The Rage of Identity Politics VS The Beautiful Art of Forgiveness | Amy Orr-Ewing

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  • @NanaJ56
    @NanaJ56 10 місяців тому +3

    Speakers like this are such an encouragement in these divisive times. Thank you to Amy Orr Ewing and so many of the positive hopeful speakers at this conference- onward & upward!

  • @allen_tor
    @allen_tor 11 місяців тому +29

    Amy Orr-Ewing thank you for sharing the gospel with us. It's was beautiful. May you live forever AMEN AMEN.

  • @glentomkins3426
    @glentomkins3426 10 місяців тому +4

    Amy, I love your depth of understanding of this issue and your recognition of its only real solution. May your tribe increase!

  • @chineduchidi4404
    @chineduchidi4404 11 місяців тому +4

    I am grateful to God I found the Bible Project 4 years ago... I love you all❤. God bless the BIBLE PROJECT and Team

  • @ingridcope3323
    @ingridcope3323 10 місяців тому +2

    At last, an honest, loving talk on true forgiveness, thank you Amy❤

  • @MrJoel9679
    @MrJoel9679 11 місяців тому +16

    The most important and foundational speech at ARC. Forgiveness is the heart and power that is the antidote to social justice poison. Think how many suicides will be prevented if young people have a future beyond their persecution.

  • @Uriel-Septim.
    @Uriel-Septim. 11 місяців тому +11

    "There is magic in sincere forgiveness, magic to heal, In forgiveness you grant, and more so in the forgiveness you receive."

  • @JohanThiart
    @JohanThiart 11 місяців тому +14

    What a great way to explain this. I am so jealous that I cannot eloquently say what I think. 🙏 You did it for me.
    Cultural Christianity is a gift. John Shelby Spong.

  • @robertfitchett-o6n
    @robertfitchett-o6n 11 місяців тому +42

    although I'm an atheist, i was bought up with a Christian outlook and moral base ( Methodist ) that I'll never abandon and will always defend. the vile humiliation of others, lack of forgiveness and forgotten plain, good manners is retrogressive on such a level that feels so over-whelming at times. thank-you for this. if humanity will be remembered one-day, it will be for the sentiment's expressed in this speech.

    • @robertfitchett-o6n
      @robertfitchett-o6n 11 місяців тому +5

      trick question perhaps? some Christians seem to believe they have a monopoly on such things.( i have no problem with that ) i believe its intrinsic, a part of our consciousness as social beings. going down the path of creation is such a rabbit-hole for me, that the overwhelming amount of 'options' it presents just tells me to get on with my life. i mean when i die i know i could be confronted with the choices I've made, or i won't. i mean no offense. cheers.

    • @JB12132
      @JB12132 11 місяців тому +5

      @@robertfitchett-o6nI learnt a lot from this question being debated with Professor Dr John Lennox and those recordings can be found here on UA-cam. He even has Richard Dawkins admit a flaw in his own book God delusion he found. Worth a listen as he answers this moral question perfectly and probably one of the greatest mathematicians of our time.

    • @JohanThiart
      @JohanThiart 11 місяців тому

      @aimhigh3701it is hard to understand the great unknown unknown. The threat and promise of heaven and hell is not part of cultural Christianity and is the greatest danger to cultural Christianity and the organised Churches of Christ.
      The fundamental belief in the heaven and hell philosophy is a human construct, it is a metaphor! The cross is the metaphor for redemption and helps one avoid hell and attain heaven.
      If you want to find out more feel free to study what John Shelby Spong said about this. Heaven is to love abundantly!! And if you are in heaven you cannot also be in hell.

    • @JohanThiart
      @JohanThiart 11 місяців тому +1

      ⁠​⁠@@robertfitchett-o6ntrick answer. Some Christians do indeed….. But that does not change the idea as translated for us by this speaker.
      Bigoted thinking never has good outcomes. Homer Simpson “The cause and solution….” (Bart Simpson’s father)

    • @JohanThiart
      @JohanThiart 11 місяців тому

      @@JB12132love abundantly. John Shelby Spong.
      Amy explained this very eloquently. I doubt Amy is a fundamentalist Christian bigot.
      Even if she was there would be “redemption” for her in the Christian message.
      The big Unknown.

  • @sheridansherr8974
    @sheridansherr8974 4 місяці тому +1

    Very wise words! 💖 I hope this message will reach more people

  • @maryvase4814
    @maryvase4814 11 місяців тому +2

    Thank you Amy for such great perspective and truth about forgiveness. Well said and Amen!!!

  • @chrisrubio8212
    @chrisrubio8212 11 місяців тому +9

    All people are created equal, because everyone is born with the potential for excellence and the desire to unleash that potential. That quest for excellence is a struggle through complexity, self-doubt, and distraction that can break anyone, so we need all the help we can get. We all deserve support. We are united in the spirit that celebrates our common quest, and celebrates each unique struggle, and we never intentionally add to anyone’s burden.

  • @archaicanarch5567
    @archaicanarch5567 11 місяців тому +4

    Brilliant!

  • @dawnu132
    @dawnu132 11 місяців тому +31

    Forgiveness is the most liberating action you can carry out for yourself. It frees you from negative, destructive thoughts.
    It gives you strength.

    • @MrJoel9679
      @MrJoel9679 11 місяців тому +3

      It saves lives.

    • @TheDigitalWoman
      @TheDigitalWoman 11 місяців тому

      @@centauroachillesYou won’t feel that way when it comes back you - which is the result always. It’s much easier to forgive & let God sort out the justice.

  • @vargas0897
    @vargas0897 10 місяців тому

    This is a person who knows how to talk to a public. Congratulations, and thank you

  • @LilaSilk
    @LilaSilk 11 місяців тому

    Thank you Ms Orr-Ewing for your valuable contribution, I forgive you your preaching 😉😇

  • @geridannels1701
    @geridannels1701 11 місяців тому +7

    Balance in all things is helped by forgiveness, we win when we humble ourselves and forgive others for transgressions. Thanks Amy!
    Note to audio producer please reload with a little more sound up. Thanks!

  • @loveroftrueandlastingpeace
    @loveroftrueandlastingpeace 11 місяців тому +9

    Wonderful speech

    • @arc_conference
      @arc_conference  11 місяців тому +2

      Thank you, we're glad you enjoyed it!

  • @phillipimsdahl3563
    @phillipimsdahl3563 11 місяців тому +2

    I thought this a good video to share during this season of contemplating the reasons for the coming of our Lord and Savior. She gives an impressive talk in front of a room full of dignitaries laying out the Gospel message and how it can be the answer for today's ills. I say amen and bravo to her.

  • @allen_tor
    @allen_tor 11 місяців тому +8

    We need people like you lady but we also need people who pursue justice. Any moral value exalted above every other becomes an evil, including forgiveness. The secret lies in the balance between forgiveness and justice.

    • @davidtehr2993
      @davidtehr2993 11 місяців тому +1

      A god all merciful is a god unjust

    • @JB12132
      @JB12132 11 місяців тому +2

      @@davidtehr2993he’s both merciful and just. Through out the bible this is shown. Grace.

    • @MrJoel9679
      @MrJoel9679 11 місяців тому +1

      Forgiveness is reciprocal as long as the transgressor is penitent.

    • @allen_tor
      @allen_tor 11 місяців тому

      @@davidtehr2993 might you elaborate further

    • @davidtehr2993
      @davidtehr2993 11 місяців тому +1

      @@allen_torit was my way of agreeing with your last sentence: "The secret lies in the balance between forgiveness and justice."

  • @chrisharris4047
    @chrisharris4047 11 місяців тому +2

    what a great message - thanks Amy

  • @theroadtolife9015
    @theroadtolife9015 11 місяців тому +5

    As a young white South African, there is another untold reality. Reverse racism. Only people have moved on, but not politicians.

    • @EL_Americana
      @EL_Americana 11 місяців тому +1

      Her message on forgiveness is spot-on, unfortunately she couldn't have picked a worse example than South Africa.
      As a white former South African, my only hope for survival was to escape to the United States. Post 1990's, the pendulum in South Africa swung so far in the opposite direction, that the revenge and hatred toward white people has culminated in a form of passive genocide. Almost all of the infrastructure is collapsing after decades of corruption and mismanagement. I have lost family & friends to murder and torture, been deprived of employment opportunities, denied public services and protection under the law, all because of my skin color.
      I can't for the life of me understand why South Africa is propped up as such a success story, where did this narrative come from?

  • @douglasanderson7301
    @douglasanderson7301 11 місяців тому +1

    She has very interesting hand gestures. Appreciated the message.

  • @mysparky2011
    @mysparky2011 11 місяців тому +6

    A beautiful gift, thank-you ❤

  • @elizabethhufton5514
    @elizabethhufton5514 10 місяців тому

    The act of forgiveness takes a lot of hard work. It requires an active mental discipline that has to be done every hour for months. And a faith that eventually you will have peace in your heart.

  • @blarvinius
    @blarvinius 8 місяців тому

    I have good news: forgiveness is not a lost art of the past, but is something quite new to the human family that is juuuuuust getting started! We have thousands of years ahead to practice and improve and grow in justice and forgiveness. ❤️❤️❤️💔❤

  • @phillipimsdahl3563
    @phillipimsdahl3563 11 місяців тому +3

    I confess that I have too often held my fellow sinner by the throat with one hand and held to the other to God for forgiveness. Luke 11:4
    and forgive us our sins,
    for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us.
    And lead us not into temptation.”

  • @nathanngumi8467
    @nathanngumi8467 11 місяців тому

    Word.

  • @liquidusblue
    @liquidusblue 10 місяців тому

    100% agree on the power of forgiveness to avoid the vicious downward cycle of "victimhood", get over it, let it go, move on & up.

  • @quasimandias
    @quasimandias 11 місяців тому +1

    Forgiveness can be a virtuous action for those we could in fact choose otherwise, but it’s pure cope for the weak. We don’t have the right to forgive other people for things they have done to other people, to do so is to avoid our responsibility to the injured.

  • @Jackjohnjay
    @Jackjohnjay 11 місяців тому +4

    ‘For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.’ ALL. ❤ Romans, 3:23

  • @Richard_Paradise
    @Richard_Paradise 11 місяців тому +1

    She's good.

  • @minasoliman
    @minasoliman 8 місяців тому

    Amen!

  • @SamuelSchuepbachOfficial
    @SamuelSchuepbachOfficial 11 місяців тому

    I think it's absolutely essential to understand the workings of trauma for forgiveness to take a deeper root in our societies. when we experience trauma, parts of us are stuck in dissociation and fight/flight mode. this is a subconscious phenomenon over which we have no real conscious control. if we are stuck in dissociation and/or fight/flight mode, we cannot really experience, embody, and feel forgiveness. but when we can constructively work through the trauma (with the help of somebody holding the qualities of empathy and forgiveness for us), forgiveness can flow from and through us naturally and spontaneously. I think we actually ARE the forgiveness, but through past hurt and trauma, we are quite literally physically separated from this experience of our deeper nature.

  • @gernotzemanek853
    @gernotzemanek853 11 місяців тому

    I would question whether the power of forgiveness is purely due to a Christian heritage, though I acknowledge it is how it was established in me.
    I absolutely agree with and support Amy's assertions on forgiveness, but would like to give recognition to the notion that the power religions is mostly due to well presented allegories that inspire us to a higher ideal and to reflect that in our lives.

  • @JSme-ud5oy
    @JSme-ud5oy 11 місяців тому +4

    Christ was right then, He’s still right now, and forever

  • @chuimataisinglai8235
    @chuimataisinglai8235 11 місяців тому +2

    Forgiveness is what makes us humanity. Thank you, Amy.

  • @andrewthomas695
    @andrewthomas695 11 місяців тому +2

    I have worked out which side of politics is wrong! Both.

  • @rebeccaklarica2527
    @rebeccaklarica2527 11 місяців тому +4

    A very timely message. Such truths.

  • @imnotanalien7839
    @imnotanalien7839 11 місяців тому +2

    The Christian idea of forgiveness is to let grievances go (for the individual) the rage of identity politics has a political meaning, it is a means to an end, to taking over control of society. The ‘rage/hate’ is simply a way to go from A➡️B.

  • @berniefynn6623
    @berniefynn6623 11 місяців тому +1

    For giveness is for the forgiver,to release them from an emotional prison influencing their lives,actions and decisions. Tells the other they no longer have a hold on them and no longer think of them.

  • @simonandrews4355
    @simonandrews4355 11 днів тому

    I think this following quote may be relevant to those contemporary times when our quest which may come from a seeking for a sort of justice may sometimes start to look awefully similar to a hunger for revenge or retribution.

    Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.
    Frederick Nietsche.

  • @TendaSithole
    @TendaSithole 10 місяців тому

    I hope secular humanism doesn’t cause South Africa to abandon such a fine place in history and an influential position in the world by abandoning the track of forgiveness.

  • @Larindarr
    @Larindarr 11 місяців тому +1

    I{d like to add... it's a blindness to the basic existential (God given) rights: to exists, to flourish, to make mistakes, to grow form mistakes. It is a reflection of their own self denial of these things that leads them to place harsh judgement absent of these graces, leading to unforgiveness. It is not justice any more it is now revenge and drunk in power trip.

  • @angrytedtalks
    @angrytedtalks 11 місяців тому +1

    I detect a strong Christian theme in this talk. Whist the forgiveness is quite obviously a benefit in society, the talk could perhaps have discussed secular themes of forgiveness such as not beating ourselves up over colonialism or resenting other nation's prosperity when no patent fee was paid for our own inventions was clearly an injustice and inappropriate.
    The audience will not all respond to a Christian message dressed in holiness, but a Christian fundamental where its practical reality is understood.

  • @mannymistry68
    @mannymistry68 Місяць тому

    When evil persists, when it seeps into (and takes control of) the human structures of family, community, law, justice, even wisdom - then forgiveness can no longer be a tool with which we can teach evil, that goodness is the light. Forgiveness merely reinforces evil to continue doing evil unabated - because the only consequence is more forgiveness. I welcome thoughts on this.

  • @joadhenry
    @joadhenry 10 місяців тому

    ok...where's the next video? Momentum is needed!

  • @lithiumUNCHARGED
    @lithiumUNCHARGED 11 місяців тому +4

    The audio is SUPER low, needs reupload

  • @majorgremlin4758
    @majorgremlin4758 20 днів тому

    never forget and never forgive what they did to us during pan.

  • @bumpercoach
    @bumpercoach 11 місяців тому

    WHY IS THE VOLUME SO TINY ON ALL OF THESE ARC VIDEOS?? They don't have to be as loud as an ad but if they're not almost that loud then the ads last your eardrums when they pop in plus if you're driving it's very difficult to hear from your phone even on max volume

  • @jimlewis4765
    @jimlewis4765 11 місяців тому +1

    Does forgiveness minimize harm? 10:23
    I say resoundingly , “YES!” And I argue that’s a GOOD thing! In fact, that is the intent of Forgiveness.
    It is the Christian answer to “justice movements and intersectionality thinking, that AMPLIFY the harm inflicted.” ( 1:34 )
    God’s Forgiveness (unlike man’s) takes an honest, hard eyes-wide-open accounting at the past offense and its lasting effects. Then sets that offense next to future reconciliation; and finds the grief of that offense much smaller in the comparison than the joy of reconciliation. So it DOES indeed MINIMIZE the offense.
    But it’s a choice every one of us gets to make. One has to be willing to trade with God. To give up the right to self-righteous anger and resentment and bitterness, and in the exchange, be willing to let GOD exact Justice in His timing and in His way.
    It’s an “In -God-We-Trust” thing. Your choice.

  • @HilaireHTSIMO
    @HilaireHTSIMO 11 місяців тому

    1. Who should forgive? The oppressor or his victim?
    2. Who should ask for forgiveness? The oppressor or his victim?

  • @askhollyhall
    @askhollyhall 9 місяців тому

    what is the progress on thsi movement?

  • @100Denario
    @100Denario 11 місяців тому

    The highest function of righteousness is mercy, not vengeance. There is no due process in vigilantism. There is no redemption in cancel culture. There is no reason driving wokeism, only slogans, group think, and unchecked passions.

  • @sharongillesp
    @sharongillesp 11 місяців тому +1

    Colonialism and imperialism has its cost.
    It can’t not be ignored. It DEMANDS a price.
    Innocent people are feeling that price across the globe.
    And make no mistake, the 1% are drowning in their own mucus of discontent. The happy face? The glamorous life styles? The beautiful homes? Travel? They bring NO PLEASURE. Their ONLY warped sense of “pleasure” is “seeing” others struggle and suffer. Telling them to, “…not be lazy and get off their butts.”
    They need our help and we need theirs. We KNOW we need everyone to succeed by participating in Unity or no one can succeed.
    They will turn away and laugh. . . pretending otherwise.

  • @alexkairis3927
    @alexkairis3927 11 місяців тому +2

    I've listened to Amy a handful of times through my apologetics binge. I felt like she hammed up the emotionally-loaded rhetoric too much to damn near, "ham-fisted". It felt like a cheap TED talk rather than other things she has been less emotive and more reasonable for.

  • @medxmnr
    @medxmnr 7 місяців тому

    Why not ask "Where does the intolerance of "cancel culture" originate?" because it is definitely intolerant? Where does the intolerance of the MeToo movement originate? Where does the intolerance of women's suffrage originate? Where does the intolerance of union members on strike originate? Where does the intolerance of abolitionists originate? There is no doubt that the state of intolerance if a hateful and violent state but how does a person get there? They get there because all else failed. To continue to be tolerant of social injustice allows the injustice to continue and the suffering of the "cancel culture" to continue. Forgiveness at that point only comes after success in "cancelling" the social injustice. To promote forgiveness in the face of injustice is a childish and simplistic response to a serious problem.

  • @skylinefever
    @skylinefever 11 місяців тому +1

    I might see things different if forgiveness actually worked for me like the holy men said it would. Instead, it felt like I was attempting to use the gaslight effect on myself, and not getting the magic results of it. I will see things better if victims of crime got to kick the criminal's ass.
    I have no tolerance for cancelling people because they said something unpopular or had an unverified accusation against them. That is not justice at all.
    The only reason I even bothered to do any of the God stuff was because of paranoia of hellfire and brimstone sermons. Lakeside Christian School of Clearwater Florida and the Southern Baptist Convention can shove a twirling crucifix.
    If we all were really wired for certain things, there would be no outcasts, misfits and non conformists. Aspies and autists would understand things the same way as the rest of the population. Any movement that denies that statistical outliers will exist is intolerable to me. I spent much of my youth not being able to fit in, and people treating me like it was somehow my own fault that I couldn't just XYZ like everyone else. This is why I love the blackpill community and incelosphere, even though I don't exactly fit in. They are a great place for the outcasts, misfits, people who can't just believe motivational slogans, and people who couldn't get anything from the therapy industry.
    Go invent a genuine reset button for people unable to believe this God and Jesus stuff.

    • @MrJoel9679
      @MrJoel9679 11 місяців тому

      A lot of people feel angry like you do, especially when their gifts are rejected. I find a lot of them make better sense of it when they explore game theory.
      Ultimately it’s not just about them and you. The poison of social injustice infects the whole community if there is not penitence in the trade of forgiveness. Be honest with forgiveness. Offer it, but don’t let it be a perceivable manipulation on your part or theirs.

  • @georgetravers9333
    @georgetravers9333 11 місяців тому

    'Forgiveness, is not using your right to hit back'.
    This virtue, that never is. Christians holding out for a Savior, that never will.
    Forgiveness, is apologizing.
    For the resentment that crippled your own life and ruined the lives of those around you in your perceived morally-superior mindstate. To snap out of this hypnosis of pride. To avoid a cursing to receive a blessing that only the Church tempts.
    'Forgiveness, is not using your right to hit back'
    Hit back. Just don't curse like Communist or hate like a Hamas. And rebuild the Japan like America did.
    Not the lawless Marxist hellhole actually created. Worse than it was before. Looking for reconciliation with everyone, that never can.

  • @richardoldfield6714
    @richardoldfield6714 6 місяців тому

    This speech is intellectually incoherent. She implies that a lack of forgiveness comes mostly from the political left, when of course most of the calls for harsher prison sentences - 'lock 'em up and throw away the key' - comes from the political right. I say this not in defence of the political left (personally I want to see a radical reinvention and re-invigoration of the political centre ground), but simply because it's not helpful to anyone to be presented with lazy and misleading thinking. Moreover, identity politics is not exclusive to the political left - what else is the Trump-cult but an tribal identity centered around the personality of Trump?

  • @philipfitzsimons7540
    @philipfitzsimons7540 11 місяців тому +1

    Amy _ LEFTWING….
    I will skip this homily - Forgive me later !

    • @philipfitzsimons7540
      @philipfitzsimons7540 11 місяців тому +1

      That’s classified… it’s an ecumenical matter !
      You should of listened more at school… 😢