What if the Soviets had joined the Axis in the WW2? A detailed alternate timeline! (Part 1 of 3)
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Imagine World War 2 going a different route. Imagine German and Soviet pact of 1939 being just the beginning. There is no Operation Barbarossa. But a true alliance is formed instead, with Soviets joining the Axis forces. Could they change the tide of the war? What would such a conflict look like? due to the complexity, this is just the first part of a 3-part series.
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Please🙏🙏🙏 make video on india and America vs China nad Pakistan
I'm gonna download it
What if japan was on the allies's side in ww1?
Could Modern South Korea Survive and Win the Korean War??? (1950-1953)
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İmagine living in turkey and sweden in this scenerio
(chuckles)
I'm in danger
Forgot about Switzerland
I think the Swedes would join the Axis at this point - it would be the smart move.
@@Lorddonen Nope they would join Axis
@@darthvader4899 no
The very possibility of the USSR joining the Axis was Churchill's literal worst fear.
It would have been more realistic that England would join Germany because Hitler hated the Russians
@@MG.1900 so that's why they invaded Poland together
Churchills worst nightmare, Stalins wet dream
@Kazumaf but Hitler did, he was a Marxist, a racist Marxist but a Marxist none the less
Hitler: "In die russischen Städte gehen wir nicht hinein, sie müssen vollständig ersterben"
Hitler: "We don't go into the Russian cities, they have to die completely"
The US would have joined immediately if Russia and Germany united. A massive part of both American and British Grand strategy is to keep Russia and Germany divided
and probably lost on the mark
Yep the US will join right away
That is what the U.S government wanted but the American public still had no interest in fighting a large foreign war.
@@cathalmurphy4584 true but if they'd united it would have been too important to stay out (in my opinion). Central to US strategy even today is to prevent a Eurasian hegemon that can challenge US economically and militarily, especially in regards to controlling the sea. Very similar to the British Empire's interests. UK and USA 90% of the time share the same geopolitical interests. Control the sea. Prevent hegemons
Germany and Russia uniting would surely terrify the US government, but how could they declare war without infuriating the US public?
Was anyone else slightly bugged by the inconsistencies in the maps?
For example, these two islands of Corsica and Sardinia west of Italy should be colored red (Axis)
yes
Yeah the baltic states was wrongly marked a few times that sucks...
Also yugoslavia stopped de facto existing in 41', being split between croatia and serbia, baltic states were occupied by the ussr.
Romania owned Bessarabia and Japan isn't part of the alliance
Turkey getting surrounded in all sides by russo-germanic axis powers:
_This is Fine_
Switzerland:
*First Time?*
Und Sverige
@@jeegupopli1871 Ja
@@killian9314 ja
LOL. 😁😁😂😂🤣🤣😋😋
As long as Turkey has a second Ataturk, they'll win for sure
The map is SO wrong. In 1941 Russia had annexed the Baltic states as well as parts of Romania and Finland.
No. This map changes every time you see
Yeah he is right
Ahhhh.... this is a make believe scenario. Why are you trying to use actual history .
He is creating his own history. Look at for what it is, and stop being a history professor.
@@billsmith8605 yeah man your correct
You're sort of wrong, in June 1941 Germans have already started Operation Barbarossa, and has reached Estonia, some parts are wrong but still
I find it implausible for Japan to declare war on the US. In reality, they were pressured towards Indonesian oil, which would here be supplied by the Eurasian block.
Good point. However, a war between the axis-forces and the US would still be very likely due to other reasons. It will probably just not happen due to Pearl Harbour tho.
@@kestrel16c32 Exactly. Because Japan still want to rule China (which is also one of Allies country), either she want to invade SEA or not
The other problem was that they invaded the Philippines which was a direct territory of the U.S. Obviously they could bypass those islands to swamp the rest of the island chains surrounding it, but I can hardly imagine the U.S. or Japanese being fine with having battlefleets having a standing cold war like that.
At the time, Japan wanted to be self sufficient from the west and other powers. Historically the West mistreated the East colonially and economically and due to the lack of resources (oil being a big one) to ever say "no" to them. Japan would not rely on trade from the Eurasian block for long, but as a means to an end because if the Eurasian block ever wanted to effectively "black mail" (for lack of a better term) Japan, all they have to do is stop providing oil and Japan is dead meat and will probably become their puppet similar to China after they made contact with the Dutch and British. As a result, they still need to get resources from somewhere and if anything in this scenario, being provided oil even temporarily just allows Japan to more competently do what it did in real life.
Japan had to secure its own oil and other resource sites if it ever wanted to be a dominant power. If anyone could just cut off so much as 30% of it's access to oil Japan militarily is just finished which is what happened irl except this time it'd be their over reliance on 'allies' followed by complacency instead of the US forcibly depriving them.
The problem is the logistics. There was no practical way of moving Soviet oil in any meaningful amounts from Soviet oil fields to Japan. Most of the Soviet oil production was located in the Caucasus.
I love how the Soviets don't even attempt to invade Afghanistan in the alternate Universe.
Maybe they learnt their lessons somehow imagining the real one.😂😂
@@salmaaktar2547 No, they imagined that Taliban suicide-bombed Aghanistan back to the Medieval Ages.
Taliban dont have oil
@@mosalah8551 Oil wouldn't make them more civilized anyway, they would still prefer to cut heads
@@alkyd85 Same can be said about Saudi Arabia.
Everyone: “the war will be over by Christmas”
Nazi-Soviet military pact: “are you sure about that?”
That was a WW1 expectation, not world war 2
I mean, yeah, but...
Uk: Germany will attack the Soviet Union they will die in the fighting
The Soviet Union has joined the Axis
*UK sweating*
1940 Soviet union sweating.
Uk sovjet union is our last hope.
this timeline.
Quess you have to surrender churchil......
UK: "I didn't expect that reaction, but okay."
@@dennisvisser3910 Nope. Neither the Germans or the Soviets had an answer to the Royal Navy.
Hitler would have stabbed Stalin in the back again.
Italy: Guys! Hey, fellas, listen! Germany just made an agreement with Soviets!
Germany: It's more than agreement. We'll share our technologies with each other, get their resources and army. Here, watch this! They even invaded Iran and made Britain defend in Near East!
Italy: So, we are fine, as long nobody attack American bases.
Japan: Question.
Italy: What is your question, Japan?
Japan: I attacked American base.
Italy: W h a t .
Japan: You told me to.
Italy: How much?
Japan: I did nothing but bombed American bases for three days.
Germany: WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN SENDING YOUR BOMBERS?!!
Well they actually did at the beginning of the war, and this caused the fall of France and Poland.
"Poland was conquered"
US: That's sad, anyway...
Ussr was neutral state at this time and trade with germany. His attempt to join axis failed in november 1940.
it's still crazy to think of how big the british empire is on its own, like one nation holding so many fronts would be unheard of nowadays.
Tech overmatch can do that, if you maintain surprise. We might see it again in our lifetime if one power gets AI before everyone else.
Yup, the british are a dying old man just as they infamously gave this title to the ottoman empire in ww1.
Pretty sure the US could handle that.
Yeah I also think the us could do it and soon China too
@jason200912 how are they a dying old man. What a stupid dumb comment.
“We all know our history”
- Finland’s borders are off; no connection to arctic sea.
If you wanna appear smart and use the semi-colon you should also know 'off' is with two fs
@@ThePussukka yes
I mean, there is so many things wrong in this video that I don't even know where to start.
@@rebalipupu true
That's a freaking weird friendship, or abusive relationship if i might say
This timeline is looking supsiciously like Orwell's three superstate world of 1984...
In 1984, the “three superpowers” don’t exist, INGSOC only controls England and just lies about the rest of the world.
@@rangarolls6018 it isn't confirmed, only hinted
wat
@@lucasterrasemnomezuado3785 It is never actually hinted that ingsoc only controls the UK though.
What a crazy Timeline! I can't even imagine what it would be living in it
Funnily enough, at the signing of the pact of steel Stalin wanted to go, but wasn’t invited
You know it’s interesting to look at a possible alliance between Germany and Russia because even Hitler hated the communists and the Soviet Union, many in the high command still saw the practicalities in aligning with the Soviets because for one the soviets after the invasion of Poland still traded with Germany (until Barbarossa) which gave the Germans critical supplies and many many of their foreign policy advisors thought that they could join together and gut the British empire.
What a beautiful team we should have been friends from the start 🇩🇪 🤝 🇷🇺
Just so you know, that flag on the right was used by russian collaborators, including SS. They fought for reich against soviets.
They did though. Then Hitler decided instead of keeping an alliance he just started steam rolling them.
Honestly if Hitler made 2 or 3 less dumb moves the whole war probably could have ended very differently.
3:11 the negotiations were short.
Me: Mom I want to get Hearts of Iron 4.
Mom: We have Hearts of Iron 4 at home.
(Hearts of Iron 4 at home be like)
Next up: What if German & the Allies teamed up and fought the Soviets?
Or how about: What if the whole world teamed up against the USA during World War 2?
Or what if Japan attacked the Soviets with Germany instead of Pearl Harbor in 1941?
The third option was possible but since Japan focus on China and other southeast Asia countries. the USSR soldiers near Japan fighted the germans bc they know that japan won't attack USSR
And for me Japan has no Use of being an Axis Power because it didn't help Germany to fight soviet union instead invading other countries
The second one is USA would be defeated really easily. With the support of USSR Germany Britain France and many more USA wouldn't stand a chance. In fact Germany alone could defeat USA.
THIS IS GONNA BE AN AWESOME SERIES!
You need to do more of these. Amazing.
Be who befriended the whole axis faction cuz I was scared of Germany in hoi4: yep, i wonder what would happen
I don’t think the US would have lost the Battle if Midway because in the real battle they were outnumbered too.
It wasn’t about the numbers it was the fact that the US had cracked the Japanese code and so they knew the Japanese were coming and surprised them. I think Midway would have gone down pretty much exactly how it went down in our timeline
Impossible. There was a meeting in Nov 1940 between Molotov and von Ribbentrop in Berlin to try and bring the Soviets into the Axis. Their territorial demands were completely unacceptable though. They wanted the Turkish straits, a joint attack on Turkey and another go at Finland just to name a few. The Germans wanted the Soviets to drive into the Persian Gulf but the Soviets wanted territory in Europe. When the Soviets occupied North Bucovina, inching ever closer to the Ploesti Oilfields in Romania, that was it for Germany. The Germans launched Barbarossa. It was a preemptive attack that had to be made. There are too way many problems with this hypothetical timeline. As we now know defeating the Soviet Union was never a possibility.
@user-wj6dt5bq3w All too true. Sadly, history is written to suit those people in power and is totally subjective. What's annoying to me and to many others I'm sure is that too many people believe themselves to be history experts that really aren't. The more controversial the historical period is the more distorted the narrative is. Some periods are just full of lies by ommission and/or just deliberate outright falsehoods.
Agree with pretty much everything except the US losing midway. The US knew what it was facing in the pacific and national pride wouldn’t allow them another loss there. Britain wasn’t lacking ships to defend itself moving a Yorktown over there makes no sense. What’s more likely to happen is the British Indian Ocean expeditions don’t happen.
You think American soilders were more motivated than the Japanese.the Japanese faught till the last soilder at every landing the USA made.i dont think USA soilders would be able to defeat a well suplied japanesse army
@@016.kazinakibafjal2 I didn’t say that. The national pride thing was about the government not wanting to be embarrassed again so they wouldn’t pull their navy away and put it in Europe
What started WW2? The joint invasion from Germany and URSS, URSS was AXIS on the beginning of the war they invaded more than 10 nations with the Germany, it was an agreement made on the non-aggression pact they made. In matter of fact check what the URSS was doing(before they "joined" the war) while Hitler was conquering Europe.
Next video: If Germany joins allies and Ussr joins axis
Why would the US send less ship's to the Pacific in this scenario? Additional ships in the Atlantic is useless if the Soviets are involved as they are a largely land based nation. I find that analysis very poorly founded. The US would focus even more on the Pacific to secure a trade route through Indonesia to the middle east.
I feel like the British would blow the Suez before they lost it
I also heard that Hitler offered the Soviets India when Britain was defeated in exchange for the Soviets dropping their demands in Eastern Europe and the Middle East (I knew of Eastern Europe but not the Middle East). I also didn't know that Japan would have to give South Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, Sakhalin I understand but why the Kuril Islands?
Also I think Japan wouldn't attack Pearl Harbor because wouldn't Japan get the supplies that they need from the Soviets making the war in the Pacific unnecessary?
what you mean like Germany and Russia were at the start of the war. you could do a video if Britain had agreed to Germany and allied itself which Hitler did try and do but was turned down straight away.
german : power
german+soviet : unlimited power
“What if” well they kinda did but it didn’t work out well with two paranoid dictators.
They did team up on Poland but they weren't both paranoid. Stalin was way to trusting of Hitler and believed he would abide by their non aggression pact. Hitler viewed communist slavs in the same way he viewed Jews. He always planned on going to war with Russia. It was part of his master plan and his ultimate downfall.
@@Jemuzu80 They split up whole Europe. That is bit more than just Poland.
Stalin wanted to partition Turkey with Hitler, like Poland. Turkey would be toast in this timeline.
Georgia the state vs Georgia the country I’ll never quit
Georgia the state would destroy Georgia the country.
There's no reason for a comparison between the two. It's not even a fight.
One thing that might be wrong about this is that in the Real time line Hitler didn’t really want war that badly with Britain he tried a lot to get them to just surrender so the deployment of troops against Britain’s main area would be slowed
Alternate universe Steiner was never pressured into saving Germany and just sipped tea in Berlin
The Italian navy with that oil coming from the U.S.S.R. would've also given the Italians a fighting chance. Their navy had radar issues and some dated factors to them, but were otherwise great ships
Cooperation between peer allies is really impossible. In such cases, there's always a risk of betrayal.
The main reason for the war between the Nazis and the Soviets was that Stalin was preparing to annex the Romanian oil fields, which were Germany's only real source of oil. So a peace between the two, where the Germans would allow the Soviets to just take that oil, is very unrealistic, even in such a "What If?" scenario.
Still couldnt imagine the Soviets and thr Germans defeating Britain. They didnt have a navy powerful enough to beat Britian
But they would catch up. They would keep on building and UK would not even be able to repair it's ships
@@danishkfd The Germans tried to match britains production and failed. The soviets didnt have the dockyards to come close
@Вук Тодић the amphibious assault against Britian isn't going to work with the Royal Navy still there. The US and Canada can build anti-submarine ships fast enough to keep the convoys protected and keep supplies flowing. London, the south and east of England would be in ruin, but places like Manchester could be protected enough. It's far enough west that incoming bombers can be detected and intercepted rather easily.
@@patton3rd1
I think all arguments about the relative power of Royal Navy and Krigsmarine should be more considerate of how insanely incompetent RN staff and high command were up until about 1943. The sinking of HMS Royal Oak; the disaster that was PQ-17 convoy; HMS Prince of Wales being yeeted out of existence; general fear of encountering Tirpitz even though the ship itself wasn't even that big of a threat to the navy 20 times larger than German. They even let Germany move two pocket battleships with escort (that were supposed to participate in Land Lease interdiction) through English Channel completely unopposed. For all we know Royal Navy would be finishing their tea in London by the time Germans landed in Dover and Soviets paradropped in Aberdeen.
Yeah, they'd lack both the production ability and logistics to win the war in the long term. By the time the US joined, the British would be well secured and likely using their Imperial territories to supply the US with all the material needed to outproduce the germans and Soviets. By the time 43 comes around the US and British would have wiped out the Luftwaffe and begun destroying german infrastructure. By 44 the allies would have landed in france and begun pushing west. Germany falls by 46 with the help of atomic bombs on Berlin and Dresden and wherever else they are needed. The soviets run out of gas a few years after that. Call it 1950-52 before they fall.
Fuck it, one struggle
the thing is though, russia was actually pretty weak at the time, it didnt even have the means to mobilize its troops en masse for defense without the U.S. sending them more than 10,000 pieces of rail equipment to be able to do so, so in this timeline we wouldnt have done that, which means that the ussr couldnt have mobilized troops to yugoslavia or bulgaria or the middle east at the time without massive assistance from germany and japan and italy to do so. if you take that into account this entire scenario falls to pieces.
You have very good knowledge. The USSR was so weak that it accidentally defeated the strongest army in the world. So don't start by accident.
This might be wrong but are the vehicles in the thumbnail(B-17G,BF 109E-1 and T-34) from warthunder since they look similar atleast in my eyes.
Germany needed conquered lands to prop up its economy. Prior to 1939 the domestic spending was ridiculous compared to income, and the conquered lands were pillaged for resources. At a certain point with this scenario the Germans would have to turn on USSR for the oil and other resources as they couldn't of afforded to pay for it, and USSR wouldn't be giving out the goodies for free.
the allies got this, they just gotta recruit antartica and have the army of penguins join in
Yess the penguins
Skipper we need an army
German x Soviet lend lease would have been a hell of a problem.
I like this but one problem I noticed is that if the soviets and the Germans trusted each other they wouldn't have invaded Finland in the winter war because they thought if a German invasion were to happen they would go through Finland and take Leningrad
The millions of tons of food, supplies, raw materials, 14,000 Tanks, 18,000 aircraft, 400,000 jeeps and support vehicles do not get sent. The Artillery, 18,000 tank hulls for the t34 which is a US design, the bombs, cash and more do not get sent. IN fact it all goes against you and Germany.
It would have taken longer, but in the end the US/Britain would have won out. All of that would have been sent right to Britain and the US Navy still would have destroyed Japan. Then the entire army turns on the Soviet and German alliance.
Then the Axis powers would have easily won.
Maybe held control of most of Europe, but they still wouldn't control Britain, and America would be wrecking shop on anyone they came across by the late 40's due to their industrial complex being greater than everyone.
How identify people that dont know what war logistics means:
¨BUT NUKES....¨
The Soviets built their first nuclear weapon in 1949. By that point the U.S. had over 200 nuclear weapons.
And the U.S. regularly employed the use of heavy bombers capable of utilizing such weapons en masse.
And you only need one.
@@alreadyblack3341 To use nukes you need air superiority, as the bombers will not go alone.
and with German technology plus Soviet industry that will not be very easy, plus such an alliance will not be defeated with just one nuke.
As much of a nightmare scenario as this would be for the Brits, its very difficult to see how such an alliance could hold. Yes, a well-oiled Germany could conduct longer, more sustained operations. But Hitler's eyes were toward establishing colonies in the east; no such "colonization" was available in the west. Long-term, this alliance would be illogical on strategic grounds, as the Soviets would get more out of it than the Germans. Stalin could effectively use Hitler as a battering ram against the Western powers, but Germany would effectively be denied an ability to project power eastward.
imagine daddy mustache man and skinny mustache man having a sleepover😢 oh that would have been nice😂
Actually, there was an alliance between Germany and the USSR that was on the table until March 1941 or so. Hitler decided that invading the USSR was a better strategy than an alliance with them.
If USSR joined Hitler, then Finland never would’ve joined the Axis. Finland would’ve stayed with the Allies. However, if USSR didn’t attack Finland, Finland would’ve joined the Axis.
In case somebody missed it: Soviets WERE ALLIED with Axis since Rapallo Treaty, where they allowed Germans to use their military training grounds and were supplying Third Reich with raw materials and agricultural products, then participated in invasion of Poland in 1939 and only in 1941 were kind of handed the notice by Germans.
But again this is not alliance because they did not join to anybody rapallo treaty was ment to strenghten both countries and to increse diplomatic relations because both felt threaten by western powers this did work for some time but it failed once hitler was on the power and he spoke openly about how he will go east and get his living space it is possible that this could grow in military alliance back then but it simply didnt same thing happened with molotov ribbentrop pact which was created so stalin can prepare to invade europe since western allies refused soviet help in 1938 stalin had no choice but to make some kind of non aggresion pact which was ment to keep germany in the war so they can fight with the west bleeding themselfs out until ussr is ready but unfortunately for stalin germany won in a matter of weeks in the west which ment ussr would be very soon on the list
Alternate history is about what if a certain event happen differently.
But some alternate history becomes complete fanfiction fantasy when you create an alternate scenario that directly undermines the the whole basis for why the war happened in the first place.
Saying that Germany and the soviets went to war because "they couldn't agree" shows a literally disregard and complete misunderstanding of anything beyond the map of WW2.
At the end of the day, it's a fun fantasy to contemplate, but nothing more really
Can you make a new video about Algeria please
Just imagine the armament mixes between the two. Panzer IIIs with zis 4 57mm gun, IS 2s with 128mm pak 44, Germans receiving copious amounts of ppsh-s, while the Russians adopting the mg42...
Then comes the B=29 with a A-Bomb in 1945.
this was actually closer to a reality than most people think. The USSR was also an aggressor in the region taking over Eastern European countries like the baltic states and Ukraine. Britain only did not declare way when they invaded poland because he knew the alliance was one of convenience and was hoping hitler would backstab him. England also could not take both thats why Churchill wanted to take on the USSR after Germany was defeated. Stalin even proposed an alliance to hitler where they divide not only europe but Middle East too, but hitler refused. Thank God the alliance never happened.
If the Soviet Union was an aggressor in WW2 because it had occupied Ukraine and the Baltic states then the United Kingdom was just as much an aggressor in WW2 because it had occupied India and Africa.
Imagine Switzerland actually joining the war👁👄👁
I'm crying that this map has a lot of mistakes like Germany having all of baltics before the operation barbarossa
I feel as tho the Japanese probably would not have attacked Pearl Harbor in this timeline. Russia would have set some sights on China and China may have fallen, Russia already had forces in the area for sure.
Japan would have had viable access to resources in future
One consideration for this scenario is that Japan only declared war on the US because of heavy harassment of Japanese supply lines. If the alliance in Europe changes the US's focus away from the pacific, they may never harass the Japanese, or not enough for them to bother declaring war. Russia may also be able to swing the war between Japan and China, possibly leading to a full take over of Asia.
Germany might also take European mainland and fortify it and leave the UK alone until they rebuild. Setting up for a surprise attack sometime in the future and adopt their blitzkriege strategy to a landing on UK.
This is so unlikely it’s like the Bully being friends with the kid he bullies every day!
It would more realistic if japan waits to attack pearl harbor until the second battle of britain happens or at least the axis takes the middle east and egypt
I think if the Soviets joined the Axis maybe the Axis weapons would be the same as the supply of materials to make tanks and planes. and maybe the Soviets will send a lot of defense equipment in the form of planes to Japan for Japanese imperial air force and Japanese tanks will be large
very nice video
greetings from Chile bro
:D
A long running peace between Germany And Russia, specially with Hitler and Stalin in charge were at least delayed preparations for potential conflict. But in this scenario, somehow common interests prevail it could have happened if different leaders had been in charge maybe.
Realy good vid
What if the Soviets had joined the Axis in the WW2? GG man, that's what happens.
this war would probably would be a stalemate
You should check out the current Global War 36 game being played on UA-cam by Panzer King, Fortress Jinx, and Hilltop Pillbox. This exact scenario is happening, although it cannot last forever!
Answer : we'd be living in a far far far more better world.
this is the most blessed timeline
You want to make it even better? Panamerican defense treatyenters action after pearl harbor so take soilders and material from the rest of america
Interesting piece but would never have happened. The Soviet Union was fighting Japan off and on until April 1941, and Hitler's decision to go forward with Barbarossa was likely to try and exploit the western border weakness before the Soviets could shuffle troops back there from Siberia.
Far right and left would crush everything in between
Brazil played a role in WWII. Although Brazilian forces were not much relevant compared to the rest, the strategic position of Brazil was crucial to the allies. What if Brazil had chosen the German side as some political forces in the country claimed to? What if the supply route of south Atlantic was at German’s control instead of the Allies’? What if Germans were allowed to build a V2 base in north Brazil? Does it worth a video?
Never would have happened. This video shows a basic misunderstanding of politics and economics.
The Axis fascist dictatorships were fundamentally anti-communist, because fascism is a form of capitalism that is fundamentally anti-communist.
That is one of the main reasons that capitalists create fascism: to defeat communism during a capitalist economic crisis, to prevent a communist revolution.
The US should still have enough naval assets to hold off the Japanese in this scenario. Europe was mainly a land and air war, the US wouldn't need more ships there if the Royal Navy was still sailing. At Midway American forces were already quite small (compared to the Japanese), it doesn't make sense they would shift those forces to Europe when the more immediate threat (in 1942) was Japan. Also Midway was only fought because the Americans had advance knowledge and chose to attack, if they didn't think they could win they would have let the Japanese take the island
Japan was never a threat to mainland America. www.combinedfleet.com/economic.htm
4 Japans could not keep up to the US. By early 1944 the US navy was larger than Japan ,UK ,USSR and Germany's Navies put together.
What exactly Happens to Mao and Chaing hai sheck (probably spelled his name wrong) in China in this timeline?
Well the British almost bombed the Baku oil fields in 1940, that would have definitely changed the mood in Moscow
USA was by no means self-isolated. There was a lot of secret support and also active fighting in the atlantic way before Pearl Harbor!
1984 German Reich, Soviet Union, Imperial Japan
Idk about the outcome of midway the US was prepped and ready for the Japanese there cause they knew where and when they were coming
I think Franko would be pressured to join if hitler needed Gibraltar
The Molotov Ribbentrop Pact made Russia and Germany allies at the start of WWII. Russia attacked Poland two weeks after Germany and helped Germany win. They were allies from 1939 to 1941.
@LazTheTurtle When two countries act together for a common purpose they are allies. Germany and Russia invaded and defeated Poland to start WWII. That made them allies. Germany signed the Ribbentrop Molotov Pact one week before invading Poland. Germany did not declare war on England. England declared war on Germany two days after the invasion of Poland. Russia invaded Poland two weeks after Germany invaded Poland band helped Germany defat Poland. Nothing to do with declaring warn on England. As far back as 1925 Russia allowed Germany to secretly set up bases deep inside Russia where the Luftwaffe and Tank Forces trained in violation of the Versailles Treaty. That made them allies. The USA and England did not declare themselves allies. They acted together to defeat Germany.
@LazTheTurtlehe said facts, you keep repeating your delusions just ignoring these facts
@user-wj6dt5bq3w @user-wj6dt5bq3w Russia didn't have to join the Axis to invade Poland and help NAZI Germany win. Russia didn't have to join the Axis to round up 22,000 Polish Officers and civilian inteligentsia and murder them in the Katy Forrest. Russia didn't have to join the Axis to invade Finland, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania.
@@PUARockstar What facts? Tell; that to the families of Polish Officers who were murderede in the Katyn Forrest. Russia did the same thing Nazi Germany did for the first two years of WWII. I am not trying to convince you. I want posters to know the truth about Russia.
@user-wj6dt5bq3w It's more evil than the Axis.
The moscow berlin axis is a fun way to play hoi4 and just fuck around (i just suck at the game so i usually just use cheats and fuck around with them)
It is much more likely that fascists would ally with other fellow capitalists AGAINST socialist countries. Indeed, we have seen this multiple times, including post-WW2 US govt support for fascists in Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia and Ukraine.
Biggest crossover
Next vid about GB joining axis?
Soviets and Nazi were allies until Barbarossa...
@LazTheTurtle cope