna sea.. do not said thanks..
Not only corruption seems still to be live, I think money is wasted in most areas, there is no need for so such complicated administration systems and staff , today all can be done using a modernized system and computer networks with 25% capacity of staff, the money that could be saved could be invested into military and a social system to build the economy.
I agree with you
but reducing the staff is unpopular and political suicide because alot of people will be out of jobs
The reason is becausr the government wanna to focus on economic and infrstructure development first, militart are really just complementary in this admonistration
@@briantarigan7685 to be fair i think thats the best approach. Not only is "war" near to impossible the economic state currently in indonesia is somewhat "bad". But a routine maintanance of heavy machinery in the military would be great, basically upgrading or at least safe proof.
@@last5902 it is, i would disagree with your statement of Indonesian economy, we are member of G20 with fast growing economy, at least we are not stagnant and become narco states with high criminal and homicide rate like those in south americas or southa africa, or as poor as south american countries
The tragedy of Nanggala 402 are not only loss of Indonesia Navy, but also the friendly Philippine Navy because both countries are strong partnership of maritime safety in the Celebes Sea since the peaceful agreement in 2014 and patrolling against piracy
1 year since the tragedy, Indonesia and the Philippines are continue of its modernization of the military and remain friendly between two navies
banyak anak2 bangsa yg siap membela tanah air tapi mati sia2 gara2 barang rongsok.
Udah Iklas aja.. Indonesia Negara Non aligned (Netral) dripada habisin uang untuk military lebih baik bangun infrastructure dari aceh sampai papua seperti yg sudah di wujudkan.
Persiapan kita akan jadi top 5 ekonomi tahun 2045. Setelah kita kaya baru kita perkuat military 100%
@@keavzmoezx344 Diplomasi ekonomi tidak bisa dilakukan tanpa ditopang kekuatan militer yg memadai.
Indonesia adalah negeri besar dng SDA yang berlimpah. Dan SDA itu PASTI diambil atau dirampas asing jika Indonesia tidak punya kekuatan hankam yang cukup.
@@samahmadoke8704 ga usah obsesi.. mengalir aja dengan bagettt.. indonesia founder of non aligned countries.. slow aja biar indonesia jadi ladang investasi
Uang kita banyak sebenarnya. Apa perlu koruptor di tembak mati oleh BIN melalui operasi senyap ? Dinas intelijen kita mampu untuk melakukan itu (sangat berpengalaman). Uang kita banyak bro .. korupsi sama agenda politik 5 tahunan yg jadi penyakit roadmap pertahanan
@@keavzmoezx344 perang dah ada dimana2 boss, logika lo tu ibarat orang mau jadi kaya tapi gak kembangin sekurity gak ada bodyguard habis disikat maling ma penjahat!
China didn't back off from Phillipines water.. But they did after Facing the Indonesian on north natuna island.. So CNA.. That speaks volume.. QUAD will get regional superpower (Indonesia) if the CCP push things too far..
the closing statement from the Indonesian ambassador in german is true, Indonesia people Will defand their own country as best as we can...
Why Indonesia having difficulty to build their Navy????
Simple, because Indonesia maybe the largest archipelago country, but we are not the biggest economy!!! our's economy is so tiny compare to China's.
Bullshit.Its about how the gov manage the funds.
Our Economy is currently the strongest in the whole ASEAN, and it still growing faster and faster, it's just that the current government focuses more on infrastructure and doesn't pay much attention to defense, Indonesia's defense spending is even only 1% of total GDP.
@@Jaggy_jaggerz ...agreed..
Despite Indonesia having an "ageing Navy" they are probably the strongest navy if not the strongest overall force among the ASEAN member states.
I think so too. In terms of pure ranking of armed forces indonesia ranks 16 around the world and if im not mistaken its also the strongest amongst the SEA countries. Tho if there were to be a war other nations would be involved like the us. They would more likely be taking singapore side but china could aldo come into play. But if its only in terms of pure power yes indonesia could beat any sea asian countries and a lot of others too.
The strongest navy? Singapore would like to have a word with you.😬
@@last5902 You're very gullible if you really believe we actually ranked 16, There's absolutely no way Israel and Australia is ranked lower than us. GFP only counts quantity over quality, using that logic, A county with 10000 M3 stuarts would rank higher than a country with 1000 T90A's.
@@prinzya.4538 yeah we def rank 16. We have more people and in terms of equipment we have a decent amount mix of old and new. So yes if we were to fight Singapore we would crush them if a third party isnt involve. Everything comes down to how many soldier do you have in the end. And seeing how small singapore we would easily win.
@@last5902 We wouldn't be able to "crush" Singapore if we can't even cross the straight would we. Their airforce and attack subs would easily overwhelmed the navy, not to mention 2 of our most modern frigates still doesn't have missiles.
Indonesia have underestimate the foreign threat, just because we neutral and have a good relationship with many countries doesn't guarantee our sovereignty
indeed
indonesia is too overproud to their Global Firepower Ranking, they indeed win by quantities of its Manpower, but they have no sufficient Technologies in case of Naval and Air Defence, also note, Indonesia is a big country, comparing to its Naval power. Indonesia has small number of Warships comparing to smaller countries like Japan or Korea
Our economy Is currently the biggest in the whole ASEAN and its always grows faster and faster, it's just that the current government focuses more on infrastructure and doesn't pay much attention to defense, Indonesia's defense spending is even only 1% of total GDP.
more like 0,8%
@@jannofal Yeah at least for now it is correct to prioritized more on domestic economy. China also focused on domestic economy first before investing in military. If you dont have money you can’t have good military.
The ''''wake up call'''' was already given in Russia's accident, is it that difficult
for a ship to shadow the sub? or a massive dye pack to explode on surface in
order to pinpoint the ailing vessel? can't imagine the terror of those men, and the
hurt of the family
Indonesia's military strength is not all published, Indonesia also has a very great war experience, because Indonesia was colonized for 350 years, so don't mess with Indonesia, in state affairs, all Indonesian military and people are ready to die in order to maintain their sovereignty, more better to go home than having to give up on the battlefield! ️🇲🇨♥️
I know Philippines procured its largest landing dock from Indonesian but the planes what is that?
Why Indonesian official always sugarcoating their country capability to build maritime assets? Yes we can build ship etc but it came from foreign contractors and it is under ToT scheme. But it doesn't mean we have a full capability. We just assembling it. E,g. REM class frigate
The last REM class has most of it's components built in Indonesia, if you're talking about armaments and sensors than I can argue back and say that most navies in the world also import these key systems from only a handful of suppliers namely Thales and MBDA.
I guess it's justified since Indonesia had license production to built Makassar class LPD 10 years ago, she then since have exported a variant of it to the Philippines and made another variant as a Hospital aid ship for the navy. This at least show that Indonesia can learn, master and innovate in shipbuilding technology but it WILL TAKE TIME.
Chill man Indonesian RnD just waking up just wait another 10yrs
Imagine if WE ARE READY! Well said Ambassador :)
No other ASEAN nations are even close to rival the ability and experience of our NAVY and Armed forces.
The main task now it to MAKE IT BATTLE READY on the Global Stage by modernizing.
Our political environment is nowhere near heroism, people were still neglecting patriotism and polls for the money politician instead. The core being the education went far from the knowledge every citizen's need, we are being fooled so that we can be easily manipulated into polls > corrupted politician won > APBN being party cake > good bye military and prosperity
That's not the Narrative CNA wants you to highlight. They only care about smearing their SEA neighbors to make Singapore stand out.
31:10 the finance was certainly a problem initially but the much bigger elephant in the room imo is CAATSA. Because many contracts with Russia so far has stalled if not rerouted to others like Belarus, Ukraine, etc.
Ikr, i can't believe he missed that
CNA is Singapore government's propaganda right arm. Of course it's no accident they missed something like CAATSA out, other than intentionally missing it to make their own narrative.
You won't think Indonesia will started an arms race in South East Asia if they enlarge their military power again right? right?
I dont think so... Indonesia's priority isnt showing whos muscle is bigger now... Its pandemic and economic rebuild...
Those arms build up (just like other asean army) is to address the possible invasion from the north
We can't blame Indonesia for starting an arms race in South East Asia, blame greedy China.
Only if Indonesia threatens the territorial integrity of its neighbors, which it isn't anymore. If anything they're too focused on just holding itself together.
now you talking
The reason is becausr the government wanna to focus on economic and infrstructure development first, militart are really just complementary in this admonistration, besides, the military are pretty clean, not all problem root in corruption
Indonesia biggest problems is in the government itself and there is some groups inside government will tackle and crashing any movement from now and future president with another issue also some hidden agenda on cabinet, house of people, etc for example is like to de-throne president with all cost or power and some extremist.
Basically in Indonesia every Y-O-Y split into 3 or 4 groups of power in government body which make now and maybe future President will difficult to make any big movement and corruption still making a root here.
Kill 1 corruption = 10 corruptor will born ... something like that.
Indonesia need to implement death sentence for corruptor.
We have own-state submarine and ship build company, but the problem no monetary to buy those in military division, but now were replace old vehicle gradualy
Thank you CNA! Good Job!
MAINTENANCE BUDGET IS NEGLECTED BECAUSE THERE IS NO KICK BACK ON THIS THING. THE SUBMARINE SHOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE SECOND OVER HAUL IN PT PAL INDONESIA AFTER THE LAST ONE IN 2012 IN KOREA. THEIR FOCUS IS ON ACQUISITION SINCE IT HAS KICK BACK COMPONENTS, PARTICULARLY IT IF IS ORIGINATED FROM FOREIGN COMPANIES.
Dude KRI 501 just got out of the drydock in PT PAL last week, their MID LIFE overhaul was delayed because of Covid 19, Kri Nanggala 502 was suppose to go into overhaul right after 501 was done but unfortunately this incident happened before 501 was done, all was ready for 502 to be overhauled, please make educated statements.
@@happyface96 LOL that KRI Nanggala 502 should get maintenance as their maintenance period has been exceeded. Many Armed Force equipment dont get enough maintenance like CN 235 planes that are grounded. You are the one who dont know the real issue dude. We understand people in the top is eager to buy something from foreign company ( because kick back is waiting them ), while maintenance become second option despite it can grow local defense industry since no kick back can be taken from state owned companies like PAL, PTDI, PINDAD, and others. It is Finance Minister and Planning Minister that prioritize that maintenance budget as they kick many foreign acquisition program made by Prabowo in order to get the budget for maintenance
After Nanggala incident the administration already put on order 8 FREMM frigates from Fincantieri to augmented the previous order for 2 Ivers Frigates from Odense.
Once these materialized, TNI will be one of the strongest navy in southern hemisphere once again
kenyataan malah jauh lebih miris.
bukan hanya umur nya yg tua.
tapi 20 taon belum di rawat.
INDONESIA RAYA
WE SURE INDONESIA CAN MAKE IT...!!!!...INDONESIA IS THE TIGER OF ASIAAAAAAAA!!!!...
Funny, stronger military for Indonesia has always been threatening for its neighbors both to the north and especially the south. Investing in military is also criticized by the so called human rights activists. Now they are more pacifist and focusing more on domestic economy, they are also criticized.
You can never please critics.
It was a extremely sad & unfortunate incident for Indonesia. This is also a lesson for rest of the world that navel or armed force men/women's life matter. They may have promised the nation to give their life's for the country. Governments also have the responsibility to take care of their needs. apology is never enough for negligence.
Hope this is trending in Indonesia
Please share this video :-)
already trending
@@pramana47 - thanks very much. I am the producer of this episode
Ini media Singapura kah?
who said indonesian major weapon, made from china? as I know Indonesian weapon from first US and second russia.
For big country its embarassing. To counter china in ocean we are helpless.
OPTION 2, repeal the law!
Well its 2022 now so any signs Indonesia is reaching its maritime targets?
To maintain a strong and up to date navy fleet need lots of 💰💰💰. With corruption soo rampant and weak rupiah. I don't see that going to change anytime soon
No other SEA country prosecutes corruptors more than Indonesia, from OTT to quick prosecution, these should be signs that out of all the countries in SEA that has the brightest hope for eradicating corruption it's Indonesia. Why? Simply because no other SEAcountries take corruption more seriously than Indonesia. In Malaysia Najib is still holding ministerial post even with corruption charges in court same goes to cronies in his party, Thailand's Junta rules supremely and don't get me started with the Philippines.
Keep saying “ageing” that sank the boat. Is post mortem report yet on the cause? Could it be. Torpedo exploded?
naval procurement is steadily fulfilled
why the rush tho
45:27, i love this statement really showing the mentality of Indonesia, we might be not equipped with the best tools but we do our best to push our limit to achieve extraordinary result the mentality that rooted deep on the country history, Imagine 4 centuries fighting colonials with Bamboo...
Nonsense, we fought colonialists with warships, cannons, guns and steel.
@@AyedUA-cam really... how Indoneeesia have warship fighting Dutch ?? ...did dutch give Indonesia free warship lol
@@joMan1060 did you think the dutch only came to indonesia in the 20th century?
@@joMan1060 do you suppose aceh sieged malacca for many times using borrowed dutch ships? Or perhaps somehow scared the portuguese using bamboo sticks?
There still muppets who believe the stupid bamboo doctrine
Me, a Filipino: What's a navy?
You're an Idiot go train in the navy if you want to know don't be sarcastic as if we don't have even a single ship on sea😑 We can say that the modernization program set up by the previous administration and still being pursue until today is making our country more capable!! If only the past presidents didn't neglect their duty as a commander in chief and provide funds for modernization we might not end up as a bullied country that can't stand on its own.
@@stapitgetsamhelp7248 well modernization program is still ongoing . it just started and to be done on 2028. plus we are just persuing a credible defence. in 7 years a lot could still happen. who knows maybe in the future well be aqcuiring more ships or assets
Southeast Asia will become a major force to be rekon with in Asia
The Law that requires Indonesia to be a part of the build prosses could permit Indonesia to "Finnish", and Maiden Voyage the vessels, and similarly with all other projects. E.G. Indonesia buys air frames from America, they could be delivered with no paint job or seats. Indonesia provides and fits the ejection seats and the paint job of choice!
Yes, but different weapon systems require different percentages of local contribution, while state of the art fighter jets requires minimal local contribution for understandable reasons, some more basic weapon system requires higher local content as well as higher percentage of TOT to local contractors with the goal of down streaming and building a local defense manufacturing ecosystem for self reliance.
In the end, the deeper the ties you have a with a foreign defense contractor the more you can negotiate for higher localization, such is the case of Indonesia with DSME. With American Fighter Jets Indonesia can never do this since much of the TOT agreement needs approval from congress, and congress will never allow certain technologies to be shared to non-Western Muslim countries like Indo.
Ridzwan Rahmad is disingenuous here not mentioning the elephant in the room regarding su-35 contract, USA bullying/meddling through CAATSA. Also he seems to be blaming the law on building at home policy, it seems his background as defense broker is showing.
Especially not highlighting another contract of Iver with OMT/Babcock, as well as not highlighting the previous failed contract with Damen, where that particular defense company is reluctant in sharing production share. While also building flawed ship in the supposedly ‘more capable’ Netherlands but eventually needing repairs. The problems in that contract, is probably part of the reason why its behind schedule.
Long answer: this video
Short answer: no
To be soldiers in that country you have to be rich and prepare some money in advanced on the first hand. So how the soldiers could fight with the aggressors then. This apply to the first rank to high level rank.
😭
Tampak nya di bidang AI dan info system makin ketinggalan ....gak heran usa sering di hack system computer nya
Indonesia has already capable to built its own modern submarine. Yet the navy forgot to decommissioned the 2 older sub, Nanggala 402 and Cakra 401 earlier. The president, defense minister, and the navy itself need to realize that they still have many old vessel. They should modernize the vessel and decommissioned the older one.
I heard that they planned those 2 old submarines (including Nanggala) to be the training subs for the new incoming subs
Forgot? Do you actually believe the navy simply “forgot” to decommission old vessels?
Chill CNA, Indonesia is Still Stronger than the Philippines.
yeah I agree
But indonesia still have many problem on its military. (Sorry for my bad english)
@@sofihamdanulhuda4149 can you educate me? I want to know from your standpoint. But still Indonesia still stronger than the Phils., Our govt doesnt act according to urgency of the situation.
@@mr.g2360 some source tells me that many of the indonesian army equipment price has been marked up by some people and some general, corruption. Indonesian army are too complex and divided into so many branches and also there's no standarization on the equipment, ex: (different army branches has different type of assault rifle from many countries) which is not cost efficient.
@@sofihamdanulhuda4149 oh thats bad, corruption really destroy everything we do have some issues about that also but its minimal since our buying arent that much haha. meanwhile in our country, our govt. are doing fine in our modernization but still I'm not satisfied on how they procure things. they don't act according to what is needed that's why we are always up for "stop gap" procurement especially in our navy. i have no problem with our army since we have a good deals in arms deal but still lacks power on external forces.
hope we can buy Ships from indonesia's PT pal. have a nice day brother
look a indonesian coast guard aka bakamla..... if they good so does navy.... if don't so does navy
Bakamla is very new (2014), they cannot reflect the whole navy which existed since the 1950s
The United State produce top quality military equipment. We should sell military equipment to the democratic Indonesia so that they can defend themselves against CCP aggression.
Won't work like that. Indonesia hate US equipment cause it means we really dependent to the US. Hence the majority of the recent acquisition of Subs, Ships and Planes come from Europe or Japan/Korea
@@stefanusbayu1426 Sorry to hear about that on Indonesia.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend should hold true today?
@@maincoon6602 yep, but currently the MoD is a bit open to US hardware but i think they still don't want to "all in" with buying US hardware. Other than that i heard it's hard to buy from US cause you need to go to congress? Last procurement from US that's still a mistery is the Javelin Anti Tank one. There is no proff of it in Indonesian hand but the simulator etc is here. If US give us hardware we might still accept tho.
@@stefanusbayu1426 We should be friends because:
The enemy of my enemy is my friend hold very true today.
That is the problem, US only making and selling military equipment to the world. That is the same reason why US always want to have war or battle between countries........for profit.
The air force is fine though......
Actually Can, if the government not sucks
Correction, China Is only supplier. Not Major.
Not even surpasses Russia.
Iya sok tau itu jancok yg pake baju biru
@@bayuwahyuadi3999 namanya juga "Pengamat", sama yg seru juga tuh FMP vs AH 🤣
salam takziah
If our neighbor suck our "oily" blood for their life. Imagine if we stop that "oily" Bleed.
Then let's note the best sentence of this video.
"Imagine if we are ready"
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Waoooo watching from Nagaland kuknalim
Indonesia vs China + Singapore
Almost all of Indonesian military generals are billionaires.
that's not quite right, if you know what I mean :p
The reason is becausr the government wanna to focus on economic and infrstructure development first, militart are really just complementary in this admonistration, besides, the military are pretty clean, not all problem root in corruption, beside, being billionare in Indonesia is not hard LOL,
@@briantarigan7685 well you haven't seen the dark side of the military yet. The top ranking officer owns ridiculous strategic assets and easily appointed as commissioner on private sector. That is something that can't be achieved with "honest" work, or they married into rich family. This kind of culture might be gone in 10-30 years because lot of young officers already sick by their ”seniors" doings.
Im not talking about IDR 1-2 billion here but tens and hundreds of billions. Any mid class citizen can easily get
usd billionaires or rupiah billionaires?
@@lyhthegreat usd
China terancam punah
kayane dopodo pinter bosho ingelis,,tapi ishine onho bochorke aibhe dhewe (jnkel hyo jengkel ojo dipolpol kelah komene,..:filter2)..jhan pekhok...ketok do jhengekel karo negorone dewe iso dhiwoco "sahate mhemhemecah belh tethanggo khi..shing rodo reti rahashia nneghara ojo dibcorkhe yhak..
Iya napa
There will be never enough fund to fulfill the needs. Need to be tactical and economical . who will threaten your teritory? neigbour? or superpower. you will never match a superpower, so forget it. if super power like US, China, Russia want to take island, literally there is nothing you can do to oppose. Diplomacy and foster relationship with superpower is the best way. Neighbour? this is more make sense, match to peer or slighly above them. If you strongly outmatch them, they will be insecure and will trigger racing that both side can't afford. For most case, the patrol boat is needed in mass to keep out pirate and smuggler..
ITS time to realize our goal by raising our military budget as sustainable development aproach (comercial purpose by selling gun, instead of buying). As threat rising, so conflict must be count as full perepare. We are ready when ever its time to war. But plan is needed
can it defend against COVID-19 tho?
Don’t worry about that. Anonymous country already working on covid-20
Political will.Government prefer wasting the money on some useless project so they can fill their own pocket
Such as Hambalang project.
Jangan salah indonesia sudah mampu membuat kapal perangnya sendiri, misil dan rudal, ya sebagian alat ada dari china tapi itu sedikit hanya utk pelengkap. Banyak senjata yg indonesia produksi sendiri bukan beli dari luar. Ada pengamat luar yg salah atas pengetahuannya dari pernyataan di sekmen ahkir. Indonesia berdikari bukan mengandalkan dari luar saja, indonesia jg satu2 nya negara asia tenggara yg mampu membuat kapal selamnya sendiri dan membuat pesawat terbang, dan indonesia jg sedang mengembangkan pesawat tempur dgn korea selatan, Kelemahan indonesia adalah korupsi yg sulit utk di brantas, jika koruptor di indonesia di hukum mati seperti china, indonesia akan menjadi negara super power setelah china.
"imagine if we are ready"
Its not Military job to patrol for enforcement of mundane daily incursions..Illegal fishing, etc?.
Thats Coast Guard job and other agencies!!.
Im assuming the reluctance of Admiralty to pass these enforcement baton to other agencies is part of the problem.
Navy budget should be focused, in building elite corps/best equipment/best tactics training/Cross training with other branch/integration not asking them to patrol vast waters for mundane enforcement.
That's not the case, Indonesia has 2 coast guards, one of them formed fairly recently and currently have too few ships deployed to patrol the vast territories. They are commisioning newer ships but it won't be til the next decade (optimistic) where we'll see them taking the primary role in sea patrol.
@@happyface96
Why 2 Coast Guards?
Anyway the fact they hv one is already in Right Track but it need real political will. As there are numerous Marine agencies reluctant to give away their power to Coast Guard.
U do not need to built new ships, u can in fact assimilate other overlapping agencies vessels and re Branding .
And again, Navy should stick to whats its destined to do; fearless, top notch training n ready to die.
I cant have yr NAVY being exposed to corruption enticement. and worst is stuck to legal mess of court/prosecution/defence. Waste of time for Navy personnel to hv to follow rules of evidence gathering etc.
@@kentershackle1329 Indonesia have more than 2 agencies, 6 agencies in fact, with overlapping work as coast guard: Bakamla (official newly established and acknowledged by other countries coast guard agencies), Water police, F*cking NAVY itself, Customs agency, anti-narcotics agency, KKP (faust) coast guard by ministry of fishery.
Navy budget?. Tiny island Singapore has the largest annual Military budget in ASEAN = US$11.5 Billion. Indonesia annual Military budget = US$7980.00 Million. Iron Dome and deadly drones are the future. Ah! smart tiny island Singapore!.
@@mysticcove3392 Singaporean fishing for compliments🎣
Give it to em boys, make sure he blushes with pride😳🤭
Well, good luck with it all Indonesia.
We tired with america embargo for military equipment
The older Russian submarines had missiles that could have reached Australia. 🤣😂🤣😂 No !!!!
We love Indonesia here in Australia.
We are dependent on our holidays to Bali. 😁😍
Not here to defend Western nation's massive defense spending but...why does a country with no known enemies like Indonesia require submarines?
Because if Indonesia do happen to find itself with an enemy, then it'll be too late to try getting a submarine since submarines take years to build (3-4 years or even more). Not to mention the amount of time and resources to prepare the organization (in this case TNI AL) to operate the submarine. Training skilled crew, developing relevant doctrines, preparing logistical needs (bases, dockyards, maintenance crew etc) all take a long time, more than the time needed to build the submarine itself. So only getting a submarine after the threat is clear and present, might already be too late.
Also looking at Indonesia's history, geographical location and size, having submarines is a must. While successive governments in Indonesia always declare that Indonesia have no enemies, our historical and current geopolitical situation says otherwise. In the past Indonesia has been colonized, has had armed conflict (Konfrontasi, incorporation of New Guinea, East Timor) or have tensions (Indonesia- Australia tensions post East Timor referendum, Indonesia-Malaysia territorial dispute over ambalat) with its neighbors. More importantly the current regional situation isn't exactly benign itself with China becoming more assertive in the South China Sea with even several cases of standoff between Indonesian forces and Chinese coast guard vessels in the Natuna region this past few years. With that backdrop, Indonesia strengthening its admittedly inadequate naval capability including by pursuing more submarines is a logical choice.
Aside from that it is also the fortunate (or unfortunate, depends on how u see it) fact that Indonesia is a large country, with significant resources and occupying a very strategic location (gateway between Indian and Pacific Ocean). So Indonesia will always be under the radar of external great powers. Unlike smaller countries in less strategic locations who can rely on obscurity to "protect" itself, Indonesia cannot afford to do that. So in order to ensure that Indonesia remain independent under all the influences and pressures of external powers, having a strong military capability is important. Of course having military capability alone is not enough, it should also be coupled with economic strength and socio-cultural influence. But you get my point.
China pose a threat to everyone in the South China sea area.
Indonesia since 1950 till now already have Submarine force...
Go read your countries war history to have a better understanding, while those are in the past, there are still valid points to learn from. Besides South China Sea issue may escalate, look at what China is doing, Indon is not even on "that" path of modernizing (per say). It takes time to build up, when China is ready, will Indon be ready too?
@@teguhnasution2033 Well said, points exactly.
This video
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pretty much doesn’t paint a promising future for Indonesia.
Like it or not, Indonesia isn’t even that likely to equal average countries like Malaysia let alone far wealthier China or Singapore.
It’s blatantly obvious democracy has failed it for the last two decades or so. Let’s face it benign dictatorship ala late Mr LKY and President Xi IS the way to achieve progress and prosperity.
Exactly as the video shows. Developing countries, on the whole, doesn't need total democracy. Democracy tends to end in democrazy. To go the fastest way possible to be rich, advanced etc. democracy needs to be limited. Take 2 comparatively equal countries, China and India. One with no/limited democracy. The other, India with total democracy . One with US$3.2 trillion in reserve currency now, the highest in the world that is China, the other with just hundreds of billion in reserve currency that is India. One has had already sent a spaceship to the moon and planet Mars and even built its own space station. The other even failed to reach the moon. Too much politicking/democracy doesn't serve well for developing countries . There was (is?) a joke in India, a 3-person group will form a political party . . . One to be the secretary general of party, the second would be the vice sec-general and the 3rd person would second them 😄
Well, what can a menopos lady can do at age 40 plus years
....the same thing goes to submerine
Lol, loved your post 😂😂😂
Do surgery😁
my deepest condolence to the family of Nangala, but I just wonder why no news in Indonesia which informed that China did a lot to lift the wrecks of ship from the deep of sea? I do not mind that China will take credit for this incidence
Best to join Asian country unites as one, not Japan and India Russia and China will be leading ,
Ya right national hero. Then Mh370 is national zero?
What are you talking about?
Mh370 is Malaysia not Indonesia you know?
Belum berperang sudah tenggelam #ironic
singapork u also from china ..your origin not from nusantara..come from no where and then claim the island
Kamu dari mana? Malaysia atau Indonesia. Tolong jangan menghina nama negara orang lain. Di Singapura juga ada ramai orang Islam dan masjid.
@@haidendin3271 negara sekutu israhell laknatolloh..wkwkwkwk
@@saifulazwan9565 Singapura berbaik dan berurusan dengan semua negara. Namun tidak mengikuti apa yang dilakukan Israel terhadap Palestine. Israel cuma mengajar Singapura bagaimana menubuhkan askar untuk pertahanan negara setelah beberapa negara lain menolak untuk menolong Singapura dalam membentuk pertahanan.
Chinese traders and individuals has been in nusantara regions thousand of years before any of the modern nation began, some of local rulers have chinese blood. Especially in Indonesia numerous sultanate and even famous preachers were foreign descent and especially Chinese. Hatred toward chinese was fostered by colonial government.
I blame their goverment
Your government
@@muh.awaluddin7893 your country your government.. failed government
@@torquern.a7692 yeah it is mine and if it's not yours what are you? A banished Indonesian?
@@muh.awaluddin7893 a traitor
indonesian to much corruption..
Seriously, is it really necessary to emphasize military weapon for the better world? We dont really defend ourself if there is no trust issues against the other nation.
Well tell that to China
Tell that to ISIS and Al-Qaeda
Because of 32y corruption
Korupsi dimana mana eh
well as i say before
prabowo can't doing anything
i mean.... all of this because of politic
an army need to be handle with retired general who has a good reputation
not with a fired general....
RIP
my hope for better indonesian army by prabowo...
now we know that fired general and other fired people is really bad people. they only care about themself....
well now it's nearly impossible to fire him from cabinet because of politic....
well my hope maybe on next election 2024
No need to build military power. Indonesia is a non aligned country. We are indonesian have a purpose to get rich and will triple the GDP by 2045 (top 5) largest economy.
Without strong military and law enforcement to safeguarding your country economy assets.. That a potent recipe for disaster..
Imagine this, for all those whose invested in your country they simply giving you peanuts compared to what they had took..
Or since your military is nothing, they might think completely invading and occupied is a excellent idea..
Indonesia needs to improve its archaic system of education😢. Good education=knowledge =strong economy =$$$=POWER
@@justscanningby9902 richest indonesian as much as entire UK population.. indonesia separate by island so it took time to reach all of the dream. But remember china 30 years ago (very poor) Indonesia could do the same because its blessed and huge geography and large young population. 30 years later indonesia will become the rising star.
@@keavzmoezx344 Indonesia will be divided after years of rebellion.
@@hybridchicken2994 it will never happen anymore.. 300 native ethnic + 700 language freedom of religious has been tested before Columbus landed in America. Also British, 🇵🇹, and the dutch was kicked out like a dog in the past
Return Natuna Islands to Malaysia， welcome UK's navy and aircraft carrier to Malaysia.
How many land Zionist Malaysia want to swallow? Sabah Sarawak Sipadan Ligurian Pedra branca not enough still want natuna
rakus bet ama pulau
sepet menyalak 🤭
Its Ganyang time
We are brothers.. May Allah destroy anyone who wants to divide us.
If our neighbor suck our "oily" blood for their life. Imagine if we stop that "oily" Bleed.
Then let's note the best sentence of this video.
"Imagine if we are ready"
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