In 2021, the population of the Pittsburgh metropolitan area in the United States was about 2.35 million people. This was a slight decrease from the previous year , when the population was about 2.37 million people. Updated Jun 2, 2023
From what I read elsewhere, the city itself saw a drop but the larger Pitt metro did have a healthy increase. Everyone I know who lives there loves it.
As a former inhabitant of New Orleans along with my wife and with relatives still living in New Orleans, we hate it when people continue to blame Katrina. Corruption, Crime and Mismanagement are the real reasons for people fleeing the city. With all of these cities, It’s not just about % or numbers. It’s about who is leaving. Professionals and skilled workers are leaving. Anyone with the wherewithal to leave are leaving. The tax base is leaving.
All mayor's of NO have been Democrat since 1867, according to google. Why would you expect anything else? Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” - usually attributed to Albert Einstein.
Especially here in Omaha, we have the giant Ogallala aquifer underground ocean. Also we are growing faster than our 2:25hr and 3 hr neighbors Des Moines And Kansas City.
I lived in rural west Tennessee my whole life, and relocated 5 years ago. In that time, I can count on two hands the number of friends who died of fentanyl overdose. Others are struggling with depression. The area I lived in depended on manufacturing that mostly disappeared around 2010. NAFTA destroyed the working class of this country.
The Republicans and Democrats with Special Interest Groups created the Narrative of America can't compete with Cheap labor from overseas.... And sent the US manufacturing to China Mexico and many other countries in order to make bigger profits for themselves and create a Political Elite that is funded by Donations of this Corporations.... As Corporate CEO's enriched themselves and politicians receive Generous Donations and Employment by these Corporations.... The Average American was stripped from their Middle Class Jobs .... Deregulation.... Defunded the Middle Class and Greedy Politicians and Corporations picked pocketed the Middle Class.
I think the reason why people are leaving New Orleans is because: 1. It's below sea level 2. It's prone to flooding 3. 11% chance of hurricane each year. 4. It's run down. 5. Crime in the city is really bad in some areas. Metairie & Kenner I heard are much safer.
I also wonder if LA laws being different from the rest of the country (French law not Common Law) affects the businesses there. Very few large companies HQ in NOLA
@@cyrle8090insurance should cost more in a place that's likely to be hit by hurricanes and floods. It's rational for insurance companies to encourage people to move to higher ground.
Unfortunately, too many are doing the same and the once safe areas will be visited by the same problems people fled. There's only so much available acreage in the South, and once every rich person buys it up to flee, there won't be anywhere nice or safe left to run for anyone else.
I lived in Austin for 12 years and left for the MidWest. The cost of living in the warm cities is out of control, the weather is becoming a massive problem, and there is no water.
@@michaelsix9684 five years i tried but I couldn’t compete with the people who could pay cash for $500k condo. I said goodbye returned to Ohio and within two months bought a home. The city is great but if it will not give you a future it’s not worth it
I lived in Austin for ten years and it sucked big time. Expensive, unfriendly, sprawled out, congested. Probably the most horrendously overrated city in America by far. Austin is not meant to be a big major city yet the stupid local leaders keep bringing in more rapid growth.
Austin was a really, really neat city in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s and even up to about 2005. It did not plan for population growth, so it didn't make the necessary upgrades in infrastructure. Now, they have 24/7 rush hour traffic; the cost of living is absolutely out of control; the people have become MEAN; and the summer heat is simply NOT DO-ABLE. We left in 2015. We'll go back for a visit, but we will never, ever live there again.
Detroit native here. Interesting fact, in the 1950's, Detroit was the wealthiest city in the World. That's right...the World. I've lived in all four of the US mainland time zones, and from what I have seen and experienced living elsewhere, the decline that happened in Detroit, can happen anywhere....
To say a city was the wealthiest in the world doesn't mean anything. The wealth of a city, or nation is a nebulous concept. All the wealth can be owned by a tiny few people. The vast majority could still be poor or middle income.
Exactly! Every city has their day in the sun. The cities that are currently enjoying robust economies will fall, and the cities that are on this list (which are still the most important in the country) will rise again just like they've done 100-150 years ago.
@@brianarbenz1329per capita income in Detroit in the 50s and 60 outstripped the rest of the USA due to the auto industry and supporting industries. It was unreal the amount of wealth in SEMichigan.
Speaking as a Wisconsinite, I wonder how many people are leaving Milwaukee for smaller, growing metros like Madison, the Fox Cities/Green Bay, Eau Claire, etc.. Those three areas (ESPECIALLY Madison) have grown quite a bit over the last couple decades.
I just moved out of Milwaukee County to Waukesha. Found a nice, quiet neighborhood and a small but decent apartment. I looked at smaller towns in the area but not a lot of rentals available. I grew up in Northern Wis and I miss it but my job is in this area now.
I live in central PA. It gets cold, we get some snow but I think everyone lumps the entire northern United States into a place where it’s really cold and always snows. North of interstate 80 in PA and in Erie and in higher elevations you’ll get lots of snow. I imagine the upper Midwest is the same way. You’ll probably won’t get as much snow in Peoria as you do in Wisconsin. At least where we live in PA, I think the winters are an overblown factor, they aren’t that bad
I'm sorry but extreme heat and humidity must of the year, is overrated and unconfortable. Also the weather in Omaha is nowhere near as Minneapolis weather, it's between both extremes
Madison is becoming too overgrown, and TBH, the cost of living in Dane County (which is where Madison is located), let alone property taxes, are WORSE than Milwaukee County despite some good opportunities. Crime is rising up here in Madison, because we have a completely woke mayor, let alone a woke county sheriff and an incompetent governor given they were all in on pushing the "Defund the Police" BS.
Michigan is an incredible state and I’m always happy to hear that people don’t wanna live here or that people are leaving. It’s beautiful and surrounded by fresh water lakes on 3 sides. Best kept secret and I’m glad is still a secret.
I moved to San Francisco back in August 1986 and I thought I was in heaven, The weather it never really gets very cold or very hot if it does the fog comes in and cools everything off. But, after living there so many years the cost of living was getting INSANE so I moved to Houston where the cost of living was some much bearable and I never looked back.
I’ve lived in or spent a lot of time in most of these places. The Bay Area could stand to lose a few hundred thousand more because housing and commuting are out of control. The pandemic felt like a chokehold being released. Most people there were planning to leave just because it was nearly impossible to buy a house even if you have the money. I grew up in Detroit and while there are a lot of things that are troubling today, I’ve also seen a lot of positive development. So we’ll see.
It's also important to keep perspective in mind. California in overall lost an estimated 350k population, and this is after almost it's entire history as a state featuring double-digit population growth, with 2010-2020 being the first decade California did not grow by double-digits. Quite frankly, California needs to not grow for a while. Let housing supply catch up and reach a healthy equilibrium and try to get these housing costs to a less absurd level. I'm a lifelong Californian and the only reason I'm still here is because I inherited a house, otherwise I'd be forced to either pay unsustainable rent or pull up stakes and relocate somewhere more affordable.
@@jeremywerner9489 I lived in California for 14 years. In that time, millions of high paying jobs were created in the Bay Area alone (awesome), but only a few hundred thousand housing units were created. Having rich people with an insufficient number of places to live causes a lot of problems. Conversely, Californians have been mostly against the housing development and transit needed to make the area livable. So you get sprawl everywhere (even in places that are prone to catching on fire). It's a tough solution to solve when there are large, powerful factions, that don't want that progress to happen.
Yes, as a native of the Bay Area, the saying was once you leave, you can never afford to come back. Makes me ILL that the INFLUX of too many people especially foreign investors HAVE RUINED affordability of the Bay Area. We go through this as Californians every 12 -15 years. Oh my word people leaving CA, what a shame NOT. GO LEAVE, PLEASE. We didn't invite you all to come and ruin our State and complain all the time. Those that appreciate the beauty and dynamism and attempt at SOME SANE modern politics end up staying.
I lived in Santa Cruz county and worked in San Francisco for 12 years. Moved to Nashville in 1999 and love the freedom and better quality of life. Miss the ocean and weather and nutcases, sometimes. Haven't had anyone press me to worship Mother Earth in a long time.
@@jeremywerner9489 The problem is housing won't just "catch up". California and more specifically the Bay Area needs to copy the Canadian (Vancouver and toronto) and even Miami model of building a crap ton of high dense residential. Could you just imagine Manhattan skyscrapers in the beautiful backdrop of the Bay Area with the water and mountains?
I’m in SW Florida. I just met people from CA who were surprised how expensive it is here. Food, gas, rent, clothes, appliances. House prices seem lower until you realize that 1,700 SF is all you get - no attic, no basement. I love it here, but new people find out pretty fast that you have to make good money to live here. Oh, and I am still fixing my house after Hurricane Ian last year.
Lived in New York since 1980… I’m retiring in the near future and I can’t wait to get the hell out of here. It used to be a great place to grow up ,work and live. Not anymore! Everything is HIGH … high cost of living,high taxes, high rate of crime, even the people are high plus the political climate. I just had enough. So as soon as I retire I’m high tailing out of here.
If all you measure your happiness by is your cash flow, then go ahead to wherever. I am certain you'll start finding A LOT of drawbacks you'll find reason to complain about in the hinterland. And no action whatsoever to seriously correct them. Good luck, you'll miss what your last 43 years of life has given you...
@@dock_yard1149 I moved to San Antonio, Texas suburb, (never been happier). 2023 From Central Valley CA The nearest toll road to me is 45 miles away (easily avoided too,) and gas is $2.69 a gallon yesterday 9/3/2024- . We pay $.13 kilowatt hour (deregulated in most cities )for electricity. Also if over age 65, property taxes never change and the legislature just reduced the property tax rate last year by $100,000 of assessed value, statewide, and approved by the voters. Plus 2 other exemptions too. Disabled military here pay no property tax whatever for the rest of their life. -Try that in New York.- Going back? Not likely.! {No homeless tents. No graffiti.} Also, it is legal to defend yourself, but most people are friendly. Texas STILL has VOTER ID. No mass mailings of ballots. Deceased people were just purged from the voting registration rolls. I could go on, but enough for now. Free air smells great. Texas loves veterans.
@@dock_yard1149it's great that you like NYC. Still some people do not value the same things you like about New York city. My mom was from there and moved out when she was young and eventually moved to a small town in Appalachia. She never missed anything about New York city. She said she could now walk to the grocery store, post office, dentist office, etc and not have to worry about someone wanting to steal her jewelry or shoes. Sometimes people don't really care about theatres, or museums, or nightlife. They just want to be safe and feel at home wherever they are. Mom always said you can't get that in New York city. Peace.
As a native of New Orleans born and raised here it's not as bad but we do have our share of problems. Crime, homeless people, unemployment poverty etc. Overall The cost of living is relatively common with other metro areas. But I live in the suburbs. Somewhat lower crime but the police in Jefferson Parish don't put up with the BS that comes from New Orleans.
I think in the coming years as the southern states continue to have 6 months of oppressive heat and winters in the Midwest become more mild, we could see the opposite migration take place. In addition, the cost of living in the Midwest is considerably cheaper.
I tend to agree. I live in Florida now and have since late 2000. It was great when I moved here but after 2015 or so, the heat/humidity seems a lot worse, homeowners insurance is highest in country, and freeways are packed. Now i wouldn’t want to move to a rust belt area but somewhere in between like North Carolina is looking more and more attractive.
@@peldor I live on a beautiful lake 30 miles from Detroit. I have an artesian well that never stops. As the south heats up the climate will get less severe in the north and will be the place to live. I built my house 35 years ago as did all my 9 brothers and sisters and none of us has ever had a natural catastrophe destroy a dwelling. The south has Hurricanes, Bad Tornadoes. Look what just happened in Hawaii. It’s going to get worse and worse.
Have you seen home insurance or car insurance prices in Florida? Some of the highest in the country. Parts of Florida also have seen some of the highest rent increases, along with overvalued housing markets. Texas has the 6th highest property tax and an 8% sales tax.. these places are not cheap to live. @@peldor
As someone who was born, raised, and still reside on the space coast of Florida, I can confirm that a lot of the growth in my region of Florida is due to people moving from other states. Matter of fact, some people are shock when you tell them you’re born and raised here. Granted, my mom and dad weren’t born and raised here. As they are from Savannah, Georgia. And move here after they got married.
New Orleans has been plagued by a string of lack-luster (or worse) mayors who constantly battle judges over the failure to comply with various consent decrees. The city's infrastructure has been neglected badly in certain areas that result in money flowing away like the tides... because the really old water mains and drains are now literally falling apart. The city can't afford to fix it all at once and "robs Peter to pay Paul" - so fire, police, and ambulance services suffer. Schools suffer. And people exit. It will take some really tough-minded politicians to clean up the mess.
Honestly, I have bigger problems with the state government than the city government. The governor himself is ok, but most of the other elected officials are hot garbage, and they're ru(i)ning the state accordingly. Not even exclusive to Louisiana, either. Most southern states increasingly seem to be more akin to Russia than America.
@@kelj4517 *ahem* Cantrell *ahem* is proof black women "like her" don't care about anything but themselves. I've had the misfortune of meeting this bdub when i lived there temporarily. I'm still disturbed by the vibe she gave off to this day.
I’m 54 and live in Chicago metro. My plan is that when I turn 55 and can retire from my union job of 35 years, to move to a southern small town. The taxes and property is simply a lot cheaper. Many of the people I knew from high school or those who retired from where I work have already left for Tennessee, Florida, or Texas.
The problem with the real estate market is not permits. The real problem is major investors buying up all the residential real estate and also the Airbnb is our calls in a major issue too. Until that is stopped it’s going to continue to get horrible. No one is buying houses except for investors right now.
What was stated about Chicago was ridiculous. Jobs pay better in Chicago then what is paid in the South. What Chicago has, that other cities lack is an advantageous, central location. It is hub of transportation, and businesses are not required to go long distances in order to distribute goods. Also Chicago sits on a tremendous resource that many sunbelt cities do not have, and that is fresh water.
Republican Sunbelt are annually destroyed by Hurricanes,Tropical Storms,melting Heat & Humidity,low wages,starving Unemployment benefits and Welfare,Famine Retirement benefits and hospitals says that your Elderly parents/relatives signed up to avoid receiving lifesaving help such as oxygen,drugs,etc Republicans States let them died,bad experiences.
@@clydedoris5002 true, but unlike those other states - Chicago rules Illinois. So really, Illinois is a non-factor. Chicago does have tremendous resources, it's an inland coastal global city, the #2 to New York as a true city. The downside of Chicago is the far left, liberalization that has resulted in the lack of, or better yet, the unenforcement of law or common sense. That, combined with the rise of China at the expense of home mfg has created the problem of the south side (and to the west side to some degree). If Chicago can get leadership that believes in morality, rules, and proper enforcement of the law AND if we can get some business back for those who need then the city can rise again and the crime will finally be removed to 'acceptable' big city levels (crime will never be eliminated, but it can become more acceptable). If Chicago can find a balance in leadership who upholds and enforces the law (also meaning, unaccept corruption) then it WILL succeed again. MCGA - Make Chicago Great Again!
Taxes truly are a killer though, and the reputation much of the city has with crime certainly doesn't help the suburbs either even if they are relatively safe.
I live in the Sacramento area in CA. This place is growing, but the housing prices are going up so I don't think the growth is going to last that long. As for San Francisco, it is clearly on a gradual decline to ultimate collapse at this rate. The crime is that main problem with the San Francisco area, especially Oakland.
Soon have to factor in extreme heat and paucity of fresh water. The 'old rust belt' is bound to rebound for pricing, fresh water, and soon-to-be 'temperature' advantages.
Here in Omaha, we are about the same latitude as the rustbelt, though we have been growing at a faster rate rate than even our 3hr and 2.25hr neighbors away Kansas City and Des Moines. I guess part of it is because Omaha does not rely on manufacturing and instead other industries plus the largest Google cloud footprint in the US, and also we are being known as the Silicon Prairie of the midwest.
The “extreme heat” angle is greatly embellished. I grew up in the north and spent my adult life in the south. No significant changes in weather in 40+ years. Some summers are hotter than others, just as some winters are cooler than others. It has been several years since we have had outdoor watering restrictions. The infrastructure has caught up to the population growth in that regard. A rebound of the rust belt will be dependent on innovation and economics more so than weather some place else.
@markswan2582 Also, expanding the geologic climate scale to 4000 shows that we are cooling and that the so-called warming since the 1800s is just a blip. First, they called it global cooling, then global warming, and since that didn't work, they changed it to climate change...
Three of my favorite podcasters moved during the pandemic illustrating this trend nicely. One moved from Oakland CA to Austin TX. One moved from NYC to suburban Atlanta. One moved from LA to the Denver area.
People don’t see any problem with sacrificing productive farmland the fastest in the country to increase population? It’s actually seen as a positive. Obviously the human species has become void of any instinctual self preservation. The outcome is inevitable!!!!!!
Yep one of my coworkers moved from rental property in mid Atlantic to buying a home in the south near husband's family. She's now 100% remote working from home. Why not?
I love this kind of stuff. New sub. Thx. I moved around a lot until about 20yrs. ago IL->SF->Sea->PDX->Madison->Chi. I find it interesting why people choose to move. One thing I've always done is move to something rather than away from something. Watching all the suburban/exturban sprawl over the past 50+ yrs. and working in tech. with a lot of people who choose those areas, I see many very "dissatisfied customers". More congestion, more crime, increasing costs, etc. comes with the sprawl/growth package.
@@schonerhimmel3367More lies pushed by woke politicians and gas guzzling uber wealthy that buy beach front properties and fly their private jets, while preaching climate change to the plebs.
I’m a lifelong Bay Area resident and the cost of everything here is just unbelievable. From housing, insurance, gas and food, to the extras, it’s really impossible for a young working couple to buy their own home here. A one-bedroom apartment in a bad area starts around $2,500/month. We have two populations in my county, the richer, aging, white, home-owning population, of which I am one, and the immigrant population who works here daily, but can’t afford to live here. This doubles the population during the day. These poor people must commute from cheaper areas, often two hours each way, to work at the lowest paying jobs here. No one wants to exploit them, this just happened because of their lack of English, education and technical skills. Homelessness, crime and open drug use are big problems, too. I can no longer walk my daily route because a big, nasty tent city is set up there. These aren’t immigrants or out of work families, they are aged hippies who prefer this lifestyle and mostly junkies who shoot up openly. The small city where I live keeps adding more services for them, free dining rooms, food banks, give away centers, clinics, etc., but not policing them. So, they keep flowing in from across the country to get this free lifestyle and the mild weather here. Thank you for your interesting video.🙂
I’m a native San Franciscan and I understand what your saying. I thought it was a fabulous place to grow up but unfortunately it’s changed so much that it’s unrecognizable.
@robinnewman. As you stated the cost of living in the bay area is high. Do you think there is a connection between high rents and homelessness? Or do we just have a huge population of low life individuals? You stated policing the problem to be the answer. I guess if they locked them all up your problem would be solved. The hippie generation are closing in at 80 yrs. old. That statement regarding hippies is a sign that you do not fully understand homelessness, nor do you realize that those hippies are responsible for peace, civil rights, woman's rights, the state's environmental and ecological preservation. Ca. It is the most progressive, best economy in the nation, fifth in the world. Based on your opening statements you could easily be homeless yourself. And the immigrant population. They survive here amazingly by being frugal and entrepreneurial. They buy houses by banding together renting out spare rooms pooling incomes to start small businesses. I personally know hundreds of immigrants who now have a standard of living that is very affluent and are thriving because of hard work and ingenuity. Perhaps you should continue your walk routine through the tent area without judgment and disgust. Add some empathy and understanding. Make an analysis from this new mind set. Lasty, take a lesson from the migrants, make the sacrifices necessary to get ahead. They are doing better at surviving than young whites. Why? Or you could move to Boisy Idaho and join all of the racist judgmental white trash that has gone there for a better life. (Now that is also judgmental of me) There is a reason why other places are cheaper to live in. (Once you get there you will realize how good you had it here.) The opportunities here are extraordinary for those who tap into the possibilities. Others sit on their ass and complain. It is competitive here. Are you ready to be competitive?
Democrats just enable them. Never vote Democrat. Republicans aren’t perfect but Democrats are bat shit crazy. You wouldn’t spoil your children why would you spoil transients. It’s common sense
Yeah, no one wants to exploit those poor immigrants, definitely not the large corporations employing them and paying them a shit wage while the city becomes more and more of an expensive landfill by the day
@@brentoncode4257 Are you a child or simply don’t know that Solider Field is a national landmark that cannot be torn down and is almost a 100 years old. It’s on Lake Michigan but unlike stadiums in BFE real cities come with real populations and high property values.
The pandemic did kick off a serious surge of moving into places like Nashville, where I have been since 2016. Rents started skyrocketing like crazy around that time, and to me it looked like investors were totally playing to couples or families looking to leave cities like what were highlighted in this video for affordable (notably NYC and Los Angeles). Oddly enough, you will also notice the ever-increasing price of housing and rent along with an ever-growing homeless problem getting worse even in cities that are increasing in population (Nashville was one of the very worst with this), so maybe stay tuned for some sort of rebound activity in the future once people get turned off about things like that. If anything, longer-standing citizens of the growing cities are basically getting priced out and moving to areas further away from the entire metro area they started with.
We're seeing this en-masse in FL, to the point where a lot of born-and-bred Floridians are leaving for places like Ohio, Illinois and Pensylvania cause we've been forced out of our own homes by investment firms and landlords who're renting to New Yorkers and Californians. The folks from California make me giggle, cause FL is basically CA 2.0 (klan edition) and all they're really doing is swapping mountains for swamps and forest fires for hurricanes.
This video should be reposted without the errors in the numbers shown and/or spoken for the Pittsburgh and Milwaukee metro areas. I was quite confused at first and had to go back and replay those two metros to understand the intent.
I left CA for AZ a few years ago. I couldn't afford a house in CA. I couldn't even afford an apt. in CA without having roommates. In AZ, I can afford my small house on my large piece of land. The cost of living here is so much lower.
There's also a huge out migration of people moving out of the Miami metro area now. Too expensive. But it's being replenished with rich assholes from other planets.
The story continues of lost population across the industrial heartland of the Midwest. On the other hand, cities like Toronto and Montreal in Canada - colder than most of the ones in this list - are growing. Toronto's metro area has overtaken Chicagoland in size and is the fastest growing city in North America. The explanation has much to do with immigration policy.
@@dawnelder9046We should either focus solely on densifying, NIMBYs be going to hell, or we do an economic degrowth, or we favor smaller cities... which will probably not have the same policies regarding sprawl, and thus will sprawl more and eat more farm areas in the process...
Mayor Duggan is doing a bang up job recently, he has bone more in a few years than the last few did in over 40 years. Downtown is booming like no other time in recent history, the food and entertainment scene is exploding. A considerable number of the empty lots left behind by abando demo has been filled by orchards, greenhouses, well maintained extended lots and even a couple vineyards. Still a lot of desolation but detroit has gone leaps and bounds just since Kwame Kilpatrick
I live in a rural area of Hawaii. Long ago, before statehood in 1959, tourism was the tiny sliver of our economy. Most of it was a combination of the military during the Cold War, plus mechanized agriculture, such as sugarcane, and pineapple. Large plantations employed hundreds of workers, providing housing, and many utilities at either lol or no cost. In return, workers did manual labor it barely minimum wage. it was a means of advancing in society, for the mostly immigrant labor population, hoping for a better life for their American born children. The industry was subsidized by import restrictions, designed to keep out for an agricultural products, the same as the rest of the American agricultural industry. However, with the eventual elimination tion of restrictive import trade tariffs, mass agriculture became less viable. Large and small scale head to culture began dying off in the 1980s. In Hawaii, the big sugar plantations that had existed for over a century, declined from over 100, to almost 0. Family farms on the mainland US, began experiencing bankruptcies. After statehood in 1959, how are you experienced mass immigration from the mainland US as well as usual. Housing prices skyrocketed, doubling at least once every decade. you might is form a modest home that might’ve cost you $5000 in the 1950s, would cost $10,000 in the 1960s, $20,000 in the 1970s, $40,000 in the 1980s, etc. The median price of a single-family home where I live in a rural area, is presently $600,000. The median household income in Hawaii is something like $70,000. That roughly translates into being able to afford a home that cost $210,000. Further complicating the problem is that the nearest mainland port is approximately 2500 miles away in California, about the same distance from Los Angeles to New York City. Any domestic goods must be imported that distance. In general, the cost of living here is about double the rest of the country. In general, a university graduate here must decide whether to move to some mainland city, where they can earn double the pay, for half the living expense. Or they can stay here where the crime rate is a fraction of what it is in any average mainland municipal area. Too often, the graduate takes their education to a mainland urban area, depriving Hawaii of yet another graduate.
Not sure if I am correct, but the Big Island seemed slightly less expensive than Maui, but the Big Island still made California look like a bargain. I could be wrong on that, because I was just a tourist in both.
@@manfredmann2766 Bought my first home on Kauai in 1993, in the recession that followed a major hurricane.$240,000 for an acre of agricultural zoned land with a four bedroom house on it. We considered ourselves lucky that the price had been lowered from $275 thousand. At one time, blocks away, a few years earlier, empty quarter acre residential zoned lots on the zext street over, were selling for $250 thousand. (Translates to $1 million per acre.) A few years before that, mr brother’s friend bought 3 acres of unimproved agricultural land on Hawaii island for $12 thousand, or $4 thousand per acre. No water other than rain catchment. (Impossible to drill a well into lava rock.) Many relatives live in rural Iowa, where farmlamd sells for $1100 to $2000 per acre. Abundant water, shaky access to roads and other public utilities. Where do you live?
yes, it does appear that the Hawaiian leadership has screwed the pooch as far as economic development of their islands. No apparent plan whatsoever except to maximize gouging the tourists. you have to grow your own fruits and vegetables despite thousands of acres going fallow. Lucky it is paradise. In order to cope with skyrocketing housing prices, just ask anyone from LA or the Bay Area. One has to become a real estate expert to live there on a normal salary, but it can be done. Best of luck!
I left my mainland home to study in Hawai’i for a graduate degree-I would have loved to remain in Hawai’i permanently but the financial cost of living there versus the advantages of returning to the mainland were huge. I will always love and miss Hawai’i but couldn’t afford to live there permently!😊
I live in Raleigh, NC and was born and raised here. Our region is absolutely exploding. There are houses and apartment complexes going up everywhere. Traffic is getting worse every day. And all these people are probably coming from the places you mentioned.
Yep. The good places in the South are being colonized by refugees. Once enough of them come, they won't be nice places anymore - just overcrowded, expensive, urban sprawl with no peace and quiet like the cities they're fleeing. Nashville, Raleigh, Charlotte, and Atlanta are becoming unlivable with the prices and crowding.
I first visited Raleigh in 2018, and was just there in 2022. The growth is quite evident. The price of housing has gone up exponentially, and there is much more traffic. Downtown Raleigh holds a lot of potential.
The places named in this video simply have too many people. The population needs to drop in these larger areas. But people who live in smaller areas will easily notice a change in the population. Many of the locals aren't going to like it. The people moving in will like it because it is a less stressful life when the population isn't as large.
I noticed that your map shows population growth in Northern New England. For some reason, people are moving to NH and VT and even to ME which gets really cold. It's possible that some are fleeing climate change which seems to be cranking up the temperatures in the sun belt.
A complicating factor is the growth of snowbird living. People who have one residence in Chicago and another in Florida and so forth may be unsure where to list their principal address for the purpose of Census counts and other Census Bureau surveys. The big increase in retirees, and semiretired people who work online also has likely fueled the move away from these older, colder metro areas.
Yes, right into hellish places like the Gulf Coast. Within the next few years states like Florida and Texas will start losing population. Not just climate change, but authoritarian, right-wing, nasty politics. Oh, and the inability to get homeowner's insurance.
The thought of someone relocating to Florida and expecting a low cost of living is in for a very rude awakening. And as for the weather being great? Depends on whether you enjoy hot and humid. I grew up in Florida and couldn't wait to leave. We finally moved to Madison 25 years ago and have never looked back.
@@markthomas913 I lived in Florida for the better part of 40 years. I was there visiting in June and I have plenty of friends and family that still live there. I am curious though which statement I made you disagree with? Is it not hot and humid in Florida? Because it sure was in June when I was there. As for the cost of living the modest home that I bought in 93 and sold in 97 in Fort Lauderdale was recently up for sale for over $1 million. Friends and relatives that live there. Tell me that homeowners insurance is through the roof and from personal experience not more than a few weeks ago I can tell you that going out to eat in Fort Lauderdale and Miami is stupidly expensive. So again I ask which statement I made you disagree with?
I live in Florida now. The Weather is pleasant to me. The cost of living is quite acceptable to me as a retired Veteran (Ranger). I wouldn't be dynamited from my home here. Keep your freezing winters, high taxes and Democrat corrupt Government way from me. To each his own. BTW, I ride motorcycles to the beach almost daily and entertain lovely women regularly. Tanned, thin 50+ unvaxed, intelligent and sexy. You enjoy what you have.
@@markthomas913 Bless your little heart. Sounds like you are exactly where you should be. You should definitely stay put and hang on to your sweltering weather, your hurricanes, your high crime and expensive housing cost. As for the comment about currupt politicians I'd say the majority of them are living in Tallahassee and Mar A Lago.
LOVE your style, Mike. You keep politics out of it and simply let people draw their own conclusions, and it's next to impossible to find anything to disagree with you on.
I like that about Mike as well, but it's a shame we have to compliment someone for simply keeping politics out of something since it's become the norm these days.
@@albertjewell1963 The presence of an extreme right wing party funded by the billionaires who are literally buying everything has made politics incredibly important- life and death even.
@@jaymum23 yes it must be the right's fault that all the left controlled cities have turned into complete shitholes in the last few decades ... i dont even consider myself politically right and even i see a comment like yours and think "man, wake the hell up"
I have lived in Phoenix, AZ and Las Vegas, NV over the past 40 years and was always surprised at how many Californians had also bought a house in Phoenix or Vegas as an investment. Many of them over the years finally made the move. The number 1 reason was cost of living in CA. Business owners because of the oppressive regulations and cost of doing business.
I always believed weather to be the no.1 motivator for folks who have the means to uproot and relocate (companies too). Upstate NY appears to be crawling back in population as temps become more unbearable in the south. Maybe the Midwest will grow back soon as well.
This is my thought process too. As we've seen record high temps for multiple days in a row in the south, the weather is just fine in WNY. I'll deal with the snow instead of baking in the summer.
That was absolutely my number one priority when leaving Austin for the Rocky Mountains. I now live at 7,800 feet, where we do not even have air conditioning. Lately, we have been experiencing a heat wave, with highs sometimes reaching into the low 80s, but it still drops into the 50s at night. The winters are also beautiful. Typical highs are in the 30s, but it is always sunny and dry, so I often leave the house without a coat.
Climate and weather will continue to change. Crime, housing and employment availability, healthcare and educational advantages are all considerations when relocating. Smaller communities will thrive in the future.
Metropolitan areas in the United States focus on counties no matter they're urban, semi-urban, suburban or rural. I once made a US county map about the population of MSAs including CSAs, but after looking at the map, I can decide which metro area in the US I wish to stay in if I dream to work there.
Urban areas are much better fits. They use census blocks as their building blocks, but the Census Bureau can't estimate changes to urban areas. The data is only released every ten years after censuses. Since the 2020 census was held at the very beginning of the pandemic (basically only NYC had deaths before Census Day.), pandemic changes won't be visable until the 2030 Census. Urban areas data will likely not be known until late 2032.
@@MileageMike485, as you mention 2 counties, they form the Inland Empire. Sure they're mostly rural but the urban area focuses their county seats and its satellites and suburbs.
I think that it’s only a matter of time before the falling prices of the Midwest. the rising prices - and insurance premiums - of Florida, and the lack of water in the Southwest will begin to attract companies, jobs, and residents back to the Midwest. Already, Intel has announced a huge new semiconductor manufacturing facility near Columbus, Ohio, as well as design engineering facilities near Ohio State and Michigan. Balance will eventually kick in.
@@king77solomon30 That's not the fault of the natives of Florida..Why should we have to suffer with overcrowding because other's made bad choices and aren't brave enough to stand and fight for their cities and states..That's like ruining your home then expecting to live in homes of those that made better choices..
I think what people are going to eventually have to come to terms with; is that the only real places where you can buy your „dream home“ is in „undesirable“ states like Kansas, Nebraska, N&S Dakota, Missouri. These states all have extremely low cost of living and an extremely affordable housing market
You’re correct on that. I’m currently exploring some of these areas and the cost of living is very reasonable but most Americans seem to have forgotten this part of the country exists.
The winters in these places are dreadful-long and cold, with short days and gray skies. You live 3X as much in Florida-simply because you can get outside and enjoy life. Sitting at home while a blizzard rages is not for me.@@MileageMike485
Those of us who live in the Midwest do not find it ‘undesirable’ in fact many great places to live , just keep your dumb liberal ideas in the failing cities, thank you!
I love your point about MSA-vs-City. That said, a counter-example: CITY of Dallas routinely tries to take credit for the dynamism of DFW at large, leading it to rest on its laurels and waste money on boutique projects rather than "fix the potholes" issues. So there's a balance there. Enjoying your work and subscribing.
Seattle is similar, when in fact the suburbs of Redmond and Bellevue account for MOST of the GDP, and Tacoma is very underrated. Yes, like Dallas, Seattle is the most dominant city of the Seattle-Tacoma metro but unlike Dallas, Tacoma (nor the Seattle suburbs of Redmond and Bellevue) RARELY gets any credit or even mention whereas people always say DFW or Dallas-Ft Worth.
Midwest is gorgeous at this time of year! I have been in Arizona and Florida in the summer, and we are enjoying unparalleled beautiful weather! That’s why many northerners have two homes, one for the summer, one for the winter.
The population growth of Metro Atlanta is insane. My original hometown of Douglasville is unlivable at his point because of overcrowding, cost of living, crime, and lack of upkeep in the city. Not to mention that as more wealthy transplants move in to the city and gentrify, they're forcing longtime city residents into the suburbs, and the two populations don't usually mesh well. Makes me wish these other metros would take their people back lol.
@@edgein3299 you can’t compare downtown with the rest of the city. Highway 5, Chapel Hill, Fairburn Rd.. all those areas are slap full and traffic is terrible. Wasn’t like that 20 years ago.
@@jordan234674 not sure where you’re from, but if you had seen Douglasville 20 years ago, you’d see my point. Once the mall and all those new shopping centers started to pop up, people flooded in.
I was dragged kicking and screaming from St Paul to Milwaukee, and wound up loving the place. I still prefer the twin cities, but Milwaukee is okay. When you go, get to as many family owned restaurants as you can. I never had a bad experience with Milwaukee real restaurants.
7:24 after Katrina, MANY people were relocated. I work with lots of people that were affected by the hurricane. When they saw there were more jobs in Chicago, whole families moved here
It's really sad to see the state of cities like Cleveland, Detroit, New Orleans, Buffalo, and Baltimore. All of them have rich histories and have taken big falls from grace. Whereas the state of places like the Bay Area, LA, NYC, Boston, and now even Miami makes me angry because these places have relatively good standards of living if you can shell out enough money for a substandard studio apartment or have 4 roommates. These cities are so expensive that even the suburbs are losing population because they too are overpriced. And the causes of this are so evident. NIMBYs and zoning restrictions artificially constrain the amount of housing that can be built in these areas, preventing dense, affordable homes and apartments to be constructed. They always have bs excuses for why they can't build more housing. They just want their property values to go up with no consideration for others who might want to live in an area that clearly has room for more people. Also some other (dis)honorable mentions that I think are noteworthy: Memphis, Jackson, the aforementioned Boston, Buffalo, Rochester, and St. Louis. Denver, Portland, and Seattle too to a lesser extent because their growth has slowed a lot but is still positive, mainly due to the cost of living.
@@TommyJonesProductionson the other hand people will be attracted from expensive to cheap areas simply due to personal finance reasons, which changes where the "in demand" areas are. Ultimately when a city is hemorrhaging population its because of something more than just people wanting to be there so its expensive. (A common problem is excessive R1 zoning preventing the necessary densification that a pure free market would provide to keep overall prices down, this is obviously the problem if you enable anything denser than R1 and only ever get skyscrapers to try and relieve the demand/pressure)
Chicago's current population is 2.704 million, which is less than 2020, but more than 2021 or 2010 for that matter. It still has some good things: public schools that actually function (if you take the trouble to PICK the school, we have the ability to choose what public schools our kids go to), great libraries and museums, some safe neighborhoods that are actually affordable and safe. There are still jobs here.
I love Chicago and it’s an amazing city but none of the good neighborhoods are affordable unless you make well over 100k/year. Which is great if you fall under that category but not so much for the middle class. Gotta have a thriving middle class otherwise you’ll turn into San Francisco or San Jose. There is nice neighborhoods in the suburbs that are affordable but then you’re not in Chicago anymore. Still love Chicago though it’s a great city. I’m rooting for Chicago.
@@Cyrus992 I live in NWI. I have quit going to Chicago due to crime and the corrupt mayors people have elected. I keep my money and spend it in IN.We used to take short weekend trips to IL, but now we go to southern IN.
@@kennethcurtis1856 Interesting. I was in Chicago in September of last year. Still pretty attractive. Looks like it is going through a rough several years.
No it doesn't. As a native Californian, I can tell it doesn't. The mountain in the background is Mt. San Antonio, otherwise known as Mt. Baldy. It's not the Colorado Rockies.
The Great Lakes/Midwest area has fresh water available. Weather and climate aren't paradise, but they've been called "boring" because of their lack of catastrophes. Also, the infrastructures are mostly in place and paid for. I'd say the future might turn out well.
#1 stay the hell away from the Lakes. its not ur spot. #2 the water in michigan is DISGUSTING and our infrastructure is crumbling under the masses. traffic is intolerable for the area. and more people= more pollution destroying the lakes even worse. #3 the midwest gets rocked by ef5 tornadoes and gets leveled. and michigan gets storms like the finger of God came down, so, ure not correct. at all. im stockin ammo starting now for my family to defend the water in the future. u wanna live by lots of fresh water? pop open google maps and find something bigger in canada
all jokes aside, i really hope that local government can figure it’s shit out and get more housing built. i love it here and i’d hate to have to leave because i can’t afford it anymore
Excellent video, but I did notice that your map included San Jose as part of the SF metro area, which would be fine if you hadn't listed San Jose metro separately. 🤔
My wife and I were born and raised in the Southern Cal area of Torrance / Redondo Beach. But I retired from Aerospace in late 2013 at the age of 51...to raise our kids in Anthem AZ. We stayed in Anthem AZ for 5 years until a great job offer to Houston for my wife in the medical industry. We bought a brand new 4K+ sq ft. house on the outskirts of Houston and had a nice living...except for the Heat, Humidity, Mosquitos etc... We live there for 5 years until opportunity knocked again. With a GREAT offer and more $$ we moved back to CA (Anaheim Hills). We collectively need to stay and fight for change in our communities. And VOTE for improvement and change...don't run away from the challenges of life!
It wouldn't surprise me that by the year 2035 Texas becomes the most populous state and contains 3 of the top 10 largest metropolitan areas. That being DFW, Houston, San Antonio- Austin ( which is quickly becoming one metro region with uninterrupted urban sprawl between the two cities)
The growth is insane and annoying as well. A person cannot drive anywhere in the state (practically) without being held up in person or in traffic (JK!). We finally moved away from Austin after 15 years. I just couldn't take it any longer.
TEXa$$ state government is ruled at the top by 3 nasty people, Gov, Lt Gov, and (now suspended due to indictment, thank god) DA. They F'd up the cold snap that cut off power, they F'd up waiting out the Uvalde massacre, and they just pander everything to the right wing nut job base. They threw away all reasonable restrictions on carrying guns of any kind around, and now they passed laws that DENY outdoor workers minimal rest and water breaks. It's outright oppression in TEXa$$. Anyone who isn't white+xtian+wealthy should look to get out. The 2 US senators are jokes as well, esp Cancun Cruz, who couldn't be more of a parody of a corrupt US politician.
The demand for housing in these cities keeps rising, hence the higher costs of living. There are some people moving to live cheaper, but the demand for housing in large cities remains. Of course, a lot of people who moved to Texas for lower costs realize they can't keep the electricity on, but they're stuck until they can afford to move back.
Thankfully solar is really saving the Texas power grid this summer despite it having days and stretches of even worse heat than what we saw last year when there were a few days in July that the grid was close to having rolling blackouts.
Regarding Detroit, it is of some significance that the city is also a hub for Windsor, Ontario, located just across the narrow river. Toledo is just beyond the state line. Ohio and Ontario license plates are commonplace in Metro Detroit as New Jersey plates are in New York City.
No mention of "congestion" or "inability to use public transit by reason of crime." Americans still have a bottomless patience with wasting time, and with taking chances with personal safety (from accidents even more than crime). It's always SOME OTHER GUY that gets hit over the head, until it's YOU and then your voice won't be heard any more.
I am surprised metros like Providence RI, Hartford CT, Baltimore MD and Wilmington DE didn't make the list. I usually think the northeast is declining more than the midwest.
Wilmington and Baltimore are considered mid-Atlantic areas. Delaware's population had grown, especially below the C&D canal in areas such as Middletown, Smyrna, and Dover, where developments are springing up, and of course, the opening of Rt. 1 in the early 2000s have brought many people moving from Wilmington and north to below the canal where houses are more affordable and of course be able to commute to Wilmington and Baltimore/DC area. The beaches of DE & MD are also drawing people to move to Delaware.
I would offer a correction here about Ohio. The state- as a whole- has lost population, but Ohio's major cities are holding steady or experiencing growth. Columbus is the only city that is growing significantly. Cincinnati and Dayton are SLOW growers ( Dayton being the slower of the two) but they are growing and not experiencing population loss. Most of the population loss is occurring in Cleveland, Youngstown, and the rural / small town areas, particularly in the Southeast part of the state.
I live part-time in Cleveland met. have a great condo which was reasonable in Lakewood, these areas are far from collapsing they’re actually beautiful, and there’s construction all over the place from my condo all the way into downtown along the shoreway , and they’re expensive and selling.
Cleveland is a declining city in a stagnant metro area. You might have some investment along the lakeshore but the rest of that city is dead and the rest of its metro area is stagnant.
@@r.pres.4121 Is that based on direct experience or something else because I grew up and worked in the Cleveland area?! I now live in New Mexico and return too visit family at least once every year. I can well imagine returning to the Cleveland area if the New Mexico becomes too hot too dry or too threatened by fires and we are already headed that direction. The Cleveland metro area is enticing for many reasons. The University Circle area is one of the most vibrant for academic, cultural and medical interests in the country. The largest metro park system IN THE WORLD is in metro Cleveland! The southeast metro area has a national park The lake activities include several beaches and boating. The are numerous places for a getaway from the Cleveland. And I could go on!!
I noticed that Youngstown had a distinct feeling of being trashy when I passed through a couple years back. You can sense the depressed local economy and boiling social issues.
@@jstoli996c4s Really?...He did it for views for a metro that didn't even make the list or he is a solo content creator who accidentally reversed the numbers?...The content was full of accurate context that makes it far from clickbait...
Growing metros next? Regarding cities on this list, a video I might have seen on YT had Detroit politicians trying to find how to remove the I-375 & local route 10 loop around Downtown area.
I'm wondering why the skyrocketing crime, homelessness, illegal immigrants, lawlessness, outrageous rent, gas & food prices, and the lack of protection for landlords, wasn't mentioned as a reason for people leaving the L.A. area. San Francisco is like something out of a dystopian Sci Fi movie, with major streets and business centers empty of people, shops closed down, only criminals, drug addicts, and the homeless occupying the streets with needles and Human excrement everywhere. Government workers are being asked to work from home because it's not safe to go to their offices in the city!!! This isn't about the weather, this government mismanagement at it's finest, the systematic break down of America and American values, while greed and opportunism reign over the needs and rights of the people!
Ohio's population is actually slowly increasing. Cleveland is also not the smallest of the 3 main cites. Depending on whose numbers you use and which statistic, it can be the largest of the 3 or 2nd. People are moving to Columbus in large numbers. It is experiencing a tech area boom in investment and workers moving to the area.
Cleveland is rapidly shrinking in population due to its economic decline and loss of major corporate business. It is a much larger scale version of Youngstown. Both Cleveland and Youngstown are in steady decline with no end in sight. Akron seems to be doing just a little bit better but it is also in decline despite some major investment in that city.
As he points out, he's talking about Metropolitan Statistical Areas, which are defined by the US Office of Management and Budget. The figures are from the US Census Bureau, and he is correct that the Cleveland MSA is the third largest in Ohio as of 2022. Nationally, in order, they are the Cincinnati MSA at 30th, the Columbus MSA at 32nd, the Cleveland MSA at 34th, the Dayton MSA at 75th, the Akron MSA at 87th, and the Toledo MSA at 94th. Oh, and the Cleveland MSA did indeed lose population, as the Census Bureau shows 2,088,251 in 2020, and 2,063,132 in 2022. The Census Bureau also shows that the Cincinnati and Columbus MSAs are the only two of those which saw growth during this period.
NYC . . . and next year America's FIRST congestion pricing to drive in the 'good' parts of the city. As much as $23+ - to enter the area. On top off the curret $16 bridge/tunnel toles to get into the city.
San Francisco has an extreme Left government that's resulted in 50% store closures; 30% office vacancies and landlords that are unable to evict violent and antisocial tenants. Everything you mentioned is true and actively made worse by local government policies.
Stay! We have too many people up here in the Northeast already, too much traffic and it’s expensive. Well yeah, because it’s a highly desirable place to live…sorta like California is. Economics will drive this and it will ebb and flow…and given the fact that generally West Coast and Northeast are generally two of the most geographic and economically desirable places to live we will be fine…perhaps better off with a few less people. Because we can’t tell the difference, sure are a lot of us left here even after all this “flight”.
It is somewhat amusing to me that people are fleeing the northern states due to the weather what with the incredibly hot temperatures in the sunbelt area and the frequency of the gulf getting mangled by tropical storms. I mean sure, it gets a little cold here from time to time, but I am at very low risk of losing my house to some natural disaster.
Its already projected that the southern growing regions are most at risk for increasing issues with Climate Change and the natural disasters those will bring....but people will still move there for jobs.
If you look it up, right here on yt, there are videos about the earth being ,I believe just past the middle of the earth switching poles. The science said this will cause a cooling trend, so..
Michigan isn’t that bad. People seem to judge it just based on Detroit and Ann Arbor, and there are many other parts of the state that are way nicer. The worst part about it is probably the current local government policies.
How messed up are your policies as a mayor and city council when you can drive people out of places as beautiful as San Francisco? Upper Midwest and New York might be hard to turnaround, but for the 3 California cities, it all comes down to leadership and good policy prescriptions.
Native New Orleanian here. I think NOLA's problem is its cost of living. While it's still a lot cheaper than most places in the country, it's still too high for what you get considering how the city kinda spits in your eye. I say that loving NOLA, but we've let our public schools down a lot, crime is high, the weather is miserable, hurricane season is an annual threat, insurance rates are high, and to top it all off, jobs don't pay well. Usually a place with this many marks against it would at least be super affordable to live in, but you can live in much nicer cities that actually have their shit together for significantly less than what it costs in NOLA. Did I mention that we're also eroding away and being reclaimed by nature? The flying cockroaches are gonna take over.
You obviously haven't been to Detroit lately. The city is undergoing a transformation with a massive amount of new building and restoration of old ones. Major companies are moving to Detroit or opening regional offices and Ford is building one of the biggest tech centers in the nation. Slums and abandoned houses are being torn down at the fastest rate ever and new housing construction is up dramatically.
Do you actually live in Detroit proper, or are you some suburban booster that's never actually lived in Detroit (and never will)? 🤔🤨 From 2010 - 2020, why did Detroit's population fall 10.5%? 🤔🧐 Why is it still falling (last I checked)? 🤔🧐
I know ppl don’t want to live where it’s cold, but if the current trend of it getting hotter every year continues, and the water issues get worse, idk that I’d want to live in the south for the foreseeable future. Always been a North Carolina fan, that’s as far south as I’d go. I’m in the Philly area now. We didn’t even get 1 snow that stuck for a full day this year. Warmest winter I ever remember
Georgia here, I agree with you 100 percent. Spent a good portion of my youth growing up in Detroit and then several years at northern military installations while serving and a few years in the St. Louis area before moving back to my birthplace area in Georgia and I can honestly say, this warming trend here in the USA is making northern states look more appealing knowing that I can do those things which are necessary to survive the shorter brutal winter months without much stress. Just need to do it before people start waking up to do the same. Definitely getting hotter on the planet.
Yet Omaha has been growing at a faster rate than nearby neighbors Des Moines and Kansas city both ar 2.25hrs and 3hrs away. Also southern city Tulsa is not growing as fast despite being in the south. Hot clammy, muggy weather year round is overrated.
The western US had a very cold, snowy winter. When it's abnormally cold in the west, it's warm in the east, and vice versa. Next season, it could be the reverse. Remember the complaints about the lack of snow in European Alps last year. But the Rockies, Sierras and Cascades had a very heavy snow year.
It's not getting hotter. I've lived in the South my entire life and the average summer is no worse than it was when I was a kid. The Southwest does have water issues, but the desert southwest in general was a completely irresponsible experiment in civilization from the beginning. Deserts are not good for humans - that we built giant cities like Phoenix, Vegas, and LA out there is pure hubris. They deserve to crumble.
I'm glad to live in a small city that experienced population declined years ago. We were forgotten and left to fend for ourselves, making us experts in hard times.
I understand the exodus South and Southwest, but considering the dire straits that the climate extremes have had on these regions, I think the movement southward may ease as drought and heat make life more difficult, even unpleasant, and prices inevitably rise as the population increases. I live in the rust belt, and things here are growing steadily (Fort Wayne) despite the crappy weather. If you're interested, check Toronto's statistics over the last decade for a study in growth despite winter hardship.
You bought up Toronto where I used to live and its a great city. The interesting question Americans should ask themselves is if moving to Canada was easier (or to Europe, Australia and New Zealand) how many would move? IMO thousands would do so. Why? Because these nations are fit-for-purpose liberal social-democracies where the average Joe & Jane Citizen is happier, healthier, safer, saner, better educated than the average Joe and Jane American. But so many Americans think these nations are 'socialist horrors'. Sad.
This whole notion that idiocy becomes an attribute our leaders should acquire because the head idiot has it, just bewilders and angers me. Really, a most dangerous infectious disease.@@epincion
@@epincionA lot of Americans are actually liberals. They would have no issue with paying more in taxes or giving the government more control over their lives if it meant being a little happier. They would literally sacrifice some freedom for comfort and security. Many would do this.
@@ChristopherX30 I agree with you that many Americans are liberals but do you really think there is a critical mass in the sense of enough citizens being sympathetic to Canadian or Australian or European liberal social democrat values where there is a strong enduring consensus that societal fairness must be weighted higher than individual freedoms - important as the latter are? What’s striking in nations like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Germany, France etc is that they believe this across the whole political spectrum of left to right ideologies and as such while their society like America is sharply divided on many issues (eg immigration) they all agree with and do not question things like state funding of a single payer health service free at point of use, free of heavily subsidised tertiary education, a broad and (by US standards) comprehensive social security network. This in my opinion does not yet exist in the US and the political system in the US means that it may never happen especially the way representation in the US Senate and the election of the President via use the electoral college and not the popular vote is all designed to heavily tip the scales in favor of de facto making the votes of rural and small town voters worth “more” than those in large urban cities. Now if anything the rise of Trumpism and MAGA ideology has shown that the millions who live in rural and small town America inhabit a very different worldview. In fact in my opinion, the US is again in a time similar to that which existed in the couple decades before the secession of the Confederacy. During the two decades before states that eventually formed the ‘South’ in the secession it was the case that they increasingly ignored or openly disobeyed federal law. Today we see this in the open defiance of TX (over its suspension of federal oversight of the border with Mexico) and of AL (over gerrymandering by its legislature) of even rulings by SCOTUS. Just yesterday the TX Governor said TX would ignore the recent SCOTUS ruling against it and still (via use of the TX National Guard) prevent federal agencies from access to the TX Mexican border. What was significant was that he said ‘what can the feds do, they are powerless’.
I think Chicago has a brighter future ahead than the numbers suggest. For young people who want to live in a dense urban city but can’t afford places in the northeast (or California if you consider LA or the Bay to be urban enough), Chicago is probably the best city for them to go to with how affordable it is in comparison. Tech companies are also expanding office space in the loop and surrounding neighborhoods, so while manufacturing jobs are declining in the city white collar and service industry jobs are doing relatively fine and in some particular industries growing significantly. It’s also probably the most well positioned city for avoiding the worst of natural disasters and climate risks that cities in the south and west and even northeast are more vulnerable to.
Chicago is perhaps the best situated top ten city for climate resilience. No major fault lines, very little risk of wildfires, well out of the way of sea level rise, hundreds of miles on any side to absorb hurricanes, and direct access to a fifth of the planet's fresh water. In a worst case scenario of inaction on climate change, Chicago may be the largest city left inhabitable within the century
no1 wants to get shot on their way to work. good luck. only reason itd get better is cause it couldnt get much worse. even tourists are mobbed and attacked. the teenagers are NUTS there
Chicago along with Duluth, Milwaukee, Grand Rapids, Detroit, Toledo, Cleveland, Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse are all in very good and safe positions in terms of climate change and will all become very attractive and lucrative cities for investment and growth in the not too distant future.
Great job on your report 👌 I moved to LA from upstate New York in 1985 when it’s LA’s metro population was 10 million. It was very crowded then as it is now except the homeless population has skyrocketed to over 100,000 in recent years, creating a new crisis. Please do a report on the homeless situation in these metro areas. Blessings brother 🙏
Many of the local governments in these areas loosing population are unwise. Tax-and-spend only helps up to a point; after you raise taxes past the point that it's cost efficient for businesses and individuals to move, you end up losing revenue as you raise taxes further. Regulations also raise the price of doing business; there are so many permits and paperwork required just to build a house in California, it's no wonder that contractors and the people they employ are moving. Just because something's a good idea doesn't mean it should be made a law. He who governs best governs least.
As someone who is really deeply researching where we want to move our family to, a lot of it comes down to real estate price. We may have picked somewhere else if it had been more affordable, but we have to look at the nicest area of the US that we can actually afford … even if that means accepting some undesirable qualities like hot muggy weather or opposing political views. If the north east were more affordable, then that’s where we would move.
When I lived in Phoenix from 2007-2009 as a public school teacher, I noticed there were a lot of people and license plates from California. One CA transplant who was a former prison guard said it costs three to four times more to live in his area of California than Phoenix. Originally from Wisconsin, I met people from Michigan, Illinois (Chicago), Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York as well.
The problem in many of these cities is terrible policies from one-party-rule.It’s bad in China…and it’s bad in California. When you don’t have competition you get poor outcomes.
It depends. California voters seem quite content with all the crime, drug use and despair on the streets, just like they were in the early 70's. It's gonna take another 8-12 years of all this rot before enough people move away/retire/die, housing prices go down, thieves stealing/stores closing before voters finally realize their bad decisions have to be overturned. Don't hold your breath--we had to wait for the early 80's before law and order returned to the streets in major California cities.
All the crime? According to FBI statistics and insurance company data, states with the highest crime rates in the US are all Republican strongholds like Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas and Oklahoma. I guess the people in these states are fine with the crime, poverty and poor infrastructure the Republican Party provide .
I think you missed the Pittsburgh actually gained population and did not decrease
Maybe he typed the numbers in correctly. I had to pause it because those numbers didn't add up.
I should know I'm one of the gains. And very happy here.
Allegheny County did lose population between 1990 and 2000, by a tiny amount. But since then it is rising again.
In 2021, the population of the Pittsburgh metropolitan area in the United States was about 2.35 million people. This was a slight decrease from the previous year , when the population was about 2.37 million people. Updated Jun 2, 2023
From what I read elsewhere, the city itself saw a drop but the larger Pitt metro did have a healthy increase. Everyone I know who lives there loves it.
As a former inhabitant of New Orleans along with my wife and with relatives still living in New Orleans, we hate it when people continue to blame Katrina. Corruption, Crime and Mismanagement are the real reasons for people fleeing the city.
With all of these cities, It’s not just about % or numbers. It’s about who is leaving. Professionals and skilled workers are leaving. Anyone with the wherewithal to leave are leaving. The tax base is leaving.
All mayor's of NO have been Democrat since 1867, according to google. Why would you expect anything else?
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.” - usually attributed to Albert Einstein.
Absolutely agree! Terrible lack of leadership & corruption. Nola is done. It’s heartbreaking.
@@fedupamerican296 Simplistic.
@@75Froggie yes, but I keep hoping they will someday learn the error of their ways.
Corrupt Politicians for DECADES
Unlike the southwest, the Midwest is not in a dire situation for water supplies and shortages. The Midwest is in an enviable situation on that one.
I am very happy to be in Northeast Ohio. The heat situation in the southern US will likely be getting worse every year.
@@kellymccormick6311Cleveland rocks!
Especially here in Omaha, we have the giant Ogallala aquifer underground ocean. Also we are growing faster than our 2:25hr and 3 hr neighbors Des Moines And Kansas City.
@@kellymccormick6311 You can say that again. The humidity is what affects you.
as a person moving from florida to michigan (detroit area) im so happy bc i cannot stand the heat anymore
I lived in rural west Tennessee my whole life, and relocated 5 years ago. In that time, I can count on two hands the number of friends who died of fentanyl overdose. Others are struggling with depression. The area I lived in depended on manufacturing that mostly disappeared around 2010. NAFTA destroyed the working class of this country.
Lyndon Johnson did.
The Republicans and Democrats with Special Interest Groups created the Narrative of America can't compete with Cheap labor from overseas.... And sent the US manufacturing to China Mexico and many other countries in order to make bigger profits for themselves and create a Political Elite that is funded by Donations of this Corporations.... As Corporate CEO's enriched themselves and politicians receive Generous Donations and Employment by these Corporations.... The Average American was stripped from their Middle Class Jobs .... Deregulation.... Defunded the Middle Class and Greedy Politicians and Corporations picked pocketed the Middle Class.
People need to stop relying on employment, and start learning to make their own living.
@@theobserver9131 not really how a modern economy works but ok.
@@theobserver9131 Mind sharing what it is you do to get by?
I think the reason why people are leaving New Orleans is because:
1. It's below sea level
2. It's prone to flooding
3. 11% chance of hurricane each year.
4. It's run down.
5. Crime in the city is really bad in some areas. Metairie & Kenner I heard are much safer.
The city is expected to be gone in the next 100 years. Some estimate that parts of the city will be underwater by as early as 2040-2050.
Indeed. In New Orleans it's going to be a battle to see how long man can hold off nature.
I also wonder if LA laws being different from the rest of the country (French law not Common Law) affects the businesses there. Very few large companies HQ in NOLA
Not only that, but people are being priced out of their homes by rising house insurance costs.
@@cyrle8090insurance should cost more in a place that's likely to be hit by hurricanes and floods. It's rational for insurance companies to encourage people to move to higher ground.
We fled Philly after the lockdown riots for Ky. Never been happier. Everyone here is so kind and I finally feel safe.
Didn't wanna become a zombie? Good choice
Unfortunately, too many are doing the same and the once safe areas will be visited by the same problems people fled. There's only so much available acreage in the South, and once every rich person buys it up to flee, there won't be anywhere nice or safe left to run for anyone else.
Whew thank God you were able to escape to a nice echo chamber
@@haroldfarquad6886 Oh well, that's capitalism.
@@draneym2003 you sound butthurt when people come to the conclusion that blue cities are cesspits and crime ridden shit holes.
I lived in Austin for 12 years and left for the MidWest. The cost of living in the warm cities is out of control, the weather is becoming a massive problem, and there is no water.
Austin is unaffordable, heavy traffic, and high cost of living overall, I spent 4 months working with realtors, couldn't make it work
@@michaelsix9684 five years i tried but I couldn’t compete with the people who could pay cash for $500k condo. I said goodbye returned to Ohio and within two months bought a home. The city is great but if it will not give you a future it’s not worth it
I lived in Austin for ten years and it sucked big time. Expensive, unfriendly, sprawled out, congested. Probably the most horrendously overrated city in America by far. Austin is not meant to be a big major city yet the stupid local leaders keep bringing in more rapid growth.
Austin was a really, really neat city in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s and even up to about 2005.
It did not plan for population growth, so it didn't make the necessary upgrades in infrastructure.
Now, they have 24/7 rush hour traffic; the cost of living is absolutely out of control; the people have become MEAN; and the summer heat is simply NOT DO-ABLE.
We left in 2015. We'll go back for a visit, but we will never, ever live there again.
@@CH3CH2OCH2CH3net I'm with you on that
Detroit native here. Interesting fact, in the 1950's, Detroit was the wealthiest city in the World. That's right...the World. I've lived in all four of the US mainland time zones, and from what I have seen and experienced living elsewhere, the decline that happened in Detroit, can happen anywhere....
To say a city was the wealthiest in the world doesn't mean anything. The wealth of a city, or nation is a nebulous concept. All the wealth can be owned by a tiny few people. The vast majority could still be poor or middle income.
@brianarbenz1329. In the 1950s the wealth of the middle class was at its peak, and Detroit was the epitome of that trend.
Exactly! Every city has their day in the sun. The cities that are currently enjoying robust economies will fall, and the cities that are on this list (which are still the most important in the country) will rise again just like they've done 100-150 years ago.
@@MoneyC225 exactly Austin Miami may seem very sexy, for now...
@@brianarbenz1329per capita income in Detroit in the 50s and 60 outstripped the rest of the USA due to the auto industry and supporting industries. It was unreal the amount of wealth in SEMichigan.
Speaking as a Wisconsinite, I wonder how many people are leaving Milwaukee for smaller, growing metros like Madison, the Fox Cities/Green Bay, Eau Claire, etc.. Those three areas (ESPECIALLY Madison) have grown quite a bit over the last couple decades.
I just moved out of Milwaukee County to Waukesha. Found a nice, quiet neighborhood and a small but decent apartment. I looked at smaller towns in the area but not a lot of rentals available. I grew up in Northern Wis and I miss it but my job is in this area now.
I live in central PA. It gets cold, we get some snow but I think everyone lumps the entire northern United States into a place where it’s really cold and always snows. North of interstate 80 in PA and in Erie and in higher elevations you’ll get lots of snow. I imagine the upper Midwest is the same way. You’ll probably won’t get as much snow in Peoria as you do in Wisconsin. At least where we live in PA, I think the winters are an overblown factor, they aren’t that bad
I'm sorry but extreme heat and humidity must of the year, is overrated and unconfortable.
Also the weather in Omaha is nowhere near as Minneapolis weather, it's between both extremes
Madison is becoming too overgrown, and TBH, the cost of living in Dane County (which is where Madison is located), let alone property taxes, are WORSE than Milwaukee County despite some good opportunities. Crime is rising up here in Madison, because we have a completely woke mayor, let alone a woke county sheriff and an incompetent governor given they were all in on pushing the "Defund the Police" BS.
@@ElectrodexifyI wholeheartedly agree on the extreme heat and humidity.
Michigan is an incredible state and I’m always happy to hear that people don’t wanna live here or that people are leaving. It’s beautiful and surrounded by fresh water lakes on 3 sides. Best kept secret and I’m glad is still a secret.
I hope to visit the UP someday. In the summer, naturally!
Yeah I agree with you, living in west Michigan is sun better than most other places
@user-qn6tf6ee1q Time to move out!! 🙂
@user-qn6tf6ee1q Terrific!!. Thanks for moving 😇
MIchigan doesn’t want to grow. Let them all go to the south. I’ll stay. I live on a lake. I lived in Dallas years ago. It sucked.
I moved to San Francisco back in August 1986 and I thought I was in heaven, The weather it never really gets very cold or very hot if it does the fog comes in and cools everything off. But, after living there so many years the cost of living was getting INSANE so I moved to Houston where the cost of living was some much bearable and I never looked back.
I’ve lived in or spent a lot of time in most of these places. The Bay Area could stand to lose a few hundred thousand more because housing and commuting are out of control. The pandemic felt like a chokehold being released. Most people there were planning to leave just because it was nearly impossible to buy a house even if you have the money. I grew up in Detroit and while there are a lot of things that are troubling today, I’ve also seen a lot of positive development. So we’ll see.
It's also important to keep perspective in mind. California in overall lost an estimated 350k population, and this is after almost it's entire history as a state featuring double-digit population growth, with 2010-2020 being the first decade California did not grow by double-digits.
Quite frankly, California needs to not grow for a while. Let housing supply catch up and reach a healthy equilibrium and try to get these housing costs to a less absurd level. I'm a lifelong Californian and the only reason I'm still here is because I inherited a house, otherwise I'd be forced to either pay unsustainable rent or pull up stakes and relocate somewhere more affordable.
@@jeremywerner9489 I lived in California for 14 years. In that time, millions of high paying jobs were created in the Bay Area alone (awesome), but only a few hundred thousand housing units were created. Having rich people with an insufficient number of places to live causes a lot of problems. Conversely, Californians have been mostly against the housing development and transit needed to make the area livable. So you get sprawl everywhere (even in places that are prone to catching on fire). It's a tough solution to solve when there are large, powerful factions, that don't want that progress to happen.
Yes, as a native of the Bay Area, the saying was once you leave, you can never afford to come back. Makes me ILL that the INFLUX of too many people especially foreign investors HAVE RUINED affordability of the Bay Area. We go through this as Californians every 12 -15 years. Oh my word people leaving CA, what a shame NOT. GO LEAVE, PLEASE. We didn't invite you all to come and ruin our State and complain all the time. Those that appreciate the beauty and dynamism and attempt at SOME SANE modern politics end up staying.
I lived in Santa Cruz county and worked in San Francisco for 12 years. Moved to Nashville in 1999 and love the freedom and better quality of life. Miss the ocean and weather and nutcases, sometimes. Haven't had anyone press me to worship Mother Earth in a long time.
@@jeremywerner9489 The problem is housing won't just "catch up". California and more specifically the Bay Area needs to copy the Canadian (Vancouver and toronto) and even Miami model of building a crap ton of high dense residential. Could you just imagine Manhattan skyscrapers in the beautiful backdrop of the Bay Area with the water and mountains?
I’m in SW Florida. I just met people from CA who were surprised how expensive it is here. Food, gas, rent, clothes, appliances. House prices seem lower until you realize that 1,700 SF is all you get - no attic, no basement. I love it here, but new people find out pretty fast that you have to make good money to live here. Oh, and I am still fixing my house after Hurricane Ian last year.
Lived in New York since 1980… I’m retiring in the near future and I can’t wait to get the hell out of here. It used to be a great place to grow up ,work and live. Not anymore! Everything is HIGH … high cost of living,high taxes, high rate of crime, even the people are high plus the political climate. I just had enough. So as soon as I retire I’m high tailing out of here.
If all you measure your happiness by is your cash flow, then go ahead to wherever. I am certain you'll start finding A LOT of drawbacks you'll find reason to complain about in the hinterland. And no action whatsoever to seriously correct them. Good luck, you'll miss what your last 43 years of life has given you...
@@dock_yard1149 I moved to San Antonio, Texas suburb, (never been happier). 2023 From Central Valley CA The nearest toll road to me is 45 miles away (easily avoided too,) and gas is $2.69 a gallon yesterday 9/3/2024- . We pay $.13 kilowatt hour (deregulated in most cities )for electricity. Also if over age 65, property taxes never change and the legislature just reduced the property tax rate last year by $100,000 of assessed value, statewide, and approved by the voters. Plus 2 other exemptions too. Disabled military here pay no property tax whatever for the rest of their life. -Try that in New York.- Going back? Not likely.! {No homeless tents. No graffiti.} Also, it is legal to defend yourself, but most people are friendly. Texas STILL has VOTER ID. No mass mailings of ballots. Deceased people were just purged from the voting registration rolls. I could go on, but enough for now. Free air smells great. Texas loves veterans.
@@dock_yard1149it's great that you like NYC. Still some people do not value the same things you like about New York city. My mom was from there and moved out when she was young and eventually moved to a small town in Appalachia. She never missed anything about New York city. She said she could now walk to the grocery store, post office, dentist office, etc and not have to worry about someone wanting to steal her jewelry or shoes.
Sometimes people don't really care about theatres, or museums, or nightlife.
They just want to be safe and feel at home wherever they are.
Mom always said you can't get that in New York city.
Peace.
As a native of New Orleans born and raised here it's not as bad but we do have our share of problems. Crime, homeless people, unemployment poverty etc. Overall The cost of living is relatively common with other metro areas. But I live in the suburbs. Somewhat lower crime but the police in Jefferson Parish don't put up with the BS that comes from New Orleans.
I think in the coming years as the southern states continue to have 6 months of oppressive heat and winters in the Midwest become more mild, we could see the opposite migration take place. In addition, the cost of living in the Midwest is considerably cheaper.
I’ve been saying the same.
I tend to agree. I live in Florida now and have since late 2000. It was great when I moved here but after 2015 or so, the heat/humidity seems a lot worse, homeowners insurance is highest in country, and freeways are packed. Now i wouldn’t want to move to a rust belt area but somewhere in between like North Carolina is looking more and more attractive.
@@peldor I live on a beautiful lake 30 miles from Detroit. I have an artesian well that never stops. As the south heats up the climate will get less severe in the north and will be the place to live. I built my house 35 years ago as did all my 9 brothers and sisters and none of us has ever had a natural catastrophe destroy a dwelling. The south has Hurricanes, Bad Tornadoes. Look what just happened in Hawaii. It’s going to get worse and worse.
Have you seen home insurance or car insurance prices in Florida? Some of the highest in the country. Parts of Florida also have seen some of the highest rent increases, along with overvalued housing markets. Texas has the 6th highest property tax and an 8% sales tax.. these places are not cheap to live. @@peldor
Doubtful a Midwest return. We have air conditioning in the South.
As someone who was born, raised, and still reside on the space coast of Florida, I can confirm that a lot of the growth in my region of Florida is due to people moving from other states. Matter of fact, some people are shock when you tell them you’re born and raised here. Granted, my mom and dad weren’t born and raised here. As they are from Savannah, Georgia. And move here after they got married.
I think that DeSantis will reverse that trend.
The sheep flock to one place because overrated weather and ruins the place for everyone else
@@MO_2023_Smart. I've been here far too long.
I remember Flipper as a kid....
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New Orleans has been plagued by a string of lack-luster (or worse) mayors who constantly battle judges over the failure to comply with various consent decrees. The city's infrastructure has been neglected badly in certain areas that result in money flowing away like the tides... because the really old water mains and drains are now literally falling apart. The city can't afford to fix it all at once and "robs Peter to pay Paul" - so fire, police, and ambulance services suffer. Schools suffer. And people exit. It will take some really tough-minded politicians to clean up the mess.
New Orleans is just ratchet period!
4WWL news keeps me very informed on the foolishness that happens in New Orleans everyday!
Honestly, I have bigger problems with the state government than the city government. The governor himself is ok, but most of the other elected officials are hot garbage, and they're ru(i)ning the state accordingly. Not even exclusive to Louisiana, either. Most southern states increasingly seem to be more akin to Russia than America.
@@kelj4517 *ahem* Cantrell *ahem* is proof black women "like her" don't care about anything but themselves. I've had the misfortune of meeting this bdub when i lived there temporarily. I'm still disturbed by the vibe she gave off to this day.
@@OGDelulu Damn, you know its free to not be racist, right?
@@ComradePhoenix Remember calling out gross incompetence and corruption may be free but its also racist
I’m 54 and live in Chicago metro. My plan is that when I turn 55 and can retire from my union job of 35 years, to move to a southern small town. The taxes and property is simply a lot cheaper. Many of the people I knew from high school or those who retired from where I work have already left for Tennessee, Florida, or Texas.
All three States with no State income tax.
The problem with the real estate market is not permits. The real problem is major investors buying up all the residential real estate and also the Airbnb is our calls in a major issue too. Until that is stopped it’s going to continue to get horrible. No one is buying houses except for investors right now.
in Houston I get calls every week, they are investors shopping for rentals
What was stated about Chicago was ridiculous. Jobs pay better in Chicago then what is paid in the South. What Chicago has, that other cities lack is an advantageous, central location. It is hub of transportation, and businesses are not required to go long distances in order to distribute goods. Also Chicago sits on a tremendous resource that many sunbelt cities do not have, and that is fresh water.
Republican Sunbelt are annually destroyed by Hurricanes,Tropical Storms,melting Heat & Humidity,low wages,starving Unemployment benefits and Welfare,Famine Retirement benefits and hospitals says that your Elderly parents/relatives signed up to avoid receiving lifesaving help such as oxygen,drugs,etc Republicans States let them died,bad experiences.
Chicago has the worst downside of them all and that's its in Illinois
@@clydedoris5002 true, but unlike those other states - Chicago rules Illinois. So really, Illinois is a non-factor. Chicago does have tremendous resources, it's an inland coastal global city, the #2 to New York as a true city. The downside of Chicago is the far left, liberalization that has resulted in the lack of, or better yet, the unenforcement of law or common sense. That, combined with the rise of China at the expense of home mfg has created the problem of the south side (and to the west side to some degree). If Chicago can get leadership that believes in morality, rules, and proper enforcement of the law AND if we can get some business back for those who need then the city can rise again and the crime will finally be removed to 'acceptable' big city levels (crime will never be eliminated, but it can become more acceptable). If Chicago can find a balance in leadership who upholds and enforces the law (also meaning, unaccept corruption) then it WILL succeed again. MCGA - Make Chicago Great Again!
Taxes truly are a killer though, and the reputation much of the city has with crime certainly doesn't help the suburbs either even if they are relatively safe.
i want to move there so bad, but i know that cold is hellish and its gonna beat my ass
I live in the Sacramento area in CA. This place is growing, but the housing prices are going up so I don't think the growth is going to last that long. As for San Francisco, it is clearly on a gradual decline to ultimate collapse at this rate. The crime is that main problem with the San Francisco area, especially Oakland.
Soon have to factor in extreme heat and paucity of fresh water. The 'old rust belt' is bound to rebound for pricing, fresh water, and soon-to-be 'temperature' advantages.
Here in Omaha, we are about the same latitude as the rustbelt, though we have been growing at a faster rate rate than even our 3hr and 2.25hr neighbors away Kansas City and Des Moines.
I guess part of it is because Omaha does not rely on manufacturing and instead other industries plus the largest Google cloud footprint in the US, and also we are being known as the Silicon Prairie of the midwest.
The “extreme heat” angle is greatly embellished. I grew up in the north and spent my adult life in the south. No significant changes in weather in 40+ years. Some summers are hotter than others, just as some winters are cooler than others. It has been several years since we have had outdoor watering restrictions. The infrastructure has caught up to the population growth in that regard. A rebound of the rust belt will be dependent on innovation and economics more so than weather some place else.
@markswan2582 Also, expanding the geologic climate scale to 4000 shows that we are cooling and that the so-called warming since the 1800s is just a blip.
First, they called it global cooling, then global warming, and since that didn't work, they changed it to climate change...
Unless they keep crashing trains of chemicals into the water.
@@markswan2582you mean, climate has always changed? Someone wanna alert the zoomers...because they seem to have short.....squirrel!
Three of my favorite podcasters moved during the pandemic illustrating this trend nicely. One moved from Oakland CA to Austin TX. One moved from NYC to suburban Atlanta. One moved from LA to the Denver area.
People don’t see any problem with sacrificing productive farmland the fastest in the country to increase population?
It’s actually seen as a positive.
Obviously the human species has become void of any instinctual self preservation.
The outcome is inevitable!!!!!!
Like 50 popular Podcaster moved to Tennessee which is super annoying for us here. Can't afford anything here anymore.
Yep one of my coworkers moved from rental property in mid Atlantic to buying a home in the south near husband's family. She's now 100% remote working from home. Why not?
@@JesusChrist2000BC Ha, funny you mention that, one of my favorite YT'ers went from Maine to Tennessee....
That's weird. All the guitar channels I watch on UA-cam moved to LA over this time period.
I love this kind of stuff. New sub. Thx.
I moved around a lot until about 20yrs. ago IL->SF->Sea->PDX->Madison->Chi.
I find it interesting why people choose to move. One thing I've always done is move to something rather than away from something.
Watching all the suburban/exturban sprawl over the past 50+ yrs. and working in tech. with a lot of people who choose those areas, I see many very "dissatisfied customers".
More congestion, more crime, increasing costs, etc. comes with the sprawl/growth package.
It might be a few decades, but I see the Midwest bouncing back eventually when prices in the Sun Belt start rising too.
The Sun Belt is also the most prone to climate change.
Start rising? They are well there...
@@schonerhimmel3367More lies pushed by woke politicians and gas guzzling uber wealthy that buy beach front properties and fly their private jets, while preaching climate change to the plebs.
Midwest? Omaha is in the midwest, yet we have been growing all this time, even faster than our 2.25 and 3hr neighbors Des Moines and Kansas City
@@schonerhimmel3367 whatever that means
Left the Chicagoland for the NW Arkansas area 2 weeks ago and never been happier.
Good choice. Just recently checked out that area and was surprised how nice it was.
@@MileageMike485 nw ark video 👀
Sure, as long as you don't have kids whose education is a priority because it's abysmal there
@@be9988 Very true. A wasteland of a state for education.
not a fan of Arkansas but i always hear that the Northwest is the best in the state
The same people that supported policies and politicians that destroyed the cities they fled will eventually do the same thing to the places they go.
Lol politicians can’t build housing and in fact won’t. Once a metro hits 6-7million it’s game over
I’m a lifelong Bay Area resident and the cost of everything here is just unbelievable. From housing, insurance, gas and food, to the extras, it’s really impossible for a young working couple to buy their own home here. A one-bedroom apartment in a bad area starts around $2,500/month. We have two populations in my county, the richer, aging, white, home-owning population, of which I am one, and the immigrant population who works here daily, but can’t afford to live here. This doubles the population during the day. These poor people must commute from cheaper areas, often two hours each way, to work at the lowest paying jobs here. No one wants to exploit them, this just happened because of their lack of English, education and technical skills. Homelessness, crime and open drug use are big problems, too. I can no longer walk my daily route because a big, nasty tent city is set up there. These aren’t immigrants or out of work families, they are aged hippies who prefer this lifestyle and mostly junkies who shoot up openly. The small city where I live keeps adding more services for them, free dining rooms, food banks, give away centers, clinics, etc., but not policing them. So, they keep flowing in from across the country to get this free lifestyle and the mild weather here. Thank you for your interesting video.🙂
I’m a native San Franciscan and I understand what your saying. I thought it was a fabulous place to grow up but unfortunately it’s changed so much that it’s unrecognizable.
Californication is happening everywhere thanks for nothing
@robinnewman. As you stated the cost of living in the bay area is high. Do you think there is a connection between high rents and homelessness?
Or do we just have a huge population of low life individuals? You stated policing the problem to be the answer. I guess if they locked them all up your problem would be solved. The hippie generation are closing in at 80 yrs. old. That statement regarding hippies is a sign that you do not fully understand homelessness, nor do you realize that those hippies are responsible for peace, civil rights, woman's rights, the state's environmental and ecological preservation. Ca. It is the most progressive, best economy in the nation, fifth in the world.
Based on your opening statements you could easily be homeless yourself. And the immigrant population. They survive here amazingly by being frugal and entrepreneurial. They buy houses by banding together renting out spare rooms pooling incomes to start small businesses. I personally know hundreds of immigrants who now have a standard of living that is very affluent and are thriving because of hard work and ingenuity. Perhaps you should continue your walk routine through the tent area without judgment and disgust. Add some empathy and understanding. Make an analysis from this new mind set. Lasty, take a lesson from the migrants, make the sacrifices necessary to get ahead. They are doing better at surviving than young whites. Why?
Or you could move to Boisy Idaho and join all of the racist judgmental white trash that has gone there for a better life. (Now that is also judgmental of me)
There is a reason why other places are cheaper to live in. (Once you get there you will realize how good you had it here.) The opportunities here are extraordinary for those who tap into the possibilities. Others sit on their ass and complain.
It is competitive here. Are you ready to be competitive?
Democrats just enable them. Never vote Democrat. Republicans aren’t perfect but Democrats are bat shit crazy. You wouldn’t spoil your children why would you spoil transients. It’s common sense
Yeah, no one wants to exploit those poor immigrants, definitely not the large corporations employing them and paying them a shit wage while the city becomes more and more of an expensive landfill by the day
Heck, even the Chicago Bears are fleeing Chicago for the suburbs.
Yup I’m sure all the sports teams except the cubs will follow suit unless something changes
I heard they're moving to Rockford
Meaning that you don’t understand why the Bears are moving as they have the smallest stadium in the NFL.
@@drstevej2527 Meaning they should have never built a stadium in a concrete jungle to begin with.
@@brentoncode4257
Are you a child or simply don’t know that Solider Field is a national landmark that cannot be torn down and is almost a 100 years old. It’s on Lake Michigan but unlike stadiums in BFE real cities come with real populations and high property values.
Very informative video! I visit, and like, Cleveland, Detroit and Pittsburgh a lot.
The pandemic did kick off a serious surge of moving into places like Nashville, where I have been since 2016. Rents started skyrocketing like crazy around that time, and to me it looked like investors were totally playing to couples or families looking to leave cities like what were highlighted in this video for affordable (notably NYC and Los Angeles). Oddly enough, you will also notice the ever-increasing price of housing and rent along with an ever-growing homeless problem getting worse even in cities that are increasing in population (Nashville was one of the very worst with this), so maybe stay tuned for some sort of rebound activity in the future once people get turned off about things like that. If anything, longer-standing citizens of the growing cities are basically getting priced out and moving to areas further away from the entire metro area they started with.
I live in Old Hickory. Moved back when California really started going down the tubes in 1999 because I still had family here.
We're seeing this en-masse in FL, to the point where a lot of born-and-bred Floridians are leaving for places like Ohio, Illinois and Pensylvania cause we've been forced out of our own homes by investment firms and landlords who're renting to New Yorkers and Californians.
The folks from California make me giggle, cause FL is basically CA 2.0 (klan edition) and all they're really doing is swapping mountains for swamps and forest fires for hurricanes.
If they can move. Otherwise, they just join the street throng.
God is traffic ever horrible and getting worse in Nashville. I think that LA is the only place I've seen worse traffic in the US.
It wasn’t the pandemic, it was the (Democrat) politicians.
the part that gets on my nerves in the us is that when shit gets rough we flee to another city or town instead of fixing the problem within our cities
Correction, Cincinnati's metro also has seen growth. Not just Columbus. Though Columbus is the only one getting sunbelt level growth.
So people fled the inner cities for the suburbs, then finally even left the suburbs for greener or redder pastures.
This video should be reposted without the errors in the numbers shown and/or spoken for the Pittsburgh and Milwaukee metro areas. I was quite confused at first and had to go back and replay those two metros to understand the intent.
And some of these metros are part of CMSAs, which I wonder if considered instead, would still be on this list or not.
I left CA for AZ a few years ago. I couldn't afford a house in CA. I couldn't even afford an apt. in CA without having roommates. In AZ, I can afford my small house on my large piece of land. The cost of living here is so much lower.
There's also a huge out migration of people moving out of the Miami metro area now. Too expensive. But it's being replenished with rich assholes from other planets.
No no too much crime
Red state policies didn't work
Honestly that goes for most of FloriDUH
Native Floridians seem to be moving to Georgia.
@@willp.8120 And if I ever move out of Florida I'll know which state to not move to.
@@willp.8120 Or even KY
The story continues of lost population across the industrial heartland of the Midwest. On the other hand, cities like Toronto and Montreal in Canada - colder than most of the ones in this list - are growing. Toronto's metro area has overtaken Chicagoland in size and is the fastest growing city in North America. The explanation has much to do with immigration policy.
Not enough housing. Too many coming in too fast. Losing what little farm land we have. The shield can not be farmed. It is a massive disaster.
@@dawnelder9046We should either focus solely on densifying, NIMBYs be going to hell, or we do an economic degrowth, or we favor smaller cities... which will probably not have the same policies regarding sprawl, and thus will sprawl more and eat more farm areas in the process...
Are you saying inside Toronto's city limits is growing? The towns outside Chicago's city limits continue to grow.
@@dawnelder9046 lol you guys are SO doomed up there. We're only slightly better off down in the states, and I mean slightly.
@@razorsharp8549 Toronto is growing massively inside its city limits (and outside too).
Mayor Duggan is doing a bang up job recently, he has bone more in a few years than the last few did in over 40 years. Downtown is booming like no other time in recent history, the food and entertainment scene is exploding. A considerable number of the empty lots left behind by abando demo has been filled by orchards, greenhouses, well maintained extended lots and even a couple vineyards. Still a lot of desolation but detroit has gone leaps and bounds just since Kwame Kilpatrick
I live in a rural area of Hawaii. Long ago, before statehood in 1959, tourism was the tiny sliver of our economy. Most of it was a combination of the military during the Cold War, plus mechanized agriculture, such as sugarcane, and pineapple. Large plantations employed hundreds of workers, providing housing, and many utilities at either lol or no cost. In return, workers did manual labor it barely minimum wage. it was a means of advancing in society, for the mostly immigrant labor population, hoping for a better life for their American born children. The industry was subsidized by import restrictions, designed to keep out for an agricultural products, the same as the rest of the American agricultural industry. However, with the eventual elimination tion of restrictive import trade tariffs, mass agriculture became less viable. Large and small scale head to culture began dying off in the 1980s. In Hawaii, the big sugar plantations that had existed for over a century, declined from over 100, to almost 0. Family farms on the mainland US, began experiencing bankruptcies. After statehood in 1959, how are you experienced mass immigration from the mainland US as well as usual. Housing prices skyrocketed, doubling at least once every decade. you might is form a modest home that might’ve cost you $5000 in the 1950s, would cost $10,000 in the 1960s, $20,000 in the 1970s, $40,000 in the 1980s, etc. The median price of a single-family home where I live in a rural area, is presently $600,000. The median household income in Hawaii is something like $70,000. That roughly translates into being able to afford a home that cost $210,000. Further complicating the problem is that the nearest mainland port is approximately 2500 miles away in California, about the same distance from Los Angeles to New York City. Any domestic goods must be imported that distance. In general, the cost of living here is about double the rest of the country. In general, a university graduate here must decide whether to move to some mainland city, where they can earn double the pay, for half the living expense. Or they can stay here where the crime rate is a fraction of what it is in any average mainland municipal area. Too often, the graduate takes their education to a mainland urban area, depriving Hawaii of yet another graduate.
Not sure if I am correct, but the Big Island seemed slightly less expensive than Maui, but the Big Island still made California look like a bargain.
I could be wrong on that, because I was just a tourist in both.
@@manfredmann2766 Bought my first home on Kauai in 1993, in the recession that followed a major hurricane.$240,000 for an acre of agricultural zoned land with a four bedroom house on it. We considered ourselves lucky that the price had been lowered from $275 thousand. At one time, blocks away, a few years earlier, empty quarter acre residential zoned lots on the zext street over, were selling for $250 thousand. (Translates to $1 million per acre.) A few years before that, mr brother’s friend bought 3 acres of unimproved agricultural land on Hawaii island for $12 thousand, or $4 thousand per acre. No water other than rain catchment. (Impossible to drill a well into lava rock.) Many relatives live in rural Iowa, where farmlamd sells for $1100 to $2000 per acre. Abundant water, shaky access to roads and other public utilities. Where do you live?
yes, it does appear that the Hawaiian leadership has screwed the pooch as far as economic development of their islands. No apparent plan whatsoever except to maximize gouging the tourists. you have to grow your own fruits and vegetables despite thousands of acres going fallow. Lucky it is paradise.
In order to cope with skyrocketing housing prices, just ask anyone from LA or the Bay Area. One has to become a real estate expert to live there on a normal salary, but it can be done. Best of luck!
It appears that housing isn't that expensive in Waianae 🤪
I left my mainland home to study in Hawai’i for a graduate degree-I would have loved to remain in Hawai’i permanently but the financial cost of living there versus the advantages of returning to the mainland were huge. I will always love and miss Hawai’i but couldn’t afford to live there permently!😊
I live in Raleigh, NC and was born and raised here. Our region is absolutely exploding. There are houses and apartment complexes going up everywhere. Traffic is getting worse every day. And all these people are probably coming from the places you mentioned.
Yep. The good places in the South are being colonized by refugees. Once enough of them come, they won't be nice places anymore - just overcrowded, expensive, urban sprawl with no peace and quiet like the cities they're fleeing. Nashville, Raleigh, Charlotte, and Atlanta are becoming unlivable with the prices and crowding.
My mom lives in Raleigh and it's pretty crazy.
I first visited Raleigh in 2018, and was just there in 2022. The growth is quite evident. The price of housing has gone up exponentially, and there is much more traffic. Downtown Raleigh holds a lot of potential.
over 30 thousand people have moved there recently and it's crowded
The places named in this video simply have too many people. The population needs to drop in these larger areas. But people who live in smaller areas will easily notice a change in the population. Many of the locals aren't going to like it. The people moving in will like it because it is a less stressful life when the population isn't as large.
I noticed that your map shows population growth in Northern New England. For some reason, people are moving to NH and VT and even to ME which gets really cold. It's possible that some are fleeing climate change which seems to be cranking up the temperatures in the sun belt.
A complicating factor is the growth of snowbird living. People who have one residence in Chicago and another in Florida and so forth may be unsure where to list their principal address for the purpose of Census counts and other Census Bureau surveys. The big increase in retirees, and semiretired people who work online also has likely fueled the move away from these older, colder metro areas.
Smart observation
Easy solution. Who do you pay your taxes to? That is your home state.
@@robertdubois3448 Yes, but they may pay income taxes to one state, but property taxes, sales taxes and occupational taxes to another.
they reside officially in Florida and therefore have no state income tax.
Yes, right into hellish places like the Gulf Coast. Within the next few years states like Florida and Texas will start losing population. Not just climate change, but authoritarian, right-wing, nasty politics. Oh, and the inability to get homeowner's insurance.
The thought of someone relocating to Florida and expecting a low cost of living is in for a very rude awakening. And as for the weather being great? Depends on whether you enjoy hot and humid. I grew up in Florida and couldn't wait to leave. We finally moved to Madison 25 years ago and have never looked back.
That's laughable. You know nothing about Florida, obviously.
@@markthomas913 I lived in Florida for the better part of 40 years. I was there visiting in June and I have plenty of friends and family that still live there. I am curious though which statement I made you disagree with? Is it not hot and humid in Florida? Because it sure was in June when I was there. As for the cost of living the modest home that I bought in 93 and sold in 97 in Fort Lauderdale was recently up for sale for over $1 million. Friends and relatives that live there. Tell me that homeowners insurance is through the roof and from personal experience not more than a few weeks ago I can tell you that going out to eat in Fort Lauderdale and Miami is stupidly expensive. So again I ask which statement I made you disagree with?
I live in Florida now. The Weather is pleasant to me. The cost of living is quite acceptable to me as a retired Veteran (Ranger).
I wouldn't be dynamited from my home here.
Keep your freezing winters, high taxes and Democrat corrupt Government way from me.
To each his own. BTW, I ride motorcycles to the beach almost daily and entertain lovely women regularly. Tanned, thin 50+ unvaxed, intelligent and sexy.
You enjoy what you have.
@@markthomas913 Bless your little heart. Sounds like you are exactly where you should be. You should definitely stay put and hang on to your sweltering weather, your hurricanes, your high crime and expensive housing cost. As for the comment about currupt politicians I'd say the majority of them are living in Tallahassee and Mar A Lago.
@@pedroV2003
you Yankees are funny.
LOVE your style, Mike. You keep politics out of it and simply let people draw their own conclusions, and it's next to impossible to find anything to disagree with you on.
I like that about Mike as well, but it's a shame we have to compliment someone for simply keeping politics out of something since it's become the norm these days.
@@albertjewell1963 The presence of an extreme right wing party funded by the billionaires who are literally buying everything has made politics incredibly important- life and death even.
@@jaymum23 yes it must be the right's fault that all the left controlled cities have turned into complete shitholes in the last few decades ... i dont even consider myself politically right and even i see a comment like yours and think "man, wake the hell up"
I know Chicago city proper has slightly lost population, but the metro has rebounded in 2023. Stagnant i guess, but not shrinking.
I have lived in Phoenix, AZ and Las Vegas, NV over the past 40 years and was always surprised at how many Californians had also bought a house in Phoenix or Vegas as an investment. Many of them over the years finally made the move. The number 1 reason was cost of living in CA. Business owners because of the oppressive regulations and cost of doing business.
Immigration and the Rustbelt were also factors
@@stephk6543 Loss of jobs overseas
I always believed weather to be the no.1 motivator for folks who have the means to uproot and relocate (companies too). Upstate NY appears to be crawling back in population as temps become more unbearable in the south. Maybe the Midwest will grow back soon as well.
This is my thought process too. As we've seen record high temps for multiple days in a row in the south, the weather is just fine in WNY. I'll deal with the snow instead of baking in the summer.
That was absolutely my number one priority when leaving Austin for the Rocky Mountains. I now live at 7,800 feet, where we do not even have air conditioning. Lately, we have been experiencing a heat wave, with highs sometimes reaching into the low 80s, but it still drops into the 50s at night. The winters are also beautiful. Typical highs are in the 30s, but it is always sunny and dry, so I often leave the house without a coat.
Climate and weather will continue to change. Crime, housing and employment availability, healthcare and educational advantages are all considerations when relocating. Smaller communities will thrive in the future.
in Houston we've had no rain for 32 days now, temps over 100 degrees for almost 3 plus weeks, never been this hot before, can't wait to leave
@@princesskat814WNY has the most perfect summers in the country. Low humidity, access to lots of lakes, friendly people.
Metropolitan areas in the United States focus on counties no matter they're urban, semi-urban, suburban or rural. I once made a US county map about the population of MSAs including CSAs, but after looking at the map, I can decide which metro area in the US I wish to stay in if I dream to work there.
Yeah. Occasionally it can be distorted by some places that have large counties like San Bernardino and Riverside in California.
Urban areas are much better fits. They use census blocks as their building blocks, but the Census Bureau can't estimate changes to urban areas. The data is only released every ten years after censuses. Since the 2020 census was held at the very beginning of the pandemic (basically only NYC had deaths before Census Day.), pandemic changes won't be visable until the 2030 Census. Urban areas data will likely not be known until late 2032.
@@MileageMike485, as you mention 2 counties, they form the Inland Empire. Sure they're mostly rural but the urban area focuses their county seats and its satellites and suburbs.
Metro areas in the US I decide to pick are in Seattle, Boston, Denver and San Diego.
yes, an interesting case is Jacksonville in Florida and St.John county .Are the city and county one ?
I think that it’s only a matter of time before the falling prices of the Midwest. the rising prices - and insurance premiums - of Florida, and the lack of water in the Southwest will begin to attract companies, jobs, and residents back to the Midwest. Already, Intel has announced a huge new semiconductor manufacturing facility near Columbus, Ohio, as well as design engineering facilities near Ohio State and Michigan. Balance will eventually kick in.
Doubt that
Good Florida needs a good clean out.
Nope. All my life was Detroit will come back. Never did
@@thepamela050 Nope. Florida is getting more crowded because people are sick of crime ridden blue cities
@@king77solomon30 That's not the fault of the natives of Florida..Why should we have to suffer with overcrowding because other's made bad choices and aren't brave enough to stand and fight for their cities and states..That's like ruining your home then expecting to live in homes of those that made better choices..
I think what people are going to eventually have to come to terms with; is that the only real places where you can buy your „dream home“ is in „undesirable“ states like Kansas, Nebraska, N&S Dakota, Missouri. These states all have extremely low cost of living and an extremely affordable housing market
You’re correct on that. I’m currently exploring some of these areas and the cost of living is very reasonable but most Americans seem to have forgotten this part of the country exists.
The winters in these places are dreadful-long and cold, with short days and gray skies. You live 3X as much in Florida-simply because you can get outside and enjoy life. Sitting at home while a blizzard rages is not for me.@@MileageMike485
Those of us who live in the Midwest do not find it ‘undesirable’ in fact many great places to live , just keep your dumb liberal ideas in the failing cities, thank you!
@@MileageMike485 I'm fine with them overlooking my state. We already have too many people here.
I love your point about MSA-vs-City. That said, a counter-example: CITY of Dallas routinely tries to take credit for the dynamism of DFW at large, leading it to rest on its laurels and waste money on boutique projects rather than "fix the potholes" issues. So there's a balance there. Enjoying your work and subscribing.
Seattle is similar, when in fact the suburbs of Redmond and Bellevue account for MOST of the GDP, and Tacoma is very underrated. Yes, like Dallas, Seattle is the most dominant city of the Seattle-Tacoma metro but unlike Dallas, Tacoma (nor the Seattle suburbs of Redmond and Bellevue) RARELY gets any credit or even mention whereas people always say DFW or Dallas-Ft Worth.
Midwest is gorgeous at this time of year! I have been in Arizona and Florida in the summer, and we are enjoying unparalleled beautiful weather! That’s why many northerners have two homes, one for the summer, one for the winter.
The population growth of Metro Atlanta is insane. My original hometown of Douglasville is unlivable at his point because of overcrowding, cost of living, crime, and lack of upkeep in the city. Not to mention that as more wealthy transplants move in to the city and gentrify, they're forcing longtime city residents into the suburbs, and the two populations don't usually mesh well. Makes me wish these other metros would take their people back lol.
Overcrowding in Douglasville? Is this a joke?!
@@jordan234674😂😂
Downtown Douglasville looks like a time capsule from the 1950’s. Just because they finally built a Walmart doesn’t mean that growth is out of control.
@@edgein3299 you can’t compare downtown with the rest of the city. Highway 5, Chapel Hill, Fairburn Rd.. all those areas are slap full and traffic is terrible. Wasn’t like that 20 years ago.
@@jordan234674 not sure where you’re from, but if you had seen Douglasville 20 years ago, you’d see my point. Once the mall and all those new shopping centers started to pop up, people flooded in.
I was dragged kicking and screaming from St Paul to Milwaukee, and wound up loving the place. I still prefer the twin cities, but Milwaukee is okay.
When you go, get to as many family owned restaurants as you can. I never had a bad experience with Milwaukee real restaurants.
7:24 after Katrina, MANY people were relocated. I work with lots of people that were affected by the hurricane. When they saw there were more jobs in Chicago, whole families moved here
It's really sad to see the state of cities like Cleveland, Detroit, New Orleans, Buffalo, and Baltimore. All of them have rich histories and have taken big falls from grace. Whereas the state of places like the Bay Area, LA, NYC, Boston, and now even Miami makes me angry because these places have relatively good standards of living if you can shell out enough money for a substandard studio apartment or have 4 roommates. These cities are so expensive that even the suburbs are losing population because they too are overpriced. And the causes of this are so evident. NIMBYs and zoning restrictions artificially constrain the amount of housing that can be built in these areas, preventing dense, affordable homes and apartments to be constructed. They always have bs excuses for why they can't build more housing. They just want their property values to go up with no consideration for others who might want to live in an area that clearly has room for more people.
Also some other (dis)honorable mentions that I think are noteworthy: Memphis, Jackson, the aforementioned Boston, Buffalo, Rochester, and St. Louis. Denver, Portland, and Seattle too to a lesser extent because their growth has slowed a lot but is still positive, mainly due to the cost of living.
They are expensive because of high demand. It's cheap to live where nobody wants to be.,
@@TommyJonesProductionson the other hand people will be attracted from expensive to cheap areas simply due to personal finance reasons, which changes where the "in demand" areas are.
Ultimately when a city is hemorrhaging population its because of something more than just people wanting to be there so its expensive. (A common problem is excessive R1 zoning preventing the necessary densification that a pure free market would provide to keep overall prices down, this is obviously the problem if you enable anything denser than R1 and only ever get skyscrapers to try and relieve the demand/pressure)
Buffalo is on the rise again
from miami, can confirm you have to work 2 jobs to get by or split bills with family or roommates
Buffalo is doing very well right now. You should come back and visit.
Chicago's current population is 2.704 million, which is less than 2020, but more than 2021 or 2010 for that matter. It still has some good things: public schools that actually function (if you take the trouble to PICK the school, we have the ability to choose what public schools our kids go to), great libraries and museums, some safe neighborhoods that are actually affordable and safe. There are still jobs here.
I love Chicago and it’s an amazing city but none of the good neighborhoods are affordable unless you make well over 100k/year. Which is great if you fall under that category but not so much for the middle class. Gotta have a thriving middle class otherwise you’ll turn into San Francisco or San Jose. There is nice neighborhoods in the suburbs that are affordable but then you’re not in Chicago anymore. Still love Chicago though it’s a great city. I’m rooting for Chicago.
Love Chicago. Miss Chicago. But too damn expensive in Chicago. I want to go back home, but I've saved thousands moving out of Chicago.
You also forgot mass transit. However the area and the state is corrupt. I would live in NW Indiana
@@Cyrus992 I live in NWI. I have quit going to Chicago due to crime and the corrupt mayors people have elected. I keep my money and spend it in IN.We used to take short weekend trips to IL, but now we go to southern IN.
@@kennethcurtis1856 Interesting. I was in Chicago in September of last year. Still pretty attractive. Looks like it is going through a rough several years.
I left Massachusetts for South Carolina 3yrs ago because of the rent prices yes I am happy
10:00 That Los Angeles skyline mysteriously looks like the Denver, Colorado skyline.
also looks very similar to houston except no mountains
It's LA believe me.
Mountains. You should see SLC and Boise's skylines.
No it doesn't. As a native Californian, I can tell it doesn't. The mountain in the background is Mt. San Antonio, otherwise known as Mt. Baldy. It's not the Colorado Rockies.
The Great Lakes/Midwest area has fresh water available. Weather and climate aren't paradise, but they've been called "boring" because of their lack of catastrophes. Also, the infrastructures are mostly in place and paid for. I'd say the future might turn out well.
Give Biden's new invaders some time to relocate and breed....
#1 stay the hell away from the Lakes. its not ur spot. #2 the water in michigan is DISGUSTING and our infrastructure is crumbling under the masses. traffic is intolerable for the area. and more people= more pollution destroying the lakes even worse. #3 the midwest gets rocked by ef5 tornadoes and gets leveled. and michigan gets storms like the finger of God came down, so, ure not correct. at all. im stockin ammo starting now for my family to defend the water in the future. u wanna live by lots of fresh water? pop open google maps and find something bigger in canada
I wouldn't say cleveland has a "lack of catastrophes" sadly
The quality of your videos is very high. I enjoy the no-nonsense format.
super stoked to see san jose so high on the list! i’m glad we’re finally getting recognition
all jokes aside, i really hope that local government can figure it’s shit out and get more housing built. i love it here and i’d hate to have to leave because i can’t afford it anymore
Excellent video, but I did notice that your map included San Jose as part of the SF metro area, which would be fine if you hadn't listed San Jose metro separately. 🤔
My wife and I were born and raised in the Southern Cal area of Torrance / Redondo Beach.
But I retired from Aerospace in late 2013 at the age of 51...to raise our kids in Anthem AZ.
We stayed in Anthem AZ for 5 years until a great job offer to Houston for my wife in the medical industry.
We bought a brand new 4K+ sq ft. house on the outskirts of Houston and had a nice living...except for the Heat, Humidity, Mosquitos etc... We live there for 5 years until opportunity knocked again. With a GREAT offer and more $$ we moved back to CA (Anaheim Hills).
We collectively need to stay and fight for change in our communities. And VOTE for improvement and change...don't run away from the challenges of life!
It wouldn't surprise me that by the year 2035 Texas becomes the most populous state and contains 3 of the top 10 largest metropolitan areas. That being DFW, Houston, San Antonio- Austin ( which is quickly becoming one metro region with uninterrupted urban sprawl between the two cities)
The growth is insane and annoying as well. A person cannot drive anywhere in the state (practically) without being held up in person or in traffic (JK!). We finally moved away from Austin after 15 years. I just couldn't take it any longer.
Texas is a hellhole 😮
Texas' poor electric system will turn lots of people away.
TEXa$$ state government is ruled at the top by 3 nasty people, Gov, Lt Gov, and (now suspended due to indictment, thank god) DA. They F'd up the cold snap that cut off power, they F'd up waiting out the Uvalde massacre, and they just pander everything to the right wing nut job base. They threw away all reasonable restrictions on carrying guns of any kind around, and now they passed laws that DENY outdoor workers minimal rest and water breaks. It's outright oppression in TEXa$$. Anyone who isn't white+xtian+wealthy should look to get out. The 2 US senators are jokes as well, esp Cancun Cruz, who couldn't be more of a parody of a corrupt US politician.
@@howardj602we’ve been dealing with this heat in Texas for many generations. People are still coming here in droves it’s crazy
The demand for housing in these cities keeps rising, hence the higher costs of living. There are some people moving to live cheaper, but the demand for housing in large cities remains. Of course, a lot of people who moved to Texas for lower costs realize they can't keep the electricity on, but they're stuck until they can afford to move back.
Thankfully solar is really saving the Texas power grid this summer despite it having days and stretches of even worse heat than what we saw last year when there were a few days in July that the grid was close to having rolling blackouts.
@@homerthompson416give it time.
@@homerthompson416 The problem is big oil and the saudis have been lobbying to get rid of solar incentives so really only rich people can have solar
don't move to TX now, too much crime, traffic, housing is pricey, and ins. costs are high, I need to leave after nearly 40 plus yrs.
Regarding Detroit, it is of some significance that the city is also a hub for Windsor, Ontario, located just across the narrow river. Toledo is just beyond the state line. Ohio and Ontario license plates are commonplace in Metro Detroit as New Jersey plates are in New York City.
No mention of "congestion" or "inability to use public transit by reason of crime." Americans still have a bottomless patience with wasting time, and with taking chances with personal safety (from accidents even more than crime). It's always SOME OTHER GUY that gets hit over the head, until it's YOU and then your voice won't be heard any more.
I enjoy these videos on trends. Interesting where people move to and the reason why
Your NY/NJ analysis is spot on.
As for San Francisco, just do a UA-cam search for that city for store closings as well as store theft.
Its a third world city, I searched and it's a ghost town. Looks like liberal people have less and less wind to push the progresdive agenda.
I am surprised metros like Providence RI, Hartford CT, Baltimore MD and Wilmington DE didn't make the list. I usually think the northeast is declining more than the midwest.
I think Hartford is stabilized by the insurance industry and the relative wealth of its surrounding suburbs.
Wilmington and Baltimore are considered mid-Atlantic areas. Delaware's population had grown, especially below the C&D canal in areas such as Middletown, Smyrna, and Dover, where developments are springing up, and of course, the opening of Rt. 1 in the early 2000s have brought many people moving from Wilmington and north to below the canal where houses are more affordable and of course be able to commute to Wilmington and Baltimore/DC area. The beaches of DE & MD are also drawing people to move to Delaware.
I would offer a correction here about Ohio. The state- as a whole- has lost population, but Ohio's major cities are holding steady or experiencing growth. Columbus is the only city that is growing significantly. Cincinnati and Dayton are SLOW growers ( Dayton being the slower of the two) but they are growing and not experiencing population loss. Most of the population loss is occurring in Cleveland, Youngstown, and the rural / small town areas, particularly in the Southeast part of the state.
I live part-time in Cleveland met. have a great condo which was reasonable in Lakewood, these areas are far from collapsing they’re actually beautiful, and there’s construction all over the place from my condo all the way into downtown along the shoreway , and they’re expensive and selling.
Cleveland is a declining city in a stagnant metro area. You might have some investment along the lakeshore but the rest of that city is dead and the rest of its metro area is stagnant.
@@r.pres.4121 Is that based on direct experience or something else because I grew up and worked in the Cleveland area?! I now live in New Mexico and return too visit family at least once every year. I can well imagine returning to the Cleveland area if the New Mexico becomes too hot too dry or too threatened by fires and we are already headed that direction.
The Cleveland metro area is enticing for many reasons. The University Circle area is one of the most vibrant for academic, cultural and medical interests in the country.
The largest metro park system IN THE WORLD is in metro Cleveland!
The southeast metro area has a national park
The lake activities include several beaches and boating.
The are numerous places for a getaway from the Cleveland.
And I could go on!!
@@r.pres.4121Facts. 💯.
I noticed that Youngstown had a distinct feeling of being trashy when I passed through a couple years back. You can sense the depressed local economy and boiling social issues.
If Pittsburgh went from 2.349 million in 2020 to 2.370 million in 2022, how is that a loss?
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I’m guessing he mixed up the numbers. 😂
@@blitz12399 I second that
@@jstoli996c4s Really?...He did it for views for a metro that didn't even make the list or he is a solo content creator who accidentally reversed the numbers?...The content was full of accurate context that makes it far from clickbait...
@@ghost_mall How do you clickbait with census data anyway?...How about just asking if he reversed those numbers in the first place?
Growing metros next?
Regarding cities on this list, a video I might have seen on YT had Detroit politicians trying to find how to remove the I-375 & local route 10 loop around Downtown area.
Yeah it would be a good idea to show the other side of the spectrum.
I'm wondering why the skyrocketing crime, homelessness, illegal immigrants, lawlessness, outrageous rent, gas & food prices, and the lack of protection for landlords, wasn't mentioned as a reason for people leaving the L.A. area. San Francisco is like something out of a dystopian Sci Fi movie, with major streets and business centers empty of people, shops closed down, only criminals, drug addicts, and the homeless occupying the streets with needles and Human excrement everywhere. Government workers are being asked to work from home because it's not safe to go to their offices in the city!!! This isn't about the weather, this government mismanagement at it's finest, the systematic break down of America and American values, while greed and opportunism reign over the needs and rights of the people!
Ohio's population is actually slowly increasing. Cleveland is also not the smallest of the 3 main cites. Depending on whose numbers you use and which statistic, it can be the largest of the 3 or 2nd.
People are moving to Columbus in large numbers. It is experiencing a tech area boom in investment and workers moving to the area.
Cleveland is rapidly shrinking in population due to its economic decline and loss of major corporate business. It is a much larger scale version of Youngstown. Both Cleveland and Youngstown are in steady decline with no end in sight. Akron seems to be doing just a little bit better but it is also in decline despite some major investment in that city.
As he points out, he's talking about Metropolitan Statistical Areas, which are defined by the US Office of Management and Budget. The figures are from the US Census Bureau, and he is correct that the Cleveland MSA is the third largest in Ohio as of 2022. Nationally, in order, they are the Cincinnati MSA at 30th, the Columbus MSA at 32nd, the Cleveland MSA at 34th, the Dayton MSA at 75th, the Akron MSA at 87th, and the Toledo MSA at 94th. Oh, and the Cleveland MSA did indeed lose population, as the Census Bureau shows 2,088,251 in 2020, and 2,063,132 in 2022. The Census Bureau also shows that the Cincinnati and Columbus MSAs are the only two of those which saw growth during this period.
If you actually live in the LA metro area its hard to be too sad about people leaving, maybe housing costs and traffic will decrease a little
NYC . . . and next year America's FIRST congestion pricing to drive in the 'good' parts of the city. As much as $23+ - to enter the area. On top off the curret $16 bridge/tunnel toles to get into the city.
San Francisco has an extreme Left government that's resulted in 50% store closures; 30% office vacancies and landlords that are unable to evict violent and antisocial tenants. Everything you mentioned is true and actively made worse by local government policies.
Scott Adams' statements come to mind as a reason why
Uh-oh you just committed a "Truth Crime".....
Actually, I’d love to move to a more northern state, especially after this summer!
Go!
4 seasons give you a break
Stay! We have too many people up here in the Northeast already, too much traffic and it’s expensive. Well yeah, because it’s a highly desirable place to live…sorta like California is. Economics will drive this and it will ebb and flow…and given the fact that generally West Coast and Northeast are generally two of the most geographic and economically desirable places to live we will be fine…perhaps better off with a few less people. Because we can’t tell the difference, sure are a lot of us left here even after all this “flight”.
It is somewhat amusing to me that people are fleeing the northern states due to the weather what with the incredibly hot temperatures in the sunbelt area and the frequency of the gulf getting mangled by tropical storms. I mean sure, it gets a little cold here from time to time, but I am at very low risk of losing my house to some natural disaster.
And those already hot, storm-wracked areas will just get worse over the next few decades.
There is no safe place on planet earth, no matter where you live there is a possibility of extreme acts of God.
Its already projected that the southern growing regions are most at risk for increasing issues with Climate Change and the natural disasters those will bring....but people will still move there for jobs.
If you look it up, right here on yt, there are videos about the earth being ,I believe just past the middle of the earth switching poles. The science said this will cause a cooling trend, so..
@@fedupamerican296 nope. That's not the overwhelming consensus.
Really interesting video! Enjoyed it!
Michigan isn’t that bad. People seem to judge it just based on Detroit and Ann Arbor, and there are many other parts of the state that are way nicer. The worst part about it is probably the current local government policies.
How messed up are your policies as a mayor and city council when you can drive people out of places as beautiful as San Francisco? Upper Midwest and New York might be hard to turnaround, but for the 3 California cities, it all comes down to leadership and good policy prescriptions.
Native New Orleanian here. I think NOLA's problem is its cost of living. While it's still a lot cheaper than most places in the country, it's still too high for what you get considering how the city kinda spits in your eye. I say that loving NOLA, but we've let our public schools down a lot, crime is high, the weather is miserable, hurricane season is an annual threat, insurance rates are high, and to top it all off, jobs don't pay well. Usually a place with this many marks against it would at least be super affordable to live in, but you can live in much nicer cities that actually have their shit together for significantly less than what it costs in NOLA. Did I mention that we're also eroding away and being reclaimed by nature? The flying cockroaches are gonna take over.
You obviously haven't been to Detroit lately. The city is undergoing a transformation with a massive amount of new building and restoration of old ones. Major companies are moving to Detroit or opening regional offices and Ford is building one of the biggest tech centers in the nation. Slums and abandoned houses are being torn down at the fastest rate ever and new housing construction is up dramatically.
Do you actually live in Detroit proper, or are you some suburban booster that's never actually lived in Detroit (and never will)? 🤔🤨 From 2010 - 2020, why did Detroit's population fall 10.5%? 🤔🧐 Why is it still falling (last I checked)? 🤔🧐
I know ppl don’t want to live where it’s cold, but if the current trend of it getting hotter every year continues, and the water issues get worse, idk that I’d want to live in the south for the foreseeable future. Always been a North Carolina fan, that’s as far south as I’d go. I’m in the Philly area now. We didn’t even get 1 snow that stuck for a full day this year. Warmest winter I ever remember
Georgia here, I agree with you 100 percent. Spent a good portion of my youth growing up in Detroit and then several years at northern military installations while serving and a few years in the St. Louis area before moving back to my birthplace area in Georgia and I can honestly say, this warming trend here in the USA is making northern states look more appealing knowing that I can do those things which are necessary to survive the shorter brutal winter months without much stress. Just need to do it before people start waking up to do the same. Definitely getting hotter on the planet.
Yet Omaha has been growing at a faster rate than nearby neighbors Des Moines and Kansas city both ar 2.25hrs and 3hrs away.
Also southern city Tulsa is not growing as fast despite being in the south. Hot clammy, muggy weather year round is overrated.
And some of us love snow and cold. I can’t imagine life without a good, crisp fall, and a crystal white winter.
The western US had a very cold, snowy winter. When it's abnormally cold in the west, it's warm in the east, and vice versa. Next season, it could be the reverse. Remember the complaints about the lack of snow in European Alps last year. But the Rockies, Sierras and Cascades had a very heavy snow year.
It's not getting hotter. I've lived in the South my entire life and the average summer is no worse than it was when I was a kid. The Southwest does have water issues, but the desert southwest in general was a completely irresponsible experiment in civilization from the beginning. Deserts are not good for humans - that we built giant cities like Phoenix, Vegas, and LA out there is pure hubris. They deserve to crumble.
I'm glad to live in a small city that experienced population declined years ago. We were forgotten and left to fend for ourselves, making us experts in hard times.
I understand the exodus South and Southwest, but considering the dire straits that the climate extremes have had on these regions, I think the movement southward may ease as drought and heat make life more difficult, even unpleasant, and prices inevitably rise as the population increases. I live in the rust belt, and things here are growing steadily (Fort Wayne) despite the crappy weather. If you're interested, check Toronto's statistics over the last decade for a study in growth despite winter hardship.
You bought up Toronto where I used to live and its a great city. The interesting question Americans should ask themselves is if moving to Canada was easier (or to Europe, Australia and New Zealand) how many would move?
IMO thousands would do so. Why?
Because these nations are fit-for-purpose liberal social-democracies where the average Joe & Jane Citizen is happier, healthier, safer, saner, better educated than the average Joe and Jane American. But so many Americans think these nations are 'socialist horrors'. Sad.
This whole notion that idiocy becomes an attribute our leaders should acquire because the head idiot has it, just bewilders and angers me. Really, a most dangerous infectious disease.@@epincion
@@epincionA lot of Americans are actually liberals. They would have no issue with paying more in taxes or giving the government more control over their lives if it meant being a little happier. They would literally sacrifice some freedom for comfort and security.
Many would do this.
@@ChristopherX30 I agree with you that many Americans are liberals but do you really think there is a critical mass in the sense of enough citizens being sympathetic to Canadian or Australian or European liberal social democrat values where there is a strong enduring consensus that societal fairness must be weighted higher than individual freedoms - important as the latter are?
What’s striking in nations like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Sweden, Germany, France etc is that they believe this across the whole political spectrum of left to right ideologies and as such while their society like America is sharply divided on many issues (eg immigration) they all agree with and do not question things like state funding of a single payer health service free at point of use, free of heavily subsidised tertiary education, a broad and (by US standards) comprehensive social security network.
This in my opinion does not yet exist in the US and the political system in the US means that it may never happen especially the way representation in the US Senate and the election of the President via use the electoral college and not the popular vote is all designed to heavily tip the scales in favor of de facto making the votes of rural and small town voters worth “more” than those in large urban cities.
Now if anything the rise of Trumpism and MAGA ideology has shown that the millions who live in rural and small town America inhabit a very different worldview.
In fact in my opinion, the US is again in a time similar to that which existed in the couple decades before the secession of the Confederacy. During the two decades before states that eventually formed the ‘South’ in the secession it was the case that they increasingly ignored or openly disobeyed federal law.
Today we see this in the open defiance of TX (over its suspension of federal oversight of the border with Mexico) and of AL (over gerrymandering by its legislature) of even rulings by SCOTUS.
Just yesterday the TX Governor said TX would ignore the recent SCOTUS ruling against it and still (via use of the TX National Guard) prevent federal agencies from access to the TX Mexican border. What was significant was that he said ‘what can the feds do, they are powerless’.
I think Chicago has a brighter future ahead than the numbers suggest. For young people who want to live in a dense urban city but can’t afford places in the northeast (or California if you consider LA or the Bay to be urban enough), Chicago is probably the best city for them to go to with how affordable it is in comparison. Tech companies are also expanding office space in the loop and surrounding neighborhoods, so while manufacturing jobs are declining in the city white collar and service industry jobs are doing relatively fine and in some particular industries growing significantly. It’s also probably the most well positioned city for avoiding the worst of natural disasters and climate risks that cities in the south and west and even northeast are more vulnerable to.
Chicago is perhaps the best situated top ten city for climate resilience. No major fault lines, very little risk of wildfires, well out of the way of sea level rise, hundreds of miles on any side to absorb hurricanes, and direct access to a fifth of the planet's fresh water. In a worst case scenario of inaction on climate change, Chicago may be the largest city left inhabitable within the century
no1 wants to get shot on their way to work. good luck. only reason itd get better is cause it couldnt get much worse. even tourists are mobbed and attacked. the teenagers are NUTS there
Chicago along with Duluth, Milwaukee, Grand Rapids, Detroit, Toledo, Cleveland, Buffalo, Rochester, and Syracuse are all in very good and safe positions in terms of climate change and will all become very attractive and lucrative cities for investment and growth in the not too distant future.
You obviously haven't looked at the finances of the city of Chicago@@r.pres.4121
Nah it's expensive af many bad neighborhoods and it's in Illinois their are better cities
Great job on your report 👌 I moved to LA from upstate New York in 1985 when it’s LA’s metro population was 10 million. It was very crowded then as it is now except the homeless population has skyrocketed to over 100,000 in recent years, creating a new crisis. Please do a report on the homeless situation in these metro areas. Blessings brother 🙏
Many of the local governments in these areas loosing population are unwise. Tax-and-spend only helps up to a point; after you raise taxes past the point that it's cost efficient for businesses and individuals to move, you end up losing revenue as you raise taxes further. Regulations also raise the price of doing business; there are so many permits and paperwork required just to build a house in California, it's no wonder that contractors and the people they employ are moving. Just because something's a good idea doesn't mean it should be made a law. He who governs best governs least.
As someone who is really deeply researching where we want to move our family to, a lot of it comes down to real estate price. We may have picked somewhere else if it had been more affordable, but we have to look at the nicest area of the US that we can actually afford … even if that means accepting some undesirable qualities like hot muggy weather or opposing political views. If the north east were more affordable, then that’s where we would move.
Degenerate urban culture, Marxist, racist, socialist city governments, tolerance of criminals and crime, death of the family and Church. There…fixed.
Aren’t you happy with what your political views have brought for you and your family?
Well, there's a reason why some places are cheaper to live than others 😉
The problem is libs moving away from their stinkholes and bringing their politics with them. They're already destroying GA and NC.
@Nicolek3080 So I guess you must have ruled out New York city and Boston?.
Housing it too dang expensive in Cali. We are lucky that we bought our condo in 2001 for 350,000. Today our condo lists for $1.1M.
When I lived in Phoenix from 2007-2009 as a public school teacher, I noticed there were a lot of people and license plates from California. One CA transplant who was a former prison guard said it costs three to four times more to live in his area of California than Phoenix. Originally from Wisconsin, I met people from Michigan, Illinois (Chicago), Ohio, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York as well.
Not anymore. Phoenix cost of living is as high if not higher than California .
I moved from Phoenix to Los Angeles 15 years ago. I'd much rather be in LA.
Now they’re seeing summers at 110F are becoming the new normal….
@@mrparts I lived in Phoenix for 10 years. 110 in summer is pretty normal.
@@donjindraStay your ass in Commiefornia I'm sure nobody in Phoenix misses you.
The problem in many of these cities is terrible policies from one-party-rule.It’s bad in China…and it’s bad in California. When you don’t have competition you get poor outcomes.
It depends. California voters seem quite content with all the crime, drug use and despair on the streets, just like they were in the early 70's. It's gonna take another 8-12 years of all this rot before enough people move away/retire/die, housing prices go down, thieves stealing/stores closing before voters finally realize their bad decisions have to be overturned. Don't hold your breath--we had to wait for the early 80's before law and order returned to the streets in major California cities.
@@r2dad282 CA is more dangerous in the 80’s.
All the crime? According to FBI statistics and insurance company data, states with the highest crime rates in the US are all Republican strongholds like Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas and Oklahoma. I guess the people in these states are fine with the crime, poverty and poor infrastructure the Republican Party provide .
@@basstheangelo we have further to go--wait a couple more years, we'll get there.
@@r2dad282All of the cities in 1970s were dangerous because of white flight which dilapidated immigrant and African American neighbourhoods.