Self-Censorship on Gaza + Trump's Conviction | Glenn Loury & Joshua Cohen | The Glenn Show
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0:00 How Josh got Glenn started in podcasting
3:05 Early career advice to Glenn: Don’t be an asshole
6:30 A recent loss in Josh’s life
8:36 Did Trump’s prosecution and conviction set a dangerous precedent?
15:37 Biden’s uninspiring presidential campaign
19:38 Josh: Trump is “an enemy of and a threat to … fundamental political values”
23:22 The problem of the meritocracy
28:54 The “shame” Glenn felt after his speech at a synagogue
39:19 The things left unsaid about the Gaza War
47:22 Were Glenn’s fears about reaction to his thoughts about Gaza overblown?
51:23 Can mistaken ad hominem inferences about audiences initiate self-censorship on the part of speakers?
55:55 When Manhattan Institute President Reihan Salaam when to Berkeley
1:00:58 Josh: Campus protests have basically been a good thing
1:09:33 Josh’s thoughts on what John Rawls might have said about the State of Israel
Glenn Loury (Brown University, Manhattan Institute, Late Admissions) and Joshua Cohen (Apple University, UC Berkeley Law, Boston Review). Recorded June 1, 2024.
A guest who has nothing to say, doesn’t like Trump, and can’t mention a single thing that supports his “feelings”. If you’re reading this comment, feel free to watch something else. You’re not missing anything here.
👍.
Thank you.
So then why do you think Glenn bothered to have him on in the first place? Not a rhetorical question.
@@matthewkilbride1669I believe Glenn thought Cohen would have some depth or insight that his audience couldn’t get elsewhere. Clearly, that was wrong (or my interpretation of it) because he came across as quite dishonest or downright delusional. In addition, Glenn’s known Cohen for a long time and respects him.
@@fastingman4726 But I don't understand that. If Glenn respects him, it's on the basis of something. If he's dishonest or delusional, either Cohen's changed dramatically in recent years or Glenn's a very poor judge of character. Neither of those things seem likely to be true to me.
Josh Cohen is grossly uninformed about the Trump trial in NY. He shouldn't really discuss things he doesn't know anything about.
The fact he said 1 juror got ALL his news from Truth Social shows how ignorant he is.
It turned out 1 juror said they got SOME news from TS but not from the actual platform rather from 3rd party reports of TS content reposted on Twitter.
It is just as likely that juror only mentioned TS to get on the jury to and convict Trump.
I disagree. Guys like him making an ass out him self is good because this is the kind of platform where lefties are more likely to see it and perhaps think "hmm huh?"
Lol glens face said it all when josh was contradicting himself
I don't remember Glenn Lowry having a more bigoted or biased guest.
Norman Finkelstein
John McWhorter
@@flutebasket4294 If you think that, I have no idea why you're even paying attention to Glenn's channel
@@matthewkilbride1669 Correct!
@@matthewkilbride1669 Correct
Glen. Thanks for engaging with and exposing "Confessions of a TDS Victim."
It fascinates me how supposedly intelligent people with integrity can just lie like this. The man is either in pure denial or he hasn’t familiarized himself with the facts.
On mater in particular? They had a very broad and ranging conversation. Also, at many points him and Glenn did agree.
It fascinates me that you assume he's lying because he disagrees with you and/or doesn't consume the same media you do.
@@matthewkilbride1669 He can't really believe that Trump committed 34 real felonies for which prosecution is perfectly ordinary, as he claims, can he? That isn't a matter of mere disagreement or of reading different media. That is either determined ignorance and stupidity. Or lying. So, we're just giving him the benefit of the doubt for not being unutterably stupid.
I absolutely agree with you sir, on all well-spoken points! The man is clearly out of his depth and is making a fool of himself... Either that, or you are way off base in your ill-conceived hit job, and the man's knowledge and integrity is unparalleled!
Sorry, I’ll be more specific. I was referring to his hemming and hawing regarding the Trump trial. We are in a sorry shape if the cognoscenti are unable to speak the truth publicly. And the truth, my dears, is that Manhattan just convicted the populist leader of the right wing in a BULLSHIT SHOW TRIAL. Wake up before we don’t have a country anymore (if it’s not too late already. May be.)
Sheesh. @zarbins &matthewkilbride1669 @jasper_of_puppets
When I was in the university back in the 70s we were taught we should listen to both sides of an argument before we make up our mind on what we thought Was the truth that no longer seems applicable
Why not?
@@DjangoVonShaft When you render the meaning of all the words being used to
the condition of "ambiguity" no real dialog is taking place and the understanding
and determination of even the simplest "truth" becomes an impossibility.
Now add the various levels of censorship for this platform and the overriding algorithm
in place by the deep state...across all of them...whose goal is constant division, and strangely
results in the protection of "echo chambers" by the outright deletion of comments and/or replies
that might result in some degree of understanding and agreement...the end result is
a meaningless barrage of #me2 irrelevancies...and irrelevant "ad hominem's" directed
at any comment that questions the prevailing narrative of any particular site..and this
applies across all media, mainstream, alt, etc.
@@DjangoVonShaft cancel culture has done away with the concept
@@mikelogan3816 i don't think people get canceled for listening to both sides, but I do think there is danger in platforming extreme view points. Not because you're not smart enough to use discernment, but rather the average American is a D+ student at best. This is not the America of 1950 where people read newspapers.. their morality is based on echo chambers and Tik Tok. This country hasn't changed... We have.
@@DjangoVonShaft are you kidding the newspaper's are controlled by the.liberal elites who tell us what to think they share your view that the common man must be told I resent them and all that they stand for and I have been cancellef
This may be the most tortured conversation I have ever listened to.
"This is bread and butter stuff for these prosecutors"
Does anyone who isn't on a payroll believe this disingenuous crap?
Thank you. I’m unable to express that in such a polite way.
I’m also curious who he thinks should be the voice for the deplorables that cling to their guns and their God. Since no one else stood up, we are left with Trump. He’ll do just fine.
@@tomdivittis2688Vivek was a much better candidate that was 100% on the issues of Trump without the BS.
Actually better and more focused on the issue.
Amazing how someone as educated as Cohen can be so totally uninformed of the facts surrounding the Trump trial. Spewing a lot of ignorant garbage acquired from MSNBC. Just another low in formation voter. Disappointing.
@@swcordovaf I don’t disagree with you, but 10% (or wherever he was polling) doesn’t cut it.
The GOP F’d the dog royally in 2012 when Boehner pretended not to hear the support for Ron Paul at the GOP convention.
Sorry, I’m getting way off topic. At present, Trump is the only way to possibly get a middle finger up to the establishment. It has nothing to do with him being a good candidate. The legal system has clearly been taken off the rails, so approaching this election as normal is suicidal.
I’m not a fan of Trump. I voted for him in 16, but not in 20. In 24 I am left with no alternative.
Glenn, you're back! Yaaay, we missed you!❤
Intellectual difference (&, honesty ) between the two guys couldn't be greater.😂
I’m no friend of Trump, and the NY trial certainly brought out facts that reminded us why his holding the office of POTUS was and would again be a disgrace, BUT …. simply repeating “34 felonies” as if that alone was at all meaningful falls far short of the kind of thoughtful, unbiased analysis I have come to expect from The Glen Show. Start with the “34”. If a serial killer, or even a serial burglar, committed 34 separate murders or burglaries, then the number might well be indicative of the seriousness of the crimes as a whole. But, for example, if someone pays a clearly illegal bribe in the amount of, say, $34,000 but writes 34 separate checks in the amount of $1,000 each, has that person committed criminal activity that is 34 times worse than if he had made the payment by means of a single $34,000 check? That, in essence, is what happened here, and anyone who simply repeats the “34 felonies” mantra demonstrates either ignorance or political purpose. Then, let’s turn to the “crime” itself. A DA certainly has prosecutorial discretion to bring or not bring charges when evidence indicates a crime is likely to have been committed. But he has no discretion to create a crime out of conduct that is not described as criminal in the law. That is what Bragg appears to have done here in the way he attempted to elevate a misdemeanor (which he could not have charged because its statute of limitations had expired) into a felony. No one had ever before done this in the way Mr. Bragg did as followed by Judge Merchan in his instructions to the jury, and I believe it is why so many lawyers across the political spectrum seem to think the conviction is likely to be reversed on appeal. (The fact that the jury was unanimous in reaching its verdict means nothing more than the jurors agreed as to the facts and believed they were following the judge’s instructions as to the law.) Even if it is possible to believe Trump’s conviction at trial is legally sustainable, surely a thoughtful and unbiased analysis must give recognition to the many contrary legal arguments that have been made. The absence of any such meaningful analysis here greatly departs from what I have come to expect from The Glen Show. I look forward to your commenting on and correcting this in the near future.
Cohen is a disgrace. He knows perfectly well what he was doing with the "34 felonies" refrain -- misleading his audience.
I am not fan of Trump, but if Zelensky would release information on Hunter who is real CRIMINAL, we would not have 2 wars, and I would 100% prefer Trump in the past 3 years and peace, and billions and billions in our economy, not in war in Ukraine. Obama bin Biden=Putin, puts opposition to jail. ( again I would prefer Ron to Trump today)
"Would he have been prosecuted if his name wasn’t Donald Trump? I don’t know." Yeah you do know
Does Josh have dual citizenship in America and Israel?
Would Hunter Biden be being prosecuted right now for a PAPERWORK ERROR in his ppurchase of a GUN? Hope! But, one big difference between Truymp & President Biden is that Biden is NOT INTERFERING in the prosecution of his osn and has already sid he will NOT pardon his son if he's found guilty. Trump already had a LONG HISTORY of crimes" Charity FRAUD (Trump "Foundation") Consumer FRAUD (Trump "Univeristy") TAX FRAUD--NY State & NYC case pursued by NY AG James. Found GUILTY in all3 of those cases. Ajudicated a RAPIST in the E.,Jea Carrol case and found libel for DEFAMATION. Trump has been accused of sexual harassment & sexual abuse by 2 dozen women--at least , some OF THEM ARE TELLING THE TRUTH. tRUMP WAS bussies WITH Jeffrey epstein FOR OVER 15 Years.
@@jackharle1251 Do you have dual citizenship in America and Nazi Germany?
He has no comment on how specious the charges were? Shame.
And, in particular, how trumped (pun intended) up they were. Hilary Clinton did pretty much the same thing when she claimed the STEELE DOSSIER as a " legal expense" and what did she get? A $100,000 fine, no court case whatsoever. I didn't vote for trump in 2016 or 2020, but am seriously reconsidering my vote for kennedy, since I'm in swing state Pennsylvania. As a former Democrat of 50+ years, and a bernie supporter, I'm now an independent, awake, not woke. imho, the democrats are far more hawkish and authoritarian than trump ever was, ànd are willing, through this inane lawfare, to subvert democracy, in order to "lrotect" it. Absolutely insane.
It's because he's biased and he's a bigot.
There was NOTHING “specious” about the charges. The evidence was overwhelming.
@@ninadaly7639 Never pay a snitchy lawyer. Handle it yourself, with morality and money if u gots it.
Most of the problem seems to be his mismanagement of hush monies so he wouldnt get divorced during a moment of his weak earnings potential? He did porn stuff with a pornstar then was an idiot when they shook him down for money? Idk...that is ridiculous if true.
Idk. Perhaps I am misinformed.
These prosecutions happen all the time!
Name just one example?
Umm...Uh...Umm
That was my same thought. I respect Glenn enormously, but I wished Glenn challenged Cohen a bit more.
You’re joking, right? Look up white collar crime in any jurisdiction.
"34 felonies" lol
Glad you’re back Glenn, not your best interview although you tried your best to drag answers out of this guest. I’d suggest both of you listen to how Alan Dershowitz summed up the Trump trial
Not Glenn's best guest.
it was a great conversation, whether you agreed with the guest or not. Interesting to hear from someone mentored by Rawls and even Glenn said he learned something.
@@zarbins It was a pathetic excuse for a conversation. If Cohen was mentored by Rawls that merely serves as proof that Rawls' mentoring was useless for improving up to any reasonable standard at least one of those he mentored.
Just another pseudo intellectual, anti-Western Civilization J with a seven figure job and a whole lotta influence
Thank you, Joshua Cohen for introducing Glenn to Robert Wright!
I am immensely grateful for that!
hear, hear!
From a 65 year old female black, it's people like this guy who pushes me to support Trump even more. These type people think those who are not leftists as they are, are dumb. Trump has never been one of my favorite people. I dont care for all the jabs he throws. However, I appreciate how Trump doesn't kiss butts to attend your parties. He takes it to the left and the right. I can respect a man like Trump who doesnt dance to the music of other elites rather than a coward. I wonder what dirt I would find in this Josh's person's closet?
The traditional support of Palestinians and anti-Jewish stance by the black community is so absurd, as the majority of Israel's population has been living in the region for 2.5 thousand years, whether it was North Africa, Iraq, Iran, Yemen or Lebanon. Besides that there is a formidable black-African population. To support the genocidal ambitions of Hamas and Iran with its proxies is an absurd attitude. Especially seeing that the Torah has the strictest limitations on slave owners when slavery was a fixed part of antique economy. Muslim Arabs and their African handlers practised slave trade till only very recently.
I long for a time where there is world peace, protected borders, reduced taxes, energy independance, love for country, more people out of poverty in recorded history, peace treaties in the Middle East, a flourishing mindset vs the Malthusian ideology of the elites such as this guest...as do most pragmatic, ordinary citizens
Is this guy arguing in good faith? I
Certainly "faith" is involved...but then everything about "government" is "faith based".
In terms of "legitimate authority," it's all B.S.
It is hard to believe that he really thinks that Trump committed 34 felonies.
@@gandydancer9710
no one does.😂
Obaba rules.
@@gandydancer9710
No one does.
No. Josh has TDS.
Glenn, you need to look into the "34 felonies" more deeply.
1. The crime is falsifying business records. Hush money or NDA payments are not illegal, and so first question is, how were payments to Michael Cohen, Trump's lawyer, supposed to be labeled in New York if not "Legal services"
2. Fraudulent business records is a misdemeanor, which the statute of limitations had run on. To make the crime a felony the business records had to be made fraudulent with the intent to commit another crime, that crime was a New York statute that makes it illegal to attempt to influence an election by committing another crime, so we have to chain three crimes together. Also this statute is also a misdemeanor.
3. The third crime the judge gave three options. (1) Attempt to commit tax evasion which whould have been overpayment. (2) Federal election violations, which the judge said in his jury instructions Trump HAD committed, which is impossible since the federal election finance rules require the payment to be unambiguously related to elections. Trump had paid hush money before, it's perfectly reasonable that he was protecting his business or family, which means campaign finance violation is out. (3) Or falsifying other business records, by creating a fake shell corporation, which Cohen did, not Trump. The judge also said on this third element the jury didn't need to be unanimous, which I'm sure was a confusing instruction especially since they weren't given written instructions.
If this whole explanation seems wild, well maybe that's because it is, it was a kangaroo court, unquestionably. Also on political prococutions, the #3 guy at the Biden's DOJ, Mathew Colangelo, resigned and went to work for Bragg before this case got started, which is the equivalent of resigning your tenure at Columbia to go work at a community college.
I think these are very good points. They're good points because they lead to revealing answers. I can't exactly explain what I mean by that, so instead I'll address number one directly.
The way this is framed makes it seem as though Trump had a series of reimbursements for hush money payments and made the common sense decision to call them legal expenses. I know that's how Trump himself frames it. But what actually happened was far more complex. If I explain what happened, you'll get a much better sense of why Donald Trump was charged the way he was.
To circle back to your first question: "how were payments to Michael Cohen supposed to be labelled," it's important to note that Michael Cohen paying for the story at all was an illegal campaign contribution. So, in point of fact, there was no way to pay Cohen back legally.
I don't think that you believe that the purchase would have been made except for the campaign, so we could also talk about the evidence from David Pecker, Hope Hicks, and Michael Cohen, and all the documentation of the transactions that indicated that all of these crimes were committed for the express purpose of aiding the campaign. One compelling piece of evidence: Trump tried to delay payment to Stormy Daniels until after the Election, after which point her story wouldn't have mattered. When asked about the effect it would have on Melania, he's supposed to have said: "Don't worry. How long do you think I will be on the market for? Not long." Of course, that's testimony from Michael Cohen so you might not want to believe it. The delay, however, is well documented by emails and the payment records themselves.
But let me move on to the falsification of business records. I want to demonstrate that what occurred wasn't a simple mislabeling, primarily because it wasn't a 1:1 repayment. The entire payment, $420,000, was a combination of reimbursement to Michael Cohen for payments he made (under a fake corporate entity) to Stormy Daniels, a reimbursement to Michael Cohen of payments he made to Red Finch (a tech company), and also an addition to a bonus payment for Michael Cohen (Note: Trump was deliberately underpaying Michael Cohen's bonus). So part of the falsification is that he bundles all of these together, instead of listing them all as separate expenses (which is part of the fraud). The next part is the "grossing up" operation, which I think you're familiar with, but which I will describe anyway.
The Stormy Daniels story cost $130,000, and the payment to Red Finch cost $50,000 (actually less, but Michael Cohen lied about the figure so that he could pocket the difference). Those two totaled together would have been $180,000. With the additional bonus to Michael Cohen, the figure would only have amounted to $240,000, so where did the additional 180,000 come from? They decided to "gross up" the payment--that is, double it to $360,000, because Michael Cohen would have had to pay 50% of that in taxes. After tax, the amount would have been reduced to the actual $180,000 he was owed. But this is critical to note, they wouldn't have had to gross up the payment if Michael Cohen were going to be allowed to simply describe it as a reimbursement. It wouldn't have been necessary. However, since they were going to disguise the payment as income for legal services (so as to conceal what the payment was actually for--reimbursing Michael Cohen for his illegal purchase), they had to gross it up. Again, this is illegal.
And now to the finishing touch--the false documents themselves. So once they had the $420,000 figure, they had to come up with a reason why it was being paid. If they stated the true reason, it would point back to illegal activity. So, they decided that Michael Cohen should send a series of 11 invoices over 11 months, each requesting payment of $35,000 for services rendered during that month in keeping with a Retainer Agreement that never existed. (Quick Note: the first invoice requested payments for both January 2017 and February 2017). The payments had no relation to legal work that Michael Cohen was performing during that year. In fact, Donald Trump's intention was not to pay Michael Cohen at all for any actual work he might do in 2017, but instead to give him the title of Personal Attorney to the President, which he would be able to monetize by making consulting relationships. In the end, Cohen got $4 million out of it, so not a bad deal.
So that was the falsification of business records scheme. And I do feel comfortable calling it a scheme--not some sort of innocent mistake. And knowing all that was actually involved, you understand how disingenuous Trump is being when he claims that he just "paid a lawyer a legal expense." It's a phony everyman pose. He is counting on us to be loyal enough not to actually look at what he's been doing. And look, I haven't even described everything involved in the conspiracy. I've left out the illegal deal with AMI, which involves more illegal campaign expenditures. There's just so much to get into. It was crooked up and down.
So, to summarize, the reason Trump was charged with falsifying business records to conceal a conspiracy to influence an election through the unlawful means of campaign finance violation, tax fraud, and further business record falsification, is because that is precisely what he did.
Also, to answer your question. I'm definitely curious about it myself. From what I can tell, most people who pay hush money just go with cash or check.
@@blackest_manamultis the only reason it's complicated is because of the post hoc rationalization of the monetary amount, every single piece of which relies on Cohen's testimony. It could also be 35k a month as a legal retainer, which seems to be a much simpler solution. So you have to trust Cohen is truthful and his testimony represents evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.
And yes, I fully believe a Billionaire would pay hush money to protect his reputation, brand, and family, regardless of the election, in fact I would bet the majority have done so.
Thank you for saying it!
The most painful discussion I’ve had to endure on the Glen Show. I forced myself to continue.
It also appeared painful for Glen.
Cohen:
On Trump
“Can’t stand Trump… he’s a loathsome enemy of a number of fundamental political values… anti-democratic…history of being a racist…”
Offers no substantive evidence to support this position (opinion).
On Biden:
“I like him…not particularly popular…”
Wow, thank you for the deep insight!!
With regard to the political, fraudulent prosecution or rather persecution, perhaps Mr. Cohen should seek out the opinions of some learned constitutional law scholars. Alan Dershowitz and Robert Barnes have plenty to offer on the subject.
Malignant sensibility? In the face of malignant ignorance?
Malignant pseudo intellectuality
@@flutebasket4294 Well there is certainly plenty of that today, isn’t there?
Well said.
That seems to be Canada's big issue these days.
Also, Glenn should have asked Mr. Cohen to list out and explain the 34 felonies.
Totally useless.
Why should he do that? You can literally download all the information you need.
@@geekylove3603 What were the 34 felonies, and why were they felonies? You can just list a few of them for starters.
@@williamlp
It's online. It's big news. Perhaps you should have a lie down x.
@@geekylove3603 I think the real reason you won't answer is you can't explain 34 felony charges in this case without sounding transparently ridiculous.
At least every account I've read makes it sound that way, but I don't understand law very well.
Legal scholars predict The verdict will be overturned they are not felonies
Weren’t some of the charges elevated to a felony level ? I really don’t remember, so I’m genuinely asking.
@@AjaxDGonzothey were all elevated to felonies on the basis that there was an underlying crime, what that is no one knows. There are three options the jury could decide on and the judge instructed the jury that they don’t have to agree on one thing some could a agree on one, some on another, and some on the third and the judge would accept it.
@@secretsquirrel18 okay, I wasn’t sure if it was all or some of the charges that were elevated, that makes sense considering there are so many charges. That again speaks to your point on the peculiarity of the entire case. And in my opinion ignores the point of how former/frontrunner candidate presidents cannot really have a fair and impartial jury, and obviously with the case of Alvin Bragg, even fair and impartial local justices. I think it was a de facto rule of politics to not do this kind of thing since Nixon, before Watergate, with the Checkers incident.
@@secretsquirrel18the were elevated to felonies based on 3 possible crimes which were also misdemeanors 😂😂
Overturned after the election. A move designed to detract votes. I'm Australian -
I invested enough time in the show to give Glenn a view and a thumbs up. Glenn’s channel and Thomas Sowell’s channels get most of my attention.
I love sering Glen back in the game!
Contrary to most of the commentors here I thought this was an excellent interview. Of course I desperately wanted to hear Glenn correct his guest's fundamental assumptions regarding Glenn's positions but this was more because I wanted to hear confirmation of my positions being shared by Glenn. I highly respect the restraint I saw Glenn demonstrate here which was the only way to draw out the true views of his guest who left without having learned anything at all of the views of the host. That is OK because we want to learn about the posotions of the guest, not the host who we're already mostly aligned with.
Paraphrasing Joshua: "the protesters don't know the solution or need to, they just know someone got us into this and they should figure out how to get us out." Protesters: "There is only one solution, intifada, revolution." Face value?
To be fair, the protestors may not know what intifada means.
@@yoseftreitman7226 sure, good point. although I don't think one can say that even not taking them at face value they don't think and propose solutions. whatever they think intifada means (or two states, river2sea, etc), or even if theyre just repeating slogans, they'd have to be pure zombies to not think those are their/the movements goals/solutions/policy aims
not to mention, they refer to intifada as the "one solution"
This misses the mark... Aside from some yahoos I think these students have impressively and surprisingly coherently for movement of this succeed articulated exactly what they want... impressive tbh no matter your view on this conflict... If you can be dispassionate and objective on such a contentious issue... Anyone knows history of this kind of stuff understands that. Contrast it to the BLM coopted ineffective incoherent misadventure.
@@Ninoblack88 I think that's right, but maybe have a little pushback. Although I'll say, the organized nature and the movements coherency comes not just from the students, but I think from leadership at the faculty level. At my University, it seems to me just from observing the mvmnt/encampment that the majority of participants are grad stud and faculty.
This issue is so contentious and so wrought with professional danger that even glenn had to engage in this obvious act of self censorship. That speaks to a problem in our society and one has to ask the obvious questions. We have students being threatened with not getting jobs after graduation and esteemed tenured academics self censoring.... meanwhile our gov and both parties who don't agree on anything in this most divisive time agree almost 💯 on this issue. It makes me sit up and take note.
34 felonies is disingenuous. It’s legalese. He committed election inference and captured the payment in 34 checks. Same thing with classified documents, each document was charged separately.
Lmao. Glenn seems so perplexed on Josh's responses.
Because none of them are founded in rational thought
Hey Glenn great to see you laugh heartily!!! I am thinking your back is improving!
Your guest was sweating bullets trying to not get his ass chewed by his liberal friends I was feeling😂
This discussion is below par for The Glenn Show. Cohen is rambling and halting.
I think Cohen is misinformed (perhaps deliberately so) in thinking that the type of charges prosecuted against Trump are commonly prosecuted and "bread and butter" charges in New York. It has extensively been covered that there has **never before** been a prosecution of this kind, which is why Judge Merchan's rulings are considered novel, such as that the jury does not need to be unanimous about which underlying crime was committed and, that the prosecution does not need to specify the furthered crime in the indictment.
The reason I think his misinformation may be deliberate is that he fears being called upon to answer whether he supports the charges, under circumstances where he need to acknowledge the unusualness of the case.
You are simply misinformed about what the judge said.
@@ninadaly7639okay, how about you actually be productive and explain why he’s wrong or misinformed. This guy just wrote over a paragraph, and your comment is absolutely useless.
The reason this is unprecedented is because they are using state courts to try him for a federal crime, even after the feds chose not to pursue the case, and then they allege multiple crimes and the jury didn’t have to agree on all of them, only one. Am I off on any of that? So it is unprecedented, but Josh may be talking specifically in regard to the charges themselves, and not their handling no?
Of course - c'mon... another ugaly heebie jeebie.
@@AjaxDGonzo If you spit on the sidewalk and I prosecute you for murder you can't say that there's precedent for that because people are prosecuted for murder all the time.
Glenn, do you feel that anyone who criticizes israel is labeled an antisemite? Has that word been thrown at you?
What I have often seen in the online discourse and on the streets and campuses is a deep link between the delegitimization of the state of Israel and the position that Israel's attempt to restore its security is immoral. I see many not interested at all in why israel is putting everything on the line in gaza. That is antisemitic.
But has that word been thrown at you? I certainly haven't thought it about you, I just think you don't get it.
There's a 22 second video online that crystalizes what israel is trying to achieve. It's on Oct7 in the city of Sederot. Bullets are flying, israeli police officers are engaging with terrorists and they hear a small voice calling out for help.
A 6 year old girl has been sitting in the back of a car for hours. Her parents are shot dead in the front seat. She calls out, "Are you of Israel?"
A 6 yr old girl has learned that there are people out there who would kill her. And that it may not even be safe to call for help.
Hms is still firing rockets at israeli towns. Yesterday, armed terrorists emerged from a tunnel into israel under the cover of fog.
Antisemitism is not knowing how to put yourself in the shoes of Israelis who have been put in the position of fighting a horrible war against a visious enemy who cares more about the destruction of israel than protecting its civilians.
Blabla typical history begun the 6th. What forced Israelis to colonize and kill hundreds of Palestinians in the west bank before the 7th ? And have Palestinians the right to resist a vicious terrorist state ?
Hamas is facilitating destruction of "their own" people to achieve a political advantage.
YOU person are SO right ... Tiny Israel is not supposed to care for it's self ... Any other country , if you are attacked and forced into a war they fight till one loses , Israel , made up by 8 million people on a small size land , in a hostile neighborhood and Israel is to stop fighting without winning ; to be guilt tripped into not doing what is needed ... They have to defeat these terrorists . (Christians - two & one halve billion ---- Muslims - one billion six hundred million ----- Jews , only 16 or 17 million (that's world wide with these three religions) There is NO reason to hate Jews ...
Mate. Stop.
Thank you.
Come now 75 millions people can be wrong with their world views
If one considers the "history" of "world views", they have been 100% wrong 100% of the time...
until fairly recently...now there is a small minority, that manages to get some
things right, some of the time. As such, this is not exactly an encouraging sign
regarding the probable veracity of any particular "worldview".
how did you count 75 million, like Hamas 40000?3/4 are terrorists, but they are Palestinians no doubt
Trump's often foolish, but this man is studiously so.
Cohen surname ... enough said
To quote Trump's Secretary of State REX TILLERSON (executive of EXXON for 40 years): Trump is a f***ing moron."
Well said.
@@jackharle1251 He's a fool, but compared to you he's a genius.
Yes , he is studiously foolish ...
If he likes constant protesting , when oh when do students study !
Dr Loury, glad you're doing well and that you're back in the proverbial saddle again! Welcome back!
Now as for your take on Israeli actions in Gaza, I as a Hindu American, would highly recommend you bring Dr Einat Wilf to your show. I listened to her interview with Michael Shermer, and she sheds light on the history and the framing of the current conflict in a way that would be very useful to people situated similar to you-- people who are friends of Jews and of Israel, but are shocked into silence or wondering about Israel's actions. Dr Wilf has been a Labour Party MP in Israel, so she comes from a part of politics that is no friend of Nitanyahu. I quote her here:
"So even now you have several European countries recognizing Palestine, and, immediately, they said, 'but Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinians.'
This is a crazy, classic Westplaining, because the Palestinians are like, 'it absolutely does! Yay October 7!' but it would be inconvenient for countries like Norway or Ireland or Spain to admit that they're recognizing Palestine and that Palestinians very much support Hamas. So they say we're recognizing Palestine and Hamas doesn't represent Palestinians.
This tendency to Westplain over what Palestinians are clearly saying is at the source of so much of the lies we tell ourselves. And for me, the main message is that we should give them the respect of taking them at their word."
As for Josh Cohen, he could learn a thing or two by listening to Dr Wilf as well. But after listening to him talk, I doubt that he is actually open to considerations espoused by Dr Wilf and others. He will instead continue to "Westplain".
He missed the point that its not only that the elites, journalist, etc. thumbed their nose at anyone that doesn't subscribe to their world view. It's that the govt put their thumb on the scale in their favor and then had the pendulous nuts to say that, we lowly plebs deserve our lot in life.
That he says "34 felonies" shows how well propaganda works for someone who has no intellectual interest in the case. He surely can't specify what the crimes are and that they are felonies, based on interpretations of one law and a prior "other crime" that never was prosecuted. Good grief, and I hate the Dotard.
Even Google can’t list the felonies !
Dotard Donald Trump is becoming mre delusional by the day. He rants and rants at his rallies ALL ABOUT HIMSELF.
@homewall: What does your hating Biden have to do with this?
But WHY did “inflation run high’? Why did gas prices climb so high when we are currently producing more oil than anyone ever has?? And why did food prices climb so high and stay there after COVID supply chain interruptions abated? Now tell me why all of those companies are currently making record-breaking profits??
When you have a "fiat currency" whose value in terms of what it can purchase
is constantly decreasing ( since 1939 ) what significance does "record breaking" have?
It may be a normal business reaction to rising inflation. They have to increase their price to account for the lower value of $1. Do they increase by the exact percentage amount of inflation? Of course not. A business will increase their prices as much as possible until competition brings them in line with the minimum they can charge and still remain a viable business. That can take a long time to shake out depending on how competitive (or noncompetitive) their market is.
First rule of business is what to charge for the service or product provided.
Answer: as much as possible for as long as the market allows.
More J magic tricks - la la kabbalah
What company is inflating the price of gold to achieve "record profits"? One Troy ounce of pure gold today is exactly the same as it was 200 yrs ago -- but the dollar is worth less every day .... Very close to 50% increase in price since the end of January 2020. That's entirely based on how much value the dollar has lost!
@@anguscattle580 Wrong! If you want examples look at the grocery industry and oil industry. Corporate america took advantage of the pandemics to gouge American citizens. They are taking in record breaking profits and buying back stock or giving shareholders large dividends. We’re talking profit margins here, not increasing costs or deflation of the dollar.
Love the strong TDS
Should be easy to determine how often prosecutions like this happen: never. Esp to politicians. And if he really cared about that as a position, he could look it up.
It sounds like the quest doesn't have any idea about the trial details. His opinión is his own,it's a free country.
That seems to be the rumor...but it might not hold up under scrutiny.
Yes I can tell you companies are very reluctant to lower prices. In the 1970’s Nixon set price controls to lower inflation. Manufacturers were caught off guard with low prices. As a young brand manager i learned that you keep list prices high and lower shelf price with promotions. Of course others are price gouging especially food manufacturers and oil companies. Prices coming down is deflation, an unfamiliar concept.
My dear dear gentlemen!, I respect for you both. I love and am inspired by Glenn. But are you hard of hearing? We have negotiated with the Palestinians several times over many years. They do not want a two state solution. They want a NO JEWS solution. Period. They say it over and over. Why don't you believe them? Speaking as a centrist, Bible-believing Israeli, I want the best for us and for them, but they are not willing to live with us. It's a complicated situation, and when I speak with other Israelis on the street, we agree that only God has a solution, and we don't know what it is.
The real victim is the justice system and by extension all of us....
Bullshit Josh!
Is Josh supposed to be smart? Glenn keeps breaking his brain.
Basically it was an NDA
But the NDA wasn't a business expense.
They were BS charges, but "Basically it was an NDA" illuminates nothing.
@@gandydancer9710 OK. Misdemeanor. Except time to bring charges expired. The Outlaw Donald Trump 2024
17:53 He basically won in SC because the DNC wanted him as their candidate and other viable candidates (Klobuchar and Buttigieg ) dropped out and Endorsed Biden the day before that vote.
Wait, I thought the SC primary was Saturday, Steyer, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar dropped out Sunday and Monday, and then there was Super Tuesday.
"This is the prosecutors bread and butter." .... Really? then why would the prosecution have to concoct a chage and level 'Feleony' that has never existed before..... no one has ever been convicted or even charged with such a thing, not just a president....but no one before. . .. this person has no idea and assumes it 's Bread and Butter..... This is the real problem: smart people throughout the USA who are heads down on many many issues in their life, still assume the ABC/NBC/CBS/NPR layers of their society have their backs...and if it were an issue, they would have brought it to their attention, and as they have not ... SO ITS NOT. They do not understand or have recognition of the Aggitation Propoganda they are exposed to.......it's so sad
Does anyone know if glen has ever talked about rfk jr?
We should ask Glenn to ahve RFK JR. on the show!!! He interviewed CORNEL WEST about his campaign for president
The overestimation of criticism is a feature not a bug of the political atmosphere. The truth is that many of the positions that do not tow the mainstream positions of our day are broadly popular but are viciously criticized in the halls of academia to the extent of blackballing. The political climate is changing at a rapid pace and things that could not be said 10 years ago are becoming normalized but the threat of cancellation resists the full expression of the changes that are coming
* toe (the line of). You don't, anyway, "tow positions".
I love the Glenn show. This one is not my favorite, more monologuing than transaction IMO
Should have asked him what was the crime? Paying hush money is NOT a crime. 34 counts? Each are book keeping entries.
People ought to know what the alleged crime was.
Hiding information from voters that could have the changed the election outcome is a crime. 5% of Trump voters say they would have changed their vote if they knew about the Stormy Daniels allegations especially since they were still trying to get over Access Hollywood “grab em by the pussy” tape. It’s like Joe Biden paying someone to suppress Hunter’s laptop till after the election.
Youre a good guy, sir. A good man you are Glenn Loury.
This is the first time I heard about you. The google algorithm has taken over
I asked a friend whom I respect not about the war but I asked about how he felt because it was more important for me to understand how he felt- he is a zionist.
He said, Judaism is zionism and I responded , “hmm”. I am against the killing of innocent civilians on both sides.
His answer told me about the situation. I asked him how did he feel about the killings. He said of course he felt bad. I knew the killing took a toll on me more than him. Now I know he is a good guy.
I processed it and I understood now that they are in a mindset of someone going through the pains of war in which he will grapple with as an individual. Much like the Europeans in WWII. The Vietnamese in the 60s and 70s
So, I didnt worry about proportions.
The I told him, I have always made it a strong point that the Jewish community is not Israel. He understood how i was drawing a distinction because I said that I’ll make it a point that your community will feel safe and I understood when people are at a “state” of war it cant be seen as being able to hold on to a stance. That they work through trauma on both sides.
Then I said that as long as Israel continues to fight in this way they will be in danger of losing Israel.
I said it from the point of having identified with the warfare because my background was in warfare and guerilla warfare and its nuances that no one can grasp. I made it very clear to him.
He’s a great guy. You have to understand that judaism is so complicated that eve the most opinionated have very little understanding of the Torah. That is evident by the existence of rabbis. If you’re catholic then you know that priests understand it more than yourself
In this conflict, people mingle the political with spiritual understanding and that is not reality.
When people are in a war state you have to let them work those things out but you shouldnt hold back what you feel they should know.
Just because I am antiwar doesnt mean i partake in a war I didnt declare. Thats their war. I am not fighting it. My activities are about humanitarian assistance because that is all there is. The two sides fighting are merely the backdrop in my efforts for the Palestinians. If you have seen war then you will understand
What about 2016& 2017 when Obama & his crew had meeting in Whitehouse,to under mind Trump about Russia BS...
Mr. Loury you said uncomfortably close to a genocide.
The fact that Blue Team might actually lose to a convicted felon this year...shouldn't that be speaking more to just how repulsive so many people find them, and shouldn't that be a cause for self-reflection on the part of Blue Team?
Are there just some people who create angst, or who are able to create angst, over any situation? Or, is it just that people are more or less comfortable with different levels of confrontation?
Does confrontation cause you angst?
@@gandydancer9710 Very much so. Physical harm is a possible result of confrontation. At my age I don't heal as well as I used to.
@@glennmitchell9107 With that "clarification" your original question makes even less sense than it appeared to do at first glance.
@@gandydancer9710 That's a bit confrontational, but thanks to the internet, not likely to result in physical harm.
The kind of democracy that Stalin/Mao/Marx espoused
38:33 You have no right to tell parents how to go about rescuing their kidnapped daughters and sons.
There is a place for self-censorship, and that place is when we are talking to people who are trying to rescue their kidnapped daughters and sons.
There's a time for setting nuance aside, and the time for that is when we are talking about military strategy as a lay person who has no ground to stand on when trying to critique military strategists with so many lives on the line.
It's wise that you stayed respectfully silent when you went out to dinner with dworman, and it's wise that you did not start spouting frivolous criticisms when you spoke to a lot of Jews about how Israel should defend itself while it gets attacked by all these other nations.
The time for self-censorship is when we are not sure what to say.
It's wisdom that makes you self-censor at a time when you're not sure what to say. That's what wise people do.
I love prof loury, and I applaud his self censorship on this matter he's kind of wrong about.
The appropriate number of criticisms to fire at Israel right now is zero.
Can't be right about everything. But we can be careful, and that's what dr loury is.
I think the real self-censorship that is happening is when he resists the urge to tell his audience to STOP criticizing Israel.
I can't help suspecting that's what he really wants to say.
He's too smart to be one of these casual critics, pretending like they're hostage rescue experts or national security experts.
As an Australian, when Obama was elected I thought "that's a country that's achieved something over its past." Down here we have a 11% of our Federal Parliament with ... bl background, with 3% in the general population and yet they (or at least a certain section) wanted The Voice (their voice) by Referendum (defeated). Jacinta Price is both Aboriginal and "Liberal Party" (conservative here). JP for Prime Minister imo.
TRUMP 2024
Your friend is a wishy washy guy . SAD
The press is the enemy of the people, and everything is a hoax. SAD.
Glenn I think you have no reason to feel shame at not commenting on the war. It was abundantly clear that you have a nuanced opinion on it but to spend time espousing on your opinion would be an over extention of what you were doing there. It wouldn't have added any value to the conversation you were having at the synagogue. To tag it on at the end, might have fallen more into the virtue signaling trap. On the other hand, the vast majority of Jews hold a balanced opinion like yourself. We are disquieted with the loss of innocent life, but the need to fight back is necessary. I would love for there to be a peaceful two state solution, but you are preaching to the choir. Your opinion would just be a drop in the bucket to the Jewish community. Its nothing that the Jewish community is not already aware of.
Now if the audience for your talk on Jewish-Black relations was the opposite, l a black community, then your opinion would have been highly valuable precisely because I could guarantee that there would have been at least one person in the black audience that had never considered the Jewish side and a significant portion that was missing a great deal of the facts. There's no reason to feel shame because you made the right call. It wasn't the time or place.
Interesting take..I think my and other young black peoples problem was that unsurprisingly growing up in NYC and this country I only understood and was exposed to the Israeli..."Jewish side" (Jews are you and have never been monolith) and many in my generation and younger have learned a great deal more about this conflict and you can see the result of that awakening out in the streets now.
In regard to democracy being a human right, there is only one natural human right, the right to do whatever you can. All other so-called rights are either social contracts between free men or customs imposed on servile men.
There are a few others. Take psychedelics and they will be more obvious to thee.
@@Readabookfoofoo Stop taking psychedelics and you might realize that what you were saying when you were taking them didn't make any sense.
Glenn: "There's nothing wrong with Zionism"
Citation please, Glenn
He just said it. What you want is an explanation...you are the one who
cited him.
josh cohen provides great example of what phumphering really means
When you illegally bribe someone with $34k, but you tell someone else to make the payment to hide it, and then pay that someone back with 34 checks totaling $120,000, which you list as a “legal expense” of your campaign, you have DEFINITELY committed a crime!!
That’s $400k+ for the $134k hush payment!
Clintons used 850K lied under the oath, JFK had a hore house in the WH
One thing I notice about people like Cohen who hate Trump is they never mention specifics. They just name call and talk about him being “undemocratic” and loathsome. Excuse me, that would be many politicians on the Left and Right. Tell us exactly what makes Trump undemocratic. He kept the country open during Covid.
Are you kidding? Take a look at Project 2025!
@@ninadaly7639 Bot
What about Biden’s racism? I expected more pushback on the assertion of Trump’s alleged racism. 9
Glenn, please dig deeper on the details of the recent Trump conviction. Megyn Kelly has had extensive coverage about it wirh attorneys/guests from both sides of the aisle and there is so much more nuance and details about it that MSM will not talk about. I'll admit my partisanship, but in my non-expert opinion after listenjng to hours snd hours of analysis, mostly the Megyn Kelly show, this was a political show trial. If I am anywhere near the truth on this, this has serious ramifications in the trust of our judicial system and the future of tribal politics. This case will almost certainly be overturned on appeal, but not until after the elections, indicating how political this show trial was.
"Uncomfortably close to a genocide". Glenn must address his deliberate use of the word to describe the death, in a war where civilians are used as human shields and civilians kidnap and imprison enemy civilians in their family homes (see 4 hostages freed on Friday), where he uses Hamas's numbers which magically do not include a SINGLE terrorist but are all, or most of them, innocent Gazans. As grim as it is, even if 20,000 "innocent civilians" have been killed, how does this constitute a "genocide" rather than a dirty war or simply a war where the enemy hides and hijacks the population? Twenty years of talks with McWorther and Glenn does not know the meaning of the English word "genocide". He does not mention other wars, past and ongoing where the death toll is 2 to 15 times greater, except in passing, and you would be hard-pressed to find a "memo" or more than 6 minutes of video pieced together attributable to Glenn on non Western or Israeli wars. I know, "Jews" are special, we think they should do better, and we love them TO DEATH. Ignoring that current Israeli polls have put the left, anti-Netanyahu voters, and even anti-war voters in Israel at 30 to 40 percent, consistently for months, is another part of your ignorance and essentializing of the Wandering Jew/Prideful Israeli. Wake up, Glenn. I dare you to do 1 podcast about an ongoing war and genocide not involving Jews or Western soldiers.
It seems neither of you understands the charges. They were not for what Josh implied. It was only one missed paper work not 34 issues.
It was a 34 payment structured fraud!
Jan 6 was a mostly peaceful demonstration
Jan,.6 was BROAADCAST LIVE 00even on FOX. I've been to many protests in my life (on the progressive/LEDT) and have NEVER seen so much ACTUAL VIOLENCE Against POLICE.
I thought the PARK FIVE men were finally found guilty ? Any information on this ?
They were guilty but just like with Adnan Sayed, there was an activist push to get them off and the lib courts folded. 1000% guilty. With confessesions.
The traditions of protest. How cute.
Passed ? Passed what ?
13:37 both of you clearly don't know the details of the case
"Hes never been particularly popular"
You mean mr "81 million bazillion votes? Most all time?"
😂 10/10 severe TDS
I hear lots of personal attacks from this intellectual, but what is he actually so mad about?
I call bullshit!
Glenn is 1000 times smarter than this man.
A whole Lotta nothin , and too many "and, uh...'s" here...źzzzzzzz
I don't like Joshua Cohen . Woke?
Trump, all the way!
Sorry Glenn not your best
It's so funny that a lot of you think you have a vantage point from which to evaluate..
I'm not so impressed with Joshua. Too much TDS and his halting speaking style was quite painful to listen to.
As to the Israel conflict, the underlying issue is that the Palestinians are more interested in ending Israel than creating Palestine. Too many people simply refuse to accept this difficult reality because it's too depressing to acknowledge.
We should prosecute all instances of falsification of business records
Cohen cannot be this ignorant, so I am left to conclude he is at best disingenuous, and at worst, malevolent.
This is a waste time. Almost plain on it's face that the Trump trial represented what Stalin's secret police chief Beria used to boast about going after political enemies "Show me the man. I'll show you the crime." Convoluted charges, a heavily biased judge, ridiculous jury instructions, etc. He repeats 34 felonies....they were 34 entries into a ledger, not 34 assaults with a deadly weapon that Bragg would probably not even charge someone with, especially a migrant. The killer of Laken Riley was let go in New York. Plus why can't we hear Biden's testimony to Hur? Let us make up our own minds if Biden is too addled to stand trial, let alone be President....and NO, the transcript isn't the same....the tapes are much better evidence.
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Sorry Glenn Loury I made it to the 30 min mark and ready to quit. Barack and his wife Micheal. Goodbye.