Ancient Greek temples (and a lot of sheep)
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- The temple we see here is in Patara, in southern Turkey, but there are many like it. For those interested, I have marked its exact location in the location field of the information on this video, although I confess that I have no idea how anyone but me can see this datum.
Before people point it out, may I get in first that the sheep are eating grass only, but other plants as well? Also, yes, it is odd that we can hear so many bells and yet see so few.
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I wonder how many sheep met their ends in front of this temple over the years.
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I could watch hours of "sheep dub" . Make more. Please?
not sure if anyone else has mentioned, but the reason the sheep move between every few mouthfuls is that grass releases a pheremone when cut which most people love the scent of, but to other grass it's a signal to produce toxins. so when a sheep takes a few bites and moves, it's because the grass it ate told the grass it hadn't yet eaten to get really bitter
loss boss some one give this man a medal. My mind is blown
Holy crap is that real?
The smell is indeed a type of distress signal. This has been studied and confirmed. However, the signal is not for other plants, it is for insects. One job of the secreted compounds that give out the smell is to act as an insecticidal against the plant eating insect and the other effect is to attract other insects - parasitic wasps to come to the rescue and lay eggs in the herbivorous insect eating the plant.
I doubt that these secreted compounds can be detected by other plants
Source: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140922145805.htm
@@dorkmax7073 I'm not sure about grasses, but there are findings that suggest plants communicate threats via their roots: www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-22462855 and a paper came out in 2018 that suggests that this happens in corn as well journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0195646 and back in 1990 it was shown that acacia trees 'listen' to ethylene gas as a warning sign that their neighbors are being eaten.
actually we humans have a relatively same behaviour. when someone got stabbed they would initiate the "screaming" process just so the others around them know it's time to run.
No, the bell goes on the dominant ram, the flock's leader so that the rest of the flock can know when the flock's moving and rush after them in panicked fashion.
@@Akkeef07 you seem to be the only one who’s complaining
my favorite pat was the sheep.
i'm welsh.
softcore
the american equivalent would be many women prancing around the playboy mansion eating cheeseburgers
I could listen to you talk to sheep for a fifteen minute video, except anyone would probably run out of things to say around six. Oh well.
I must say I most enjoyed the sheep section. A point about sheep video is in order.
One of MANY things the Turks need to sort out
the water bottles have been moved to the bottom of the list now
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dude, the hell with the turks
I'm sorry for my people's ignorance :(
@@cantutmez8854 That´s a kind of apology pretty much everybody on Earth has reason to make
I'm on a Lindybeige binge.
That's rather fun to say.
A Lindybinge
Lindybinge
There could be several reasons why sheep keep moving on.
I know two things about this but only one of them directly applies to sheep and it's not a reason for individual sheep but rather only one for the entire group.
1) Some plants actually release pheromones into the air when they detect being eaten. These pheromones inform neighboring plants of the same species to protect against being eaten. They would reduce the amount of nutrients in their leaves and replace them with poisonous substances. Though animals have evolved with this over time and basically, they just eat a bit of those plants and move on against the direction of the wind, such that they can eat the leaves of not yet informed plants.
However, I didn't hear this to be the case for sheep. It was some other herd animal and the plants in questions, if I recall correctly, were bushes or trees.
2) As far as efficiency goes, if they eat the entirety of grass in a place, a significantly sized herd of sheep would just erode the lands. Now for a single sheep that shouldn't be a reason to stop feeding where it currently is. But if they had evolved in such a way, that their entire feeding ground is eroded by the time the next generation is born, they would have soon died from starvation.
Interestingly enough, grass eating herds actually can counteract erosion and desertification. The issue is that long, dense grass blocks out light and prevents new grass (or any plant, really) from growing efficiently. And this keeps being the case even if that grass already has died. - It takes a significant amount of time for such a dead plant to rot away and allow for more grass or other plants to effectively take its place.
Thus, if you are a bushel of dense, long grass, you actually prevent your own species from forming. With less dense grass this is less of a problem - there is plenty of room between each blade to put another plant, but for dense versions, by the time the dead grass has rot away, younger grass has died off too, particularly in dry areas with scarce rainy seasons. (Savanna) - Thus it is currently believed, that grass the way it is today could not have evolved without herd animals eating that grass at the same time. It's pretty much made to be eaten. - Though not all of it. Just the top parts.
And the herding animals, in turn, fertilize the soil with what ever falls out rear end.
Sheep must have evolved to basically fulfill their part of that circle.
Though that doesn't really answer why each individual sheep doesn't get the idea once in a while that it might as well exterminate the entire plant while it is at it.
It's likely not a conscious thought process. Just something they are programmed to do.
.... and you say your videos need a script. Look at this post.
The smell is indeed a type of distress signal. This has been studied and confirmed. However, the signal is not for other plants, it is for insects. One job of the secreted compounds that give out the smell is to act as an insecticidal against the plant eating insect and the other effect is to attract other insects - parasitic wasps to come to the rescue and lay eggs in the herbivorous insect eating the plant.
I doubt that these secreted compounds are disliked or unhealthy for sheep.
Source: www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140922145805.htm
The sheep voices were hilarious
dude it is 2019 and yet we have the plastic bottle problem everywhere. never gets better
Half a video about sheep, are you Welsh Lloyd?
He didn´t propose to any of them so i would guess he isn´t Welsh.
It's a Saturday evening and I just spent 5 minutes watching a man talk about, and hold mock conversations with, sheep.
Not any man, LINDYBEIGE!
I just realized there's a lot of Monty Python in Lindybeige , I am ashamed to say it took me 10 or twelve Vids to notice....
It was very considerate of those ancient Greeks to make a temple so that the sheep could worship.
They eat a few mouthfuls and move on because sheep are bloody stupid. Jk, sorry. theory 1, Sheep don't know what is and is not poisonous. If they only eat a bit of anything chances are smaller that they could get sick. Theory 2, sheepies needs a balanced diet, this behavior developed to be sure of that. Theory 3, if this was the most delicious thing you had ever eaten, would you want to possibly obliterate said shrub from the field? Naw man, your gonna eat a bit, let it grow, then come back. Of course, sheep are bloody stupid, so how could anyone even begin to comprehend their rationale?...I feel like I've made a lot of grammatical errors but I'm to lazy to proof read...
Or they eat a few mouthfulls so as not to destroy the plant completely and prevent extinction of a species of plant. I think Darwin will be happy with this one
If you were going to steal some stone from a flight of steps to build something else, which step would you steal? The unfinished facing on the bottom step suggests that were more steps that are now missing.
In my grandfather's village - there is this very known true story it happened once where the whole flock died drowning in the village well... When they found them the well was almost full to the top with sheep... as to why they ended up in the well - i let you speculate, but its a nice example of how sheep function...
I don't think animals think this way. They are selfish things, driven by selfish urges. I think that there are others reasons, such as there being safety in movement.
But the tips are also the least poisonous bit and easiest to digest.
Everywhere you go in Australia you find old beer cans even in a tiny crevice that looked like no one had ever been there a long way down a river in the bush not near any towns on a rock face when there were natural beaches on either side of said rockface I couldn't believe it myself when I saw it.
ha when i die i think it would be nice to be reincarnated as a sheep at that temple. Seems like a pleasant life.
Yes ... animals and grass ...
One thing some people don't know - is that there are military bases with ... a lot of grass ... and rather than have their personnel out there whacking away at it with swing blades ... they allow local animal herders to graze their flocks there - for a price. Gets the grass cut and makes a little money for the base kitty ... which can be used to buy white paint to coat rocks with ... white painted rocks lining walk ways, serving as reminders to "KEEP OFF THE FUCKIN' GRASS!!!!!"
And ... unlike the horse that kicked him a couple of years prior ... at least none of the sheep bit him ...
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I'm really glad I remembered this video, it is so therapeutic.
maybe cuz the herd is constantly moving, so if they stayed on one stop to eat, they would lag behind
mouth full here and then move, keeps with the herd
Anything to get you to watch.
I used to own a pet rabbit and they'd only eat a little then move on too. I read on a geocities website that they only pick the most young, nutritious bits to eat, so they don't waste energy digesting something less nutritious. I don't know if its the same for sheep though.
I imagine their grazing habits coevolved with different types of fauna, since if they did leave a trail of barren soil everywhere they went, their future grazing opportunities would be limited.
LOOK ! 2000 year old plastic water bottle!!
changing the bells would be evil.
schizophrenic sheep? why would you want that?
3:30 Cutest part of a very cute video.
I never saw a tourist dropping a water bottle. The impression I had was that it was mainly the locals.
sheep are picky and Will pick the best looking quality grass first. dairy cows on the other hand
Try to time this for a period during which they are not sacrificing sheep there.
See my video on group selection - part of the Built For The Stoneage series.
The building has an arch so it must have been build in imperial roman times. It is also quite small. I would rather think it’s a grave then a temple.
Who owns these sheep? Why did they let them graze around an Ancient Greek temple?
All hail Zeus and He shall be thanked for blessing us sheep.
I concur.
Why did you think Lloyd is spelt with a double L?
Lovely sheep. Great video.
Oh, and the temple bit was interesting too. But not nearly as heartwarming.
Patara, in Lycia, between Dalaman and Kas.
Got to video 13 of the playlist b4 i had to turn my eye lest it be fixed indefinitely. Thank you again once more for your works.
"I don't eat grass." Had a Sheltie that turned out to be allergic to clover and wool [with other reactions]. Severely limited his career options.
I love sheep. So thank you for this video :-)
i wonder what the seep are thinking when you make the voices.
love the video XD
I have to say, I find your sheep impersonation highly amusing. ;)
this was surprisingly entertaining.
Good lord those sheep are cute...
1:22 that is a big problem we have here indeed. It needs to stop, they're everywhere
Yeah, there are water bottles all around there... That's because, unlike in Britain and Ireland, they can't just stand around with their mouths open to the sky and catch the frequent rain... :)
Seriously though... I have made a couple of month-long trips to Britain and Ireland in the last few years (in the summer both times) and it seemed like it rained a bit every day. Not heavy rain, just a bit of a drizzle. Most definitely not like here in Houston where we had one day where we had 60" (yes, SIXTY INCHES) of rain in some areas around here thanks to Hurricane Harvey. The stereotypes about the Brits, their Wellies, and umbrellas is all true. :)
No the decision to transfer populations was mutual.
In the end the price of giving up some land is worth the peace and stability between the Turks and Greeks.
After WW2 Poland and Ukraine underwent similar population transfers and thought many Poles would like to have old Polish cities like Lwow back under Polish control, but they are not worth the hatred and bloodshed it would rekindle between Poles and Ukrainians. The same is true for Greece and Turkey.
Sadly, the water bottle issue is everywhere that doesn't have someone hired to go around and pick them up. is it any surprise that people who drink disposable water should find the rest of the world equally disposable?
On a brighter note, I have an answer to your question about sheep grazing methods (if you're still checking these ancient comments):
The reason sheep graze for a few seconds on one plant and then move on is due to tannins (yes, the stuff that makes tea bitter). Plants are a lot more responsive than a lot of people give them credit for - and getting nibbled on is obviously not something they enjoy. They respond by releasing a flood of tannins, which cause them to become unpalatable to grazers. Incidentally, they also release a "distress chemical." Plants lack eyes and ears, but they seem to be able to "smell/taste," after a fashion, and when other plants "smell" the distress signal, they also increase tannin production - which is why the sheep more a bit of a distance each time: they, too, smell the signal, and know that the nearby plants won't be worth eating.
Disturbing closing thought: since plants communicate by chemical "odour," and that signal is one of distress, the lovely scent of a newly-cut lawn is actually the chemical "smell-sound" of hundreds of grass plants screaming in agony.
Wh are you injecting all of these thoughts into the sheep's minds? Sheep may not even have thoughts, they're just following instincts! Imagine if some poor chap or lad or bloke, whatever your Brits call men, happened upon this video and became misinformed about sheep?
Perhaps why they don't eat all in one place is because if they ate all the grass in one area, it would take much longer to replenish than if they just ate a little bit from it. I have no idea who the sheep would know that though...
They need to provide recycle bins in those areas for bottles. Not hard, Turkey, geez. What did they expect?
To elaborate, your suggestion is probably correct as well. Not over-grazing a particular area is one of the benefits of sheep having evolved a tendency to constantly find novel plants to have a bite of.
Maybe not efficient, but sustainable. Eating your food source down till it's extinct is not a great survival strategy. And if you're prey it makes sence to be on the move... Easier to run from walking than run from standing around glutting yourself.
What was your primary source of research for finding these locations? You seem to have visited many ruins which are off the beaten path and in a state of neglect.
I expect the reason they eat a bit and move on is that if they eat each plant down to nothing, it wouldn't grow back for them to come back and eat more of it.
@3:47...sheep says, "lookit thaaaaat!"
There are a lot of Turks of Greek descent like in Izmir for example.
Being a Turk is more of a nationalist thing than an ethnic thing.
There are a lot of different ethnics in Turkey who call themselves Turk.
For example Laz and Hemsin(Hemshin) in the northeast or Kurds(most Kurds accept Turkey as their country) in the southeast and Greeks in the west.(those are the biggest groups)
Is this near Mamaris? I was there a few years ago and sailed up the coast (towards Bodrum) with a few friends on our own sailing ship and were quite suprised to find the remnants of a huge stone fort that was probably early ottoman or perhaps earlier. There was no name on it but there were quite a bit of sheep. Im not saying I think this is the same place you were at but I just noticed that the whole region of southern Turkey seems to look pretty similar.
Also animals usually specialize in eating vegetation of a certain length.. The massive varied migrations of animals on the african plains do pick areas clean.. but It is a case of having one species biting off the long stalks when they pass and then after come another species that are specialized for eating short straws and snipping them off at ground level. And they would be ill equipped for eating the long grasses. not having a prehensile tounghe.
Your assumption that it would be more efficient to eat all the grass in one place is wrong. It would take too much work to pick an area clean instead of just dipping down into a lush area.. At a point it get more efficient to take a step or two instead of grazing in place.
Ofcourse it is not a concious calculation... Its just a case of the grass being a bit better.. enough to make it worth moving for.
I feel like he's been adopting the spirit of 420 quite well.
A consideration is that the rumen is a bioreactor and making a random mix of the vegetation is the easiest way to have establish constant conditions for the bacteria.
The sheep don't need to know what they are doing, just a nibble, take 3 steps genetic program will do. Also high poison levels will be avoided this way.
Or that it was underground? like a paving. At 0:11-0:13, the unpolished part takes a large part of the stone, higher than the position of a possible missing step. It would have left a visible unpolished stone at that spot. Erosion has a greater impact on the environment than usually thought. 50cm of erosion in 2500 years is plausible to me.
Yes, and least poisonous also means they are the least bitter and tastiest. Plus, as plants are eaten, chemicals are released that not only tend to be bitter but also include signals that "warn" nearby plants to become more toxic (bitter), which reportedly encourages the herbivores to keep moving. See "Plant defense against herbivory" in wikipedia for a summary.
Here you can find an explanation on why the sheep eat on that pattern /watch?v=bmQGR7PC1fA , if you dont want to see it, its because of this: to prevent desertification and the death of the grass on the land so they can eat on the same area in the future.
I'd assume the sheep only eat a bit hear and there so as to not destroy the land. I you eat all the grass in an area then it takes a long time for it to regrow because you have to wait and hope grass seeds get flown or dragged in.
All the different 'survival' programs (it must be so hard to survive with a fully stocked camera crew following you) all show the same thing. No matter what remote place in this world you find yourself in you will find some human garbage.
The sheep don't need to know that eating the lower, older stems of plants or eating in the same place would be bad for the plants, they just know what tastes best to them, which produces the same result. Brilliant bit of engineering by Mother Nature.
You doing the sheep's voice is so cute! You ought to have a children's TV show - you could tell stories about lambs and calves and such doing baby animal things and finish up with a lesson on how best to hack your best mate's arm off with a seax.
One of the main things about living in the US that I dislike, is that we don't have these kinds of ruins all around. I mean, we have Native American cultures, sure, but the ancient Greek/Roman/Medieval ruins we cannot go to without a costly trip to Europe.
If you change their bell, I imagine they would be horribly confused, and then get used to it within a shockingly short amount of time. You know that experiment where you trick a person into believing a rubber hand is their real hand? Like that.
I know quite a bit about hellenistic archaeology and I don't think that is a temple.....
The ethnic claim to territory is based on majority occupancy, not ruling the territory. The Greeks were the majority population on the Aegean coast of Asia minor from antiquity until the 1920's. .
If the Greeks took parts of Turkey today by force and kept it for long enough you could use the same argument to say the Greeks would have right to it.
I suppose it might not be worth it in reality.
But if you consider evolution- well, the ones that ate all the grass in a region would starve, and thus not have any more lambs. So only the ones that were gentler on their environment survived.
As far as I know, they eat like that because their going for the most nutritious grass with the most protein and minerals. They can always come back and get the rest later if they need to.
Actually it doesn't matter. Most of the so-called Turks in Turkey aren't Turkish... they're greco-iranian Anatolians. Technically they just changed their names and languages.
PPS and the sheep likely also select their favorite tasty plants, when plants are plentiful, and the ones that taste best because they contain the nutrients they need most.
Ah yes I think I have heard about that. I guess the Greeks ought to get the other Europeans on their side and we can take back their land by force from the turkey invaders.
most grasses will still alive as long as the rhizome is still there, which is underground and the part that the grass just breaks off of if you've ever tried to pull weeds
Maybe the sheep have a higher knowledge in regards of what is suitable for them to eat than your own perception of that. Or they just need the exercise...
I'm sure that the sheep only eat a bit of the grass to let it regrow. Of course, evelution takes care of that by making the sheep like tips of the grass the most.
Nah, it will force all it's growth for the time being into it's roots and then it will come back even stronger
do this all the time with plants in my garden
Isnt the grazing behaviour just that if they ate everything, in large herds they would have to leapfrog eachother to find something to eat?
Maybe the sheep like eating the tender tops then move on because they are smart enough to look around. But the big question is: Are they eating the same type grass as the horse or do they eat different type grass?
Could the sheep be only eating a small amount from each location before moving on to another be done for the same reason that rats only eat a small amount from each food source they find.. to safeguard themselves in case a particular food source is poisoned?
I'd agree with the safety in movement. If a prey animal stays in one place too long, it gives predators a chance to sneak up on them.
They like the end grass bits best Ive been told. Easier digestion. Thats why they used to be used on cricket pitches.
I don't know why its so funny that the sheep are casual English people, but it is.
Somehow i imagine a turkish shepherd scratching his head thinking: "what's this bloke doing here filming my sheep?".
Perhaps it's Lloyd. He bought himself a buch of sheep in turkey and will retire there and live happily ever after.
That's what I was thinking, it's an evolutionary advantage to protect ones food source so that it doesn't deplete.
Sadly we need litter pickers because somebody will always drop litter. Tourists will always be tourists.
They only eat a few mouthfuls because if they ate all the way down, the grass wouldn't grow back.
You trimmed your beard! *gasp* Now just a good haircut and you'll look like an actual gentleman.
If I was walking on top of a buffet I would like to try as much of it as possible.